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Rick Neuheisel: Baker Mayfield is the top college QB.

Beezer : 11/13/2017 10:55 am
Neuheisel was on the Dan Patrick Show earlier.

Among things he said, he placed Mayfield at the top of his list at this point. Said the guy is a worker, a leader, has the edge you want and he's hungry as hell.

Talked about Rozen, too. Said he has the tools you want a young QB to have, but also said he's not sure that football is "as important" to Rozen as it might need to be.

Said he isn't convinced Rozen would come in with a pure focus on having a Hall of Fame career, while he said he believes Mayfield would be that, and then some.

Just wanted to share.
I want to get a Carson Wentz  
I Love Clams Casino : 11/13/2017 11:00 am : link
is he close to that?

A comfortable pocket passer, strong arm, easily extends the play, can run, accurate, smart, big, passion for the game, etc etc
I'm a Bake guy  
RetroJint : 11/13/2017 11:01 am : link
In solid without qualification .
No  
jeff57 : 11/13/2017 11:04 am : link
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I love Mayfield  
Jay on the Island : 11/13/2017 11:11 am : link
I don't think the Giants will take him because of his height. I think they are more likely to target a guy like Allen and his huge upside.
Baker - Drew Bree's with legs  
GMen23 : 11/13/2017 11:20 am : link
I've been an Eli apologists for a couple years now. Reese has been screwing this up, not giving one of the best ever pocket passers an Offensive line for years now. How did Zach look last night (with Mobility) without Tyron Smith?

But I don't see us drafting top 5 again for a while. Throw out Russell and maybe Zach, and who is winning without a Lottery QB?

I thought for sure we have one more ring from Eli, and we might still.
But you have to take advantage of this opportunity, for the next 15 years. 2018 has been projected for 2 years as one of the best ever QB classes.

The others, may look the part, but what is the prototypical QB moving forward. Baker Mayfield is special. I would take the shot.
His highlight reel is pretty impressive  
JFIB : 11/13/2017 11:20 am : link
Moves well in the pocket and can throw on the run. Not afraid to put his head down and get the yards he needs when he tucks it and runs. Has fire and a really good play fake. I know I'm ready to draft a new QB and would be happy if it were this guy based on what I've seen so far.
I like him as a college QB but for the Giants....  
est1986 : 11/13/2017 11:21 am : link
No. I'm not big on Rosen either but I think Sy'56 likes Rosen a lot. I want the RB Barkley honestly. But as far as QB's go, Darnold isn't going to win Heisman or meet the media's preseason expectations but he has all the tools I want the QB to have he looks like a stud.
RE: I love Mayfield  
AcidTest : 11/13/2017 11:30 am : link
In comment 13689844 Jay on the Island said:
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I don't think the Giants will take him because of his height. I think they are more likely to target a guy like Allen and his huge upside.


Agreed. One common denominator about the Giants, especially Reese, is that they draft a lot of "high ceiling," "low floor" players. That isn't to say that Allen isn't talented. He has a John Elway like arm, and can flick it downfield with just his wrist like Marino. He's also incredibly mobile. He lost about 45 TDs worth of production from last year, and is also constantly running for his life.

He did hurt his arm on Saturday, and I wonder if the Giants would use a top five pick on a QB from Wyoming.

Rosen is more pro ready, but Allen has a greater skill set. Rosen also has his own concerns.

If Darnold stays in school, the Browns will probably take Rosen. That would leave the Giants with Allen or Mayfield. My guess is that they would take Allen, unless they decided to stay with Webb.
RE: Baker - Drew Bree's with legs  
cokeduplt : 11/13/2017 11:34 am : link
In comment 13689869 GMen23 said:
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I've been an Eli apologists for a couple years now. Reese has been screwing this up, not giving one of the best ever pocket passers an Offensive line for years now. How did Zach look last night (with Mobility) without Tyron Smith?

But I don't see us drafting top 5 again for a while. Throw out Russell and maybe Zach, and who is winning without a Lottery QB?

I thought for sure we have one more ring from Eli, and we might still.
But you have to take advantage of this opportunity, for the next 15 years. 2018 has been projected for 2 years as one of the best ever QB classes.

The others, may look the part, but what is the prototypical QB moving forward. Baker Mayfield is special. I would take the shot.


