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Rosen, Darnold, or Mayfield

Emil : 11/12/2017 4:10 pm
The Giants have all but telegraphed that a QB is a top consideration in early rounds next April. I think the top 3 qbs are Rosen, Darnold, and Mayfield. And all three had strong performances yesterday.

1. Sam Darnold - I think he is actually the all around best QB of the three, but has more to learn. Love his arm, love his demeanor. Comes from a blue collar background. Best described as having an aw shucks attitude. Who does that sound like? He has started to make better decisions with the football, but still forces the issue when the team needs to make a play. He had great upside, but if the Browns earn the number 1 pick, I bet he stays in school.

2. Josh Rosen - I love this kids arm talent. You watch him and you see elite passing ability. He is putting up great numbers while leading an offense that has very little talent. He is getting better at sensing pressure and manages not to take sacks despite lacking elite athleticism. However, the word continues to be that Rosen is arrogant, may not be personally liked by his teammates, and is described as simply being an ass. Who knows what is true and what isn't, but he is a lightning rod at this point, and do the Giants need any more of those.

3. Baker Mayfield - This kid can just play ball! I've paid more and more attention to him, and he impresses every week. The knock on him is two fold. Is he too short, and is he strictly an off script player? My amateur opinion is no, he can run an offense, probably a version of the west coast, on script, and if the 6'0" Drew Brees can be a hall of Fame player, Mayfield can start in this league. If the Giants are going to go forward with even 80% of the offensive line they currently have, then a mobile but pass first qb is on the list. He does have an alcohol related incident in his past. But he is a proven leader, fiery player, leads by example, and is a winner. Maybe scouts are making too much of his height.

So BBI, who do you want? I can see good arguments for all three. If I'm the Giants, I think the following.

1. Cleveland gets the first pick. And Darnold stays in school. So he won't be an option.

2. Love Rosens talent, but I just can't add his red flags to this team right now. Not after this season.

3. I go with Mayfield (today, could change my mind) height be damned. If you have OBJ, Engram, and a commitment to the run game, then you can easily scheme around him being the height of Brees.

How bout you BBI?


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RE: Does it make a difference?  
Emil : 11/12/2017 6:17 pm : link
In comment 13687366 Joey in VA said:
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If Jerry Reese and his band of obnoxious fuckholes make the picks, they won't be right. Flowers...could be Todd Gurley, Eli Apple could be Laremy Tunsil and Odell the walking distraction could be Zach Martin. Imagine that, imagine that left side of the OL with Todd Gurley running behind it. INstead we have a failure at LT, a me first whiny never won a fucking thing WR and a quitter at CB. Good job Jerry, you're a fucking peach. Meanwhile a 5th round rookie QB making about 400k a year is out playing our $25 million a year QB. Good financial sense.

Did anyone see Linval Joseph today? We have DRC instead, super good idea. So we piss away all that money on a fragile CB who gets suspended and has been a failure every place he's been. We could have paid Linval and spent that money on the OL or LBs but no, we needed a loud mouthed CB who quits on his team and again has never won a thing. This organization sucks from the owner all the way down, who gives a fuck what pick we have?


Joey, you seem more negative than usual. I won't argue about how poorly the team has played, or how little confidence we should have in Reese and company, but I still don't want Tunsil, would take OBJ over an OC every time. Valid point on Gurly over Flowers,but he did come into the league with major injury concerns.

Completely with you on the play of Apple and DRC. We can throw Jenkins in there too.

RE: I don't buy into the red flags re: Rosen  
Phil S : 11/12/2017 6:37 pm : link
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Rosen is not Jewish. His mother isnít and his father is an Atheist. Josh has not identified as Jewish.mode=2&thread=559811&show_all=1#13686964]13686964[/url] Milton said:
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Maybe they're true, maybe they're not, but I have no problem with the comments he has made publicly which have been criticized by others. As for him being unliked by his teammates: he is a rich, Jewish kid on a losing football team in which he is the only star, so it could simply be resentment/bigotry/culture clash. Mike Florio was reporting during Eli's second season with the Giants that he was unliked by his teammates (he was considered "aloof" and Shockey called him a nerd (and he didn't mean it as a compliment)). And Aaron Rodgers was also said to be an arrogant jerk unliked by his teammates. Rich, white, well-educated kids aren't necessarily going to fit snugly into a locker room that is 75% black kids from low-income neighborhoods with underfunded school systems.

