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The owners have spoken

tator : 11/13/2017 3:56 pm
According to Schefters Facebook page..

Statement from John Mara and Steve Tisch:
"Ben McAdoo is our head coach and has our support. We are in the midst of an extremely disappointing season. Our performance this year, particularly the past two weeks, is inexcusable and frustrating. While we appreciate that our fans are unhappy with what has occurred, nobody is more upset than we are.
“Our plan is to do what we have always done, which is to not offer a running commentary on the season. It is our responsibility to determine the reasons for our poor performance and at the end of the year, we will evaluate the 2017 season in its entirety and make a determination on how we move forward.”
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It is up to the Giants fans to boycott the games  
ZogZerg : 11/13/2017 6:37 pm : link
F these owners
RE: It is up to the Giants fans to boycott the games  
Carson53 : 11/13/2017 6:45 pm : link
In comment 13690905 ZogZerg said:
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F these owners
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It's going to get ugly at the Met-O-Lands folks.
I am curious to see: A) how many empty seats there will be,
and B) how many season tickets are sold to out of towners.
We won't know Part B though.
You could see this trainwreck coming...
RE: B Alabama  
B in ALB : 11/13/2017 6:46 pm : link
In comment 13690903 joeinpa said:
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Mr. Mara evidently agrees with me.


Bullshit. McAdoo is a dead man walking.

But they will continue with the facade of continuity and "The Giants Way" with the goal of projecting stability to the next coach.

Has nothing to do with McAdoo deserving anything.
RE: .  
KeoweeFan : 11/13/2017 6:47 pm : link
In comment 13690601 Danny Kanell said:
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Is anyone actually surprised? Firing a coach mid-season isn't how they do business. McAdoo is gone. Reese is gone. They're all gone. You're just not gonna get your pound of flesh until after the season. And ownership isn't wrong about this. Firing them now solves nothing.

Waiting until Jan 1 to fire and then start a search for GM who then will take a while to select a HC who then has to find position coaches etc puts that leadership in a bind for 2018.
The ideal would be if they had a (transition?) GM candidate not locked with another team (e.g. Gettleman?) who could step in and start righting the ship while "reviewing film" of players (and thus coaches abilities); start the process of evaluating and then culling dead wood NOW. He could also scout HC options. (Of course he would NEVER think about making behind the scenes contact with any potential choices - that would be illegal.)
Both the draft (old guard scouting for the new regime) and setting up the regimine for the off season would appear to be difficult with a post Jan house cleaning.
It is hard to believe that ownership, the Senior management team would not have all of these scenarios already thought out.
RE: What a goddamn joke.  
Carson53 : 11/13/2017 6:48 pm : link
In comment 13690887 lawguy9801 said:
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Fire everyone now. What more do we need to see?


It's not their MO, not surprised with what they said...
par for the course around here.
Dumb and  
Les in TO : 11/13/2017 6:56 pm : link
Dumber.
RE: This is the right call  
Vanzetti : 11/13/2017 7:08 pm : link
In comment 13690691 mfsd said:
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Don’t want the malcontents rewarded for quitting on the team

Clean house after the last game, but don’t see an upside to doing it now


Yup. They needed to either fire BM today or make it clear that he is here for the rest of the year.
I read this as the kiss of death  
Nitro : 11/13/2017 7:12 pm : link
thankfully.
I Posted This on Another Thread...  
Jim in Tampa : 11/13/2017 7:13 pm : link
Giants have fired a coach "in-season" just once in the last 86 years and only twice in their entire existence.

The most recent time was 41 years ago when Arnsparger was let go after starting 0-7. He was replaced by John McVay.

I believe Wellington said that it was a mistake to fire a coach during the season, because after McVay won a few games and the players stated how much they liked playing for him, Mara thought he "owed" it to McVay to give him a shot.

The Giants don't want to make the same mistake and they also probably believe that after making the playoffs in his first year that BM deserves a chance to turn it around.