Who is Zach?
Darnold  
Archer : 11/13/2017 11:36 am : link
I think that despite his poor season that Darnold profiles as the best pro QB.

He has all the skills. He can run, he is big and strong, has a great release, can make all the throws, and is very accurate.
I love Mayfields game  
gmen9892 : 11/13/2017 11:36 am : link
I just dont know if its going to translate into the NFL. Hes a smaller guy that makes plays with his legs. In a spread, "Air Raid" offense. Not sure how he will play under center and he is not going to be able to run away from everyone in the NFL like he does in the Big 12, which is notorious for its bad defense.
This QB class is massively overrated.  
Powerclean765 : 11/13/2017 11:41 am : link
Give me Bradley Chubb or Quenton Nelson. Hopefully we are picking #1 and can trade down and still get 1 of those 2.

Ive already done a thread on Nelson, Chubb is a blue chip DE. You only get a chance to get these guys at the beginning of their careers one way - at the very top of the draft.
Russell Wilson  
Kyle in NY : 11/13/2017 11:42 am : link
is what you hope he can become. I'm a bit biased because I watched him light up my team, Ohio State, but I'm a fan. He can do a lot back there and brings the mobility I think we need.

Wonder if we can get him in round 2
RE: This QB class is massively overrated.  
PatersonPlank : 11/13/2017 11:47 am : link
In comment 13689928 Powerclean765 said:
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Give me Bradley Chubb or Quenton Nelson. Hopefully we are picking #1 and can trade down and still get 1 of those 2.

Ive already done a thread on Nelson, Chubb is a blue chip DE. You only get a chance to get these guys at the beginning of their careers one way - at the very top of the draft.


agree. I think Webb is as god as any of the top QB's.
Plank - yup.  
Powerclean765 : 11/13/2017 11:50 am : link
And I think Eli can still play, too. In a real scheme.
Love watching Mayfield play, but . . . .  
TC : 11/13/2017 11:58 am : link
he's going to need to play in the right system and be handled the right way. If he is, he has a shot at being a great NFL QB. I.e., it's very unlikely the Giants would want to change enough things to be that kind of team.

Just found this on Wikipedia, and while it may be nothing, I just hope Mayfield doesn't wind up being Johnny Football Part II.

"On February 25, 2017, Mayfield was arrested in Washington County, Arkansas on public intoxication and fleeing charges.[34] The charges included public intoxication, disorderly conduct, fleeing and resisting arrest. At 2:29 a.m. that Saturday, a police officer was flagged down on an assault and battery report. The person who flagged the officer was yelling at Mayfield. The preliminary police report described Mayfield as unable to walk straight, having slurred speech and food covering the front of his shirt. When he was asked to stay so the police could get a statement, Mayfield began shouting obscenities and "causing a scene". Mayfield was booked at 8:21 a.m. local time on the misdemeanor charges. He had a court date on April 7 for the public intoxication charge, he pleaded not guilty to all charges.[35] On June 15, 2017, the University of Oklahoma ordered Mayfield to undergo 35 hours of community service along with completing an alcohol education program."

Could just be kid crap, but if there's any other hint it's an established problem, he'd be a big mistake.
Resisting arrest is kid stuff?  
Vanzetti : 11/13/2017 12:06 pm : link
I donít think so. I was a heavy drinker in college. Never resisted arrest and never had anyone flag down a police officer on me: sounds like an asshole.

What about this guy  
SomeFan : 11/13/2017 12:13 pm : link
UKGiantsFan likes this guy a lot. Seems similar to Mayfield but maybe a little bigger.
Will Grier - ( New Window )
Just ask the Browns  
pjcas18 : 11/13/2017 12:14 pm : link
when you have a chance at the franchise QB you take the QB, fuck this DE, trade down (which is ridiculous in Giants land) or RB crap.

Do you think maybe the Browns are wishing they took Carson Wentz or DeShaun Watson (obviously without the injury) right now? Well they have Myles Garrett.

The Texans have other injuries too, but look at their team since Watson was injured yet they still have Jadeveon Clowney.

RE: Just ask the Browns  
Powerclean765 : 11/13/2017 12:42 pm : link
In comment 13690027 pjcas18 said:
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when you have a chance at the franchise QB you take the QB, fuck this DE, trade down (which is ridiculous in Giants land) or RB crap.

