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Is McAdoo a Leader?

TC : 11/13/2017 2:07 pm
This might well appear a rhetorical question with an obvious answer, and it is in one sense. But I've read more than a few comparisons between Parcells and McAdoo saying in effect that they're very similar at the same time in each one's respective career. And while they were both young, and both had to deal with adversity early in their careers, I don't think they could be more different.

I'm not blind to Parcells' faults and mistakes he made throughout his career, but underneath the obvious and any scripted remarks there was always the sense that there was some there, there. That he was a consistently tough man who was authentic when dealing with players, ownership or the press and possessed of a core integrity for the game and dealing with those in it.

You might not agree with him, you might not like him, you might even hate his guts, but 100% of the time you were going get authentic Bill Parcells and not a lot of platitudes and B.S. irrespective of whether you're a player or the press. And ultimately, at some level you had to respect him.

And without respect, you can not be a leader.


Here is your obvious answer to your rhetorical question  
Route 9 : 11/13/2017 2:12 pm : link
No
Nope  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/13/2017 2:12 pm : link
.
He looks more like  
moespree : 11/13/2017 2:15 pm : link
The person you'd expect to show up at your house when needing an HVAC technician than any type of leader.
He could be perhaps ....  
Beer Man : 11/13/2017 2:16 pm : link
But he is a long way away as of now
Is he a leader?  
djstat : 11/13/2017 2:16 pm : link
Perhaps. But any good leader tweeks their style just enough to get buy in from their troops. TC did it in 2007.
What?  
Painless62 : 11/13/2017 2:18 pm : link
How is that even a thought? Not a good coach and obviously a fail as a leader
Right now, he's failing as a leader.  
an_idol_mind : 11/13/2017 2:18 pm : link
You don't see an entire unit just quit like that if you have a leader as head coach.

The Giants have had some awful seasons recently, but the majority of players kept playing hard despite the limitations of the roster and coaching.

You have to go back to 2003 to see this kind of non-effort, and even that didn't really happen until late in the season.
Besides what he's shown to the public, how would we know?  
BLUATHRT : 11/13/2017 2:19 pm : link
We don't know how he deals with players in meetings. We don't know how he holds himself and coaches accountable behind closed doors.
...  
Unemployable : 11/13/2017 2:20 pm : link
Look at the tape.
I'm tired of looking at this clown  
Route 9 : 11/13/2017 2:20 pm : link
as our head coach
No  
BocaGiants91 : 11/13/2017 2:31 pm : link
But those were some sweet sunglasses he had on yesterday!
I didn't like him LAST year  
averagejoe : 11/13/2017 2:33 pm : link
with 11 wins. He should have been fired last year for implementing an offense that COULD NOT SCORE . Giants lost LOS on both sides of the ball EVERY GAME and he was the only one that did not notice.

McAdoo could not lead a cub scout troop to the latrine.
Is McAdoo a leader?  
Mark C : 11/13/2017 2:39 pm : link
The short answer: Not for much longer.

(The longer answer: If this was any other team in the NFL, he wouldn't be today.)
Isn't it obvious that he isn't? He's worse than a non-leader, he's a  
Victor in CT : 11/13/2017 2:56 pm : link
clown. "I need to see the film" to see what happened? You weren't watching? Please.

Bill Arnsparger was not a leader, but he was still an excellent coordinator for many years before and after his Giants tenure. He just wasn't cut out to be the head man. It happens. Does anyone honestly think that McHandley can even be a successful position coach in the future?
TC, re Parcells, I was re-reading "No Medals for Trying" over the  
Victor in CT : 11/13/2017 2:58 pm : link
weekend. That man knew EVERYTHING that was going on, took responsibility for every detail and demanded excellence and dedication.
RE: TC, re Parcells, I was re-reading  
TC : 11/13/2017 3:02 pm : link
In comment 13690444 Victor in CT said:
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weekend. That man knew EVERYTHING that was going on, took responsibility for every detail and demanded excellence and dedication.

Thanks! Sounds like a good read. That's my impression of him, and a pretty good description of some defining characteristics of a leader.
This is why I don't post  
Bluesbreaker : 11/13/2017 3:12 pm : link
........
I tried to look at it that way but , I watched him on the sidelines  
Elite Mobster #32 : 11/13/2017 3:25 pm : link
Tell me how you can talk to your team all week as a coach then during the game you don't interact with any of the team members? Coaches included? He stands in one spot, I don't see any coaching.

No feel for the game like last year.

He let the clock expire early in the season, remember? Yesterday they were running the ball well he didn't go back to it on 3rd and 2. I don't care who is calling the plays I have never seen him call a time out or fight for his team in any way. Then during the Press conferences he is giving bullshit answers. Its totally nonsense, I don't like it.
The biggest  
TrueBlue56 : 11/13/2017 3:38 pm : link
Difference is that parcells learned to adjust to his players strengths and he was a classic motivator. He knew when a player needed a pat on the back and when they needed a kick in the ass.

Mcadoo is a perfect example of round hole, square peg coach. He does not adjust to the team's strengths and he does not know how to motivate the team.

Here is a perfect example of the two on motivating players:

Bill parcells quote
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"I don’t believe in consistency as it relates to handling players. I believe in being right for each guy. I tried to do my best to understand what a particular player needed to be pushed to do his best. I felt an obligatory responsibility to give the players what they needed for the best chance to win.”


