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Any Mutually Agreeable Scenarios Where Eli Is Traded?

Trainmaster : 11/12/2017 11:01 pm
First, I know Eli has a no trade clause.

Second, I believe Eli's play this season is not the problem (surely not among the top problems).

Third, Eli is among my favorite Giants all time and I would HATE to see him in another uniform.

Given the above, how likely is a conversation between Eli and Mara after Reese and McAdoo are fired after the season where Mara tells Eli Mara has to blow the whole organization up, it will be 2 to 3 years before the Giants are likely competitive again. Mara goes on that the Giants need to go with one of the young QBs in draft and he wants Eli to have a chance to get another ring AND the draft picks the Giants get should allow the rebuild to go faster and better.

Which teams would Eli agree to be traded to?

Which teams are in need of a veteran QB right now AND are competitive enough with a good enough offense that Eli would agree to a trade?

What is the most the Giants could expect to receive in a trade for Eli?

Chargers.  
Sarcastic Sam : 11/12/2017 11:05 pm : link
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JAC  
Sy'56 : 11/12/2017 11:07 pm : link
Coughlin connection makes it a worthwhile discussion. Up and coming team, need a game manager. Maras won't just dump him...although I'm not sure how strong their bond is with Coughlin now.
I Guess Jacksonville  
Trainmaster : 11/12/2017 11:07 pm : link
with the Coughlin connection has been mentioned, but I'm not sure how good Jacksonville's offense and OL are.

Denver (following in the steps of his brother)?
Pretty sure  
mrvax : 11/12/2017 11:13 pm : link
2018 cap/dead money of $12.4M is very costly to get Eli traded. 2019 is more practical.

We need Eli to groom his successor.
I don't think Eli  
adamg : 11/12/2017 11:13 pm : link
will accept a trade of any kind.
What do you think youíd get?  
djstat : 11/12/2017 11:18 pm : link
What Type of comp?
RE: JAC  
One Man Thrill Ride : 11/12/2017 11:32 pm : link
In comment 13688975 Sy'56 said:
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Coughlin connection makes it a worthwhile discussion. Up and coming team, need a game manager. Maras won't just dump him...although I'm not sure how strong their bond is with Coughlin now.


Thrill sees the application of this logic every week. It won't happen.

Eli has a no-trade clause. He'd rather be released and carefully chose his new (and last) team, the same way Peyton left terms with the Colts. He's not uprooting his family to go to Jacksonville. Other than a v talented defense, here's nothing desirable about that team or destination.

Next, Thrilly posits the Jags don't internally view Blake Bortles as a disaster. Sure, the Thrill Ride sure gets a chuckle on Twitter @BortlesFacts.
However: "Eli could be the game manager they're missing" -- Bortles has been that player this year. This is not a particularly talented offense, but they are 6-3 and he's generally protecting the ball.

More important, one of Coughlin's first moves as the Exec was picking up Bortles' 5th-year option for 2018.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000806335/article/why-did-jags-pick-up-blake-bortles-5thyear-option

That article isn't over-flowing with effusive praise of Bortles' game. But according to the economics of the game, the Jags braintrust seems to be taking a measured approach and it's paid off so far this year.

Bottom line. Likeliest scenario. Giants draft a QB and keep Eli in 2018. He either retires or leaves for free agency in 2019.
Eli  
Giant4Life : 11/12/2017 11:33 pm : link
Will retire before he is traded or benched. Period.
Grow up  
Blue Moon : 11/12/2017 11:33 pm : link
People. He's the only player worth keeping on this roster of misfits.
JAX makes the most sense  
WillVAB : 11/12/2017 11:36 pm : link
Great running game, great defense. Robinson will be back next year to go with Hurns and Lee. Really just one more strong draft from JAX and they can compete for a championship with the right QB. Eli has the experience and ability to make another run.
RE: Grow up  
AcesUp : 11/13/2017 12:10 am : link
In comment 13689009 Blue Moon said:
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People. He's the only player worth keeping on this roster of misfits.


You're probably the one that needs to grow up.

