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Eli is Brad Johnson/Trent Dilfer 2.0

Les in TO : 11/12/2017 1:33 pm
His two Super Bowl runs were mainly the result of sublime defensive play in the postseason, remarkable plays by the likes of nicks Cruz and tyree, some luck with two fumbled punts in SF and a lame Gronkoswki and end of game heroics by Webster mcquarters Tuck Strahan and Osi. He almost blew the 2011 bowl by not reminding Bradshaw to fall down at the one yard line. Just like Johnson Dilfer and Hostettler road on the coat tails of superior supporting casts, so did #10

QBs don't win alone but they are not an equal among 52 players. They touch the ball every offensive play, read defenses, and serve as the on field general. It's the reason they get drafted first overall and paid the big bucks
By that measure Eli's career win loss percentage puts him in Matt hasselbeck and mark Brunell territory . Slightly above average.

How many games over the course of his career has he been dominant start to finish? most of his games are either nail biters or blowout losses. He's maybe been on the winning end of ten easy games over the course of his 13 year career, less than one per season

And that's because his in game play is choppy: he's a top ten all time fumbler and will attempt risky throws rather than try to pick up a few yards with his legs

The Giants made a huge mistake paying him like a franchise QB when the cold hard truth is he is an above average QB who had the good fortune of playing on teams with superior surrounding talent. Even last year Odell and the defense bailed the team out on multiple occasions and it was the letdown of Odell and the D in the playoffs that caused the first round exit.

Life after Eli won't necessarily be doom and gloom. We may in fact win again with a true franchise QB. it actually can't get much worse.

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Wow  
Kyle in NY : 11/12/2017 1:35 pm : link
This should be good
I'm glad you made this post, Les....  
Britt in VA : 11/12/2017 1:37 pm : link
Now there can be no doubt...
No.  
YAJ2112 : 11/12/2017 1:37 pm : link
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BS - with the likes of King and Rudolph at WR  
mfsd : 11/12/2017 1:39 pm : link
Johnson and Dilfer would be 7-1 right now
Holy shit  
BlueHurricane : 11/12/2017 1:40 pm : link
You just won the BBI award for biggest fucking idiot around.

I suggest you watch Eli in Green Bay (twice) and San Fran and tell me he’s fucking Trent Dilfer. Fuck! I can’t even.
this is really, really unfair to Eli  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 11/12/2017 1:40 pm : link
their are a lot of average and mediocre QBs in the Giants past. Eli is not one of them.

.  
Giants_ROK : 11/12/2017 1:40 pm : link
I've gone ahead and copied this post for posterity....  
Britt in VA : 11/12/2017 1:41 pm : link
because Les is going to delete this as he gets called out for being the gigantic moron that he is....

Future BBI'ers deserve to read this one, we can repost this when Eli is getting inducted into Canton.
Lots of misinformation here  
widmerseyebrow : 11/12/2017 1:43 pm : link
woven in with your stupid opinions.
LOL  
SHO'NUFF : 11/12/2017 1:43 pm : link
ROFLMAO
OMG
... and all the other ones I can't think of right now.
Les I have to say  
Larry in Pencilvania : 11/12/2017 1:44 pm : link
I wish you and doomster would just go away together. I don't know which off you is painfully worse. Maybe just go out to lunch
Oh boy  
Sammo85 : 11/12/2017 1:44 pm : link
Major troll thread/post combo by Les.

A very pessimistic view of Eli  
Rjanyg : 11/12/2017 1:44 pm : link
He is not perfect but I would give him much more credit for our Super Bowl seasons than comparing him to Johnson and Dilfer.

Eli has been a great Giant. I do believe he even went to a pro bowl or 2.

Also a classy guy who is a former NFL man of the year.

