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Question for all BBIers who want McAdoo gone...

M.S. : 11/13/2017 5:49 am
...what did this guy do (or not do) to lose the team... what actually happened?

What changed with him from last season... how did he change for the worse?

Did he say something to the players (some players) to piss them off?

Have read tons of threads about getting rid of this guy, but I'm no more wise as to what actually happened.

Any insights much appreciated... thanks in advance.


No one outside of organization knows for sure what has happened  
George from PA : 11/13/2017 6:16 am : link
Now, McAdoo did not have much success last year on offense.

Almost, exclusively relied on the defense....

It seems McAdoo blamed the defense this year for it's poor start.....and they got sick of it....as they have been asked to carry load.

Not one aspect of this team is doing well.

It's a result driven game and McAdoo has failed
Throwing your  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/13/2017 6:23 am : link
QB under the bus isn't the smartest thing to do.
RE: No one outside of organization knows for sure what has happened  
M.S. : 11/13/2017 6:32 am : link
In comment 13689104 George from PA said:
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Now, McAdoo did not have much success last year on offense.

Almost, exclusively relied on the defense....

It seems McAdoo blamed the defense this year for it's poor start.....and they got sick of it....as they have been asked to carry load.

Not one aspect of this team is doing well.

It's a result driven game and McAdoo has failed

George from PA... interesting your mentioning the defense at beginning of season. That was my only uninformed guess about what started the mega-implosion. That is, right after Dallas game McAdoo talked about their poor performance (when the offense did zero) and maybe that lit the fuse to a full scale rebellion by the defense, especially the secondary.

If there's any truth to that, then one has to turn back the clock to one minute before the start of the season in Dallas and ask: What had Giants management done in the off-season to change the chemistry/effectiveness of the offensive line? We all know the answer... zip, nada, nothing.

So when the o-line imploded in Game #1, and McAdoo went out of his way to (also) criticize the defense, maybe that roiled the waters more than anyone really knew.

At least that's the theory.
Things go well when your winning,  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 11/13/2017 6:35 am : link
And turrn to shit when your losing. We won a few close games last year and built on that, and confidence was running high. This year we lost a few close ones, and I donít think McAdoo has the experience or personality to bond this team when things arenít going well. Throw in the injuries to our wide receivers certainly didnít help. You find out the true character of coaches and players when things arenít going well.
RE: Throwing your  
M.S. : 11/13/2017 6:38 am : link
In comment 13689108 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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QB under the bus isn't the smartest thing to do.

For sure... but I'm not certain that can explain why a few key defensive players decided to quit. That's the big mystery to me.

IMO, it boils down to one of two things:

(a) McAdoo pissed them off and this is their way of getting back at him;

(b) Defenders saw a lost season right away (soon after embarrassing defeat in Dallas) and they decided why risk one's health in a losing cause.

Or, (c) I don't know what the fuck I am talking about, which is probably the truest thing I've written here!!!
RE: Things go well when your winning,  
M.S. : 11/13/2017 6:41 am : link
In comment 13689113 Tittle 9 20 64 said:
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And turrn to shit when your losing. We won a few close games last year and built on that, and confidence was running high. This year we lost a few close ones, and I donít think McAdoo has the experience or personality to bond this team when things arenít going well. Throw in the injuries to our wide receivers certainly didnít help. You find out the true character of coaches and players when things arenít going well.

Point well taken, Sir! Who knows? Maybe if Brad Wing doesn't shank a couple of punts (like in Philly), the entire dynamic would have changed, and we wouldn't have players quitting on us.

In which case, your argument suggests that as long as things were going "OK", then Ben McAdoo was "OK", but when the team hit some real adversity, the head coach just wasn't up to the task.
Losing. That's what happened.  
NoPeanutz : 11/13/2017 7:03 am : link
How does it go? "Success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan." ?
I think  
joeinpa : 11/13/2017 7:13 am : link
Sometime you need adversity to find out about the quality of a coach.

This coach has been exposed as someone who is not ready to be in his current position.
Well I didn't think we were that great last year, so nothing  
DonQuixote : 11/13/2017 7:16 am : link
really has changed in my opinio.

