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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/12/2017 7:13 pm
Um.
We can still win this.  
Sarcastic Sam : 11/12/2017 7:13 pm : link
-JR
....  
yankees78 : 11/12/2017 7:14 pm : link
So...is THIS rock bottom?
I'd would never think  
bc4life : 11/12/2017 7:14 pm : link
Giants FO would fire a HC after 1 year in playoffs and 1 bad year, but...
RE: ....  
The_Boss : 11/12/2017 7:16 pm : link
In comment 13688018 yankees78 said:
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So...is THIS rock bottom?


Close. Hosting home games for Dallas and Philly might be total bottom.
I think we have a run in us.....  
averagejoe : 11/12/2017 7:16 pm : link
It's not easy allowing 30 pts to SF but dammit it had to be done.
...  
BleedBlue : 11/12/2017 7:16 pm : link
i think we have a run in us.
-McAdoo
we practiced well  
viggie : 11/12/2017 7:17 pm : link
heavy handed
How in God's fucking name  
SHO'NUFF : 11/12/2017 7:17 pm : link
do my last 2 opponent's starting quarterbacks end up against the Giants? Last week: Goff (with Woods), This week: CJ Beathard. Two quarterbacks that had no business scoring half those points.
Goff  
bc4life : 11/12/2017 7:18 pm : link
did pretty well against Texans this week too.
Rock bottom.  
Rick5 : 11/12/2017 7:19 pm : link
Lowest point since "the fumble."
This is some comple-fucking-mentary football  
adamg : 11/12/2017 7:20 pm : link
We're complementing next years team by improving our draft position...
If only  
Eman11 : 11/12/2017 7:20 pm : link
We had a leader on D like the O has with Eli. Say what you want about the talent left on O but they give it what they have. Eli will not let them quit.

Sadly can't say the same about the D that has a shit ton more talent than the O.
RE: How in God's fucking name  
Sarcastic Sam : 11/12/2017 7:20 pm : link
In comment 13688049 SHO'NUFF said:
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do my last 2 opponent's starting quarterbacks end up against the Giants? Last week: Goff (with Woods), This week: CJ Beathard. Two quarterbacks that had no business scoring half those points.


That's called smart fantasy football. Playing against the Giants. Call 'em up!
Last 1-8 start to a season was  
Simms11 : 11/12/2017 7:22 pm : link
27 years ago! Wtf does that tell ya.
RE: ...  
old man : 11/12/2017 7:22 pm : link
In comment 13688045 BleedBlue said:
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i think we have a run in us.
-McAdoo


This team gives the runs to me...does that count?
We're improving.  
Sarcastic Sam : 11/12/2017 7:23 pm : link
Lost by 34 last week. Only lost by 10 this week. Things are looking up!
That was pleasant  
ChathamMark : 11/12/2017 7:23 pm : link
Blow it up, then blow it up again.
RE: RE: ...  
Sarcastic Sam : 11/12/2017 7:23 pm : link
In comment 13688114 old man said:
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In comment 13688045 BleedBlue said:


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i think we have a run in us.
-McAdoo



This team gives the runs to me...does that count?


PIcks or it didn't happen.
Slade may be vindicated after all.  
bceagle05 : 11/12/2017 7:23 pm : link
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How about Chris Mara  
JPinstripes : 11/12/2017 7:25 pm : link
can he go also? Clean house - Mac, Jerry and Chris Mara - plus the entire coaching staff. The team has quit.
RE: Last 1-8 start to a season was  
Joey from GlenCove : 11/12/2017 7:26 pm : link
In comment 13688111 Simms11 said:
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27 years ago! Wtf does that tell ya.



We can still be a .500 team?
O'Hara on the postgame blaming it on injuries,  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/12/2017 7:26 pm : link
Hahahahahaha.
Dallas just got  
section125 : 11/12/2017 7:26 pm : link
destroyed by Atlanta...only good part of this weekend.
At least his hair is still pathetic  
BlueHurricane : 11/12/2017 7:28 pm : link
Just like his team
RE: O'Hara on the postgame blaming it on injuries,  
micky : 11/12/2017 7:29 pm : link
In comment 13688145 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Hahahahahaha.


told ya..injury card used
"Don't  
AcidTest : 11/12/2017 7:30 pm : link
sleep on the Giants"

Reese.

