From @PFF_NYGiants: After a disastrous start to 2017, LT Ereck Flowers has improved in pass protection. Since Week 2 he has allowed 0 sacks on 282 pass blocking snaps, the best of any OT in that span. He has allowed 17 pressures over that period.
This should be fun...
4/11 guys on offense I want to see return ... and that’s it
He’s still one of the youngest OTs in the league and is developing into a very good LT. If that happens he was worth the #9 pick.
And he's a fucking war hero from the Polish/American War of 1974. He won the Medal of Dishonor as a Navy SEAL for fuck sake!
Paying Pugh would be a mistake. Can’t stay healthy.
And he's a fucking war hero from the Polish/American War of 1974. He won the Medal of Dishonor as a Navy SEAL for fuck sake!
That guy's still around? I thought he created some weird splinter board?
Future OL can look like
? - ? - Jones/? - Fluker - Flowers
Pugh can pound salt wanting $12m or whatever since he is injured so much.
Now he's better but they still fail.
Cut him...move Hart to LT where he can be the best LT in the NFL also.
Championship !!!!!
When the wreckage is cleared, I agree completely that we may have found a solid RT for this team as we re-emerge in future years.
Maybe he may grow into a solid LT.....but he is a keeper IMHO.
LOL me.
When the wreckage is cleared, I agree completely that we may have found a solid RT for this team as we re-emerge in future years.
Maybe he may grow into a solid LT.....but he is a keeper IMHO.
Yeah, that's one thing I'll give him. He's got heart. For all of his follies, if there's anything this season's proved, heart is the most important thing. I'd rather have Flowers than Jackrabbit.
What has he had, one penalty that I can recall in that span?
He flipped a switch. Impressed.
Oh we're throwing it quickly THIS year.
You can't make this stuff up.
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Still not worth the 9th overall pick in 2015
He’s still one of the youngest OTs in the league and is developing into a very good LT. If that happens he was worth the #9 pick.
I agree. He most certainly is showing he was worth the 9th pick now. He’s improved to the point of being an above average LT. Does he stay there? That’s the question. He can certainly play however. Decent Olinemen in this league are hard to find these days.
Stats do lie - all the time.
He is their best OL right now.
Flowers has improved tremendously. Worthy of the 9 pick? TBD. He's one of the future pieces of the line along with Jones. How they fill the other three spots will be interesting.
Pugh CANNOT be built around. He doesn't play enough. ANd he isn't very good when he does. It's been 5 years. He's not going to get better or healthier.
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His numbers don’t look nearly as bad as he is because we compensate for it by throwing quickly. Anytime we ask him to protect for longer intervals it is a disaster. I am not saying he can’t be useful at another position, but I have seen all I need to see from him at LT. With that said, the kid works hard and has dealt with tons of criticism—so personally I hope he can contribute to the team for years to come, unfortunately, for me, it shouldn’t be at LT.
Oh we're throwing it quickly THIS year.
You can't make this stuff up.
And yes last year Eli was the 3rd least Qb in football and 4th the year before. So, please don’t mind me being a bit skeptical.
He'd be easier to judge on a team where the rest of the OL didn't suck, and the QB was able to hold the ball a more "normal" amount of time.
i.e. How consistently can he protect for 3+ seconds on 5/7 step drop plays with OL teammates who perform their roles satisfactorily. We don't know that, because he's never played in those circumstances.
I think he's gonna be on the team for a while, but I don't know how the Giants could consider paying him "top OLT" money.
You should really spend more time actually watching the games. Flowers is stone walling his man on most plays. They aren’t getting close. He still has his moments where his technique gets sloppy and he gets beat, he’s far from perfect, but please stop with this nonsense that his success is because Eli gets rid of the ball so quickly. There are plenty of plays where that just simply isn’t true. Is it so hard to admit Flowers has played very well? Oh, of course it is. You’ve already made your mind up on him so he’s got no chance with you.
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His numbers don’t look nearly as bad as he is because we compensate for it by throwing quickly. Anytime we ask him to protect for longer intervals it is a disaster. I am not saying he can’t be useful at another position, but I have seen all I need to see from him at LT. With that said, the kid works hard and has dealt with tons of criticism—so personally I hope he can contribute to the team for years to come, unfortunately, for me, it shouldn’t be at LT.
You should really spend more time actually watching the games. Flowers is stone walling his man on most plays. They aren’t getting close. He still has his moments where his technique gets sloppy and he gets beat, he’s far from perfect, but please stop with this nonsense that his success is because Eli gets rid of the ball so quickly. There are plenty of plays where that just simply isn’t true. Is it so hard to admit Flowers has played very well? Oh, of course it is. You’ve already made your mind up on him so he’s got no chance with you.
Unfortunately (given the results) I have spent the time watching every game. It’s the same nonsense every year, last year we had that offensive line guru on twitter tell us how much Flowers had improved. Eli doesn’t get sacked anymore and hold on to the ball for no time, so the fact that he hasn’t let up a sack is off little value. We need to move on from Flowers at LT. I am sick and tired of the same song and dance every year. He has improved, let’s give him one more year to wreck our season. Also, if he has improved so much, shouldn’t we be congratulating Reese for betting on him and not replacing him???!