We have the same horrific offense as last year, despite some better personnel before the injuries set in. Our defense saved the day multiple times last year, and when they saw the unchanged pathetic offense return to the field this season, they just folded it in. It takes a lot to prepare and prepare and have some other team mates (or coaches) not rise to the challenge.

The coaching staff did not have this team prepared to play NFL football in week 1 of the regular season.

So the difference between this and last year is that rather than build on progress, the Giants just entrenched their weaknesses, and the players knew early on that this contender business was all BS. They were not properly prepared, did not have the coaching to prevent the seeping losing attitude, so it took hold. The coaching likely responded very poorly and a feedback resulted as we spiral into suckiness.

FWIW, I was calling out all this talk of the "Giants as contenders" all along. I never expected this pathetic lack of pride, I predicted around 8-8. But the team was not among the class of the league last year, only marginally improved, and had a much tougher schedule. With leadership, this team could turn things around quickly next season.

I am one of those people that see a losing attitude as a cancer, and positive leadership as rare. I would lance the boil and fire the coach right away to allow give the optimists and leaders a leg to stand on ... it is a downer when the cynics are continually proven correct and the positive leaders will be driven underground.
I think it is more  
TrueBlue56 : 11/13/2017 7:35 am : link
Of a matter of a collection of things building to this point and it's still building.

Mcadoo was brought in because he was tabbed essentially an offensive innovator and the offense has been stagnant at best. Yes, the issues with the offensive line is well known, but it goes way beyond that.

The defense played lights out last year and they were put in a lot of bad situations (ie short fields due to turnovers and the offense going 3 and out etc). That has continued this year.

You have mcadoo calling out the defense and Eli manning among others who aren't the main issue while scapegoating those who are the issue.

I also think that mcadoo has had a real problem in communication. The DRC situation is one example. Whatever the reasons for him being pulled from the game prior to his suspension, mcadoo should have communicated that clearly at the time or right after the game. I am not excusing DRC, but I think a lot could have been avoided with better communication.

Not to try and draw a comparison, but one thing any player has ever said who played under TC was that you always knew where you stood with him. He was clear and direct. Mcadoo is not.

Just my 2 cents
I think if I were  
section125 : 11/13/2017 7:40 am : link
Snacks I'd like to pound some of the quitters. He's played hurt this year and never gives up a play.

I haven't actively disliked a Giants head coach since Handley....  
GiantBlue : 11/13/2017 7:41 am : link
like I dislike McAdoo.

The coach can't throw the players under the bus with the media. That means that he doesn't have the relationship with the player or players to speak to them man to man.

This coaching staff and group of players will be infamous for basically making the Giants a laughing stock within the league and spotlight "quitting" outside it.

This team needs a complete renaissance and that will only happen with a complete bloodletting.

I don't see why any season ticket holders would brave the traffic, cold, high prices to go see this bunch of turkeys until those changes are made.

1-15 is clearly realistic.
Let's piece together the first on-field dominoes...  
SHO'NUFF : 11/13/2017 7:58 am : link
1. Offensive Line and BM's failure to properly evaluate it.
2. BM stubbornly insisting on keeping play-calling duties.
3. 11-personnel exclusively with bad O-line, despite upgrades at FB and TE.
4. Constant 3 and outs, leading to defensive exhaustion...

and that's just the start, leading to the defensive dam burst
RE: Let's piece together the first on-field dominoes...  
M.S. : 11/13/2017 8:26 am : link
In comment 13689221 SHO'NUFF said:
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1. Offensive Line and BM's failure to properly evaluate it.
2. BM stubbornly insisting on keeping play-calling duties.
3. 11-personnel exclusively with bad O-line, despite upgrades at FB and TE.
4. Constant 3 and outs, leading to defensive exhaustion...

and that's just the start, leading to the defensive dam burst

Very true!
Agree with some of the above regarding the Defense  
Jimmy Googs : 11/13/2017 8:32 am : link
getting tired of holding things last year and then watching the Offense be a train wreck to start the season. Then losing all the WRs basically was it for those guys...
RE: Things go well when your winning,  
Alan in Toledo : 11/13/2017 8:33 am : link
In comment 13689113 Tittle 9 20 64 said:
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And turrn to shit when your losing. We won a few close games last year and built on that, and confidence was running high. This year we lost a few close ones, and I donít think McAdoo has the experience or personality to bond this team when things arenít going well. Throw in the injuries to our wide receivers certainly didnít help. You find out the true character of coaches and players when things arenít going well.


