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(Hypothetical) Phil Simms in an executive role.

Chris684 : 11/13/2017 11:08 am
Boomer was discussing this idea earlier today on his show.

It got me thinking, with his now reduced role at CBS as studio analyst, few have had a closer look at the league over the last decade and with his ties to the organization, I wonder if something like this is possible.

One thing I like is the perspective he brings to the situation at QB that this franchise currently finds itself in. The twilight of Eli's career, the evaluation of Webb, the evaluation of these top draft picks.

I would also like the connection and organizational roots like Coughlin in Jacksonville or Elway in Denver.

Would there be mutual interest between Simms/NYG? What do you all think?

IMHO That would be a great idea!  
GiantBlue : 11/13/2017 11:11 am : link
Similar to Jacksonville bringing in Coughlin to be a special advisor (wink wink), maybe Simms can get Parcells to come out and fill a similar role.

I would trust Parcells to clean this house of the malcontents and Simms to do a very good job reestablishing the "Giants" way.
Boomer brought this up  
joeinpa : 11/13/2017 11:15 am : link
Weeks ago on Inside The NFL but it was about being GM.

I thought it was a legitimate idea and brought it up at that time on one of these threads. Didn t get any real action
I actually think this is a very interesting idea  
cosmicj : 11/13/2017 11:19 am : link
The analogy I would apply is John Elway and the Broncos. Esteemed leader of the franchise who has won the pelts. Not an NFL front office lifer but someone who is closely involved in the league with a strong philosophy and undoubtable commitment to his franchise.

One difference is that I've always thought Simms was smarter than Elway. An intrigiung suggestion.
RE: I actually think this is a very interesting idea  
BigBlueShock : 11/13/2017 11:22 am : link
In comment 13689866 cosmicj said:
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The analogy I would apply is John Elway and the Broncos. Esteemed leader of the franchise who has won the pelts. Not an NFL front office lifer but someone who is closely involved in the league with a strong philosophy and undoubtable commitment to his franchise.

One difference is that I've always thought Simms was smarter than Elway. An intrigiung suggestion.

Elway graduated from Stanford with a degree in economics. He's a pretty smart dude.
What experience does Simms have on the financial side?  
njm : 11/13/2017 11:26 am : link
And what experience, outside of QB, does he have in player evaluation beyond his television commentary? Great guy, but it sounds like a bad fit.
RE: RE: I actually think this is a very interesting idea  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 11/13/2017 11:28 am : link
In comment 13689876 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 13689866 cosmicj said:


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The analogy I would apply is John Elway and the Broncos. Esteemed leader of the franchise who has won the pelts. Not an NFL front office lifer but someone who is closely involved in the league with a strong philosophy and undoubtable commitment to his franchise.

One difference is that I've always thought Simms was smarter than Elway. An intrigiung suggestion.


Elway graduated from Stanford with a degree in economics. He's a pretty smart dude.


He also runs a really successful car dealership in SoCal. He learned how to construct his players deals similarly to his car deals, which give him some ways to get out of bad contracts.

Don't hate the idea of Simms, but he doesn't have that background.
Simms...with Abrams staying on as the CAP Guy  
GiantBlue : 11/13/2017 11:31 am : link
It would give Simms the confidence to make the deals.
Simms would be awful  
pjcas18 : 11/13/2017 11:32 am : link
IMO, in any type of executive role, he butchered the NFL rules, butchered the players names, butchered the English language, and was about as informative as a speed bump in his analyst role.

Maybe make him some type of team ambassador if you want where you allow his name to stay out there as a link to the past and some great Giants days of long ago, but in a role where he can't do any damage.

Seems like a nice guy, I wouldn't let him run my fantasy football team, let alone a real team.
Simms has a bad read on Aaron Rodgers....  
BillKo : 11/13/2017 11:33 am : link
not that a football guy can miss on one player.......

