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Owners May Force Forfeiture of Cowboys?

gidiefor : Mod : 11/13/2017 9:29 am
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Posted by Mike Florio on November 12, 2017, 10:06 PM EST

When it comes to the lingering dispute regarding the Roger Goodell contract extension, much has been written and said about the potential nuclear option possessed by Cowboys owner Jerry Jones. But the rest of the owners (or, more accurately, those who oppose Jones) have a nuclear option of their own.

They could, in theory, attempt to trigger forfeiture of the Dallas franchise.

A league source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that multiple owners already have been discussing the possibility, which flows from Article VIII of the NFL’s Constitution & Bylaws. Specifically, Section 8.13 authorizes the Commissioner to determine that an owner “has been or is guilty of conduct detrimental to the welfare of the League or professional football.” If the Commissioner believes the available sanction (a $500,000 fine) is “not adequate or sufficient,” the Commissioner may refer the issue to the NFL’s Executive Committee, which has the power to compel “[c]ancellation or forfeiture of the franchise in the League of any member club involved or implicated,” with a directive to sell the team....


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That would be hilarious.  
Britt in VA : 11/13/2017 9:30 am : link
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Damn it..  
Tom from LI : 11/13/2017 9:36 am : link
we would get a win for that game if it happened.
Regardless of what I think of the Cowboys  
ThreePoints : 11/13/2017 9:37 am : link
This would be a colossally dumb decision.
As much as I hate Jones  
bradshaw44 : 11/13/2017 9:37 am : link
That would be a disaster for the nfl.
Have  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/13/2017 9:38 am : link
not been following this closely but on the surface this seems to be a war between Jones and Goodell, with the former believing that the commissioner is killing the league. If that is true - as much as I hate the Cowboys - I'm with Jones on this.
This seems  
pjcas18 : 11/13/2017 9:38 am : link
likely
They should do it...  
trueblueinpw : 11/13/2017 9:39 am : link
Jones has his own ax to grind with the commissioner and so he holds up the entire league? How will that play out in the long run for this and every future NFL commissioner? And let's be honest (taking a page from Mr. Burns) the NFL commissioner is already "impotent as a Nevada boxing commissioner".

Jones is a horrible person, total spoiled child.
RE: Have  
bradshaw44 : 11/13/2017 9:39 am : link
In comment 13689506 Eric from BBI said:
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not been following this closely but on the surface this seems to be a war between Jones and Goodell, with the former believing that the commissioner is killing the league. If that is true - as much as I hate the Cowboys - I'm with Jones on this.


Many are saying he wants Goodell gone because of the Elliot fiasco and not the other league issues.
I side with Jones, too.  
SHO'NUFF : 11/13/2017 9:40 am : link
But if this happens, I'll become a Cowboys fan LOL
BTW  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/13/2017 9:40 am : link
I can't remember ever seen a Bears-Packers game with the stands more than half empty.
Can they require Jerrah to stay on as Cowboys GM  
mfsd : 11/13/2017 9:42 am : link
in perpetuity and have him go back to making all personnel decisions?
there is absolutely no way they're going to do that  
Greg from LI : 11/13/2017 9:44 am : link
Cmon. For Roger fucking Goodell's useless ass, they're going to the mattresses and force Jerruh out? Don't make me laugh.
Goodell asking for $50 mil, lifetime private jet and health care  
SHO'NUFF : 11/13/2017 9:44 am : link
is ridiculous. I'm glad I didn't attend yesterday's game. The ticket prices, parking and miserable idiots at the game just makes me want to stay away.
So they (NFL) never removed Al Davis  
NNJ Tom : 11/13/2017 9:46 am : link
but Jerrah makes a little noise and they want to ditch him?

Jerrah is an easy target for Giants fans (and he loves that by the way, FWIW). But the guy is a first rate businessman and has made Billions for the NFL.

This could be the dumbest move they could make.
NFL has become a mirror of high society  
dune69 : 11/13/2017 9:46 am : link
It's all about the money and power. Get your popcorn, this could take awhile.