I want the QB who wins the talent contest, not the popularity contest.
After watching this game  
Emil : 11/12/2017 6:38 pm : link
Just get me a guy who screams competitor and winner°
Baker Mayfield  
Miami_JintsFan : 11/12/2017 6:45 pm : link
Please.
RE: Danold and Rosen  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 11/12/2017 6:45 pm : link
In comment 13687183 Marty866b said:
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Are the two top rated guys and it isn't even close. Reading the opinions here I wonder if posters actually watch the games ?


Wonder no more, they don't watch them, but they continue to arrogantly spout uninformed opinions.
Will Grier QB WVU  
GoDeep13 : 11/12/2017 6:46 pm : link
I suggest everyone check him out. His should be getting a lot more attention than he is.
RE: RE: Most respected dratniks seem to have Allen well above Mayfield...  
BurberryManning : 11/12/2017 6:48 pm : link
In comment 13687309 Emil said:
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Allen looked excellent last night until injuring his shoulder or throwing arm. Iíve watched probably +90% of Allenís snaps this season and it amazes me to see the lack of talent around him and the toughness that he displays. His playing style resembles a mix of Favre/Romo/Roethlisberger.



I like Allen but have not watched enough of him to have an informed opinion yet. My worry is that Allen is all big arm, and little touch. Love his story though.
Allenís touch is difficult to evaluate but a great point, Emil.

Josh sort of grew into himself just recently and at times he comes across as a superhero just realizing he has a special gift as he fires howotizers to pedestrian wide receivers when he probably should tuck the ball or check down. Building off of that point, you get the feeling that Allen forces some balls because if he waited for clear separation then he would only attempt a few passes each game, thus he takes more risks than he should due to his desire to move the ball and that supreme trust in his arm. Again, you canít really overstate just how poor his supporting talent is.
RE: RE: Danold and Rosen  
Emil : 11/12/2017 6:49 pm : link
In comment 13687708 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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Are the two top rated guys and it isn't even close. Reading the opinions here I wonder if posters actually watch the games ?



Wonder no more, they don't watch them, but they continue to arrogantly spout uninformed opinions.


No doubt top two are Darnold and Rosen
RE: RE: RE: Most respected dratniks seem to have Allen well above Mayfield...  
Emil : 11/12/2017 6:51 pm : link
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Allen looked excellent last night until injuring his shoulder or throwing arm. Iíve watched probably +90% of Allenís snaps this season and it amazes me to see the lack of talent around him and the toughness that he displays. His playing style resembles a mix of Favre/Romo/Roethlisberger.



I like Allen but have not watched enough of him to have an informed opinion yet. My worry is that Allen is all big arm, and little touch. Love his story though.

Allenís touch is difficult to evaluate but a great point, Emil.

Josh sort of grew into himself just recently and at times he comes across as a superhero just realizing he has a special gift as he fires howotizers to pedestrian wide receivers when he probably should tuck the ball or check down. Building off of that point, you get the feeling that Allen forces some balls because if he waited for clear separation then he would only attempt a few passes each game, thus he takes more risks than he should due to his desire to move the ball and that supreme trust in his arm. Again, you canít really overstate just how poor his supporting talent is.


All very true

You have to think this all comes down to the interview.
Who goes where  
old man : 11/12/2017 6:53 pm : link
will depend on the rest of the playing season and Combine, since no one has really stood out, and though he's been good there's Mayfield's height at issue.
Darnold needs to stay in school.
Not a fan of Jackson, but he might be a NFL QB.

I prefer the 'none of the above' answer.
If a trade down is possible go OL.Or else you will David Carr-itis and young QB. Any variety of teams should want our spot to grab a QB, and if a top 5 team, swap out and try to get an OL at 5 and again at 37(or move up from there if possible).

But since our NYFG are the anti-Belichick re: disclosure, it'll be QB or BPA.