I don't think Phil would want the position anyway IMO.
You can ignore my comment about Elway  
cosmicj : 11/13/2017 11:35 am : link
I have a lot of respect for the guy and it's an impression from seeing his interview. The point is that Simms is clearly an intelligent and thoughtful guy.

For me, the key question from now until January is whether the owners are going to replace their existing organizational leaders with NFL hires with successful resumes or alternatively shake up the foundation of the franchise with one guy who is going to remold it. Hence, all the discussions of Harbaugh, who would fit that mold. This Simms suggestion is along those lines. I have no idea whether Simms has that sort of leadership potential.
You guys are really loyal to Giants greats  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2017 11:49 am : link
What exactly qualifies Phil Simms for an executive role? You'd very well be handing the job to someone who is unqualified, which is the exact thing we get endless threads on when the guy isn't a Giant lifer.

Besides Elway's Stanford degree and car dealer experience he also ran an arena team before getting the Broncos job.
Terrible idea  
Larry in Pencilvania : 11/13/2017 12:19 pm : link
For every Elway there's a Marino who lasted all of one day
I think its a great idea  
PatersonPlank : 11/13/2017 12:24 pm : link
I'm sure there is some role that he could really add value in.
We have gone from fantasy football  
Doomster : 11/13/2017 12:26 pm : link
to fantasy GM.....Have you listened to Phil on Showtime? the guy has lost it, and you want him to be a GM?
I see that as a disaster waiting to happen  
Matt M. : 11/13/2017 12:26 pm : link
I don't think he has anywhere near the experience to be a GM either from the evaluation side or the financial side. It's funny, the last few years of him calling games, he was getting ripped more and more for not adding anything of value, not seeming like the brightest bulb, etc. Now, all of a sudden, the future of the franchise should be put in his hands?
Wasn't Phil the guy who thought  
David B. : 11/13/2017 12:54 pm : link
Tavaris Jackson was going to be a Great QB?

No Executive positions without qualifications, please.
I might have the biggest man-crush on Phil of anyone here...  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/13/2017 1:04 pm : link
...and I still think this is a silly idea. Aside from Phil having little relevant experience, consider the arc of his broadcasting career. In recent years, he has appeared increasingly out of touch and unprepared. That doesn't bode well for a job that requires total immersion.

I guess he could be an Accorsi-style GM: the guy who schmoozes the media with stories about the old days, and occasionally makes a road trip to scout QBs, while his staff does the heavy lifting. I think the rebuild of this team calls for a different work ethic from the top guy in the front office.
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arcarsenal : 11/13/2017 1:08 pm : link
If Simms hadn't been the player he was for the Giants and been under center for the most dominant team we've had, no one would be suggesting this.

It's silly.
Sure, let's give the guy who just GOT DEMOTED  
mikeinbloomfield : 11/13/2017 1:12 pm : link
the key to the kingdom. There's a reason Simms is in the studio, and it's not because they're saving him for the playoffs.

I'd be fine hiring him as a QB coach or something, but there is no evidence Simms would do well in the front office.
What has Simms done to earn a role in the FO?  
Jay on the Island : 11/13/2017 1:43 pm : link
He has no experience.
This smacks  
Bleedin Blue : 11/13/2017 3:46 pm : link
Of Andy Robustelli hiring as GM, enough of bringing in guys from the past, go out and get a real GM and let him hire his new staff!
Good idea  
mrvax : 11/13/2017 3:49 pm : link
I've also wondered if Parcells would come back as a consultant. He could work a lot from home. Simms is a bright guy.
A capologist could show Simms the math and accounting...  
bw in dc : 11/13/2017 3:58 pm : link
of the cap. So any concern there should be easily solved.

The real test would be his ability to evaluate talent (college and pro) and to pitch the Jints brand to players & agents. I don't know about the salesmanship skill, but I think I've heard enough to think he has a good eye for talent.