I am proud to have #10 as my QB.
Your ideas intrigue me  
B in ALB : 11/12/2017 1:45 pm : link
I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Holy shit.
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Britt in VA : 11/12/2017 1:46 pm : link
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Eli
Les in TO : 1/23/2012 6:37 pm : link
will be a hall of famer with a win in the SB. His legacy at least to this stage of his career is a guy who comes up big when the season is on the line and when the game is on the line - he has ice in his veins. He's not always pretty, he has no speed/ability to threaten defenses with running the ball and he makes the odd dangerous throw into double coverage, but he's a winner, plain and simple. This year he impressed me with his leadership, command of the offense and ability to cut his losses on plays without taking stupid risks. He's maturing and hopefully continues this awesome level of play for years to come. We are blessed.

But we'll have to see how his career plays out before entering him into the conversation with Brady, his big brother, Montana, Elway and Marino.


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Rather than respond with words  
mfsd : 11/12/2017 1:48 pm : link
I think this needs to be shared to point out how fucking stupid the OP’s post is:

My favorite part is when you invent  
widmerseyebrow : 11/12/2017 1:48 pm : link
a stat with no objective basis (games played where "dominant" from start to finish), proceed to guess how many of those he's had in his career, and then cap it off by extrapolating your made up stat into "dominant" games per year to hammer home your fictional data in support of your anti-Eli narrative.


Registered 2001. I guess Eric was right in a way. This place has had morons for a long time and now is no different.
This guy  
McNally's_Nuts : 11/12/2017 1:49 pm : link
how should I say this....is a fucking idiot.

RE: .  
widmerseyebrow : 11/12/2017 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13686690 Britt in VA said:
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Eli
Les in TO : 1/23/2012 6:37 pm : link
will be a hall of famer with a win in the SB. His legacy at least to this stage of his career is a guy who comes up big when the season is on the line and when the game is on the line - he has ice in his veins. He's not always pretty, he has no speed/ability to threaten defenses with running the ball and he makes the odd dangerous throw into double coverage, but he's a winner, plain and simple. This year he impressed me with his leadership, command of the offense and ability to cut his losses on plays without taking stupid risks. He's maturing and hopefully continues this awesome level of play for years to come. We are blessed.

But we'll have to see how his career plays out before entering him into the conversation with Brady, his big brother, Montana, Elway and Marino.

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Glorious. So I guess he just forgot his meds.
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McNally's_Nuts : 11/12/2017 1:50 pm : link
In comment 13686690 Britt in VA said:
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Eli
Les in TO : 1/23/2012 6:37 pm : link
will be a hall of famer with a win in the SB. His legacy at least to this stage of his career is a guy who comes up big when the season is on the line and when the game is on the line - he has ice in his veins. He's not always pretty, he has no speed/ability to threaten defenses with running the ball and he makes the odd dangerous throw into double coverage, but he's a winner, plain and simple. This year he impressed me with his leadership, command of the offense and ability to cut his losses on plays without taking stupid risks. He's maturing and hopefully continues this awesome level of play for years to come. We are blessed.

But we'll have to see how his career plays out before entering him into the conversation with Brady, his big brother, Montana, Elway and Marino.

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Les in TO just got Ethered.

Cannot come back from that.
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Britt in VA : 11/12/2017 1:50 pm : link
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peyton
Les in TO : 2/10/2012 4:20 pm : link
in the regular season, eli in the playoffs.

but
Les in TO : 2/10/2012 4:21 pm : link
that's like asking what car is better a bentley or a bugatti


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RE: Rather than respond with words  
YAJ2112 : 11/12/2017 1:50 pm : link
In comment 13686695 mfsd said:
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I think this needs to be shared to point out how fucking stupid the OP’s post is:



Pssh, Dilfer would have pump faked and gotten a TD to Manningham there
C'mon Les  
NYG07 : 11/12/2017 1:50 pm : link
I have been very critical of Manning's play the last couple of years and think the Giants should move on but this is ridiculous.

Manning was brilliant in both Superbowl runs.
Doink!  
trueblueinpw : 11/12/2017 1:51 pm : link
Can we vote to see if this  
McNally's_Nuts : 11/12/2017 1:52 pm : link
thread can be pinned?
.  
Britt in VA : 11/12/2017 1:52 pm : link
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It is true
Les in TO : 1/23/2012 9:07 pm : link
Eli is elite while Romo is a very good QB who has a consistent history of coming up just a wee bit short in big games.