Do you think maybe the Browns are wishing they took Carson Wentz or DeShaun Watson (obviously without the injury) right now? Well they have Myles Garrett.

The Texans have other injuries too, but look at their team since Watson was injured yet they still have Jadeveon Clowney.


Perfectly reasonable stance but Iím of the camp that thinks Webb is just as good a prospect as these QBs. And I still think Eli can play. If we didnt have Webb Iíd agree.
RE: Just ask the Browns -EXACTLY!  
GMen23 : 11/13/2017 12:43 pm : link
In comment 13690027 pjcas18 said:
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when you have a chance at the franchise QB you take the QB, fuck this DE, trade down (which is ridiculous in Giants land) or RB crap.

Do you think maybe the Browns are wishing they took Carson Wentz or DeShaun Watson (obviously without the injury) right now? Well they have Myles Garrett.

The Texans have other injuries too, but look at their team since Watson was injured yet they still have Jadeveon Clowney.


I LOVE ELI, but he's 37 January 3rd. You can't pass on a potential Franchise Quarterback. Or do we have to be reminded of pre- Eli, or pre Phil Simms.
If they Giants don't fix the oline whomever is playing qb doesn't  
SterlingArcher : 11/13/2017 12:44 pm : link
stand a chance!
I guess Iím arguing that I just dont see  
Powerclean765 : 11/13/2017 12:46 pm : link
that slam dunk franchise QB in the draft. All have warts & none stand out over a 2nd year Webb who showed promise in preseason & continues to learn from Eli.
RE: I guess Iím arguing that I just dont see  
pjcas18 : 11/13/2017 12:50 pm : link
In comment 13690102 Powerclean765 said:
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that slam dunk franchise QB in the draft. All have warts & none stand out over a 2nd year Webb who showed promise in preseason & continues to learn from Eli.


If that's the case (you do not believe any of the QB's available when you pick are future franchise QB's) then of course you have options, but it's the one position on the field I'd get strongly behind trading up for as opposed to letting the draft unfold.
M. Rudolph  
lugnut : 11/13/2017 12:52 pm : link
This guy is never in our discussion.

Was like the 8th or 9th rated QB out of HS, and my understanding has been rock steady at OK State. 6'5", 230 for the size queens. Never seen him play. Input anyone?
He seems like he throws a very accurate ball  
Reb8thVA : 11/13/2017 12:55 pm : link
and has a little shake and bake capability to extend plays.
I like this kid  
Jeever : 11/13/2017 12:59 pm : link
He's a natural born leader, gets the job done and is a proven winner.

But first we need to scrap the front office as well as the west coast offense and get back to Giants football, i.e. Smashmouth Football. The requires addressing both the OL and DL. If you do not control the line of scrimmage on either side of the ball you're not going to win when it counts.
I watch a lot of Big 12 games, and have seen OK St many times  
PatersonPlank : 11/13/2017 1:00 pm : link
The issue is there is no defense played in the Big 12, all the QB's look great because they have all day to throw and the WR's are wide open. Ok ST vs Ok ended 62-52. Reading defenses, throwing with the accuracy needed in the NFL, etc., are not necessary in the Big 12. Look at all the QB draft busts from OK St, OK, Texas Tech, UT, and Baylor as proof. Even Josh Freeman from Kansas ST. Vince Young and Colt McCoy from UT.

I'm not sure any of the Big 12 QB's are that good frankly. For example, every year Texas Tech has a QB lighting it up as does West Virginia, yet these guys almost never make it (we'll see about Mahommes).
RE: I guess Iím arguing that I just dont see  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/13/2017 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13690102 Powerclean765 said:
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that slam dunk franchise QB in the draft. All have warts & none stand out over a 2nd year Webb who showed promise in preseason & continues to learn from Eli.


This was said before the 2016 draft. Goff and Wentz were drafted 1 and 2. It's possible both of them may finish in the top 5 voting for MVP this season.

This was said before the 2017 draft. Watson was taken 12. Had he stayed healthy, who knows what the Texans season could have been.

Maybe these "scouts" that are evaluating these QB's recently are shitty?