If you want to go a former player route, why not kick the tires on Collinsworth? He's smart, is a data geek (owner of PPF), and knows the league...
RE: A capologist could show Simms the math and accounting...  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2017 6:24 pm : link
In comment 13690578 bw in dc said:
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of the cap. So any concern there should be easily solved.

The real test would be his ability to evaluate talent (college and pro) and to pitch the Jints brand to players & agents. I don't know about the salesmanship skill, but I think I've heard enough to think he has a good eye for talent.

If you want to go a former player route, why not kick the tires on Collinsworth? He's smart, is a data geek (owner of PPF), and knows the league...


They’ve never been executives.

There’s a reason they both went to media and not the front office

Giving announcer Phil Simms a prominent front office job  
FJ : 11/13/2017 10:19 pm : link
Would be about as wise as a team hiring announcer Matt Millen to be general manager.
Phil  
One Man Thrill Ride : 11/13/2017 10:46 pm : link

Ol' #11  
Giants_ROK : 11/13/2017 10:48 pm : link
really loves that Bigelow Tea, doesn't he?
RE: Giving announcer Phil Simms a prominent front office job  
arcarsenal : 11/13/2017 10:55 pm : link
In comment 13691410 FJ said:
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Would be about as wise as a team hiring announcer Matt Millen to be general manager.


Hey, at least the Lions knew what they were getting when they hired Millen...

Wide Recievers!
RE: I might have the biggest man-crush on Phil of anyone here...  
One Man Thrill Ride : 11/13/2017 11:22 pm : link
In comment 13690160 Big Blue Blogger said:
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...and I still think this is a silly idea. Aside from Phil having little relevant experience, consider the arc of his broadcasting career. In recent years, he has appeared increasingly out of touch and unprepared. That doesn't bode well for a job that requires total immersion.

I guess he could be an Accorsi-style GM: the guy who schmoozes the media with stories about the old days, and occasionally makes a road trip to scout QBs, while his staff does the heavy lifting. I think the rebuild of this team calls for a different work ethic from the top guy in the front office.


Anyone who isn't "in football" is silly.

Think about the scope of a GM's responsibilities. The 'G' and the 'M' together stand for General Manager, which encompasses ...everything: front office construction, the scouting department, the pro personnel department, the draft and free agency, self-scouting and talent retention, contract negotiations, CBA compliance, final-53, in-season roster management, etc etc etc. And, most relevant to us, hiring a head coach.

Having an "eye for talent" (which is a very generous assumption for Phi or an ex-player) falls far, far short of the skills necessary to be an effective or even functional GM. All the successful, sustained GMs have uniformly spent a lifetime "in football" (not watching it on TV) to build the right organizational skills, leadership qualities, and connections. It's a big, big job -- only the entire infrastructure of the organization.

"John Elway won a Super Bowl." Thrill Ride posits he'll eventually be a cautionary tale. All he did was sign big names in free agency and strike out year after year in the draft. And now the totality of those mistakes is evident in a sinking Broncos team who lost to the 1-8 Giants.

Btw their QB process under "eye for QB talent" Elway? Peyton -> Osweiler -> Peyton - > offer $72 mill for Brock?? -> Paxton Lynch in the 1st rd -> Siemien -> Brock again
One Man Thrill Ride  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/13/2017 11:51 pm : link
Your handle reminds me of this guy who guys by the same name. Huge wrestling douche on YouTube.
RE: One Man Thrill Ride  
One Man Thrill Ride : 11/14/2017 12:27 am : link
In comment 13691498 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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Your handle reminds me of this guy who guys by the same name. Huge wrestling douche on YouTube.


He is not a douche. A truly hilarious performer. His video prior to the alumni baseball game? Top notch stuff. He invented a very funny, original character and it's too bad the gimmick didn't catch on at high levels or pro wrestling.
Are people aware that Parcells  
Tuckrule : 11/14/2017 6:47 am : link
Failed in Miami terribly? Phil Jackson anyone??
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