It's like the five stages of grief. We are finally at the last stage, acceptance.

The only way to salvage anything from this season is to fire everyone when it ends, including the scouts. It's their recommendations that are the basis for most of the day three picks.
The only thing that would have made this debacle worse...  
bw in dc : 11/12/2017 7:30 pm : link
is if Chaz Green was our LT.
The Giants team is sending a message to ownership  
Matt in SGS : 11/12/2017 7:32 pm : link
that they will not play for this coach. It's over. This reminds me of the 2015 Philly Eagles when they essentially revolted against Chip Kelly and laid down like dogs. There is nothing left to salvage here. If I was Mara I'd fire him tomorrow, send the message to the team that he's heard them, but now they are all on notice, from here on out and the tape will tell the story for who will be here next year and who might be out of the league.
I think there are guys who are purposefully not trying to make plays.  
Dave in Buffalo : 11/12/2017 7:32 pm : link
Jenkins is one of them.
RE: The Giants team is sending a message to ownership  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/12/2017 7:33 pm : link
In comment 13688186 Matt in SGS said:
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that they will not play for this coach. It's over. This reminds me of the 2015 Philly Eagles when they essentially revolted against Chip Kelly and laid down like dogs. There is nothing left to salvage here. If I was Mara I'd fire him tomorrow, send the message to the team that he's heard them, but now they are all on notice, from here on out and the tape will tell the story for who will be here next year and who might be out of the league.


Big Blue Interactive‏ @BigBlueInteract
54s54 seconds ago

Giants could fire McAdoo now and hand the reins over to Spagnuolo, whose defense is playing so.... oh crap... maybe Tom Quinn... crap... team janitor?

#GiantsPride
49ers only have been avg. 16 points/gm  
micky : 11/12/2017 7:33 pm : link
today? whoo hoo..over 30!! which the giants haven't touched in about a decade!
RE: RE: O'Hara on the postgame blaming it on injuries,  
bceagle05 : 11/12/2017 7:34 pm : link
In comment 13688163 micky said:
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In comment 13688145 Dave in Hoboken said:


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Hahahahahaha.



told ya..injury card used


O'Hara just obliterated them. Said forget the coaches - the players are getting paychecks and the "men need to stand up."
mac-a-don't coming up  
micky : 11/12/2017 7:34 pm : link
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RE: The Giants team is sending a message to ownership  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/12/2017 7:35 pm : link
In comment 13688186 Matt in SGS said:
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that they will not play for this coach. It's over. This reminds me of the 2015 Philly Eagles when they essentially revolted against Chip Kelly and laid down like dogs. There is nothing left to salvage here. If I was Mara I'd fire him tomorrow, send the message to the team that he's heard them, but now they are all on notice, from here on out and the tape will tell the story for who will be here next year and who might be out of the league.


Yes, and if they don't play for Spags/Sullivan then you're proven right to blow it up.

Fire Reese after the final game.
Im sorry....  
OBJRoyal : 11/12/2017 7:35 pm : link
But JPP needs to go. Never wanted him to be signed to a long term deal, and we are all seeing why. He is a no show, week in and week out
RE: RE: The Giants team is sending a message to ownership  
Matt in SGS : 11/12/2017 7:35 pm : link
In comment 13688194 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13688186 Matt in SGS said:


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that they will not play for this coach. It's over. This reminds me of the 2015 Philly Eagles when they essentially revolted against Chip Kelly and laid down like dogs. There is nothing left to salvage here. If I was Mara I'd fire him tomorrow, send the message to the team that he's heard them, but now they are all on notice, from here on out and the tape will tell the story for who will be here next year and who might be out of the league.



Big Blue Interactive‏ @BigBlueInteract
54s54 seconds ago

Giants could fire McAdoo now and hand the reins over to Spagnuolo, whose defense is playing so.... oh crap... maybe Tom Quinn... crap... team janitor?

#GiantsPride


I think they give the reigns to Sullivan at this point. I thought Spags because of his experience, but you are right, the defense has also shown they don't care. It doesn't really matter, the whole group is out the door next year. McAdoo has cratered so quickly they can't keep him here anymore.
here comes the cliches  
micky : 11/12/2017 7:35 pm : link
"have to look at ourselves in the mirror individually"
186 and 474  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 11/12/2017 7:36 pm : link
those are damning numbers to give up to an 0-9 team. 217.3 is SF average yards per game this season. 474 vs 217....