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Lets see now  
njm : 11/12/2017 1:53 pm : link
Super Bowl Stats

Manning 2011 30/40 282 yds 0 int QB rating 103.8
Brady 2011 27/41 266 yds 1 int QB rating 91.1

Manning 2007 19/34 255 yds 1 int QB rating 87.3
Brady 2007 29/48 246 yds 0 int QB rating 82.5

Johnson 18/34 215 yds 0 int QB rating 79.9
Dilfer 12/25 153 yds 0 int.QB rating 80.9
Oy  
Keith : 11/12/2017 1:54 pm : link
vey.
Keep up the good work, Britt.  
Diver_Down : 11/12/2017 2:04 pm : link
Be sure to save these responses by Les as I'm sure he'll delete the thread.
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BrettNYG10 : 11/12/2017 2:04 pm : link
In comment 13686690 Britt in VA said:
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Eli
Les in TO : 1/23/2012 6:37 pm : link
will be a hall of famer with a win in the SB. His legacy at least to this stage of his career is a guy who comes up big when the season is on the line and when the game is on the line - he has ice in his veins. He's not always pretty, he has no speed/ability to threaten defenses with running the ball and he makes the odd dangerous throw into double coverage, but he's a winner, plain and simple. This year he impressed me with his leadership, command of the offense and ability to cut his losses on plays without taking stupid risks. He's maturing and hopefully continues this awesome level of play for years to come. We are blessed.

But we'll have to see how his career plays out before entering him into the conversation with Brady, his big brother, Montana, Elway and Marino.

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lol
Well, there is this stat  
Emil : 11/12/2017 2:06 pm : link
In 2011, Eli's 4,933 passing yards are the 14th most for a single season in NFL history. Of the 13 seasons ranked ahead of Eli's, Brees owns 6 of those seasons, Brady has 1, Stafford 2, Matt Ryan 1, Marino 1, and Peyton 1. Roethlisberger is tied with Brees for the number 11 slot.

That's not a longevity stat. Shows you what Eli is capable of in an offense that has a good pass blocking OL and receiving options. Eli is paying the price for organizational dysfunction.
RE: Well, there is this stat  
Britt in VA : 11/12/2017 2:07 pm : link
In comment 13686726 Emil said:
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In 2011, Eli's 4,933 passing yards are the 14th most for a single season in NFL history. Of the 13 seasons ranked ahead of Eli's, Brees owns 6 of those seasons, Brady has 1, Stafford 2, Matt Ryan 1, Marino 1, and Peyton 1. Roethlisberger is tied with Brees for the number 11 slot.

That's not a longevity stat. Shows you what Eli is capable of in an offense that has a good pass blocking OL and receiving options. Eli is paying the price for organizational dysfunction.


Eli also broke an NFL Record with 14 4th quarter TD passes in a single season, that year, which had previously been held by Johnny Unitas and Peyton Manning (tie).
You are an amazing dipshit Les.  
18E : 11/12/2017 2:10 pm : link
I'd slap you if I met you.
...  
yankees78 : 11/12/2017 2:12 pm : link
This Les thing hates Eli so much, I actually think he is in love with him.
You all  
crick n NC : 11/12/2017 2:14 pm : link
Are getting trolled
RE: You all  
Britt in VA : 11/12/2017 2:16 pm : link
In comment 13686736 crick n NC said:
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Are getting trolled


Yeah, but it is a boring afternoon and I won't pass up an opportunity to call Les a moron.
RE: RE: You all  
crick n NC : 11/12/2017 2:17 pm : link
In comment 13686739 Britt in VA said:
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Are getting trolled



Yeah, but it is a boring afternoon and I won't pass up an opportunity to call Les a moron.


Britt, I didn't mean to diminish your work on this thread, well done.
How long until this is deleted?  
B in ALB : 11/12/2017 2:22 pm : link
What a complete fucking failure.
I’d rather have Eli’s road to the SB..  
Sean : 11/12/2017 2:22 pm : link
than Big Ben’s. That’s for sure.
I’ll give him this  
mfsd : 11/12/2017 2:25 pm : link
Tom Brady is 0-2 all time in Super Bowls against Dilfer, Johnson, and Eli...
RE: Holy shit  
mrvax : 11/12/2017 2:28 pm : link
In comment 13686676 BlueHurricane said:
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You just won the BBI award for biggest fucking idiot around.