Is there a way to see Goodell and Jerry Jones take the pipe together?
RE: BTW  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 11/13/2017 9:47 am : link
In comment 13689521 Eric from BBI said:
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I can't remember ever seen a Bears-Packers game with the stands more than half empty.


You keep referring to people in the stands as your mark. The priced normal people out of the stadium. That's an owners decision not a commissioner.

The biggest problem is they don't compete well with overall entertainment anymore. I'd much rather binge watch a Netflix show then watch 2 games I could careless about because I really don't have a rooting interest in them. I will however watch college football all Sunday, because my teams fate is tied to teams that could win or lose above mine AND the games are much more fun to watch.
Sunday = Saturday  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 11/13/2017 9:48 am : link
in my previous post.
RE: Goodell asking for $50 mil, lifetime private jet and health care  
njm : 11/13/2017 9:50 am : link
In comment 13689540 SHO'NUFF said:
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is ridiculous. I'm glad I didn't attend yesterday's game. The ticket prices, parking and miserable idiots at the game just makes me want to stay away.


If this is the cause of the rift I'm with Jones. Goodell doesn't have a dime of his own money invested in the NFL and walked into a situation at least as good as the present. I wonder what he would do if the owners offer him an extension at $20 million per year. If he turned it down my guess is someone at least as competent as him would take the deal.
RE: RE: Have  
UConn4523 : 11/13/2017 9:50 am : link
In comment 13689515 bradshaw44 said:
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not been following this closely but on the surface this seems to be a war between Jones and Goodell, with the former believing that the commissioner is killing the league. If that is true - as much as I hate the Cowboys - I'm with Jones on this.



Many are saying he wants Goodell gone because of the Elliot fiasco and not the other league issues.


It may play a part but Goodell absolutely botched the kneeling issue and it has to be hurting JJ's wallet. His handling of Kaepernick has been catastrophic.
RE: RE: BTW  
Greg from LI : 11/13/2017 9:50 am : link
In comment 13689551 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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You keep referring to people in the stands as your mark. The priced normal people out of the stadium. That's an owners decision not a commissioner.


People keep saying that, and yet I don't recall seeing empty stadiums all over the place a few years ago. It's not as if prices were reasonable until this year.
gotta hand it to Goodell. Not many people on this planet have the  
Victor in CT : 11/13/2017 9:53 am : link
talent to make people side with Jerry Jones on ANYTHING!
While I assume the likelihood of this happening approaches zero,  
Mad Mike : 11/13/2017 9:55 am : link
it would be spectacular.
The league  
David B. : 11/13/2017 9:57 am : link
is not going to dump its most profitable franchise. Like it or not, Dallas is the most valuable franchise is professional sports, and they sell the most merch. And the ONLY thing that matters in the NFL is money.

Hate to say it, but I too agree Goodell is ruining the game. It would be interesting to have someone with a different perspective running things.

I wonder where Kraft stands on this. He used to be very pro-Goodell, but that was before getting butt-raped by him on Deflate Gate. One day he's protesting the hell out of the league decision saying he was going to fight it. The next day, he's suspiciously dropping the matter completely.
I'm confused...  
BillKo : 11/13/2017 9:59 am : link
what Goddell was supposed to do with the kneeling issue?

He essentially works for the owners, and the owners (for the most part) seemed to support the players. There were a few that didn't (Jones, Texans' owner).

If Goodell said all players need to stand at attention, you might have had a bigger issue.........right now it's still on 1-2% of the players.
Agree  
AcidTest : 11/13/2017 10:01 am : link
with Jones. Goodell is a disaster.
I have to admit  
jtfuoco : 11/13/2017 10:02 am : link
I trust Jerry on this topic more then I would most of the other owners the guy is a world class business man and the compensation that Roger wants is beyond crazy.
just our luck this costs us a higher draft pick  
gtt350 : 11/13/2017 10:12 am : link
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RE: RE: RE: BTW  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 11/13/2017 10:13 am : link
In comment 13689565 Greg from LI said:
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You keep referring to people in the stands as your mark. The priced normal people out of the stadium. That's an owners decision not a commissioner.