That defies description. Historically bad.
RE: here comes the cliches  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 11/12/2017 7:38 pm : link
In comment 13688215 micky said:
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"have to look at ourselves in the mirror individually"
F him.
I played 18  
Paulie Walnuts : 11/12/2017 7:38 pm : link
instead of wasting a beautiful day watching guys who dont give a shit anymore

what did I miss?
Post game show  
bluesince56 : 11/12/2017 7:39 pm : link
blaming injuries. They were 0-4 before injuries. This will be Maras excuse
This isn't anywhere near rock bottom yet.  
Red Dog : 11/12/2017 7:39 pm : link
Wait until Kansas City, Dallas, Philadelphia, and Washington get done with them.
RE: I played 18  
Sarcastic Sam : 11/12/2017 7:39 pm : link
In comment 13688247 Paulie Walnuts said:
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instead of wasting a beautiful day watching guys who dont give a shit anymore

what did I miss?


Great game.
RE: RE: I played 18  
Paulie Walnuts : 11/12/2017 7:40 pm : link
In comment 13688255 Sarcastic Sam said:
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In comment 13688247 Paulie Walnuts said:


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instead of wasting a beautiful day watching guys who dont give a shit anymore

what did I miss?



Great game.


relax, we got the GOOD doughnuts today
HC says they willl take a long hard look  
Steve in South Jersey : 11/12/2017 7:41 pm : link
at the tape.
The sad part is  
Bluesbreaker : 11/12/2017 7:42 pm : link
Nov 19 Sun Chiefs
Nov 23 Thu at Redskins
Dec 3 Sun at Raiders
Dec 10 Sun Cowboys
Dec 17 Sun Eagles
Dec 24 Sun at Cardinals
Dec 31 Sun Redskins
That we have to well if we choose to watch the beatings we are going to treated to .
The good part is the #2 pick in the draft .
I know everyone is gonna howl QB but Barkley excites me I have watched a number of lousy games and seasons but not sure if this will not top them all . The Defense is beat to shit we can barely field a team at this point . I think it's obvious there are business decisions taking place out there . I have to think that Mara has to be pretty much fed up at this point and will make the changes but you have to hope it includes Reese .
Not gonna criticize every damn player but this roster was poorly constructed and the two comment's One by JR saying don't count these guys out and BM I think we have a run in us well there just hot air at this point .
McAdoo  
nyjuggernaut2 : 11/12/2017 7:42 pm : link
"Our team showed a lot of fight"

WTF???
We should put McAdoo on the inactive list for the rest of the season  
PatersonPlank : 11/12/2017 7:42 pm : link
This defense is done playing for him. I think the offense is trying, they just need a the OL to play better.

Question...  
M.S. : 11/12/2017 7:43 pm : link

...who stuck the Giants with a fucked up offensive line for the past 5 years?

(a) Ben McAdoo?
(b) Jerry Reese?



Tape........Some coach up in the box  
NewBlue : 11/12/2017 7:43 pm : link
Could tell the HC that the effort was shit......You do NOT need to look at the tape
how many times did he mention looking at the Tape  
NewBlue : 11/12/2017 7:46 pm : link
Jeez
RE: RE: O'Hara on the postgame blaming it on injuries,  
jeff57 : 11/12/2017 7:47 pm : link
In comment 13688163 micky said:
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In comment 13688145 Dave in Hoboken said:


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Hahahahahaha.



told ya..injury card used


Giants post-game show is the worst.
RE: McAdoo  
Sarcastic Sam : 11/12/2017 7:47 pm : link
In comment 13688275 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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"Our team showed a lot of fight"

WTF???


I don't he realizes that we were the team in white.
RE: We should put McAdoo on the inactive list for the rest of the season  
nicky43 : 11/12/2017 7:47 pm : link
In comment 13688278 PatersonPlank said:
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This defense is done playing for him. I think the offense is trying, they just need a the OL to play better.


Why not. He's completely inactive during the games never talking to any players or coaches just standing alone with a deer in the headlights look with absolutely no emotion what so ever. Horrible head coach.
Have you ever worked for a depleted, demoralized company?  
81_Great_Dane : 11/12/2017 7:48 pm : link
I have, and even if you're working your ass off the results are lousy. Nobody empowered to take risks, everybody just trying to survive... it's a bad situation. I see some of that in the Giants now.