Trade the pick  
Glover : 11/12/2017 7:00 pm : link
Yep. Trade it. They should fire Reese tomorrow even if they keep McAdoo the rest of the year. Let the new GM see the talent on the field for the rest of the season.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Most respected dratniks seem to have Allen well above Mayfield...  
BurberryManning : 11/12/2017 7:01 pm : link
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Allen looked excellent last night until injuring his shoulder or throwing arm. Iíve watched probably +90% of Allenís snaps this season and it amazes me to see the lack of talent around him and the toughness that he displays. His playing style resembles a mix of Favre/Romo/Roethlisberger.



I like Allen but have not watched enough of him to have an informed opinion yet. My worry is that Allen is all big arm, and little touch. Love his story though.

Allenís touch is difficult to evaluate but a great point, Emil.

Josh sort of grew into himself just recently and at times he comes across as a superhero just realizing he has a special gift as he fires howotizers to pedestrian wide receivers when he probably should tuck the ball or check down. Building off of that point, you get the feeling that Allen forces some balls because if he waited for clear separation then he would only attempt a few passes each game, thus he takes more risks than he should due to his desire to move the ball and that supreme trust in his arm. Again, you canít really overstate just how poor his supporting talent is.



All very true

You have to think this all comes down to the interview.
Agreed. Interviews along with the Senior Bowl will be big.

Iím a big fan of Allen but Iíll add that I have a lingering question with regards to his intelligence; forgive my cosmopolitan bias but Allenís interviews buttress the ďsmall town farm handĒ label that heís been given, whereas a guy like Rosen was groomed to be an engaging and articulate public personality. Allenís passion for the game is unquestionable but Iíd like to be more sure of his ability to process complex schemes at a high rate. To your point, interviews should shed much more light on this subject.
old man  
Marty866b : 11/12/2017 7:02 pm : link
Have you watched Darnold the last five games or so? If you even watched yesterday's game you would have seen some plays and throws that were jaw dropping. Sam needs some work as all rookie quarterbacks do but his physical ability is better then most quarterbacks in the NFL.
RE: RE: I don't buy into the red flags re: Rosen  
Milton : 11/12/2017 7:09 pm : link
In comment Phil S said:
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Rosen is not Jewish. His mother isnít and his father is an Atheist.
I'm guessing his teammates view him as Jewish.
Good chance we get any QB we want in the draft  
Blue21 : 11/12/2017 7:10 pm : link
judging by how they played today
A QB will be in play  
AcesUp : 11/12/2017 7:11 pm : link
I can't remember the last time that there were this many names in play for the first round at this point in the season, a few will rise to the top. I just hope that we have the right people in place to evaluate them.
Which guy wil  
SethFromAstoria : 11/12/2017 7:11 pm : link
Be best after watching the QB for 3 or 4 years?
We will have our pick  
Sammo85 : 11/12/2017 7:13 pm : link
2018 will be Eliís farewell tour as a Giant.
RE: Does it make a difference?  
WillVAB : 11/12/2017 7:16 pm : link
In comment 13687366 Joey in VA said:
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If Jerry Reese and his band of obnoxious fuckholes make the picks, they won't be right. Flowers...could be Todd Gurley, Eli Apple could be Laremy Tunsil and Odell the walking distraction could be Zach Martin. Imagine that, imagine that left side of the OL with Todd Gurley running behind it. INstead we have a failure at LT, a me first whiny never won a fucking thing WR and a quitter at CB. Good job Jerry, you're a fucking peach. Meanwhile a 5th round rookie QB making about 400k a year is out playing our $25 million a year QB. Good financial sense.

Did anyone see Linval Joseph today? We have DRC instead, super good idea. So we piss away all that money on a fragile CB who gets suspended and has been a failure every place he's been. We could have paid Linval and spent that money on the OL or LBs but no, we needed a loud mouthed CB who quits on his team and again has never won a thing. This organization sucks from the owner all the way down, who gives a fuck what pick we have?


And Pugh the year before Beckham couldíve been Deandre Hopkins.
Rosen  
David B. : 11/12/2017 7:23 pm : link
Rosen, Rosen, Rosen.
RE: We will have our pick  
SethFromAstoria : 11/12/2017 7:29 pm : link
In comment 13688011 Sammo85 said:
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2018 will be Eliís farewell tour as a Giant.


There is zero chance of this happening. Mara isn't like fans. He knows what Eli represents. He's playing as long as he wants.
RE: RE: We will have our pick  
Sean : 11/12/2017 7:31 pm : link
In comment 13688164 SethFromAstoria said:
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2018 will be Eliís farewell tour as a Giant.