The season is already lost. Firing him now won't change a thing except make the fans feel better.
RE: At least they did something  
KeoweeFan : 11/13/2017 7:18 pm : link
In comment 13690660 AnnapolisMike said:
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They either needed to prop him up or fire him. Silence would have been the biggest mistake. In some ways this is the safer path. No worry of an interim HC doing well.

It is the classy move. I would have preferred a canning today...but this is fair.

I'm not overly impressed with the capability of the ownership; succession and contingency planning should have started well before this. (McAdoo should have been in his 2nd or 3rd warning). A change now, even interim (e.g. Sully), is not the same as a late December firing. Give a new GM at least a half season to evaluate real time (e.g. is Spags part of the problem?).
But I don't think they would base a decision on the possibility that the new leadership would improve draft standing and consider that a negative. They DO have too much class for that.
RE: This is not surprising at all...  
KeoweeFan : 11/13/2017 7:25 pm : link
In comment 13690709 EricJ said:
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and I am absolutely fine with it. Knee jerk reactions are what you can expect from organizations like Cleveland.

However, I will be disappointed if at the end of the season we see no changes, not enough change, or another bone head appointment of a head coach.

I thought that offering the job to McAdoo was just too conservative of a move.

How can 1 and 8 be a knee jerk reaction? The warning flags should have been out at 0 and 5!
Games are played only 1 day a week but management should have been evaluating and planning 24/7 with this disaster.
RE: firing him now does nothing. no new coach can implement a new  
KeoweeFan : 11/13/2017 7:28 pm : link
In comment 13690710 Victor in CT said:
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program in Week10. It doesn't pay.

If Ben and Jerry and their staffs are still employed on Jan 3 I'll be disappointed and despondent. We will be back to the mid '70s if that happens.

A new HC and GM will not impact 2017; they need a head start on evaluation (current players and the draft) and program changes for 2018.
RE: If they aren't going to fire the players, they shouldn't fire anyone  
KeoweeFan : 11/13/2017 7:40 pm : link
In comment 13690767 Go Terps said:
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Reese and McAdoo haven't covered themselves with glory, and replacing them is completely fine...but I put this shitshow of a season on the players. I can't stress this enough:

"I don't like the coach" is not an excuse from the players for quitting and/or putting forth less than full effort. It is not a fucking excuse.


If it's OK to shitcan McAdoo and Reese now, it's OK to shitcan (at minimum) Jenkins and Apple now. I'm 3,000 miles away and not spending money on tickets so my voice doesn't mean shit, but my vote as a fan would be to never see those two play for the Giants ever again. I believe we are past contract and salary cap considerations and into the realm of a poisoned locker room and suspect organizational culture. I for one would like to see some radical shit done to the roster.

Agreed!!
A lot of the opinions on this thread seem to assume that there is a switch on the wall where you can turn a winning attitude on or off. Losing is a cancer and the longer it lingers the harder it is to correct.
If you have to amputate now so be it. (History shows however that only a few cells have to go to turn things around.)
Use the rest of the season to get ready for next year; evaluation and experience. (Don't try to change the system now).
Ben loved to talk about a heavy handed football team; what is need for the rest of the season is heavy handed leadership.
RE: RE: Terps, I agree with you.  
KeoweeFan : 11/13/2017 7:43 pm : link
In comment 13690813 HomerJones45 said:
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And I'd cut Jenkins today if I was the GM.

But sadly, players have such chutzpah that they don't fear being cut, assuming that another team will sign them to a huge contract in the next day or two. And they are right. Jenkins wouldn't have to wait very long to get another contract.

Unfortunately for you, the players can read and add. Cutting Jenkins would incur a 21,000,000 dead cap hit. He knows he's not getting cut.

But if he sat on the bench for the next half dozen games his value would drop off the map.
What the Owners said to the Players today...  
JohnF : 11/13/2017 8:13 pm : link
RE: Don't forget  
GiantGrit : 11/13/2017 8:18 pm : link
In comment 13690791 Bill in TN said:
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that if they do fire JR and Mac they will still have to satisfy the Rooney Rule requirements for each, which will drag the process out even further.
New leadership could take a while. So they better have their candidates identified by season's end.