But y'know, there have been too many years recently when they've been historically bad at this or that. Something is rotten in the state of the Big Blue.
If any coach should be fired tomorrow  
jeff57 : 11/12/2017 7:48 pm : link
Its Spagnolo.
yeah  
gidiefor : Mod : 11/12/2017 7:48 pm : link
blame the injuries -- the 9ers had more injuries than the Giants - and a rookie QB who isn't a franchise QB

this isn't about injuries -- it's about sukking

The 9ers just wanted it more -- plain and simple
Giants still watch tape?  
Steve in South Jersey : 11/12/2017 7:49 pm : link
most teams have moved on to digital.
Giants post game show didn't show macaroni post game  
micky : 11/12/2017 7:49 pm : link
press
2018 Giants  
est1986 : 11/12/2017 7:50 pm : link
Manning with Webb as back-up/heir apparent
S.Barkley with our top 3 pick
OBJ
Marshall
Shepard
Engram
Flowers
Pugh
Richburg
Draft a OL with or other top 40 pick
Sign a RT or RG
OV
Tomlinson
Harrison
JPP
Draft a LB with the 3rd round or 4th round pick
Goodson
Sign a LB like T.Whitehead(Det) or Z.Brown(Was)
Jenkins
Apple
Draft a slot CB with the 3rd round or 4th round pick
Collins
Thompson
Replace Wing
Replace Rosas

Add in a new Offensive Coordinator, new Defensive Coordinator, new Head Coach AND new G.M. and I think we will be a much better team next year (any team should be better than this current one).
The words "tape" and "Need to look at the tape"  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/12/2017 7:50 pm : link
was used a combined total of 8 times by the coach in that press conference today.
McAdoo: Im never embarrassed  
The_Boss : 11/12/2017 7:50 pm : link
What a douche
Outcoached!?  
B in ALB : 11/12/2017 7:51 pm : link
Yeah no shit fuck head.
....  
yankees78 : 11/12/2017 7:52 pm : link
How the hell did we get to this point....
mac  
micky : 11/12/2017 7:52 pm : link
"I was outcoached"

by the 49ers hc??? holy hell



I gotta look at the tape  
jeff57 : 11/12/2017 7:52 pm : link
Look at the tape.
Mac  
bluesince56 : 11/12/2017 7:53 pm : link
It was a back and forth game! What?
Nicky ain't that the truth  
Bluesbreaker : 11/12/2017 7:54 pm : link
RE: We should put McAdoo on the inactive list for the rest of the season
nicky43 : 7:47 pm : link : reply
In comment 13688278 PatersonPlank said:
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This defense is done playing for him. I think the offense is trying, they just need a the OL to play better.


Why not. He's completely inactive during the games never talking to any players or coaches just standing alone with a deer in the headlights look with absolutely no emotion what so ever. Horrible head coach.

Watch the coaches constantly active while he stand there with a blank stare now granted he is smartest guy east of the Mississippi but damn . Never once do you see him in game managing even during the Shepard catch he never reacted it's like Eli had to coach the guy is awestruck or something who the hell would ever want to play hard for him ? I mean yeah there Pro's yada yada he is terrible at every level press conferences post game pregame doesn't matter leave and take your menu with you .
RE: McAdoo: Im never embarrassed  
Koffman : 11/12/2017 7:54 pm : link
In comment 13688346 The_Boss said:
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What a douche


And I think thats probably part of McAdoos problem. He needs to be embarrassed and/or humbled in some way.

Either that or he's just to stupid to realize when he is actually been embarrassed, which has been on a weekly basis this year.
RE: 2018 Giants  
Paulie Walnuts : 11/12/2017 7:54 pm : link
In comment 13688340 est1986 said:
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Manning with Webb as back-up/heir apparent
S.Barkley with our top 3 pick
OBJ
Marshall
Shepard
Engram
Flowers
Pugh
Richburg
Draft a OL with or other top 40 pick
Sign a RT or RG
OV
Tomlinson
Harrison
JPP
Draft a LB with the 3rd round or 4th round pick
Goodson
Sign a LB like T.Whitehead(Det) or Z.Brown(Was)
Jenkins
Apple
Draft a slot CB with the 3rd round or 4th round pick
Collins
Thompson
Replace Wing
Replace Rosas

Add in a new Offensive Coordinator, new Defensive Coordinator, new Head Coach AND new G.M. and I think we will be a much better team next year (any team should be better than this current one).