There's a lot of moving parts and variables, so it's unlikely to happen, but Jacksonville makes way too much sense not to discuss. A whole lot depends on what Eli wants.
Jax or Denver  
SHO'NUFF : 11/13/2017 1:45 am : link
most of all, the team that really needs him: the Giants.
RE: RE: JAC  
You'reMyBoyBlue!! : 11/13/2017 1:53 am : link
In comment 13689005 One Man Thrill Ride said:
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In comment 13688975 Sy'56 said:


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Coughlin connection makes it a worthwhile discussion. Up and coming team, need a game manager. Maras won't just dump him...although I'm not sure how strong their bond is with Coughlin now.



Thrill sees the application of this logic every week. It won't happen.

Eli has a no-trade clause. He'd rather be released and carefully chose his new (and last) team, the same way Peyton left terms with the Colts. He's not uprooting his family to go to Jacksonville. Other than a v talented defense, here's nothing desirable about that team or destination.

Next, Thrilly posits the Jags don't internally view Blake Bortles as a disaster. Sure, the Thrill Ride sure gets a chuckle on Twitter @BortlesFacts.
However: "Eli could be the game manager they're missing" -- Bortles has been that player this year. This is not a particularly talented offense, but they are 6-3 and he's generally protecting the ball.

More important, one of Coughlin's first moves as the Exec was picking up Bortles' 5th-year option for 2018.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000806335/article/why-did-jags-pick-up-blake-bortles-5thyear-option

That article isn't over-flowing with effusive praise of Bortles' game. But according to the economics of the game, the Jags braintrust seems to be taking a measured approach and it's paid off so far this year.

Bottom line. Likeliest scenario. Giants draft a QB and keep Eli in 2018. He either retires or leaves for free agency in 2019.


Great schtick bro
Eli put the "no trade" clause in the contract for a reason  
JohnB : 11/13/2017 3:29 am : link
And that is because he doesn't want to be traded. And he feels strong enough about it to make it a point in his contract.

RE: Eli put the  
robbieballs2003 : 11/13/2017 6:42 am : link
In comment 13689086 JohnB said:
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And that is because he doesn't want to be traded. And he feels strong enough about it to make it a point in his contract.


A no-trade clause isn't only so he doesn't get traded. It means he gets to say no. If there is a team interested in him and he wants to win another ring before he retires then he may want to take that shot. Being definitive one way or the other is ridiculous. Nobody knows if he wants to retire, wants to get released, wants to stay with the Giants, etc. A no-trade clause means he gets to say no if he wants to not that he will 100% say no to every other team.
RE: JAX makes the most sense  
robbieballs2003 : 11/13/2017 6:44 am : link
In comment 13689010 WillVAB said:
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Great running game, great defense. Robinson will be back next year to go with Hurns and Lee. Really just one more strong draft from JAX and they can compete for a championship with the right QB. Eli has the experience and ability to make another run.


I think they can compete this year. That defense is for real. They have WRs. Westbrook should be back this week. They have a runnint game. Their OL is much improved. I think just having another season under their belt will help. Bortles is obviously their achilles heel right now. Otherwise, they are as talented as just about any other team.
Browns  
Pepe LePugh : 11/13/2017 6:53 am : link
when Peyton takes over front office for his friend Jimmy Haslem (Browns owner). Cleveland has more than enough resources, cap space and draft picks, to go worst to first.
Only way he waives the no trade clause  
WideRight : 11/13/2017 6:57 am : link
is to add guaranteed money to his contract.

Not too many scenarios where that would be worth it. Who would give up value to take on an over-priced contract and then increase it?
I have commented on a possible trade scenario on past threads.  
Diver_Down : 11/13/2017 7:30 am : link
Jax makes the most sense. Great defense, running game, better OL, weak division, talented receivers, strong coaching staff playing to the team's strengths. Marrone had said in the past the ideal game is one where Blake has zero passes.
Bortles has been o.k. The fifth year option was a matter of economics. If Blake did well this season without the 5th year option, then he could only be franchise tagged. By picking up the option, it was an approximate $5M savings. The 5th is only guaranteed for injury.