There is zero chance of this happening. Mara isn't like fans. He knows what Eli represents. He's playing as long as he wants.


I love Eli, but this is a ridiculous take.
RE: Trade the pick  
Sean : 11/12/2017 7:32 pm : link
In comment 13687877 Glover said:
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Yep. Trade it. They should fire Reese tomorrow even if they keep McAdoo the rest of the year. Let the new GM see the talent on the field for the rest of the season.


I love the Ďtrade the pick crowdí. Iím sure the Browns love those extra picks they got for Wentz.
None of them are going to be an top NFL QB  
Greg from LI : 11/12/2017 7:38 pm : link
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RE: Will Grier QB WVU  
ajr2456 : 11/12/2017 8:02 pm : link
In comment 13687712 GoDeep13 said:
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I suggest everyone check him out. His should be getting a lot more attention than he is.


Love Grier as a prospect but reports are heís staying
RE: RE: Jackson is legit  
ajr2456 : 11/12/2017 8:02 pm : link
In comment 13687295 Emil said:
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Rosen the best pocket passer. Allen probably the biggest upside. Mayfield is not a high first round QB.



Not high on Jackson. He is run first qb through and through. I'm not confident his game translates. Great athlete who happens to play qb.


Jackson is not a run first Qb.
Darnold is a Stafford clone to me..  
Modus Operandi : 11/12/2017 8:06 pm : link
Poised. Fearless. Big time arm and super accurate. Will be best in a downfield passing attack.

That's the guy I want.
I'd be inclined to  
Photoguy : 11/12/2017 8:18 pm : link
take the best player (other than TE) on the board. We need help everywhere.
If the Giants draft a qb first they will be doomed for years to come.  
SterlingArcher : 11/12/2017 8:19 pm : link
If the draft a qb in the 1st round you will be screaming to put him in when Eli throws his first INT! There are a lot of holes that need to be filled starting with the oline.
RE: If the Giants draft a qb first they will be doomed for years to come.  
ajr2456 : 11/12/2017 8:34 pm : link
In comment 13688521 SterlingArcher said:
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If the draft a qb in the 1st round you will be screaming to put him in when Eli throws his first INT! There are a lot of holes that need to be filled starting with the oline.


Doomed for year by drafting their future QB? Eliís isnít playing 10 more years you know that right?
RE: If the Giants draft a qb first they will be doomed for years to come.  
Modus Operandi : 11/12/2017 8:39 pm : link
In comment 13688521 SterlingArcher said:
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If the draft a qb in the 1st round you will be screaming to put him in when Eli throws his first INT! There are a lot of holes that need to be filled starting with the oline.


Dropping morsels like this is how you get ants.
Webb  
PatersonPlank : 11/12/2017 8:40 pm : link
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Allen  
Carson53 : 11/12/2017 8:47 pm : link
Let him sit for a year, might need to develop a bit more
than a Darnold or Rosen, could have a higher ceiling.
Allen doesn't even have any receivers this year!
Darnold or Rosen might have a higher floor.
Eli is going to cost 45 mill. against the cap, the next
two years, most likely won't be a pretty divorce.
RE: trade down  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 11/12/2017 8:48 pm : link
In comment 13686877 yankeeslover said:
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pick up extra picks and take Lamar Jackson. I think he has a place in this league.


I agree with trading down. They have so many needs. You can start with defensive backs who actually want to play tackle football. You have linebackers who are mediocre at best. And finally on defense, you have d-linemen who never get near the quarterback. And you very well might need 5 new starters on the O-line.
RE: RE: RE: Jackson is legit  
jeff57 : 11/12/2017 9:03 pm : link
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Rosen the best pocket passer. Allen probably the biggest upside. Mayfield is not a high first round QB.



Not high on Jackson. He is run first qb through and through. I'm not confident his game translates. Great athlete who happens to play qb.



Jackson is not a run first Qb.


Yeah. He's only thrown for 3000 yards and 21 TDs.
Two of the best QBs in the league: Rivers and Rodgers...  
Milton : 11/12/2017 9:34 pm : link
Spent the first two and three years of their careers on the bench and they were both able to hit the ground running because of it.