No way do I want Flower, Pugh and OV on the team anymore
Than there was Benny 2 times  
ghost718 : 11/12/2017 7:55 pm : link
Gotta go look at the tape...look at the tape
You think he will take a look at the tape?  
TommytheElephant : 11/12/2017 7:55 pm : link
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Richburg is a goner.  
Sarcastic Sam : 11/12/2017 7:55 pm : link
Marshall, too.
Jimmy Two Times  
Paulie Walnuts : 11/12/2017 7:55 pm : link
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Look at the tape, look at the tape  
jeff57 : 11/12/2017 7:55 pm : link
And then get the papers, get the papers.
_________  
I am Ninja : 11/12/2017 7:55 pm : link
theres no situation.
I don't think he wants to look at the tape  
micky : 11/12/2017 7:56 pm : link
a reflection of himself!
What happened at halftime?  
Sarcastic Sam : 11/12/2017 7:56 pm : link
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RE: RE: The Giants team is sending a message to ownership  
FStubbs : 11/12/2017 7:56 pm : link
In comment 13688208 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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In comment 13688186 Matt in SGS said:


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that they will not play for this coach. It's over. This reminds me of the 2015 Philly Eagles when they essentially revolted against Chip Kelly and laid down like dogs. There is nothing left to salvage here. If I was Mara I'd fire him tomorrow, send the message to the team that he's heard them, but now they are all on notice, from here on out and the tape will tell the story for who will be here next year and who might be out of the league.



Yes, and if they don't play for Spags/Sullivan then you're proven right to blow it up.

Fire Reese after the final game.


Fire Reese now. Why wait? Let a new guy come in and start replacing scouts.
RE: _________  
bluesince56 : 11/12/2017 7:56 pm : link
In comment 13688394 I am Ninja said:
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theres no situation.


He's in denial
RE: RE: _________  
micky : 11/12/2017 7:57 pm : link
In comment 13688403 bluesince56 said:
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In comment 13688394 I am Ninja said:


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theres no situation.



He's in denial


totally
looked for cockadoo  
gm7b5 : 11/12/2017 7:58 pm : link
postgame locker speech on giants.com, damn, couldnt find.
Florio reporting McAdoo could be fired tomorrow.  
RDJR : 11/12/2017 8:01 pm : link
Just reported on SNF.
Non Post -game discussion comment:  
old man : 11/12/2017 8:03 pm : link
This organization is so F-ed up even our F-ed up is F-ed up.
RE: Florio reporting McAdoo could be fired tomorrow.  
jeff57 : 11/12/2017 8:04 pm : link
In comment 13688439 RDJR said:
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Just reported on SNF.


Cant. He needs to look at the tape.
RE: looked for cockadoo  
jpetuch : 11/12/2017 8:04 pm : link
In comment 13688414 gm7b5 said:
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postgame locker speech on giants.com, damn, couldnt find.
Random observation..  
OBJ_AllDay : 11/12/2017 8:07 pm : link
Pugh was abused at RT today. He's another guy not worthy of shelling out big bucks to. Let him walk.
The way Ben is handling this situation  
Vanzetti : 11/12/2017 8:08 pm : link
Shows he lacks the stuff to be a HC. He is acting like a teenager in denial.

RE: RE: looked for cockadoo  
gidiefor : Mod : 11/12/2017 8:10 pm : link
In comment 13688458 jpetuch said:
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In comment 13688414 gm7b5 said:


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postgame locker speech on giants.com, damn, couldnt find.

It's posted on a thread below
eli  
micky : 11/12/2017 8:12 pm : link
"have get out the and compete"
John Mara  
B in ALB : 11/12/2017 8:13 pm : link
witnessing that fuck stain of a game today, on the road, with a shitty flight home tonight might can this asshole tomorrow.

Midas whale.