The problem about negotiating a trade is that it takes a while to execute. John Schneider (GM for Seattle) had recently said that they had begun trade talks for Duane Brown back in the preseason while he was holding out. It took almost 2 months to execute a trade for a player that had held out and opening criticized his previous team's owner.

Now, you mentioned the NTC. But trade talks cannot occur until the start of the league year. Doing so before is tampering. Eli has a $5M roster bonus due on the 3rd day. A trade is not likely in 72 hours. Another poster mentioned the dead cap hit in the event of a trade is $12.4M. That dead cap hit doesn't factor into the additional paid roster bonus. A trade can still be worked out after the roster bonus, but that money is guaranteed and does not have to be paid back.

Now, the $5M can be paid as an insurance policy until after the draft to safeguard that the draft falls the Giants way. The $500K workout bonus can be paid as an insurance policy to guard against injury in OTAs and provide competition. If the new draft pick and Webb look competent in the off-season, then a trade or release can still take place.

Now, if Eli is released, then the cap savings can be spread out over 2 years by designating him a June 1st cut. There is no other option for cap savings.
Take the financial and contractual obstacles out of it for a second  
LatHarv83 : 11/13/2017 7:45 am : link
Eli will turn 38 during next season and isnít a franchise changer, merely a guy you can win with if all the pieces around him are in place and all the stars are aligned correctly, which can be said of a lot of guys. There isnít going to be a ton of interest in that guy when he is year-to-year at this stage and isnít anything close to elite. Also the qb free agent market is the strongest it has been in quite some time and there are options out there moreso than normal.

Jax because of the Coughlin relationship makes the most sense but I personally donít even think it makes much sense for them either. Bortles is nothing great but heís still very young, theyíve stuck with him and are winning with him. You blow your load on a chance at a 1-2 year run with Eli and you likely arenít increasing your odds much anyway and you could look up a year down the road and find yourself in desperate straights at QB, begging for a Bortles. If Iím them I stick with Bortles and see if I can draft a QB to unseat him. Eli isnít worth potentially wrecking your QB room to start from scratch after a year or two.
Driver  
fkap : 11/13/2017 7:46 am : link
"But trade talks cannot occur until the start of the league year. Doing so before is tampering. Eli has a $5M roster bonus due on the 3rd day. A trade is not likely in 72 hours."

I've got a bridge to sell you if you think that's an issue. remember the old days of Free Agency where players were being signed within of minutes of the opening bell? It can be the same thing here.

The Giants have to make up their mind before the roster is paid, but otherwise timing is not a problem.
RE: Take the financial and contractual obstacles out of it for a second  
Diver_Down : 11/13/2017 8:28 am : link
In comment 13689189 LatHarv83 said:
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Jax because of the Coughlin relationship makes the most sense but I personally donít even think it makes much sense for them either. Bortles is nothing great but heís still very young, theyíve stuck with him and are winning with him. You blow your load on a chance at a 1-2 year run with Eli and you likely arenít increasing your odds much anyway and you could look up a year down the road and find yourself in desperate straights at QB, begging for a Bortles. If Iím them I stick with Bortles and see if I can draft a QB to unseat him. Eli isnít worth potentially wrecking your QB room to start from scratch after a year or two.


If you look at the QB situation in Jax, they are in a tough spot. The 5th year option for Bortles is $19M. Any extension for Bortles in the off-season begins with $19M + following year's franchise tag as a signing bonus. Tom will have to decide if he want to hitch the Jags to Blake for a $40M signing bonus (min) and a duration long enough to spread out the cap hit. I don't see them enamored with Blake to make such a commitment. Their other QB is Henne. He is certainly capable as a manager. Not someone you want long term, but he is capable.