I would be very happy to see the Giants draft a QB with their first pick and then have him sit for not just one year, but two years, while Eli plays out his contract. There is a lot of talent on the Giants despite what we're now witnessing. Last year wasn't a mirage and OBJ didn't suffer a career-altering injury, just a season-ending one. And for all the talk of Eli being done, check out last year's playoff game vs the Packers. With the right pieces surrounding him, Eli is still a winning QB.
RE: Two of the best QBs in the league: Rivers and Rodgers...  
Carson53 : 11/13/2017 3:24 pm : link
In comment 13688803 Milton said:
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Spent the first two and three years of their careers on the bench and they were both able to hit the ground running because of it.

I would be very happy to see the Giants draft a QB with their first pick and then have him sit for not just one year, but two years, while Eli plays out his contract. There is a lot of talent on the Giants despite what we're now witnessing. Last year wasn't a mirage and OBJ didn't suffer a career-altering injury, just a season-ending one. And for all the talk of Eli being done, check out last year's playoff game vs the Packers. With the right pieces surrounding him, Eli is still a winning QB.
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So Milton, you don't mind the QB being a 45 mill. cap hit the next two years? He is not part of the solution, if folks can't see that....
I would say one year max.
I stated that above when discussing drafting a QB,
with a top 3 pick.
Do you think another organization would take him on as a
45 mill. cap hit the next two years as well? He has a
no trade clause I believe, let's say hypothetically he waived that for this discussion....another organization
would ask him to re-structure his contract, before taking him on, would be my guess in any trade for him.
First, let them move on from the GM and HC...
QBís arenít sitting for 1-2 years..  
Sean : 11/13/2017 3:26 pm : link
if that happens, they arenít ready. NFL in 2017 is different. Eli took over for Kurt Warner with a winning record.
RE: QBís arenít sitting for 1-2 years..  
Carson53 : 11/13/2017 3:51 pm : link
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if that happens, they arenít ready. NFL in 2017 is different. Eli took over for Kurt Warner with a winning record.
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Well, Rodgers and Rivers did, yes it can happen,
depends on the situation, every situation is different.
If you have absolutely nothing or garbage, obviously a young
QB drafted early will play right away.
Even a guy like Wentz for example, the Vikings lost
their starting QB in Bridgewater, the Eagles traded Bradford. Otherwise at the very least, Bradford would have
at least started the season with Philly.
Eli is not garbage, but not part
of the solution, that is not a knock, that's reality.
RE: If the Giants draft a qb first they will be doomed for years to come.  
Rong5611 : 11/13/2017 4:59 pm : link
Disagree. If you are at the top of the draft and can get one, you do it. Especially when your current QB is 36 years old.


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If the draft a qb in the 1st round you will be screaming to put him in when Eli throws his first INT! There are a lot of holes that need to be filled starting with the oline.
RE: Trade the pick  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/13/2017 7:30 pm : link
In comment 13687877 Glover said:
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Yep. Trade it. They should fire Reese tomorrow even if they keep McAdoo the rest of the year. Let the new GM see the talent on the field for the rest of the season.

Unless you have your heart set on Gettleman or Dorsey, they likely won't get to hire the new GM right now even if they fire Reese immediately because the candidates that are with other teams may not be allowed out of their contracts or allowed to even interview until after the season.
RE: RE: We will have our pick  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/13/2017 7:30 pm : link
In comment 13688164 SethFromAstoria said:
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2018 will be Eliís farewell tour as a Giant.



There is zero chance of this happening. Mara isn't like fans. He knows what Eli represents. He's playing as long as he wants.

Aw, that's cute. Not accurate, but cute.
"He plays as long as he wants"  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/13/2017 7:33 pm : link
is a terrible way to run a franchise. Plus it's really easy to say that, and a lot harder to deal with having to actually watch it. You'd change your opinion real quick once he starts playing like bad Kerry Collins or some of the crap that passes for today's QBs. That emotional attachment you're basing your take off of wears off real fast.
The funny thing about Mayfield is,  
Go Terps : 11/13/2017 7:33 pm : link
if McAdoo were the coach he'd be a pretty good fit. We'll never find out, of course.
Nothing annoys me more than Ďtrade downí  
Sean : 11/13/2017 8:10 pm : link
The Browns traded down with Wentz & Watson- howíd all those extra picks turn out?
RE: RE: Two of the best QBs in the league: Rivers and Rodgers...  
Milton : 11/14/2017 6:27 am : link
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Spent the first two and three years of their careers on the bench and they were both able to hit the ground running because of it.