RE: eli  
Emil : 11/12/2017 8:24 pm : link
In comment 13688498 micky said:
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"have get out the and compete"


He's right. He, Shepherd, Darkwa, Jones, and Gallman are the only ones playing hard right now.
OL  
Dragon : 11/12/2017 8:25 pm : link
Guys you could put god at RT, RG, OC, LG, or LT and as long as the 208 guy is behind the line you will see the same results 70+ percent of the time. Just once I would love to see our team leader show some fire out there to inspire his teammates. We are a team that can't have anything go wrong during the game or the wheels fall off. In this game that missed FG was huge after that the team was flat and nothing went right after that.

So do we have the second pick or the third with the loss to 49ers? I would bet that McAdoo is watching tapes on Tuesday this is not just the HC now it's a mental block to get over.
It was only on the RZ here...  
Carson53 : 11/12/2017 8:28 pm : link
Might as well get the Numero Uno pick. The other day I said
a top 3 pick, I think I have changed my mind.
With a team plays with a lack of effort, you deserve to lose!
*When  
Carson53 : 11/12/2017 8:29 pm : link
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So we just lost to a winless squad  
The_Boss : 11/12/2017 8:31 pm : link
Look like we are going 115 and, in this shitty NFL world of 2017, we very well might only be drafting third??
RE: So we just lost to a winless squad  
The_Boss : 11/12/2017 8:37 pm : link
In comment 13688576 The_Boss said:
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Look like we are going 115 and, in this shitty NFL world of 2017, we very well might only be drafting third??


Thats actually TBD. Per Ray in Arlington, strength of schedule will determine it at seasons end.
RE: RE: So we just lost to a winless squad  
Sarcastic Sam : 11/12/2017 8:40 pm : link
In comment 13688614 The_Boss said:
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In comment 13688576 The_Boss said:


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Look like we are going 115 and, in this shitty NFL world of 2017, we very well might only be drafting third??



Thats actually TBD. Per Ray in Arlington, strength of schedule will determine it at seasons end.


Well then we're fucked, because any team that plays us is going to have a better record.
RE: RE: 2018 Giants  
FStubbs : 11/12/2017 8:44 pm : link
In comment 13688377 Paulie Walnuts said:
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In comment 13688340 est1986 said:


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Manning with Webb as back-up/heir apparent
S.Barkley with our top 3 pick
OBJ
Marshall
Shepard
Engram
Flowers
Pugh
Richburg
Draft a OL with or other top 40 pick
Sign a RT or RG
OV
Tomlinson
Harrison
JPP
Draft a LB with the 3rd round or 4th round pick
Goodson
Sign a LB like T.Whitehead(Det) or Z.Brown(Was)
Jenkins
Apple
Draft a slot CB with the 3rd round or 4th round pick
Collins
Thompson
Replace Wing
Replace Rosas

Add in a new Offensive Coordinator, new Defensive Coordinator, new Head Coach AND new G.M. and I think we will be a much better team next year (any team should be better than this current one).



No way do I want Flower, Pugh and OV on the team anymore


I don't want Richburg back. Flowers is one of the few guys still trying out there so he can at least come to camp and compete for T or G.
RE: RE: So we just lost to a winless squad  
FStubbs : 11/12/2017 8:45 pm : link
In comment 13688614 The_Boss said:
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In comment 13688576 The_Boss said:


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Look like we are going 115 and, in this shitty NFL world of 2017, we very well might only be drafting third??



Thats actually TBD. Per Ray in Arlington, strength of schedule will determine it at seasons end.


Will that apply to Giants vs 49ers since their one win will be against us? Shouldn't it be 1 - Cleveland (0-16) 2 - Giants (1-15) 3. SF (1-15)?
RE: Random observation..  
darren in pdx : 11/12/2017 8:46 pm : link
In comment 13688474 OBJ_AllDay said:
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Pugh was abused at RT today. He's another guy not worthy of shelling out big bucks to. Let him walk.


I didn't start watching until the second quarter, wasn't Pugh out the majority of the game? Hart was abused for sure but I didn't get to see Pugh at all. A couple others have pointed it out too but Flowers has been improving the past few weeks, from what I saw he had another decent game. Could be huge going forward if he's starting to develop.
Pugh got beat on a good swim move  
B in ALB : 11/12/2017 8:47 pm : link
on the Eli sack fumble. Other than that he was pretty good. But he's hurt again. And playing out of position doesn't help.
RE: RE: RE: So we just lost to a winless squad  
darren in pdx : 11/12/2017 8:47 pm : link
In comment 13688645 FStubbs said:
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In comment 13688614 The_Boss said:


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In comment 13688576 The_Boss said:


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Look like we are going 115 and, in this shitty NFL world of 2017, we very well might only be drafting third??