Now, BBI doesn't think Eli is worth an $10.5M salary (total cash of $16M) per year. Does anyone actually think Blake is worth $19M? With the Jaguars not having a shot at a top QB prospect, they'll have to decide how to bridge the gap until they can do so. Do they extend Blake? Do they seek out a cheaper proven veteran?
RE: RE: RE: JAC  
AcidTest : 11/13/2017 9:02 am : link
In comment 13689068 You'reMyBoyBlue!! said:
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In comment 13689005 One Man Thrill Ride said:


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In comment 13688975 Sy'56 said:


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Coughlin connection makes it a worthwhile discussion. Up and coming team, need a game manager. Maras won't just dump him...although I'm not sure how strong their bond is with Coughlin now.



Thrill sees the application of this logic every week. It won't happen.

Eli has a no-trade clause. He'd rather be released and carefully chose his new (and last) team, the same way Peyton left terms with the Colts. He's not uprooting his family to go to Jacksonville. Other than a v talented defense, here's nothing desirable about that team or destination.

Next, Thrilly posits the Jags don't internally view Blake Bortles as a disaster. Sure, the Thrill Ride sure gets a chuckle on Twitter @BortlesFacts.
However: "Eli could be the game manager they're missing" -- Bortles has been that player this year. This is not a particularly talented offense, but they are 6-3 and he's generally protecting the ball.

More important, one of Coughlin's first moves as the Exec was picking up Bortles' 5th-year option for 2018.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000806335/article/why-did-jags-pick-up-blake-bortles-5thyear-option

That article isn't over-flowing with effusive praise of Bortles' game. But according to the economics of the game, the Jags braintrust seems to be taking a measured approach and it's paid off so far this year.

Bottom line. Likeliest scenario. Giants draft a QB and keep Eli in 2018. He either retires or leaves for free agency in 2019.



Great schtick bro


+2. JAC is the most likely, but even that is farfetched. I don't see Eli waiving his no trade clause.
RE: RE: Take the financial and contractual obstacles out of it for a second  
AcidTest : 11/13/2017 9:03 am : link
In comment 13689296 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 13689189 LatHarv83 said:


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Jax because of the Coughlin relationship makes the most sense but I personally donít even think it makes much sense for them either. Bortles is nothing great but heís still very young, theyíve stuck with him and are winning with him. You blow your load on a chance at a 1-2 year run with Eli and you likely arenít increasing your odds much anyway and you could look up a year down the road and find yourself in desperate straights at QB, begging for a Bortles. If Iím them I stick with Bortles and see if I can draft a QB to unseat him. Eli isnít worth potentially wrecking your QB room to start from scratch after a year or two.



If you look at the QB situation in Jax, they are in a tough spot. The 5th year option for Bortles is $19M. Any extension for Bortles in the off-season begins with $19M + following year's franchise tag as a signing bonus. Tom will have to decide if he want to hitch the Jags to Blake for a $40M signing bonus (min) and a duration long enough to spread out the cap hit. I don't see them enamored with Blake to make such a commitment. Their other QB is Henne. He is certainly capable as a manager. Not someone you want long term, but he is capable.

Now, BBI doesn't think Eli is worth an $10.5M salary (total cash of $16M) per year. Does anyone actually think Blake is worth $19M? With the Jaguars not having a shot at a top QB prospect, they'll have to decide how to bridge the gap until they can do so. Do they extend Blake? Do they seek out a cheaper proven veteran?


They could get a veteran, and then draft Rudolph or Falk.
If I were Eli, I'd waive the NTC for JAC. Perfect situation  
Victor in CT : 11/13/2017 9:43 am : link
good OL and RB, good D.
He's got a wife and three girls  
WideRight : 11/13/2017 3:55 pm : link
That will always come first in any career decision going forward. And his post-football career will be here too.

So basically no way he goes unless someone brings the Brink truck, abd thats not going to happen
RE: Pretty sure  
Scyber : 11/13/2017 4:06 pm : link
In comment 13688980 mrvax said:
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2018 cap/dead money of $12.4M is very costly to get Eli traded. 2019 is more practical.

We need Eli to groom his successor.


It really depends on the trade compensation. It would basically be the giants paying $12.4 million for draft picks. The question is what would they be offered.
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