Mcadoo quote from yesterday
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They’re pro football players. They need to be self-motivated. Everybody gets a paycheck this week. We need to go out and play that way.”


This is all you need to know. They aren't even close and that is why one is in the hall of fame and the other one will soon find himself out of the league.
He has a powerdo.  
Brown Recluse : 11/13/2017 3:55 pm : link
That automatically makes him a leader. Or at least, makes him look like one.
Comparing Parcells to McAdoo  
Bubba : 11/13/2017 4:07 pm : link
is like comparing Erwin Rommel to Sgt. Bilko.
RE: Isn't it obvious that he isn't? He's worse than a non-leader, he's a  
RetroJint : 11/13/2017 4:18 pm : link
In comment 13690441 Victor in CT said:
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clown. "I need to see the film" to see what happened? You weren't watching? Please.

Bill Arnsparger was not a leader, but he was still an excellent coordinator for many years before and after his Giants tenure. He just wasn't cut out to be the head man. It happens. Does anyone honestly think that McHandley can even be a successful position coach in the future?


Easy on Arnsparger. His problem with the Giants was that they were a yo-yo organization , with no budget or talent save for a few excellent defensive players. He became an excellent college coach. My X's cousin played for him at LSU. His guys played hard down to the last snap out of respect and admiration for him.

McAdoo is a leader. What's going on presently is a mutiny . He's not the first leader to confront one of those . He won't be around next season. His career will resume as an assistant , perhaps in NE or Jack, if either of those offensive staffs lose a coach. In maybe 5 years, he will get another chance as HC. He has talent . He has a ton of good ideas. He does possess leadership skills. He walked into a shitstorm this season some of his own doing . The 11 win debut teased expectations to an insane level.

The Green co-inhabitants of the Met truly made a parallel hire in Bowles. Misleading double-digit first season. Crap for the second. Media on him like red ants. Woody finally said fuck it, he's staying. The guy knows football . He's a leader .
McAdoo  
B in ALB : 11/13/2017 4:23 pm : link
said that his job isn't to motivate players to play when they're getting paid. He certainly hasn't been able to coach them on the Xs and Os. And it's clear this team doesn't want to win with him at the helm.

So what the fuck is his job exactly? What's he being paid to do? He won't motivate the players b/c it's not his job and he can't coach football.

I just don't understand it.
Have to check the tape  
jeff57 : 11/13/2017 4:28 pm : link
first.
They were motivated enough to play week 17 last season  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/13/2017 4:28 pm : link
when they had absolutely no reason to. Professional athletes should care about what people see when they look at them between the lines. When you see a quitter, that's all you really remember about those people.
It really is Handley 2.0  
moespree : 11/14/2017 12:55 am : link
He used to say the same stupid shit all the time that he didn't need to worry about motivating anyone and that it's a waste of time in professional sports.
RE: McAdoo  
mrvax : 11/14/2017 1:14 am : link
In comment 13690664 B in ALB said:
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said that his job isn't to motivate players to play when they're getting paid. He certainly hasn't been able to coach them on the Xs and Os. And it's clear this team doesn't want to win with him at the helm.

So what the fuck is his job exactly? What's he being paid to do? He won't motivate the players b/c it's not his job and he can't coach football.

I just don't understand it.


B, having been a coach for my daughter's softball team a few years, I saw motivation as a primary function. Hard to believe McAdoo said that.
I won't say he's not a leader  
gidiefor : Mod : 11/14/2017 7:47 am : link
because he is a leader by definition (he's paid to be one : )) -- the issue is whether or not he's good at it

I think his message(s) is/are too convoluted for him to be a good leader. His "committed to discipline and poise" paragraph that he spits out on command like an automaton sounds kinda like: over the meadow through the woods, over the bridge, along the ledge, and then over the hill; to me.

Then there's his "Frasier the Lion" and "if" speech which he used twice this season -- at the beginning of training camp -- and at the bye -- I mean: who wants to be called a frikken Frasier? Examine that practice and his comments that players don't need motivation because they get paid to play (an assertion that was pushed by two other big failures -- Handley and Fassell) then it really gets convoluted and even conflicted. Why does he give them Frasier and If speeches if they don't need motivation?? Those two ideas are in direct conflict with each other.

I also agree with the oversized suit analogy -- that was, in hindsight, quite fitting
RE: RE: McAdoo  
B in ALB : 11/14/2017 8:07 am : link
In comment 13691519 mrvax said:
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In comment 13690664 B in ALB said:


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said that his job isn't to motivate players to play when they're getting paid. He certainly hasn't been able to coach them on the Xs and Os. And it's clear this team doesn't want to win with him at the helm.

So what the fuck is his job exactly? What's he being paid to do? He won't motivate the players b/c it's not his job and he can't coach football.

I just don't understand it.



B, having been a coach for my daughter's softball team a few years, I saw motivation as a primary function. Hard to believe McAdoo said that.


“Again, we have to do one thing first. We have to take a look at the tape first. We have to figure out what went wrong. We gotta address it. We gotta fix it. We gotta move on. And we’ll talk about motivation next week. They’re pro football players. They need to be self-motivated. Everybody gets a paycheck this week. We need to go out and play that way.”
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