Thats actually TBD. Per Ray in Arlington, strength of schedule will determine it at seasons end.



Will that apply to Giants vs 49ers since their one win will be against us? Shouldn't it be 1 - Cleveland (0-16) 2 - Giants (1-15) 3. SF (1-15)?


Head-to-head doesn't apply to draft order apparently.
RE: RE: RE: So we just lost to a winless squad  
ray in arlington : 11/12/2017 8:48 pm : link
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Look like we are going 115 and, in this shitty NFL world of 2017, we very well might only be drafting third??



Thats actually TBD. Per Ray in Arlington, strength of schedule will determine it at seasons end.



Will that apply to Giants vs 49ers since their one win will be against us? Shouldn't it be 1 - Cleveland (0-16) 2 - Giants (1-15) 3. SF (1-15)?


SOS is the tiebreak, not the head to head result.
Pugh is the only oline guy we got worth a shit!  
nicky43 : 11/12/2017 8:49 pm : link
He may not be playing his best football right now but he's unarguably the best oline guy we got. Let's not get rid of him until he's second string and his replacement is already on the team. As it stands now we need all 5 oline positions upgraded if you include Pugh in that and no way does that happen.

Each year our oline team gets worse and worse and we fall further behind in getting the upgrades we seriously need. Pugh is the only real starter on the team.

And after strength of schedule  
NYerInMA : 11/12/2017 8:50 pm : link
I think it's a coin flip.
I  
AcidTest : 11/12/2017 8:52 pm : link
honestly think the Giants will be 1-15, maybe 2-14 at best.
RE: RE: RE: RE: So we just lost to a winless squad  
FStubbs : 11/12/2017 8:52 pm : link
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Look like we are going 115 and, in this shitty NFL world of 2017, we very well might only be drafting third??



Thats actually TBD. Per Ray in Arlington, strength of schedule will determine it at seasons end.



Will that apply to Giants vs 49ers since their one win will be against us? Shouldn't it be 1 - Cleveland (0-16) 2 - Giants (1-15) 3. SF (1-15)?



SOS is the tiebreak, not the head to head result.


Then yeah, we're drafting third despite obviously having a weaker team than SF.
RE: 2018 Giants  
WillVAB : 11/12/2017 8:55 pm : link
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Manning with Webb as back-up/heir apparent
S.Barkley with our top 3 pick
OBJ
Marshall
Shepard
Engram
Flowers
Pugh
Richburg
Draft a OL with or other top 40 pick
Sign a RT or RG
OV
Tomlinson
Harrison
JPP
Draft a LB with the 3rd round or 4th round pick
Goodson
Sign a LB like T.Whitehead(Det) or Z.Brown(Was)
Jenkins
Apple
Draft a slot CB with the 3rd round or 4th round pick
Collins
Thompson
Replace Wing
Replace Rosas

Add in a new Offensive Coordinator, new Defensive Coordinator, new Head Coach AND new G.M. and I think we will be a much better team next year (any team should be better than this current one).


Ok so you want to overpay for shitty Pugh and Richberg who cant stay healthy? Then pay for a RG/RT who and with what money?

Then you want to burn a top 5 pick on a RB who cant beat good college comp? Then spend the usual mid round picks on LB/secondary help.

No thanks.
we are ahead in the SOS tiebreak with SF  
ray in arlington : 11/12/2017 8:56 pm : link
don't know why folks are assuming we pick 3rd if we tie with them.

maybe folks are looking at SOS so far, which doesn't make too much sense because if NYG and SF have the same game on their schedules, that game doesn't count.

I have info on this in my thread called Draft Order
1-15, even 2-14, might cost Eli the HOF  
The_Boss : 11/12/2017 8:59 pm : link
Heck, his career winning % is creeping closer to .500 by the week.
Worst HC in NYG history  
D_Giants : 11/12/2017 9:01 pm : link
McAdoo has no football instincts. Belichick keeps using the same play until it's no longer successful. McAdoo continues using the same play until it's successful, if ever. Anything that works is abandoned.