People keep saying that, and yet I don't recall seeing empty stadiums all over the place a few years ago. It's not as if prices were reasonable until this year.


It's not happening to teams where the team is good. We have an empty stadium because we stink. The Niners had stunk since they opened their new stadium. Rams have stunk in the past, but I think their attendance will get better now that they are getting better.

I'm sure the Patriots still sell out or are near capacity every game.
The NFL is a disaster right now...with CTE, anthem mess, etc.  
GiantBlue : 11/13/2017 10:13 am : link
Goodell doesn't deserve a renewed contract.

The next CBA negotiations are going to lead to a lock-out.

The salary cap if anything will start going down.
I have watched the least amount of football  
sb2003 : 11/13/2017 10:22 am : link
this season than ever. Too expensive, too many rules and way too much drama (bad drama). It's become an expensive soap opera/ugly reality TV show.

Just like the Giants need changes maybe the league does to.
RE: Have  
giants#1 : 11/13/2017 10:23 am : link
In comment 13689506 Eric from BBI said:
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not been following this closely but on the surface this seems to be a war between Jones and Goodell, with the former believing that the commissioner is killing the league. If that is true - as much as I hate the Cowboys - I'm with Jones on this. was wrong to suspend Elliott.


Fixed it for you.
Take the team away from Dallas  
Motley Two : 11/13/2017 10:40 am : link
and give it to the players. Let them have a seat at the table, tie profits their pensions/medical insurance/ect. Pair it with hospital/charity/sports medicine/research.

Incentive for players to care about the larger welfare of the league and not just their individual contracts.

Create program within org. that helps with former players to transition into coaching & front office positions.

If a bunch of people with cheese bricks on their heads can own a team, then players whose talents/work & risk are the actual product, then they should be in ownership too.
RE: Take the team away from Dallas  
njm : 11/13/2017 10:45 am : link
In comment 13689751 Motley Two said:
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and give it to the players. Let them have a seat at the table, tie profits their pensions/medical insurance/ect. Pair it with hospital/charity/sports medicine/research.

Incentive for players to care about the larger welfare of the league and not just their individual contracts.

Create program within org. that helps with former players to transition into coaching & front office positions.

If a bunch of people with cheese bricks on their heads can own a team, then players whose talents/work & risk are the actual product, then they should be in ownership too.


Are you seriously suggesting that a billion + dollar asset simply be taken away from the owner that purchased it? Those people with cheese bricks on their heads PAID for their shares.
They will drop Goodell in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean  
HomerJones45 : 11/13/2017 10:46 am : link
before they will take an owner's franchise. He's not that popular.
Just how has Goodell  
section125 : 11/13/2017 10:47 am : link
ruined the league that was making record profits? And we know this because the CAP is rising every year.

JJ is pissed because Elliot got suspended. The anthem thing is on the owners - they are the bosses and Goodell works for them. It is obvious that a percentage of the fans are disgusted on the kneeling thing, but people are still showing up.

We don't like Goodell because of London games, Thursday Night Football and some weak handling of domestic abuse situations. But just what is it that JJ doesn't like?
RE: RE: Take the team away from Dallas  
Motley Two : 11/13/2017 10:50 am : link
In comment 13689767 njm said:
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and give it to the players. Let them have a seat at the table, tie profits their pensions/medical insurance/ect. Pair it with hospital/charity/sports medicine/research.

Incentive for players to care about the larger welfare of the league and not just their individual contracts.

Create program within org. that helps with former players to transition into coaching & front office positions.

If a bunch of people with cheese bricks on their heads can own a team, then players whose talents/work & risk are the actual product, then they should be in ownership too.