Funny you mention the Rooney Rule, I think someone who fits that requirement should be a top candidate...Teryl Austin.
....  
yankees78 : 11/13/2017 8:25 pm : link
Get me to January.
If they want anyone decent to come here  
Dave on the UWS : 11/13/2017 8:27 pm : link
Then you don't change your method of doing business rashly and reactionary. He's not blind, he's just not going to create more turmoil. The question in my mind is this a complete gut job or just the coaching staff? We all want the former.
B  
joeinpa : 11/13/2017 8:34 pm : link
Why are you making a big deal about this.

The only thing MacAdoo has done wrong is be a bad coach.

He s a man with a family who is on the brink of losing what he worked for his entire life. His assistant coaches and all the families are impacted.

Mara thinks he should finish the season, so do I.

It s an opinion, it s not right or wrong.

You should really try to stop taking these things so personally
Taking it personally?  
B in ALB : 11/13/2017 8:37 pm : link
My family spends a shit load of money's on season tickets. Fuckin A right it's personal.
RE: RE: RE: Terps, I agree with you.  
HomerJones45 : 11/13/2017 8:52 pm : link
In comment 13691040 KeoweeFan said:
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In comment 13690813 HomerJon

But if he sat on the bench for the next half dozen games his value would drop off the map.
where do you guys get this stuff? So OBJ has less value on the market because he missed games?
Sometimes I read comments on this board  
Reb8thVA : 11/13/2017 8:56 pm : link
And I wonder if people here are as professional in their workplace as they demand of the players.
RE: Sometimes I read comments on this board  
Giants_ROK : 11/13/2017 10:50 pm : link
In comment 13691215 Reb8thVA said:
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And I wonder if people here are as professional in their workplace as they demand of the players.

Seems a lot of guys collect a paycheck while posting on BBI. (I'm retired)
This is depressing news....  
Fishmanjim57 : 11/13/2017 10:53 pm : link
So we'll have to listen to McAdoo deny there is anything wrong with his team, and watch Reese walk away in silence, before answering questions about his failures.
I will not watch them until they change the coaching staff and GM!
RE: RE: THe only thing they care about is MONEY.  
DonQuixote : 11/13/2017 11:33 pm : link
In comment 13690766 clatterbuck said:
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As long as fans (ours or theirs) keep going to the game and buy beers food and such they will not change. The same with Wellington. He did not change Fassle until the seats were 3/4 empty by half time.

Having said that keeping McAdoo and Reese right now just ensures our losing and atop draft pick.



History and facts do not support your allegation about Wellington Mara or Mara/Tisch.


I agree. Plus, they are not filling any seats for home playoff games, or selling jerseys to an energized fan base. I am sure it is in everyone’s interest to field a competitive team.
RE: What a goddamn joke.  
DonQuixote : 11/13/2017 11:35 pm : link
In comment 13690887 lawguy9801 said:
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Fire everyone now. What more do we need to see?


Completely agree
RE: Taking it personally?  
DonQuixote : 11/13/2017 11:41 pm : link
In comment 13691170 B in ALB said:
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My family spends a shit load of money's on season tickets. Fuckin A right it's personal.


Absolutely right.

It is not an issue firing a coach mid season, it is just being clear. Miami did it last year, had a decent interim coach who restored some pride and did not ruin his coaching career, yet they had a search and got the person they wanted. What the hell is wrong with that??
RE: RE: Taking it personally?  
McNally's_Nuts : 11/13/2017 11:56 pm : link
In comment 13691491 DonQuixote said:
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My family spends a shit load of money's on season tickets. Fuckin A right it's personal.



Absolutely right.

It is not an issue firing a coach mid season, it is just being clear. Miami did it last year, had a decent interim coach who restored some pride and did not ruin his coaching career, yet they had a search and got the person they wanted. What the hell is wrong with that??


The Dolphins are hardly a franchise I'd want to emulate.
RE: B  
chopperhatch : 11/14/2017 12:03 am : link
In comment 13691165 joeinpa said:
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Why are you making a big deal about this.

The only thing MacAdoo has done wrong is be a bad coach.

He s a man with a family who is on the brink of losing what he worked for his entire life. His assistant coaches and all the families are impacted.