It's as if "scouts" can't seem to evaluate a guy unless he's John Elway, Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning where it's so obvious you can't help but notice.
Again though I will caution  
pjcas18 : 11/13/2017 1:05 pm : link
99% of "us" know nothing. Even the "experts" with their mock drafts know nothing.

10 years ago today, Andre Woodson was a first round pick and Brian Brohm was a can't miss franchise QB.

Until teams closely examine these guys releases, mechanics, footwork, etc. conduct interviews, watch post-season all-star games, and have the combine, it's all semi-meaningless and then you see who is actually coming out for the draft.

RE: I watch a lot of Big 12 games, and have seen OK St many times  
Dave in Buffalo : 11/13/2017 1:14 pm : link
In comment 13690149 PatersonPlank said:
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The issue is there is no defense played in the Big 12, all the QB's look great because they have all day to throw and the WR's are wide open. Ok ST vs Ok ended 62-52. Reading defenses, throwing with the accuracy needed in the NFL, etc., are not necessary in the Big 12. Look at all the QB draft busts from OK St, OK, Texas Tech, UT, and Baylor as proof. Even Josh Freeman from Kansas ST. Vince Young and Colt McCoy from UT.

I'm not sure any of the Big 12 QB's are that good frankly. For example, every year Texas Tech has a QB lighting it up as does West Virginia, yet these guys almost never make it (we'll see about Mahommes).


But PP, TCU is Big 12, and he just lit them up.
Link - ( New Window )
I forgot to mention that TCU is ranked 13 in the nation  
Dave in Buffalo : 11/13/2017 1:15 pm : link
in defense.
This guysa pretty darn good QB and a real competitor ....  
Simms11 : 11/13/2017 1:22 pm : link
Heís the type of guy that can will a team to win. Heíd put the team on his back and so in addition to his skill and athleticism, heís got great intangibles which have be be a huge consideration too.
I think the too short argument for a QB is quite stupid  
NoGainDayne : 11/13/2017 1:24 pm : link
does anyone have any hard statistics on this? I would be interested in real numbers if anyone has a source.

Increasingly i'm liking Mayfield and wanting to see him in Giants blue and trying to seriously access the risks. Sure there are less short QBs, You even heard worries about Watson at 6'3. But as I put some deeper thought into it do short QBs flame out at a hire rate really? Wilson and Brees are two of the top QBs in the NFL. Sure there are more tall QBs perhaps for no other reason than it's hard to see over the line and if you are smaller getting tackled by 250-300 pound people consistently probably shortens your shelf life.

That being said, if you can perform with these disadvantages doesn't that say more about your intangibles than anything? In terms of sheer numbers there are more tall QBs that have been successful but no doubt many more have failed in the NFL after being drafted. For every Eric Crouch there are a great many Ryan Leaf's or Mark Sanchezes. This perceived problem for short QBs could be the result of poor actual data analysis. Are there any real numbers to back it up? Do short QBs have a higher bust rate. If anything they may in fact posses a deeper value because you can grab them later in the draft vs. those with prototypical size.

Dave Brown was tall  
Heisenberg : 11/13/2017 1:37 pm : link
very tall
The more I watch and think about Allen  
chopperhatch : 11/13/2017 1:59 pm : link
The more I want him. Smaller school guy with great physical size, athletic ability rocket arm. Just like Roetglisberfer and Wentz. Kid apparently has that "I dont give a fuck" attitude where the only catch is you could wind up with Big Ben's success or Romo's failure.

I like the idea of grabbing a beast like that and having him and Webb compete for Eli's old job. If we had the choice between him and Darnold, it wpuld be just like arguing Big Ben v. Eli all over again. I think I would lean towards Darnold, but would be thrilled with Allen too. Really want no part of Mayfield or Jackson. Those guys are going to be injured all the time.
RE: RE: This QB class is massively overrated.  
The_Boss : 11/13/2017 2:09 pm : link
In comment 13689947 PatersonPlank said:
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Give me Bradley Chubb or Quenton Nelson. Hopefully we are picking #1 and can trade down and still get 1 of those 2.

Ive already done a thread on Nelson, Chubb is a blue chip DE. You only get a chance to get these guys at the beginning of their careers one way - at the very top of the draft.



agree. I think Webb is as god as any of the top QB's.