I suggest you watch Eli in Green Bay (twice) and San Fran and tell me he’s fucking Trent Dilfer. Fuck! I can’t even.


I agree. Les probably doesn't understand Oline play. Sad.
538: Just Being There Is His Biggest Positive  
oldutican : 11/12/2017 2:30 pm : link
This is a really good analysis of Eli. The stats show he has been mediocre over his career. But...
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Above all, that may be Manning’s greatest skill: just being there. Since he took the starting quarterback job away from Kurt Warner in November 2004, the Giants have not had to worry about the position, allowing the team to devote resources and draft picks to other areas. By comparison, the Giants’ roommates, the Jets, have started 15 quarterbacks in this span. The Cleveland Browns have started 23.

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Think in terms of Brady  
Bluesbreaker : 11/12/2017 2:47 pm : link
Now Brady is a winner but he has a coach that has built a
a Team that has provided Brady with the right tools that
play to his strengths he is a remarkable Defensive mind
that takes players that fits his system .
Eli has beaten them twice on the biggest stage yet we have watched the last 6-7 seasons go down the tube because they
FAILED Miserably in playing to Eli's strengths which were
quite simple . Give him a stout O-line and an above average running game and he will beat any defense in a big game because of his on field intelligence and ability to make
the big throws in the biggest moments .
However long this post is up you have earned the scorn of every fan on this site to take there misery of this season out on you . Peace Bro
What oldutican is saying is:  
Giants_ROK : 11/12/2017 2:54 pm : link
Les...  
GA5 : 11/12/2017 3:06 pm : link
is less!
RE: You are an amazing dipshit Les.  
Larry in Pencilvania : 11/12/2017 3:12 pm : link
In comment 13686732 18E said:
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I'd slap you if I met you.


Bah hah hah....What's up 18e
I would guess....  
Tesla : 11/12/2017 3:13 pm : link
this is roughly how Eli is viewed by a lot of non-Giants fans and the rest of the league. A pretty mediocre QB who had a couple of great runs in the post-season.

Eli is like a real life Rorschasch test - you can look at his career and see what you want to see - either one of the best QB's in the history of the league (supported by his 2 SB's and ranking on all time career QB lists for yards, etc. etc.)....or you can look at his mediocre career rate stats(i.e. yards per attempts, QBR) and INT's, W-L record, and see a thoroughly mediocre QB who's best attribute was his durability wth some clutch performances thrown in (like the 538 article states).

Not that it needs to be said  
Dave in PA : 11/12/2017 3:17 pm : link
But this is a ridiculous claim. Eli Manning, particularly in 2012, played significantly better Han Dilfer it Johnson ever played.
RE: 538: Just Being There Is His Biggest Positive  
widmerseyebrow : 11/12/2017 3:29 pm : link
In comment 13686760 oldutican said:
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This is a really good analysis of Eli. The stats show he has been mediocre over his career. But...


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Above all, that may be Manning’s greatest skill: just being there. Since he took the starting quarterback job away from Kurt Warner in November 2004, the Giants have not had to worry about the position, allowing the team to devote resources and draft picks to other areas. By comparison, the Giants’ roommates, the Jets, have started 15 quarterbacks in this span. The Cleveland Browns have started 23.

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So his value is that he's always starting. And if he's always starting, doesn't that mean, uh, he's pretty good? Certainly we don't believe that QBs in this league keep their jobs if they just stay healthy.
Kinda amusing how you give  
twostepgiants : 11/12/2017 3:38 pm : link
Everyone else credit for late game "heroics" but Eli

And Eli gets blame for A play that never happened, it was Elis fault that Bradshaw ALMOSt didnt go in end zone. Not Bradshaws. Not Coughlins. But Elis. Plus you are just inventing that the Giants woukd have list there somehow since a FG was a guarantee and virtually no clock left.
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