Jenkins and JPP are 2 of the biggest problems in this team right now. Jenkins because he is a quitter punk. JPP because he as many predicted shouldn’t have been resigned as he really is not that good. I believe I’m correct in that they would have almost 30 Million in dead money and a cap savings of only 2 Million if they are cut next year. 2019 is only slightly better. Actually , they should be cut today in an ideal world. Even if we get the best GM in football I don’t know what they would or could do. I do know you can’t have a winning team with these dudes on the team. Any thoughts? Would there be any team that would take these guys even for a low level pick? Out of the 2, Jenkins is the better player when he plays, so perhaps. Either way, more holes to fill . Why if we don’t love a QB at the top of the draft we need to trade down and get as many picks as we can
Giants can't cut JPP for the next several years. As you point out, would be cap disaster.
Vernon could be cut for a $5,000,000 cap gain in the offseason
Jenkins could be a cut for a $7,000,000 cap gain
Snacks $2,300,000 gain
and that's without getting into the intricacies of a post june 1st cut.
For all the stick, Reese rightly takes, those big FA contracts were very smartly structured from a cap pov.
Vernon could be cut for a $5,000,000 cap gain in the offseason
Jenkins could be a cut for a $7,000,000 cap gain
Snacks $2,300,000 gain
and that's without getting into the intricacies of a post june 1st cut.
For all the stick, Reese rightly takes, those big FA contracts were very smartly structured from a cap pov.
I should say there's significant dead money if we cut them next year (Harrison: $7,300,000, Vernon: $12,000,000 and Jenkins: $6,000,000), but there's also a decent cap saving (of course you'd need to replace the players with that saving)
$4,750,000 cap saving)
but I suppose it's still wasting a lot of the owners money.
Not going to cut everybody, and if I remember correctly, the team is in a decent spot with the cap.
Rewatch the game.
He was playing like it was a walkthrough.
Otherwise, I am fine taking the cap hit...
section125 : 7:43 am : link : reply
his contract numbers, but I do no see any quit like we are seeing in the DBs. He may not be as effective as he should be, but that does not mean he quit.
Watch the opening play.....how the hell do you not contain on that play? He either quit or he sucks, take your pick....if still not convinced, watch last week's game....he did not get to the qb once last week....this week, we were facing an OL that was 31st in sacks.....JPP could not even sniff a sack.....and on run plays he was being pushed 5 yards downfield.....this is a guy that is going through the motions.....the whole defense has quit......he should be one of the leaders on defense.....you either yell at your team mates, or rule by example.....he does neither.....
This season is one big cluster f*ck.....that 200M one year rental is biting us this year, and next year, in our big blue ass....
Marshall, DRC, Jerry, Harris are obvious subtractions. That’s about $15m right there.
IMO, the cap isn’t in as bad of shape as some would tell you. The roster is in awful shape, but none of these contracts are truly insurmountable objects.
For instance, the JPP contract is upside down in 2018 (negative cap savings by cutting), but if you lump him in with the obvious cuts group, it’s still a net $10m savings.
Resist the urge to evaluate things completely in terms of “dead money”. If a move has net cap savings, it has net cap savings. Consistently high dead cap numbers over a protracted span of years is probably indicative of some sloppy cap management or bad player evaluation (or both), but dead money in a given year or on a given contract isn’t the end of the world.
section125 : 7:43 am : link : reply
his contract numbers, but I do no see any quit like we are seeing in the DBs. He may not be as effective as he should be, but that does not mean he quit.
Watch the opening play.....how the hell do you not contain on that play? He either quit or he sucks, take your pick....if still not convinced, watch last week's game....he did not get to the qb once last week....this week, we were facing an OL that was 31st in sacks.....JPP could not even sniff a sack.....and on run plays he was being pushed 5 yards downfield.....this is a guy that is going through the motions.....the whole defense has quit......he should be one of the leaders on defense.....you either yell at your team mates, or rule by example.....he does neither.....
This season is one big cluster f*ck.....that 200M one year rental is biting us this year, and next year, in our big blue ass....
You have a hard on for him, so what you say is basically irrelevant. I didn't even look at the game until the 3rd quarter when it was 17-13. What I saw is both lines and offense playing, LBs are garbage, CBacks not even trying to disguise quitting.
Apple, Cromartie, and Jenkins were obvious. Collins I think is overplaying and out of position, but could be dogging it - he is the only one I not certain of....
But you are entitled to your opinion and your anger.
section125 : 9:02 am : link : reply
You have a hard on for him, so what you say is basically irrelevant. I didn't even look at the game until the 3rd quarter when it was 17-13. What I saw is both lines and offense playing, LBs are garbage, CBacks not even trying to disguise quitting.
Apple, Cromartie, and Jenkins were obvious. Collins I think is overplaying and out of position, but could be dogging it - he is the only one I not certain of....
But you are entitled to your opinion and your anger
Hard on for JPP? I'm not that kind of guy.....
Just go to NFL.com......watch last week's game and this week's game highlights, and concentrate on JPP......the Opening Play of yesterday's game...if that doesn't convince you, nothing will....