Sy'56 disagrees. Webb isn't on their level.
Boss: Noted. Its football: everyone disagrees about everything.  
Powerclean765 : 11/13/2017 2:17 pm : link
Im sure Syí56 would be the first to tell you heís wrong all the time. Its part of the game. I disagree with him a lot and this is one of those times.
count me as another person who would be wary of a Big XII QB  
Greg from LI : 11/13/2017 2:41 pm : link
There have been a bunch of highly regarded quarterbacks drafted out of that conference with gaudy numbers in recent years, and none of them really panned out. They really play no defense at all in that conference.
RE: RE: RE: This QB class is massively overrated.  
Modus Operandi : 11/13/2017 2:44 pm : link
In comment 13690329 The_Boss said:
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In comment 13689928 Powerclean765 said:


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Give me Bradley Chubb or Quenton Nelson. Hopefully we are picking #1 and can trade down and still get 1 of those 2.

Ive already done a thread on Nelson, Chubb is a blue chip DE. You only get a chance to get these guys at the beginning of their careers one way - at the very top of the draft.



agree. I think Webb is as god as any of the top QB's.



Sy'56 disagrees. Webb isn't on their level.


So would most other people, because it's an absurd statement.
Mayfield  
Giant John : 11/13/2017 3:09 pm : link
Would be my pick. Sack Reese now
RE: count me as another person who would be wary of a Big XII QB  
Kyle in NY : 11/13/2017 3:12 pm : link
In comment 13690416 Greg from LI said:
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There have been a bunch of highly regarded quarterbacks drafted out of that conference with gaudy numbers in recent years, and none of them really panned out. They really play no defense at all in that conference.


Understood, and we'll see more when they potentially are in the playoff this year. But he also walked into Columbus and lit up a pretty good Ohio State defense (the Iowa debacle last week not withstanding)
RE: Resisting arrest is kid stuff?  
SHO'NUFF : 11/13/2017 3:24 pm : link
In comment 13690004 Vanzetti said:
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I donít think so. I was a heavy drinker in college. Never resisted arrest and never had anyone flag down a police officer on me: sounds like an asshole.


Eli was cited for intoxication in college.
RE: I think the too short argument for a QB is quite stupid  
chopperhatch : 11/13/2017 3:29 pm : link
In comment 13690229 NoGainDayne said:
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does anyone have any hard statistics on this? I would be interested in real numbers if anyone has a source.

Increasingly i'm liking Mayfield and wanting to see him in Giants blue and trying to seriously access the risks. Sure there are less short QBs, You even heard worries about Watson at 6'3. But as I put some deeper thought into it do short QBs flame out at a hire rate really? Wilson and Brees are two of the top QBs in the NFL. Sure there are more tall QBs perhaps for no other reason than it's hard to see over the line and if you are smaller getting tackled by 250-300 pound people consistently probably shortens your shelf life.

That being said, if you can perform with these disadvantages doesn't that say more about your intangibles than anything? In terms of sheer numbers there are more tall QBs that have been successful but no doubt many more have failed in the NFL after being drafted. For every Eric Crouch there are a great many Ryan Leaf's or Mark Sanchezes. This perceived problem for short QBs could be the result of poor actual data analysis. Are there any real numbers to back it up? Do short QBs have a higher bust rate. If anything they may in fact posses a deeper value because you can grab them later in the draft vs. those with prototypical size.


So you're point is that out of 32 NFL teams, 2 have considerably short QBs and that the vast vast VAST majority of short NFL QBs do not make it in the NFL? You also seem to try and equivocate that with the fact that most teams go for taller QBs and that the majority of taller QBs also fail? Brilliant.

Considering the VAST majority of QBs that are successful are 6'3 and taller, I am going to go ahead and lean towards the tall boys.