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His numbers don’t look nearly as bad as he is because we compensate for it by throwing quickly. Anytime we ask him to protect for longer intervals it is a disaster. I am not saying he can’t be useful at another position, but I have seen all I need to see from him at LT. With that said, the kid works hard and has dealt with tons of criticism—so personally I hope he can contribute to the team for years to come, unfortunately, for me, it shouldn’t be at LT.
You should really spend more time actually watching the games. Flowers is stone walling his man on most plays. They aren’t getting close. He still has his moments where his technique gets sloppy and he gets beat, he’s far from perfect, but please stop with this nonsense that his success is because Eli gets rid of the ball so quickly. There are plenty of plays where that just simply isn’t true. Is it so hard to admit Flowers has played very well? Oh, of course it is. You’ve already made your mind up on him so he’s got no chance with you.
Unfortunately (given the results) I have spent the time watching every game. It’s the same nonsense every year, last year we had that offensive line guru on twitter tell us how much Flowers had improved. Eli doesn’t get sacked anymore and hold on to the ball for no time, so the fact that he hasn’t let up a sack is off little value. We need to move on from Flowers at LT. I am sick and tired of the same song and dance every year. He has improved, let’s give him one more year to wreck our season. Also, if he has improved so much, shouldn’t we be congratulating Reese for betting on him and not replacing him???!
One more year to wreck our season? You see, that’s what I’m talking about. If you think Flowers has wrecked this season you are being intentionally ignorant. How the hell has Flowers of all people wrecked this season? Holy smokes. Like I said, you’ve already made your mind up. The guy hasn’t given up a sack since week 2 while playing against some very good DL and he’s wrecked the season. Haha, classic.
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His numbers don’t look nearly as bad as he is because we compensate for it by throwing quickly. Anytime we ask him to protect for longer intervals it is a disaster. I am not saying he can’t be useful at another position, but I have seen all I need to see from him at LT. With that said, the kid works hard and has dealt with tons of criticism—so personally I hope he can contribute to the team for years to come, unfortunately, for me, it shouldn’t be at LT.
You should really spend more time actually watching the games. Flowers is stone walling his man on most plays. They aren’t getting close. He still has his moments where his technique gets sloppy and he gets beat, he’s far from perfect, but please stop with this nonsense that his success is because Eli gets rid of the ball so quickly. There are plenty of plays where that just simply isn’t true. Is it so hard to admit Flowers has played very well? Oh, of course it is. You’ve already made your mind up on him so he’s got no chance with you.
Unfortunately (given the results) I have spent the time watching every game. It’s the same nonsense every year, last year we had that offensive line guru on twitter tell us how much Flowers had improved. Eli doesn’t get sacked anymore and hold on to the ball for no time, so the fact that he hasn’t let up a sack is off little value. We need to move on from Flowers at LT. I am sick and tired of the same song and dance every year. He has improved, let’s give him one more year to wreck our season. Also, if he has improved so much, shouldn’t we be congratulating Reese for betting on him and not replacing him???!
You're wrong. It's got nothing to do with Eli getting the ball out quick because he has been much better in the run game too.
Eli may be getting the ball out quick but Flower's guy is also stonewalled at the LOS. Do you want him to block for 6 seconds?
Now he is a Young starter for 3 yrs at 23, and now he is playing well if we were to put talent around him he may be one of the best.
If this is true.. then I dunno why the OP is bragging about Flowers being good.. Also I am very unimpressed by his run blocking this season.. Flower's fuck-up on run blocks cost us the Philly game..
One or two plays not made by the D sunk this season. The O wasn't ready early on but there was a brief moment against Philly where things looked to be coming together. Then it was done.
One or two plays not made by the D sunk this season. The O wasn't ready early on but there was a brief moment against Philly where things looked to be coming together. Then it was done.
That one quarter in nearly two years of football seems to be the outlier.
I didn't tally it up but you are correct.
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that the OL would not be the reason why this team sucked so bad in 2017. It's the lack of leadership and the collapse of the D that did them in. Also a failure to make a big play in philly when it was sorely needed. Don't like to boil a season down to one or two plays but I wonder how things would have been if the Giants get a stop in Philly late and win that game. I think we'd be in a much different place. Maybe not a playoff year but one that at least resembled normalcy.
One or two plays not made by the D sunk this season. The O wasn't ready early on but there was a brief moment against Philly where things looked to be coming together. Then it was done.
That one quarter in nearly two years of football seems to be the outlier.
True. Just saying you never know how the season would have unfolded if they get that win. You're right though. The O has sucked for a long time now.
I think Flowers has a realistic chance to be the Giants' best left tackle since Jumbo Elliott, or at least since Luke Petitgout. That doesn't make him a Hall of Famer, but it would make him good enough to win with. The rest of the line is a different story.