Mara thinks he should finish the season, so do I.

It s an opinion, it s not right or wrong.

You should really try to stop taking these things so personally


More dumb shit from joe.

He gets paid despite getting fired unless he gets a new job dumbass
Funniest . . .  
Josh in MD : 11/14/2017 4:47 am : link
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RE: Wow
Sean : 11/13/2017 4:06 pm : link : reply
In comment 13690595 Sammo85 said:
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Get ready for more embarrassment and drama.

Mara really is a terrible owner. If his last name was Rogers or Williams, he would be seen as such instead of Wellington’s son.

He can’t admit his mistake. McAdoo was his choice. Him and Chris need to stay out of football operations.

He is also the one who is handling the Goodell negotiations and fighting for him to stay as commissioner. Tells you all you need to know.


This is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever wrote on this site.


. . . Freudian slip I've ever read on this site.
Maras support says he thinks Mc-a-dont  
micky : 11/14/2017 6:13 am : link
can save his job.
B  
joeinpa : 11/14/2017 7:43 am : link
He still loses the job he worked for all his life.

Again you get so angry in your rants here you lash out without thinking.

RE: B  
B in ALB : 11/14/2017 7:57 am : link
In comment 13691557 joeinpa said:
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He still loses the job he worked for all his life.

Again you get so angry in your rants here you lash out without thinking.


Not angry at all. But it is personal. Spending thousands of dollars on this bullshit? Not any more.
don't like the move  
giantfan2000 : 11/14/2017 8:07 am : link
sorry just go back and look at Fassal's last season and TC last season

In Fassell's last season Giants were coming off that huge SF playoff meltdown but still with large expectation --- Giants were 4-4 after 8 weeks -offense suddenly couldn't score points and then the injuries hit and the wheels came off

but in those last 8 games Giants were incredibly frustrating because our offensive weapons were gone and we just could not score but there was hope until the final couple of games .

TC last year Giants were 6 -10 and in many of those final games we were competitive

this season was are 1-8 and just were EMBARRASSED at HOME against a winless putrid team .Some of the players are in open revolt. There is NO HOPE NOW.

Macadoo needs to be gone YESTERDAY. if for nothing else then to show players - that there are consequences for not showing up and giving effort. The reality is many of these rebellious players will be on the roster next season - There has to be accountability and they have to be shown that Owners will do whatever it takes to get this organization winning again .. even removing the head coach in mid season.

So yes - removing the HC in middle of the season is an extraordinary move but damn this is a dumpster fire and you have to do something!

At this point everyone is dreaming of 1st pick of draft but we have 4 division games left .. do you really want to be embarrassed at home by the Redskins? Blown out by the Cowboys ? Knowing that our eagles will once again win again us

By keeping Mcadoo as head coach the Owners have guarantee that not only are they giving up the season - the Giants will go winless and will have record setting losses the rest of the way.












RE: Maras support says he thinks Mc-a-dont  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/14/2017 8:08 am : link
In comment 13691535 micky said:
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can save his job.

No it doesn't. It says that there isn't a viable interim coach on the roster and John remembers Wellington talking regretfully about firing Arnsparger midseason only to have McVay look like a good candidate in a limited audition. We all know how that turned out.

It's not about McAdoo saving his job; it's about understanding that there is no benefit to trying to salvage this season. And in seven weeks, when the Giants are looking for their next head coach, they'll have the advantage of a high draft pick and an ownership situation that doesn't have a reputation of being vindictive or reactionary in their decisions. Whether or not you accept that, it does matter.
RE: don't like the move  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/14/2017 8:13 am : link
In comment 13691580 giantfan2000 said:
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Macadoo needs to be gone YESTERDAY. if for nothing else then to show players - that there are consequences for not showing up and giving effort.(1) The reality is many of these rebellious players will be on the roster next season - There has to be accountability and they have to be shown that Owners will do whatever it takes to get this organization winning again .. even removing the head coach in mid season.

So yes - removing the HC in middle of the season is an extraordinary move but damn this is a dumpster fire and you have to do something!