Lets look at the qbs of the last 15 Super Bowls:

Tom Brady- 6'4
Matt Ryan- 6'4
Cam Newton- 6'5
Peyton Manning- 6'5
Russell Wilson- 5'11
Joe Flacco- 6'6
Colin Kaepernick- 6'4
Eli Manning- 6'4
Aaron Rodgers- 6'2
Ben Roethlisberger- 6'5
Drew Brees- 6'0
Matt Hasselback- 6'4
Donovan McNabb- 6'2
Jake Delhomme- 6'2
Brad Johnson- 6'5
Rich Gannon- 6'3
Kurt Warner- 6'2
Kerry Collins- 6'5
Trent Dilfer- 6'4
Steve mcnair- 6'2
John elway- 6'3
Chris Chandler- 6'4
Brett Favre- 6'2
Troy Aikman- 6'4
Neil O'Donnell- 6'3

I went 20 just to further my point. 2 QBs 6' or under in the past 20 years have played in the super bowl. Thats pretty damning. Gimme the beef.

I love Baker Mayfield  
Bluesbreaker : 11/13/2017 3:52 pm : link
He is everything you want in a QB I just can't judge how
he will play in the NFL if for some reason we took him
I wouldn't be upset but I am entrenched in the Barkley
sweepstakes there is a certain kind of special in him really
the last guy I felt that way about was Herschel Walker but
Zeke Elliott was another . Glad we did.t take that jack ass
Personally I would go for Chubb at 3  
Mike in NY : 11/13/2017 3:56 pm : link
And take a QB in Round 2. Someone is bound to fall there. Look at what Raiders did with Derek Carr (if you don't want to go back to Chargers and Drew Brees).
Another thing  
Bluesbreaker : 11/13/2017 4:02 pm : link
Would you trade down and grab Chub ? He is a monster .
End up with an extra pick help the O-line get the best
center in the draft Richberg is not working out .
Mayfield is the top college QB...  
bw in dc : 11/13/2017 4:07 pm : link
Doesn't mean he's the top pro prospect.

The best prospect, I think, is Josh Allen - from a physical standpoint. The guy has a great release and can easily make every throw on the planet. It's just so hard to determine how much the lack of talent at Wyoming is the reason for his ordinary year. If you think he's coach-able, trust his attitude, and see a high ceiling, this is your guy...
Iíve been saying  
NikkiMac : 11/13/2017 4:08 pm : link
Mayfield is the top QB coming out although wouldnít mind Darnell either imo they are the top 2 qbs ...... as far as RB what about Derrick Anderson also from OU this guy is lighting it up and also Guise fromLSU Iím not sold on Barkley at rb for a high draft choice think that would be a mistake !!!!
RE: RE: I think the too short argument for a QB is quite stupid  
NoGainDayne : 11/13/2017 4:29 pm : link
In comment 13690497 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 13690229 NoGainDayne said:


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does anyone have any hard statistics on this? I would be interested in real numbers if anyone has a source.

Increasingly i'm liking Mayfield and wanting to see him in Giants blue and trying to seriously access the risks. Sure there are less short QBs, You even heard worries about Watson at 6'3. But as I put some deeper thought into it do short QBs flame out at a hire rate really? Wilson and Brees are two of the top QBs in the NFL. Sure there are more tall QBs perhaps for no other reason than it's hard to see over the line and if you are smaller getting tackled by 250-300 pound people consistently probably shortens your shelf life.

That being said, if you can perform with these disadvantages doesn't that say more about your intangibles than anything? In terms of sheer numbers there are more tall QBs that have been successful but no doubt many more have failed in the NFL after being drafted. For every Eric Crouch there are a great many Ryan Leaf's or Mark Sanchezes. This perceived problem for short QBs could be the result of poor actual data analysis. Are there any real numbers to back it up? Do short QBs have a higher bust rate. If anything they may in fact posses a deeper value because you can grab them later in the draft vs. those with prototypical size.




So you're point is that out of 32 NFL teams, 2 have considerably short QBs and that the vast vast VAST majority of short NFL QBs do not make it in the NFL? You also seem to try and equivocate that with the fact that most teams go for taller QBs and that the majority of taller QBs also fail? Brilliant.

Considering the VAST majority of QBs that are successful are 6'3 and taller, I am going to go ahead and lean towards the tall boys.