Are you seriously suggesting that a billion + dollar asset simply be taken away from the owner that purchased it? Those people with cheese bricks on their heads PAID for their shares.


And the players can PAY for theirs.
This is not about Goodell against Jones  
greatgrandpa : 11/13/2017 10:50 am : link
Goodell does what he is told by the owners. He is their front man in all respects. The owners wanted Thursday football and European football and Mexican football and Fantasy Leagues making the NFL even richer (Paul Hourning and Alex Karras were suspended from the league for a similar offense) so he negotiated top dollar for the contracts they wanted. Result - He made them even richer so they were happy with the money and with him. Hence the extension. It would not surprise me if the private plane stuff is coming from someone close to Jones.

As someone said above its always about the money - The owner's commodities (called the players) do not have guaranteed contracts in perhaps the most violent sport outside of the Roman Colleseum. Owners could easily expand the salary cap and add more players and take less profit but that will not happen. The leagues PR machine goes into overdrive for any troubling issue (eg domestic violence? Look at our "public service announcements" brain injuries? No relationship to the hits but "We created a great fund for some of the players") OK bring out our frontman to explain all of this! Now we have Jones who has always wanted more advertising money for himself from his team who he thinks IS the NFL while the other owners traditionally have agreed to share equally going back to the Mara and Halas families. This is about many of the owners sick of Jones (as we all are). Billionaires v Billionaires. How much money is enough? As the old saying goes - "Who do you root for?" The plague
Goodell already gets 30 a year.  
NoPeanutz : 11/13/2017 10:56 am : link
What other job on planet Earth could he get where he could make that kind of money? The owners should just offer him 20 and tell him to take it or leave it. He has no leverage, so hard to understand his position.
RE: RE: RE: Take the team away from Dallas  
njm : 11/13/2017 11:00 am : link
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and give it to the players. Let them have a seat at the table, tie profits their pensions/medical insurance/ect. Pair it with hospital/charity/sports medicine/research.

Incentive for players to care about the larger welfare of the league and not just their individual contracts.

Create program within org. that helps with former players to transition into coaching & front office positions.

If a bunch of people with cheese bricks on their heads can own a team, then players whose talents/work & risk are the actual product, then they should be in ownership too.



Are you seriously suggesting that a billion + dollar asset simply be taken away from the owner that purchased it? Those people with cheese bricks on their heads PAID for their shares.



And the players can PAY for theirs.


Oh really? They can come up with cash and debt based financing in the billions?
As smug as I feel  
McLovin28 : 11/13/2017 11:18 am : link
Goodell is a lot of this is on the owners. The owners have been greedy for a very long time and the NFL was due for a market correction. The owners have more control over the anthem kneeling than Goodell does. The suspending of players is on Goodell. The rules where we don't know what a catch is and the ridiculous replays is on the rules committee.
I also feel the consumer is changing and we have a lot more entertainment options that we'd rather consume. I feel if the make going to a game a more affordable experience that is where you're going to attract more of the younger generation. I went to my first Giants game with my dad 28 years ago and remember it like it was yesterday. I took my fiancée to the Broncos game this year (I live in Denver now) and probably dropped over $500 on the two of us. That's ridiculous to do that week in and week out. The game needs to be returned to the people if it's going to survive.
fuck jones....  
GMAN4LIFE : 11/13/2017 11:24 am : link
again.. move the team to the NFC South and let Jerry world burn to the ground
RE: RE: RE: RE: Take the team away from Dallas  
Motley Two : 11/13/2017 11:29 am : link
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and give it to the players. Let them have a seat at the table, tie profits their pensions/medical insurance/ect. Pair it with hospital/charity/sports medicine/research.

Incentive for players to care about the larger welfare of the league and not just their individual contracts.

Create program within org. that helps with former players to transition into coaching & front office positions.

If a bunch of people with cheese bricks on their heads can own a team, then players whose talents/work & risk are the actual product, then they should be in ownership too.