At this point everyone is dreaming of 1st pick of draft but we have 4 division games left .. do you really want to be embarrassed at home by the Redskins? Blown out by the Cowboys ? Knowing that our eagles will once again win again us

By keeping Mcadoo as head coach the Owners have guarantee that not only are they giving up the season - the Giants will go winless and will have record setting losses the rest of the way. (2)

1. That's exactly the opposite of the message you'd be sending to the players. What you'd actually be signaling to them is that if they quit on a coach they can get that coach fired whenever they want.

2. Has it occurred to you that the Giants realize that if their team is going to be bad that it's better to be really bad and get as high a draft pick as possible?
I think the posters mentioning the McVay situation have a great point  
Kevin_in_Pgh : 11/14/2017 8:18 am : link
It's probably not about wanting to keep Ben, as much as it is about being able to start the coaching search clean at season's end.

However, what's more interesting is what they do with Reese. I do think they could get away with firing him now - the GM's job is different.So, if he's not gone soon, that tells me he's staying - it's tough to bring in a new GM right before the draft ... and weird to fire one right after that.
can't be. Pretty sure Slade said Mac would get fired at the bye?  
Heisenberg : 11/14/2017 8:18 am : link
And Slade is an insider or some shit.
RE: I think the posters mentioning the McVay situation have a great point  
Victor in CT : 11/14/2017 8:24 am : link
In comment 13691591 Kevin_in_Pgh said:
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It's probably not about wanting to keep Ben, as much as it is about being able to start the coaching search clean at season's end.

However, what's more interesting is what they do with Reese. I do think they could get away with firing him now - the GM's job is different.So, if he's not gone soon, that tells me he's staying - it's tough to bring in a new GM right before the draft ... and weird to fire one right after that.


I don't think they could get away with NOT firing Reese now. It was "on Jerry" 2 years ago when he was wrongly allowed to scapegoat Coughlin. The thing about "not bringing is a new GM before the draft is a crock. What serious GM candidate isn't heavily into to scouting for the draft already?
B  
joeinpa : 11/14/2017 8:36 am : link
Well that s a legitimate position. Just didn t get why you had to jump all over my position that I agreed with Mara.

And believe me I wan t MacAdoo gone. But I keep remembering the last time Giants fired a coach in mid-season, Arnsparger.

The interim coach,McVay, won enough games where The players raved about him and Wellington Mara felt pressured to hire him.

Let it play out, that s what I think is best.
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section125 : 11/14/2017 9:19 am : link
In comment 13691569 B in ALB said:
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He still loses the job he worked for all his life.

Again you get so angry in your rants here you lash out without thinking.




Not angry at all. But it is personal. Spending thousands of dollars on this bullshit? Not any more.


Pfffftttt. What's a few thousand between friends?
hmmmm  
giantfan2000 : 11/14/2017 9:29 am : link
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1. That's exactly the opposite of the message you'd be sending to the players. What you'd actually be signaling to them is that if they quit on a coach they can get that coach fired whenever they want.


I disagree replacing the coach will mean to the players that EVERYONE is currently being evaluated . Right now - the players can continue to just phone it in because they know McAdoo is the scapegoat and the villain. There is no-one in charge now . This needs to change

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2. Has it occurred to you that the Giants realize that if their team is going to be bad that it's better to be really bad and get as high a draft pick as possible?


If the attitude of Ownership only goal is #1 pick . Not to try to be competitive at all in the half way point of the season when half your games are division rivals . The owners should return all the season ticket holders money.
RE: I think the posters mentioning the McVay situation have a great point  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/14/2017 10:28 am : link
In comment 13691591 Kevin_in_Pgh said:
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It's probably not about wanting to keep Ben, as much as it is about being able to start the coaching search clean at season's end.

However, what's more interesting is what they do with Reese. I do think they could get away with firing him now - the GM's job is different.So, if he's not gone soon, that tells me he's staying - it's tough to bring in a new GM right before the draft ... and weird to fire one right after that.