Lets look at the qbs of the last 15 Super Bowls:

Tom Brady- 6'4
Matt Ryan- 6'4
Cam Newton- 6'5
Peyton Manning- 6'5
Russell Wilson- 5'11
Joe Flacco- 6'6
Colin Kaepernick- 6'4
Eli Manning- 6'4
Aaron Rodgers- 6'2
Ben Roethlisberger- 6'5
Drew Brees- 6'0
Matt Hasselback- 6'4
Donovan McNabb- 6'2
Jake Delhomme- 6'2
Brad Johnson- 6'5
Rich Gannon- 6'3
Kurt Warner- 6'2
Kerry Collins- 6'5
Trent Dilfer- 6'4
Steve mcnair- 6'2
John elway- 6'3
Chris Chandler- 6'4
Brett Favre- 6'2
Troy Aikman- 6'4
Neil O'Donnell- 6'3

I went 20 just to further my point. 2 QBs 6' or under in the past 20 years have played in the super bowl. Thats pretty damning. Gimme the beef.


I'm sorry but I think you missed my point and I specifically asked for hard numbers on bust rate relative to draft position. You are drawing conclusions without the proper data which is the exact kind of cursory non-scientific analysis that I've seen harped on time and time again.

Let's just draw the line at 6 feet and use you metric super bowl appearances. Do you know the average and/or median number of super bowl appearances for QBs that are 6 feet or below and above? You can't look at the total number as the indicator because the number of QBs above 6 feet is much larger meaning the sheer number of success stories will be higher but that is also true for busts. The ratio is the question. I bet if you cut that number down to those that also played in training camp as QBs (which Mayfiled undoubtably will) and the numbers would be even better.

I'm not saying I know this answer. Perhaps I'll look into it later this week. But you have not provided anywhere close to sufficient evidence to disprove my thesis that success RATE as an NFL QB relative to draft position is more favorable for QBs above 6 feet.

Sam Darnold would be my pick,  
barens : 11/13/2017 6:02 pm : link
and then Rosen. Mayfield, we will see once the college football playoffs start. I'm not ready to crown him as the best QB in college football right now.
that NC State kid can play  
CromartiesKid21 : 11/13/2017 6:50 pm : link
if Darnold doesnt come out and Rosen goes #1 overall I like him 2nd/3rd round
All I know is I don't want Reese, Ross, or Chris Mara ...  
Boy Cord : 11/13/2017 8:23 pm : link
... involved with the 2018 draft.
He is too small  
Elite Mobster #32 : 11/13/2017 8:53 pm : link
for Giants
TC  
old man : 11/13/2017 9:21 pm : link
Re Mayfields arrest.
Didn't Elisha have an 'embarrassing' issue also?
Height?
Put him in WWE style 2 inch lift shoes. Tell NFL its to correct a foot condition.
Giants wont take him.
And that's the 2nd time I heard about Rosens Cutler attitude toward football. While he may be the best and may end up great you also may be drafting a Marinovich or Leaf.
RE: RE: Just ask the Browns  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/13/2017 10:15 pm : link
In comment 13690089 Powerclean765 said:
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when you have a chance at the franchise QB you take the QB, fuck this DE, trade down (which is ridiculous in Giants land) or RB crap.

Do you think maybe the Browns are wishing they took Carson Wentz or DeShaun Watson (obviously without the injury) right now? Well they have Myles Garrett.

The Texans have other injuries too, but look at their team since Watson was injured yet they still have Jadeveon Clowney.




Perfectly reasonable stance but Iím of the camp that thinks Webb is just as good a prospect as these QBs. And I still think Eli can play. If we didnt have Webb Iíd agree.


Even if he is chances are he still is not a franchise qb. You still take the QB, develop both. Hope 1 becomes the guy. If that saves decades of searching its worth it.

Even if he is cha
The Ohio State game was impressive,  
barens : 11/14/2017 12:37 pm : link
but when the game was on the line against Iowa State, the results weren't so great.

I'm looking forward to seeing how he fares in the college football playoffs, assuming Oklahoma is in. I think if he presents himself well against a team like Alabama, then he will not doubt propel himself into the top QB taken in next years draft.
The Giants will  
You'reMyBoyBlue!! : 11/14/2017 2:23 pm : link
not and should not draft a 6 ft tall QB with a top 3 pick.

It's just way too big of a gamble.
Darnold is 20 years old...  
Torrag : 11/14/2017 5:52 pm : link
...has been the top gun at every level his entire life. He's got everything you want except the experience only time can bring. He is the top QB prospect in this class and his career to date warrants the #1 overall pick. If he's available and we pass on him we'll regret it for the next 15-20 years.
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