First, I know Eli has a no trade clause.
Second, I believe Eli's play this season is not the problem (surely not among the top problems).
Third, Eli is among my favorite Giants all time and I would HATE to see him in another uniform.
Given the above, how likely is a conversation between Eli and Mara after Reese and McAdoo are fired after the season where Mara tells Eli Mara has to blow the whole organization up, it will be 2 to 3 years before the Giants are likely competitive again. Mara goes on that the Giants need to go with one of the young QBs in draft and he wants Eli to have a chance to get another ring AND the draft picks the Giants get should allow the rebuild to go faster and better.
Which teams would Eli agree to be traded to?
Which teams are in need of a veteran QB right now AND are competitive enough with a good enough offense that Eli would agree to a trade?
What is the most the Giants could expect to receive in a trade for Eli?
Denver (following in the steps of his brother)?
We need Eli to groom his successor.
Thrill sees the application of this logic every week. It won't happen.
Eli has a no-trade clause. He'd rather be released and carefully chose his new (and last) team, the same way Peyton left terms with the Colts. He's not uprooting his family to go to Jacksonville. Other than a v talented defense, here's nothing desirable about that team or destination.
Next, Thrilly posits the Jags don't internally view Blake Bortles as a disaster. Sure, the Thrill Ride sure gets a chuckle on Twitter @BortlesFacts.
However: "Eli could be the game manager they're missing" -- Bortles has been that player this year. This is not a particularly talented offense, but they are 6-3 and he's generally protecting the ball.
More important, one of Coughlin's first moves as the Exec was picking up Bortles' 5th-year option for 2018.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000806335/article/why-did-jags-pick-up-blake-bortles-5thyear-option
That article isn't over-flowing with effusive praise of Bortles' game. But according to the economics of the game, the Jags braintrust seems to be taking a measured approach and it's paid off so far this year.
Bottom line. Likeliest scenario. Giants draft a QB and keep Eli in 2018. He either retires or leaves for free agency in 2019.
You're probably the one that needs to grow up.
There's a lot of moving parts and variables, so it's unlikely to happen, but Jacksonville makes way too much sense not to discuss. A whole lot depends on what Eli wants.
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Coughlin connection makes it a worthwhile discussion. Up and coming team, need a game manager. Maras won't just dump him...although I'm not sure how strong their bond is with Coughlin now.
Thrill sees the application of this logic every week. It won't happen.
Eli has a no-trade clause. He'd rather be released and carefully chose his new (and last) team, the same way Peyton left terms with the Colts. He's not uprooting his family to go to Jacksonville. Other than a v talented defense, here's nothing desirable about that team or destination.
Next, Thrilly posits the Jags don't internally view Blake Bortles as a disaster. Sure, the Thrill Ride sure gets a chuckle on Twitter @BortlesFacts.
However: "Eli could be the game manager they're missing" -- Bortles has been that player this year. This is not a particularly talented offense, but they are 6-3 and he's generally protecting the ball.
More important, one of Coughlin's first moves as the Exec was picking up Bortles' 5th-year option for 2018.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000806335/article/why-did-jags-pick-up-blake-bortles-5thyear-option
That article isn't over-flowing with effusive praise of Bortles' game. But according to the economics of the game, the Jags braintrust seems to be taking a measured approach and it's paid off so far this year.
Bottom line. Likeliest scenario. Giants draft a QB and keep Eli in 2018. He either retires or leaves for free agency in 2019.
Great schtick bro
A no-trade clause isn't only so he doesn't get traded. It means he gets to say no. If there is a team interested in him and he wants to win another ring before he retires then he may want to take that shot. Being definitive one way or the other is ridiculous. Nobody knows if he wants to retire, wants to get released, wants to stay with the Giants, etc. A no-trade clause means he gets to say no if he wants to not that he will 100% say no to every other team.
I think they can compete this year. That defense is for real. They have WRs. Westbrook should be back this week. They have a runnint game. Their OL is much improved. I think just having another season under their belt will help. Bortles is obviously their achilles heel right now. Otherwise, they are as talented as just about any other team.
Not too many scenarios where that would be worth it. Who would give up value to take on an over-priced contract and then increase it?
Bortles has been o.k. The fifth year option was a matter of economics. If Blake did well this season without the 5th year option, then he could only be franchise tagged. By picking up the option, it was an approximate $5M savings. The 5th is only guaranteed for injury.
The problem about negotiating a trade is that it takes a while to execute. John Schneider (GM for Seattle) had recently said that they had begun trade talks for Duane Brown back in the preseason while he was holding out. It took almost 2 months to execute a trade for a player that had held out and opening criticized his previous team's owner.
Now, you mentioned the NTC. But trade talks cannot occur until the start of the league year. Doing so before is tampering. Eli has a $5M roster bonus due on the 3rd day. A trade is not likely in 72 hours. Another poster mentioned the dead cap hit in the event of a trade is $12.4M. That dead cap hit doesn't factor into the additional paid roster bonus. A trade can still be worked out after the roster bonus, but that money is guaranteed and does not have to be paid back.
Now, the $5M can be paid as an insurance policy until after the draft to safeguard that the draft falls the Giants way. The $500K workout bonus can be paid as an insurance policy to guard against injury in OTAs and provide competition. If the new draft pick and Webb look competent in the off-season, then a trade or release can still take place.