I'm not familiar with the way teams treat front office hires during the season and whether or not they'd allow the Giants (or any team) to hire one of their GM's lieutenants midseason. So if by firing Reese now you paint yourself into either hiring Gettleman/Dorsey or leaving the chair vacant until after the season, what's the benefit?

Chances are, Reese gets fired right after the season (along with McAdoo) and the new GM will end up having to rely heavily upon Ross for the draft and Sternfeld/Abrams for free agency. Ross (and some scouts, potentially) could be let go after the draft. I also wouldn't be shocked to see someone like Accorsi/Parcells/Polian step in as an interim consultant to help with the transition because there will be a lot of moving parts all at the same time.

It's not ideal to handle it in two stages like that, but it gives you the greatest opportunity to vet multiple candidates rather than just taking who is available right now simply for the sake of firing Reese immediately.
RE: hmmmm  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/14/2017 10:34 am : link
In comment 13691679 giantfan2000 said:
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If the attitude of Ownership only goal is #1 pick . Not to try to be competitive at all in the half way point of the season when half your games are division rivals . The owners should return all the season ticket holders money.

I'm not suggesting that should be ownership's only goal, just that maybe they have more of a long-range view than you do. In the long run, if you're not going to be good, you're better off bottoming out for a year and getting yourself the highest draft pick available. You can chase a few meaningless wins this year and increase the likelihood that you stay mediocre going forward, or you can let the disaster unfold and hope for the chance to usher in the next successful era of Giants football.

As for the season ticket holders, a large chunk of them are ticket brokers anyway. And for those that are actual fans, they still have the freedom and ability to sell their tickets for this season. It's not like they don't already do so a fair amount of time in other years even when the team is decent.
RE: RE: Maras support says he thinks Mc-a-dont  
AnnapolisMike : 11/14/2017 11:06 am : link
In comment 13691584 Gatorade Dunk said:
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can save his job.


No it doesn't. It says that there isn't a viable interim coach on the roster and John remembers Wellington talking regretfully about firing Arnsparger midseason only to have McVay look like a good candidate in a limited audition. We all know how that turned out.

It's not about McAdoo saving his job; it's about understanding that there is no benefit to trying to salvage this season. And in seven weeks, when the Giants are looking for their next head coach, they'll have the advantage of a high draft pick and an ownership situation that doesn't have a reputation of being vindictive or reactionary in their decisions. Whether or not you accept that, it does matter.


This was a good reply GD. +1
the league may  
gm7b5 : 11/14/2017 11:22 am : link
have to step in and save Mara from himself. He seems clueless these days. History repeats itself. Do you trust him to pick the new GM?
RE: What a goddamn joke.  
Rory : 11/14/2017 11:23 am : link
In comment 13690887 lawguy9801 said:
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Fire everyone now. What more do we need to see?


you sound like a fucking 5 year old, pathetic.
I was thinking if Mara actually talked to McAdoo last night.....  
BillKo : 11/14/2017 12:07 pm : link
Overall, BM is 12-13 as a HC in the NFL. I'm sure the decision has already been made, but the owners probably want to see what the guy is made of, and can he actually turn it around and get the team playing some resemblance of good football. Which may serve him well in a future position.

But I suspect the conversation went something like this, quoting No Country for Old Men:

"This is the best deal you're going to get. I won't tell you that you can save yourself, because you can't. ... "
We are all a little on edge here and no one  
Reb8thVA : 11/14/2017 12:33 pm : link
is happy with the way this season is unfolding or the immediate future of this team. We are all a little worried that the status quo will stand. For weeks or moths we have heard a chorus oh how the Giants crave stability, they don't fire GMs and how they wouldn't fire McAdoo after ony two seasons. These ideas have become all most gospell truths warranted or not. So when Mara comes out with a statement like this one, some people will interpret it automatically as confirming our worst fears. Cut through the statement with an open mind and its not a very strong statement of support.
When things are going badly  
SethFromAstoria : 11/15/2017 8:18 am : link
And a owner pays zero attention to the fans, it's such a relief.... And being a Giants fan when I read things like "par for the course" from a Giants fan, I mean you just sound like such a fucking dumb tool with zero perspective. Go root for a team where it is par for the course.

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