Are you seriously suggesting that a billion + dollar asset simply be taken away from the owner that purchased it? Those people with cheese bricks on their heads PAID for their shares.



And the players can PAY for theirs.



Oh really? They can come up with cash and debt based financing in the billions?


Caps @ 167mil this year X 32 teams. Even without every team right at the cap, a lot of money is payed each year and it adds up quick. Of course lots of structuring & percentages would have to be figured out and there is still revenue sharing across all teams. They could get a loan.

Im with Jerry  
Manning10 : 11/13/2017 12:48 pm : link
in this fight...for the good of the Game
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njm : 11/13/2017 12:54 pm : link
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and give it to the players. Let them have a seat at the table, tie profits their pensions/medical insurance/ect. Pair it with hospital/charity/sports medicine/research.

Incentive for players to care about the larger welfare of the league and not just their individual contracts.

Create program within org. that helps with former players to transition into coaching & front office positions.

If a bunch of people with cheese bricks on their heads can own a team, then players whose talents/work & risk are the actual product, then they should be in ownership too.



Are you seriously suggesting that a billion + dollar asset simply be taken away from the owner that purchased it? Those people with cheese bricks on their heads PAID for their shares.



And the players can PAY for theirs.



Oh really? They can come up with cash and debt based financing in the billions?



Caps @ 167mil this year X 32 teams. Even without every team right at the cap, a lot of money is payed each year and it adds up quick. Of course lots of structuring & percentages would have to be figured out and there is still revenue sharing across all teams. They could get a loan.


You're buying a team, an asset worth billion(s), a whole lot more than what the team's annual salary expense is. In some cases you're buying a stadium. What you propose doesn't even begin to deal with that.

The game  
PaulN : 11/13/2017 2:02 pm : link
Has never been worse, the product stinks. I no longer can watch other games and really enjoy them anymore. So I have to agree with Jones on this, he is ruining the game itself.
110% in the Jones camp  
Bluesbreaker : 11/13/2017 2:27 pm : link
Have
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9:38 am : link : reply
not been following this closely but on the surface this seems to be a war between Jones and Goodell, with the former believing that the commissioner is killing the league. If that is true - as much as I hate the Cowboys - I'm with Jones on this.
RE: This is not about Goodell against Jones  
Greg from LI : 11/13/2017 2:31 pm : link
In comment 13689794 greatgrandpa said:
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Goodell does what he is told by the owners. He is their front man in all respects.


People say this all the time, and maybe it's true that he's just a puppet, but.....if he's nothing more than a puppet, what the hell are they paying him tens of millions of dollars for? They could trot out some other empty suit for much less.
I just  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/13/2017 2:32 pm : link
saw a news report that Goodell wants $50 million per year and lifetime access to a corporate jet.
Only time I'll say this but #TeamJerryJones  
DennyInDenville : 11/13/2017 2:34 pm : link
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RE: Have  
Blue21 : 11/13/2017 2:40 pm : link
In comment 13689506 Eric from BBI said:
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not been following this closely but on the surface this seems to be a war between Jones and Goodell, with the former believing that the commissioner is killing the league. If that is true - as much as I hate the Cowboys - I'm with Jones on this.


Have to agree Eric....some of the things Goodell has been asking for in his new contract that heard on the radio today are outrageous. Can't believe the other owners would go along with it.
Eric...also heard he's asking for free healthcare insurance  
Blue21 : 11/13/2017 2:44 pm : link
I believe for life also. Talk about greed. He thinks he's a king.
RE: Eric...also heard he's asking for free healthcare insurance  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/13/2017 2:46 pm : link
In comment 13690421 Blue21 said:
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I believe for life also. Talk about greed. He thinks he's a king.


Yes, I think that was in the report too.
RE: I just  
njm : 11/13/2017 2:47 pm : link
In comment 13690394 Eric from BBI said:
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saw a news report that Goodell wants $50 million per year and lifetime access to a corporate jet.


Pay me that and I'll change my name to Howdy Doody.
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