This record-setting stink-a-thon of a season is on the ownership, the GM, the HC, and the position coaches. The Maras let coordinators like Landry, Lombardi, and Belichick walk and promoted household-name successes to HC like Alex Webster, John McVay, Ray Handley, and Ben Lack-a-clue. A good HC is a necessary but not sufficient requirement to win. These players do not want to play for him, and given his low IQ, football instincts, and character-less personality, it is no wonder this team is breaking every stink record out there. Now, for the real fun: good teams!
RE: 1-15, even 2-14, might cost Eli the HOF  
D_Giants : 11/12/2017 9:05 pm : link
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Heck, his career winning % is creeping closer to .500 by the week.


Manning does not have the stats for the HOF. He was great in 2011, but he is not and never has been an extraordinary QB. (He did not win 2 SBs by himself; he had stellar defensive units.)
Giants had the 25th ranked defense in 2011  
TommytheElephant : 11/12/2017 9:18 pm : link
.
I remember this happening to another slick back haired coach  
SHO'NUFF : 11/12/2017 9:32 pm : link
by the name of Bud Killer. He coached West Caanan and the players mutinied against him. True story.
Fuck, Bud Kilmer  
SHO'NUFF : 11/12/2017 9:33 pm : link
not killer.
I  
AcidTest : 11/12/2017 10:09 pm : link
think Pugh has too much of an injury history to give him the kind of money he's going to want in FA. I'm inclined to allow him to leave. Richburg as well.
RE: I  
The_Boss : 11/12/2017 10:13 pm : link
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think Pugh has too much of an injury history to give him the kind of money he's going to want in FA. I'm inclined to allow him to leave. Richburg as well.


Agree.
A total reset across just about every unit on the team is needed. And it wont be a one year fix. Its going to take multiple offseasons to undue and fix the mess Reese created over the last half decade.
JPP was a waste of space out there. Watched him get completely  
Jimmy Googs : 11/12/2017 10:22 pm : link
stonewalled numerous times by the TE.

Didn't cover the backside on several plays in the first half.

And what the hell we he doing on the QB TD run??

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Sarcastic Sam : 11/12/2017 10:30 pm : link
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think Pugh has too much of an injury history to give him the kind of money he's going to want in FA. I'm inclined to allow him to leave. Richburg as well.



Agree.
A total reset across just about every unit on the team is needed. And it wont be a one year fix. Its going to take multiple offseasons to undue and fix the mess Reese created over the last half decade.


So Richburg, Pugh, Hart are probably gone after this season. Ereck Flowers likely gone after 2018. Brett Jones is an RFA so will probably stick around for a year or two. Our lion of the line will be... John. Effing. Jerry.
Mara should petition the NFL to let us take a year off in 2018  
Jimmy Googs : 11/12/2017 10:32 pm : link
so we can regroup and try and come back competitive in 2019...
RE: JPP was a waste of space out there. Watched him get completely  
bluepepper : 11/12/2017 10:36 pm : link
In comment 13688924 Jimmy Googs said:
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stonewalled numerous times by the TE.

Didn't cover the backside on several plays in the first half.

And what the hell we he doing on the QB TD run??

He was in pass coverage. QB saw that and decided to run. Terrible defensive call.
I think the "Giants' way" we've all been so proud of has gone on long  
Jim in Hoboken : 11/12/2017 11:13 pm : link
enough. 2 fluky years of SB runs are't enough to compensate for this embarrassment. Have to clean house.

We the fans have to force Mara to do it.
RE: RE: JPP was a waste of space out there. Watched him get completely  
B in ALB : 11/13/2017 12:02 am : link
In comment 13688948 bluepepper said:
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stonewalled numerous times by the TE.

Didn't cover the backside on several plays in the first half.

And what the hell we he doing on the QB TD run??



He was in pass coverage. QB saw that and decided to run. Terrible defensive call.


Pass coverage? With a LB layer from the 11 yard line?

Don't think so.

He was a-skeered of getting beat on the outside by the QB again.

He's shit.
Last week  
old man : 11/13/2017 1:29 am : link
I jokingly posted a request about hiring a hitman to, uh, remove, certain member(s) of the Giants.

This week , regarding player execution, i am more seriously in favor of it.
Throw in FO and coaches too.
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