I would be very happy to see the Giants draft a QB with their first pick and then have him sit for not just one year, but two years, while Eli plays out his contract. There is a lot of talent on the Giants despite what we're now witnessing. Last year wasn't a mirage and OBJ didn't suffer a career-altering injury, just a season-ending one. And for all the talk of Eli being done, check out last year's playoff game vs the Packers. With the right pieces surrounding him, Eli is still a winning QB.


So Milton, you don't mind the QB being a 45 mill. cap hit the next two years? He is not part of the solution, if folks can't see that....
I would say one year max.
I stated that above when discussing drafting a QB,
with a top 3 pick.

My position stems from the belief that the Giants are fully capable of being a contender again next year, but that doesn't mean you pass up a golden opportunity to land the team's future franchise QB if there is one staring you in the face when you're on the clock (and it has to be a QB you love the same way you loved Eli in 2004, there is no need to reach for a QB just because you have the first pick). And vice versa, just because you invested the first pick in the draft on a QB doesn't mean you have to go into rebuild mode. You can have your cake and eat it too. If Eli were younger and had more years left on his contract it would be more problematic, but Eli's age and the two years left on his deal makes the circumstances practically ideal.

Let's talk about the cost. Forget about the cap numbers, all that matters is future real dollars, of which Eli is due $16M in 2018 and $17M in 2019 (from OverTheCap). When you consider what Webb and Rosen/Darnold will be making on their rookie deals in '18 and '19, the total real dollar outlay and subsequent cap hits for the QB position in those years is really quite manageable and very much a bargain. If they have to wait two years to transition to Rosen/Darnold (both of whom don't turn 21 until next year) they will still have three years of rookie rights remaining before they have to pay retail prices. And with a new coaching staff coming in and everyone learning new systems on both offense and defense, who better to lead the offense (and mentor the young QBs) during the learning process than Eli.

In any case, we're probably not that far apart in opinion, because if you can say "one year max" than you can agree on another year if Eli leads the Giants into the playoffs. And I can agree on reducing it to one year if Eli and the offense perform poorly and the Giants miss the playoffs by several games.

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He has a no trade clause I believe, let's say hypothetically he waived that for this discussion....another organization would ask him to re-structure his contract, before taking him on, would be my guess in any trade for him.
There is no incentive for Eli to waive the no-trade clause, especially if it would mean he had to restructure his contract. He'd much rather be released under such a scenario.
RE: The funny thing about Mayfield is,  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/14/2017 8:19 am : link
In comment 13691021 Go Terps said:
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if McAdoo were the coach he'd be a pretty good fit. We'll never find out, of course.


Funny? Sad? Maybe both, yes but spot on.
Darnold or Rosen  
JonC : 11/14/2017 8:46 am : link
If both are gone, I want to see how the DE and LT prospects grade out, otherwise try to trade down.
Very early to make this call  
lawguy9801 : 11/14/2017 9:29 am : link
Have to see how they do in combine and other pre-draft workouts. I'm especially interested to see whether Mayfield can make all of the throws asked of him by NFL scouts. I'd also like to see how Allen does throwing to quality receivers.
RE: RE: RE: Two of the best QBs in the league: Rivers and Rodgers...  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/14/2017 9:57 am : link
In comment 13691537 Milton said:
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There is no incentive for Eli to waive the no-trade clause, especially if it would mean he had to restructure his contract. He'd much rather be released under such a scenario.

I respectfully disagree. Of the $33MM in real dollars owed to Eli over the next two season, $10MM of it comes in the form of roster bonuses. If Eli were to be released, it's possible that at 37 (or 38), he does not approach $33MM/2 years (or $17MM/1 year). But if he agrees to waive his NTC in exchange for converting his roster bonuses to guaranteed salary, he has a very real incentive.

That said, it's most likely a moot point because I don't see Eli waiving his NTC either way. And it's possible that he'd get near (or more than) the $33MM remaining on his deal (either in AAV or additional years or both). But it's not so absurd as to say he has no incentive at all.
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