I get that Eli isn't going anywhere, but have to see what you have in Webb. After the KC game when Eli overtakes his brother for consecutive starts, nothing more is owed to him. Fact is Eli hasn't won a playoff game since last Super Bowl championship. More fumbles, more 13-19 point games, he's not putting any offense on his back anymore at this point in his career.
Webb is younger, more athletic, probably has the stronger arm right now, can probably move out of the pocket better, throw a better deep ball, etc.
Nothing more to lose by letting the kid play. So before all you Eli apologists go nuts on me, think it through. If Webb shows something maybe we don't need to spend the 1st round pick on a QB.
And even if he was, the team is in a freefall. I would be detrimental to put any kid into this mess.
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Fact is Eli hasn't won a playoff game since last Super Bowl championship. More fumbles, more 13-19 point games, he's not putting any offense on his back anymore at this point in his career.
like Eli is still throwing to Nicks, Cruz and Manningham, and has Bradshaw and Jacobs for RB's, and while that 2011 OL was in decline, it was much better than what we are trotting out there 6 years later....
But, I agree, if we are getting blown out in games, Eli should sit down, and Webb needs to get his feet wet.....If he does not play, and Smith comes in, that speaks volumes of what the Giants really think of him......
Putting him in the fourth quarter, with the game out of reach, there is no pressure on him to win the game....he just has to go out there and show the talent that he does have....chances are he will be facing prevent defenses....but somehow he has to be assessed in real game action, not by what he does in practice against this poor excuse for a defense.....
No it doesn't. The coach is a f-ing moron. Dress the kid and let him take some live fire. You are never going to get "ready" sitting on the bench.
Your kidding right?
You think they were lying?
You think they were lying?
Yes. The Bears weren't starting Trubisky (sp) this year either. I'm not saying start Webb. I'm saying dress him and let him play some when these games get out of hand. Dressing Gino at this point is idiotic, just like Mac.
I agree somewhat with this. Start throwing him in the 4th qtr or some second halfs...then maybe the last game or two he can get a full start if he play in those second halfs warrants it.
As a side note, other than a few high throws, a couple of clock issues and one very stupid fumble, Eli wasn't terrible. Not what you'd expect from Eli, but I think he's terrified in the pocket and he's got David Carr Syndrome.
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indicated he was a project, and was not ready to see "live fire" for a couple of years.
You think they were lying?
Yes. The Bears weren't starting Trubisky (sp) this year either. I'm not saying start Webb. I'm saying dress him and let him play some when these games get out of hand. Dressing Gino at this point is idiotic, just like Mac.
I'm fine with that, you're fine with that, but if he's not ready, he's not ready.
And it benefits nobody to throw him out there before he's ready, especially with our clown show coach, clown show offensive line, clown show running game, and street free agent WR's.
2. Even if were ready, he would have no line and no receivers.
3. Even if despite #1-2, he somehow still killed it in meaningless December games, would you still pass on a top college QB with our top 3 pick? I would not. nothing wrong with a QB competition next summer.
I will say as Jacksonville barely beat San Diego at home yesterday on a fake punt and then some terrific defense late in 4Q and overtime even as Bortles kept turning the ball over... it's actually a shame those teams couldnt put something together at the deadline a few weeks back. They are going nowhere with Bortles... and give Eli a shot in January and see what happens.
Frankly at this point who gives a shit about what this does to Eli and how he will react? I saw McNabb sat down twice . He was just as good as Eli. Live with it .
Your kidding right?
Yes....the same posters who are saying that our front office and head coach are totally incompetent and need to be immediately removed are also saying we can't play Webb because our coach and front office don't think he's ready.
The fact is NOBODY knows if this kid can handle playing or not until he gets in a game.
For those who say "why would you trust this coaching staff to determine who should start," I ask "why should you trust this GM not to blunder on another 3rd round draft choice?"
Dress Webb and let him play if the game gets out of hand (like versus the Rams).
We rushed for 100 yards, had a QB rating of 113 and still needed garbage time to hit 20 points.
Yet we have a thread saying to bench him and agreement from Les the nincompoop...
Was Eli also playing defense yesterday...?
After that, he'll dress and maybe take some snaps when games get out of hand. Need to see what he can do before the draft.
yes. and we all know that this staff really has a keen eye when it comes to player evaluations.
For those who say "why would you trust this coaching staff to determine who should start," I ask "why should you trust this GM not to blunder on another 3rd round draft choice?"
Because it doesn't hurt anyone to give him snaps. Like his psyche is going to be destroyed? That he is a China doll or made of glass?
He has been playing sports his whole life
But I also understand if the Giants don't even make him active. As someone said, doing so would create a huge story because it would be interpreted as an indication that Eli might be benched. The answer to that of course is just that the depth chart has changed, but people might not accept that conclusion.