your=you're?
The defense gave up 189 yards on the freaking ground  
Simms11 : 11/13/2017 9:07 am : link
to one of the worst teams in the league. They also gave up 288 yards in the air and 3 TDs to a guy who is no great shakes. They made him out to look like Joe Montana. Gave up seems to be the right word because they did just that and the Head Coach continues to look dumbfounded. Heís not right for this job. Let him go back to being an assistant on Green Bayís Staff.
I want him gone because he's an offensive coach  
Britt in VA : 11/13/2017 9:10 am : link
and his offense sucks. And it sucked last year, too.
RE: I want him gone because he's an offensive coach  
Sean : 11/13/2017 9:11 am : link
In comment 13689411 Britt in VA said:
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and his offense sucks. And it sucked last year, too.


Britt, to your credit you were right all along about McAdoo.
RE: RE: I want him gone because he's an offensive coach  
Britt in VA : 11/13/2017 9:13 am : link
In comment 13689419 Sean said:
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In comment 13689411 Britt in VA said:


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and his offense sucks. And it sucked last year, too.



Britt, to your credit you were right all along about McAdoo.


People think that I'm some massive homer because they think I'm defending Coughlin or Eli or whatever...

Truth is/was, I was just calling it like I saw it. I actually wanted McAdoo to replace Coughlin, until I saw it on the field.... People tend to leave that out/forget that when ripping me.
Unless they inherit a complete disaster, most coaches get a 1 year  
Ivan15 : 11/13/2017 9:43 am : link
Honeymoon.

Reeves with Giants. sparano with Dolphins. Fox, McDaniels, a long list of others.

The magic disappears after one year. Just like a marriage.
They probably hated him last year too.  
PatersonPlank : 11/13/2017 10:08 am : link
This year they lost a couple of close games up front, things snow-balled a little, McAdoo got even worse, and the team said enough is enough.

In my scenario we are no where near as bad as our record, so a new coach could theoretically turn it around quickly.
You could have just said  
bradshaw44 : 11/13/2017 10:09 am : link
Question for BBIíers.
RE: I want him gone because he's an offensive coach  
BillKo : 11/13/2017 10:56 am : link
In comment 13689411 Britt in VA said:
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and his offense sucks. And it sucked last year, too.


And we've seen this with coaches before......the area they are expertise in doesn't translate. Brian Bellick comes to mind.

But, in the role of HC, you oversee everything and last year it seemed BM could handle it and acutally might be a better head guy than coordinator. The Giants were winning........not pretty but bottom line winning.

This year, he seems lost. No interaction of any sort on the sideline with coaches or players (which I find VERY odd). Not ready to play on opening day versus what was to be your #1 opponent for the division.

RE: Agree with some of the above regarding the Defense  
BillKo : 11/13/2017 10:58 am : link
In comment 13689303 Jimmy Googs said:
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getting tired of holding things last year and then watching the Offense be a train wreck to start the season. Then losing all the WRs basically was it for those guys...


So what happened versus Philly, Tampa, and SD? Those were all winnable games the defense had right in their lap.

I don't buy the defense is pissed........it's a poor excuse. You play hard, and have pride in your unit DESPITE what everyone else is doing. You can at least say we did our part.

But, they've obviously quit.........very sad.
RE: I think  
BillKo : 11/13/2017 11:00 am : link
In comment 13689148 joeinpa said:
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Sometime you need adversity to find out about the quality of a coach.

This coach has been exposed as someone who is not ready to be in his current position.


Spot on.

He looks lost, and defeated.
RE: RE: I want him gone because he's an offensive coach  
Britt in VA : 11/13/2017 11:00 am : link
In comment 13689809 BillKo said:
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In comment 13689411 Britt in VA said:


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and his offense sucks. And it sucked last year, too.