Now, if Eli is released, then the cap savings can be spread out over 2 years by designating him a June 1st cut. There is no other option for cap savings.
Jax because of the Coughlin relationship makes the most sense but I personally don’t even think it makes much sense for them either. Bortles is nothing great but he’s still very young, they’ve stuck with him and are winning with him. You blow your load on a chance at a 1-2 year run with Eli and you likely aren’t increasing your odds much anyway and you could look up a year down the road and find yourself in desperate straights at QB, begging for a Bortles. If I’m them I stick with Bortles and see if I can draft a QB to unseat him. Eli isn’t worth potentially wrecking your QB room to start from scratch after a year or two.
I've got a bridge to sell you if you think that's an issue. remember the old days of Free Agency where players were being signed within of minutes of the opening bell? It can be the same thing here.
The Giants have to make up their mind before the roster is paid, but otherwise timing is not a problem.
Jax because of the Coughlin relationship makes the most sense but I personally don’t even think it makes much sense for them either. Bortles is nothing great but he’s still very young, they’ve stuck with him and are winning with him. You blow your load on a chance at a 1-2 year run with Eli and you likely aren’t increasing your odds much anyway and you could look up a year down the road and find yourself in desperate straights at QB, begging for a Bortles. If I’m them I stick with Bortles and see if I can draft a QB to unseat him. Eli isn’t worth potentially wrecking your QB room to start from scratch after a year or two.
If you look at the QB situation in Jax, they are in a tough spot. The 5th year option for Bortles is $19M. Any extension for Bortles in the off-season begins with $19M + following year's franchise tag as a signing bonus. Tom will have to decide if he want to hitch the Jags to Blake for a $40M signing bonus (min) and a duration long enough to spread out the cap hit. I don't see them enamored with Blake to make such a commitment. Their other QB is Henne. He is certainly capable as a manager. Not someone you want long term, but he is capable.
Now, BBI doesn't think Eli is worth an $10.5M salary (total cash of $16M) per year. Does anyone actually think Blake is worth $19M? With the Jaguars not having a shot at a top QB prospect, they'll have to decide how to bridge the gap until they can do so. Do they extend Blake? Do they seek out a cheaper proven veteran?
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Coughlin connection makes it a worthwhile discussion. Up and coming team, need a game manager. Maras won't just dump him...although I'm not sure how strong their bond is with Coughlin now.
Thrill sees the application of this logic every week. It won't happen.
Eli has a no-trade clause. He'd rather be released and carefully chose his new (and last) team, the same way Peyton left terms with the Colts. He's not uprooting his family to go to Jacksonville. Other than a v talented defense, here's nothing desirable about that team or destination.
Next, Thrilly posits the Jags don't internally view Blake Bortles as a disaster. Sure, the Thrill Ride sure gets a chuckle on Twitter @BortlesFacts.
However: "Eli could be the game manager they're missing" -- Bortles has been that player this year. This is not a particularly talented offense, but they are 6-3 and he's generally protecting the ball.
More important, one of Coughlin's first moves as the Exec was picking up Bortles' 5th-year option for 2018.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000806335/article/why-did-jags-pick-up-blake-bortles-5thyear-option
That article isn't over-flowing with effusive praise of Bortles' game. But according to the economics of the game, the Jags braintrust seems to be taking a measured approach and it's paid off so far this year.
Bottom line. Likeliest scenario. Giants draft a QB and keep Eli in 2018. He either retires or leaves for free agency in 2019.
Great schtick bro
+2. JAC is the most likely, but even that is farfetched. I don't see Eli waiving his no trade clause.
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Jax because of the Coughlin relationship makes the most sense but I personally don’t even think it makes much sense for them either. Bortles is nothing great but he’s still very young, they’ve stuck with him and are winning with him. You blow your load on a chance at a 1-2 year run with Eli and you likely aren’t increasing your odds much anyway and you could look up a year down the road and find yourself in desperate straights at QB, begging for a Bortles. If I’m them I stick with Bortles and see if I can draft a QB to unseat him. Eli isn’t worth potentially wrecking your QB room to start from scratch after a year or two.
If you look at the QB situation in Jax, they are in a tough spot. The 5th year option for Bortles is $19M. Any extension for Bortles in the off-season begins with $19M + following year's franchise tag as a signing bonus. Tom will have to decide if he want to hitch the Jags to Blake for a $40M signing bonus (min) and a duration long enough to spread out the cap hit. I don't see them enamored with Blake to make such a commitment. Their other QB is Henne. He is certainly capable as a manager. Not someone you want long term, but he is capable.
Now, BBI doesn't think Eli is worth an $10.5M salary (total cash of $16M) per year. Does anyone actually think Blake is worth $19M? With the Jaguars not having a shot at a top QB prospect, they'll have to decide how to bridge the gap until they can do so. Do they extend Blake? Do they seek out a cheaper proven veteran?
They could get a veteran, and then draft Rudolph or Falk.
So basically no way he goes unless someone brings the Brink truck, abd thats not going to happen
We need Eli to groom his successor.
It really depends on the trade compensation. It would basically be the giants paying $12.4 million for draft picks. The question is what would they be offered.