Webb might also not be ready. He comes from a spread offense, and therefore took very few snaps under center. The Giants might also decide that they can't learn anything from seeing Webb play in blowouts when the other team is probably not playing as hard as they were earlier in the game.
The real story is that if Webb isn't Eli's heir apparent, then it's just another example of Reese's poor drafting.
Amen. Heard the same shit for 3 years about Ryan Nassib. So good that he's out of football.
Additionally, if the Giants opted not to draft Darnold or Rosen because Davis Webb threw a few TD passes against Washington in front of 20,000 people in a meaningless December game, we're even more fucked than we think.
Additionally, if the Giants opted not to draft Darnold or Rosen because Davis Webb threw a few TD passes against Washington in front of 20,000 people in a meaningless December game, we're even more fucked than we think.
Completely, totally agree...........
Additionally, if the Giants opted not to draft Darnold or Rosen because Davis Webb threw a few TD passes against Washington in front of 20,000 people in a meaningless December game, we're even more fucked than we think.
Yep. Eaxactly right. You don't pass on a shot at a fracnchise QB to succeed Eli for the Davis Webbs of the world.
Darnold may stay in school, and the Browns will probably draft Rosen.
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at the amount of time that was spent clamoring for Davis freaking Webb. It's unreal. Eli's the one veteran whose out there still competing, and we want to hand him a clipboard? Give Janoris Jenkins the clipboard. How easy would it be for Eli to walk into the trainer's room this week and complain of some back or shoulder injury, thus avoiding the inevitable beating he's gonna take at the hands of the Kansas City defense this weekend? But nope, he'll be the first one in the building preparing, and the last one to leave. I'd rather the Engrams, Shepards, Flowers, Tomlinsons, etc. follow his lead.
Additionally, if the Giants opted not to draft Darnold or Rosen because Davis Webb threw a few TD passes against Washington in front of 20,000 people in a meaningless December game, we're even more fucked than we think.
Completely, totally agree...........
See I disagree. We need to look at Webb. If he shows potential, and the team thinks he can be a good starter in this league, then why use our precious first pick on another QB who may not be better than what we have? Thats stupidity really, when we have holes at RB, OL, LB, and now likely DB. Obviously if Webb looks more like a Nassib than an Eli, then we know that and do try to draft a QB (if we think they will eventually be good).
There is no guarantee that guys like Rosen will make it and be top QB's. They are still college seniors and have a lot of growing to do. Every draft over 50% of the first rounders bust, so to just move forward assuming that Darnold will be a top NFL QB soon isn't reality either. At least with Webb we have a guy who lit it up at Cal, and now can see him for a year against NFL competition.
Going to extremes to make your point is weak minded
But I also understand if the Giants don't even make him active. As someone said, doing so would create a huge story because it would be interpreted as an indication that Eli might be benched. The answer to that of course is just that the depth chart has changed, but people might not accept that conclusion.
Webb might also not be ready. He comes from a spread offense, and therefore took very few snaps under center. The Giants might also decide that they can't learn anything from seeing Webb play in blowouts when the other team is probably not playing as hard as they were earlier in the game.
The real story is that if Webb isn't Eli's heir apparent, then it's just another example of Reese's poor drafting.
- The experts also said Watson was not ready; never played under Center, way too inaccurate, yadda, yadda
- IMO Webb is unusually mature (as was Watson), has come into new situations and performed well in the past
- NO ONE IS SUGGESTING NOT STARTING ELI. However he has to realize the 2nd 1/2 of this year and next year are mentoring years. Keep the string going this year. There will be a new coaching staff and BU QBs next year and decisions can be made then. Eli continues to do good things, but his immobility, especially in today's game is starting to hurt.
- Even if Gino is "better" than Davis at this point; Gino has no future with the team. Give the youngster a uniform and for the good of the franchise start evaluating what you have.
That said, why use such a high draft pick on a developmental QB without at least seeing him play for, say, four quarters over a few games to see how quickly he matures?
Of course, there's a real possibility that the Giants have an all-new offensive scheme next year (because no McAdoo) so evaluating Webb in the current offense would carry a few caveats.
The season was over a long time ago. See what he can do. There is no downside to this.
The season was over a long time ago. See what he can do. There is no downside to this.
You mean "heavy handed" practice right?
The season was over a long time ago. See what he can do. There is no downside to this.
Exactly. The arguments against are flat out stupid....He isn't ready. He is getting paid is he not? Fuck ready. This is the NFL...show me. The streak...Fuck personal accomplishments. Be loyal to Eli...Eli got his chance because we benched a HoF QB. This is about information. We need more to know about Webb BEFORE THE FUCKING DRAFT BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE A TOP 5 PICK.
That said, yes put Webb in at half time to give him some reps. Our first pick in the 2018 draft must be well thought out. Need to eval Webb before that draft!