And we've seen this with coaches before......the area they are expertise in doesn't translate. Brian Bellick comes to mind.

But, in the role of HC, you oversee everything and last year it seemed BM could handle it and acutally might be a better head guy than coordinator. The Giants were winning........not pretty but bottom line winning.

This year, he seems lost. No interaction of any sort on the sideline with coaches or players (which I find VERY odd). Not ready to play on opening day versus what was to be your #1 opponent for the division.


Billick never served as the Ravens playcaller, though. McAdoo insisted on calling the plays and therefore needs blame as an offensive coordinator in addition to being the head coach.
RE: Unless they inherit a complete disaster, most coaches get a 1 year  
NoPeanutz : 11/13/2017 1:44 pm : link
In comment 13689536 Ivan15 said:
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Honeymoon.

Reeves with Giants. sparano with Dolphins. Fox, McDaniels, a long list of others.

The magic disappears after one year. Just like a marriage.

Chip Kelly.
I don't know what happened in terms of his relationship with players  
Matt M. : 11/13/2017 1:50 pm : link
But, I will say that even last year I was not enamored with his work as HC. I felt they were 11-5 despite him and even despite Spags. They won 11 games chiefly on the back of the defensive spending spree. almost every move they made last year, including the move of Collins to SS worked out. A lot of those same guys are not playing anywhere near the level they did last year.

As for McAdoo, his strangle hold on the offense last year and into this year was terrible. His in game decisions seemed flawed. The overall gameplans never seemed to adjust to what other teams were doing against them. Some of the personnel decisions I found questionable. And, I wasn't in favor of promoting him to HC in the first place.
Just throwing this out there...  
BamaBlue : 11/13/2017 1:54 pm : link
is it possible that the real problem is that this team has no leader? It seems that the fragile ego's of the Giants couldn't take some pointed criticism. Maybe it's not as much McAdoo as we think...

Is there anyone in this locker room who motivates their teammates and kicks them in the ass when their ego's get in the way? Who is that and where are they? Worried about McAdoo's criticism... isn't it more embarrassing to compile film that shows a core of bad actors(Apple, JPP and Jenkins) giving half-hearted efforts in game-changing situations...
I would argue he was overrated last season.  
an_idol_mind : 11/13/2017 2:01 pm : link
He was a big game from OBJ from starting 2-4, and never solved the issues with the offense.

The team eked out a lot of close wins last year thanks to the defense performing at a level that was arguably above their heads. But the team hasn't gotten the break they did last year, and he doesn't have an answer for their problems.

I think there are certain aspects of being a head coach, such as motivating the whole team, handling the press, and making adjustments to suit the needs of the team, that McAdoo doesn't have yet. And even if he does develop into a good head coach someday, I think he's blown his chance here in New York.
I brought this up in another threads  
LauderdaleMatty : 11/13/2017 2:02 pm : link
1. Very light experience wise. 6 years coaching TEs. 1 year QB coach. OC
2 years. Not exactly a resume to look at and feel he's a guy who really gets the whole game.

2 He sounds like an idiot. Nebulous phrases. Etc. when u win 11 games u get the credit. But those only the blind wanted to pretend it was all the D and specials.

3 when things got bad he was clueless. The Offense added players and kicks and for worse

4 Total opinion but the defense saw the O and him as inept. Spags trying to get cute. They tuned out.
George excellent call good post Sho'Nuff  
Bluesbreaker : 11/13/2017 2:07 pm : link
The defense played there hearts out but towards the end they
started to break JPP going down was the beginning of the end for the season . Offense was along for the ride the entire season and the problems were glaring yet they ran that same crew out there .Three Pro-bowl players and a #1 10th pick of the draft are getting torched because the defensive fix was
a one hit wonder . Going into the season the Giants defense
was a confident group but in the back of there minds they new the offense was gonna struggle they play against them they know. MacHandley is not respected at all and the Dallas game was expected to be the premier game of the season and they got embarrassed . Mac throwing them under the bus did not sit well then all hell broke lose with
the injuries this is a physically and mentally beaten team
DCR is a bit of a flake but he is a damn good player as is Janoris Jenkins who never is boastful always plays hard and
still one of the best CB's in football .
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