The owners have spoken

next 7 weeks ( the home games) are gonna be a living hell at metlife

how far do we have to go for a change?

soon you will lose the fans..

Just great ... 7 more Sunday's of the Hallmark channel.

January 1.

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January 1.

haha

to return from the mountain

Is a spineless jelly fish.

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The point of changing coaches right now? Season is over either way. If they don’t make a change at the end of the year then be upset. Teams don’t really fire coaches mid season not just the Giants.

However, I think the logic behind keeping him around is to prevent the players who have quit on not only Mac, but the franchise overall, from getting their way.

The clowns who have mailed it are now stuck with the head clown, which in some way is fitting.

This means things can actually get worse and probably will.

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way.. This season sucks and no matter what we do right now that isn't changing.

The end of the season we shall see what they choose to do.

Get ready for more embarrassment and drama.

Mara really is a terrible owner. If his last name was Rogers or Williams, he would be seen as such instead of Wellington’s son.

He can’t admit his mistake. McAdoo was his choice. Him and Chris need to stay out of football operations.

He is also the one who is handling the Goodell negotiations and fighting for him to stay as commissioner. Tells you all you need to know.

In the locker room will get worse. Not good.

why give an interim coach the opportunity to go 3-4 and extend this run of garbage? Because an interim coach may give a couple of wins with an initial change.

Is anyone actually surprised? Firing a coach mid-season isn't how they do business. McAdoo is gone. Reese is gone. They're all gone. You're just not gonna get your pound of flesh until after the season. And ownership isn't wrong about this. Firing them now solves nothing.

As long as fans (ours or theirs) keep going to the game and buy beers food and such they will not change. The same with Wellington. He did not change Fassle until the seats were 3/4 empty by half time.

Having said that keeping McAdoo and Reese right now just ensures our losing and atop draft pick.

but what will not tolerated is ownership flying in the face of the fans when it comes to obvious changes that need to be made. This team has a buffoon as its head coach, despite Jerry Reese's comments that he's the "smartest man in the room." It is clear that he has lost this team, despite the head coach's insistence to the contrary.

What follows is an absolute lambasting at the remaining home games (those fans who haven't sold their tickets, that is). I hope Mara and Tisch are prepared for that.

In comment 13690595 Sammo85 said:

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Get ready for more embarrassment and drama. Mara really is a terrible owner. If his last name was Rogers or Williams, he would be seen as such instead of Wellington’s son. He can’t admit his mistake. McAdoo was his choice. Him and Chris need to stay out of football operations. He is also the one who is handling the Goodell negotiations and fighting for him to stay as commissioner. Tells you all you need to know.

This is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever wrote on this site.

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That right there is the death knell for any coach. Mac is a goner

In comment 13690612 Larry in Pencilvania said:

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That right there is the death knell for any coach. Mac is a goner

Indeed. That sealed it.

and a solid way of running the show. It gives the owners time to select replacements for next year.

You can't start shotgun firing mid-season and get good replacements overnight.

Get rid of both after the season.

With an angry Chiefs team coming to town It's not out of
the question were gonna lose but by how many point;s
I think were looking at another 50 burger unless Andy Reid
shows some mercy ...

I have a hard time blaming Mara, as if he doesn't care.

this is about how they operate. The Giants don't fire HC's at mid season.

Now, they did fire Fassel before the end of 2003, they just let him finish out the string.

The Giants FO already know the stadium is going to be empty/filled with opposing fans in December.

Trust me, they have already made their decision.....

firing a HC mid-season is a huge red flag. The season has sucked, we can wait another 7 weeks.

In comment 13690606 Sean said:

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In comment 13690595 Sammo85 said: Quote: Get ready for more embarrassment and drama. Mara really is a terrible owner. If his last name was Rogers or Williams, he would be seen as such instead of Wellington’s son. He can’t admit his mistake. McAdoo was his choice. Him and Chris need to stay out of football operations. He is also the one who is handling the Goodell negotiations and fighting for him to stay as commissioner. Tells you all you need to know. This is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever wrote on this site.

Agreed!!!!

a dog whistle lol

Be mad if Mcadoo and Reese are here next year (I would be furious). Making a move now serves no purpose.

I hope Mara and Tisch told McAdoo to deactivate the defensive players who have decided to not attempt to earn their pay anymore.

For Jenkins to give such little effort with the owner watching in the stadium is an affront to the organization.

Whenever it seems like the perfect time to make a move,it never happens.

In comment 13690630 BillKo said:

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a dog whistle lol

I couldn’t resist. That’s why you always spellcheck before clicking submit on posts.

It gives them an opportunity to evaluate which players actually quit on the Giants and make decisions on their futures. One could say, they don't want the players to dictate the upcoming coaching and gm change (which will happen).

The Knicks should take a lesson.

McAdoo would immediately bench any player who takes a play off.

You'd hope that player would sit there embarrassed.

now there is absolutely nothing to look forward to until January.

To see how the defense plays Sunday.

And who plays.

over the years and it’s proven to be the right move more times then not. One thing I can tell you is the offense is broke and it’s McAdoos offense?! In fact all three phases of the game are horrendous. If you don’t make wholesale changes then it’ll be more of the same. It’s going to be very interesting come end of December.

suck it up and play. Good!

Mara didn't even talk to BM today.

Then put out the statement.

is will we keep Jerry Reese? It is critical the we kill it in the next draft. We cannot afford another sucky draft, particularly when we will have the luxury of being near the top of every round. Will Reese and his staff of draft scouts be choosing our draft off season. If not, can we be ready with his successor in time to be perfect on draft day. When I mean ready, that means all of the scouts rolling up a perfect draft.

In comment 13690649 Simms11 said:

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over the years and it’s proven to be the right move more times then not. One thing I can tell you is the offense is broke and it’s McAdoos offense?! In fact all three phases of the game are horrendous. If you don’t make wholesale changes then it’ll be more of the same. It’s going to be very interesting come end of December.

Offense hasn’t quit. They’ve struggled and had turnovers but they’re also besaddled with a bad OL, depleted WR corps.

Play calling has improved under Sully a bit too.

They either needed to prop him up or fire him. Silence would have been the biggest mistake. In some ways this is the safer path. No worry of an interim HC doing well.

It is the classy move. I would have preferred a canning today...but this is fair.

They're all gone come January 1st.

In comment 13690577 Beer Man said:

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Just great ... 7 more Sunday's of the Hallmark channel.

LOL! My 17 year old daughter had this on and I changed it to the game. Should have never changed to channel.

someone else come in and coach that mess? Who would want to come in for 7 games and try to straighten out that disaster?
superspy - it is not about money, they already have the money. It is about not "letting the inmates run the asylum." Obviously Jenkins et al want McAdoo and Spags gone. No way Mara allows that to happen mid-season; no way he is dictated to by a highly compensated player who quits on the field, his teammates and the fans. It is all on tape. The next GM and coach will see who crapped out.

What needed to happen was one of the leaders/captains jack somebody up. All along we were told there were no leaders in the lockerroom and obviously that is true. Mara is not going to let the players run the coach out of town midseason after playing like that; it would be an open invitation to let players do te same thing every time they didn't get their way. It is also a reason why guaranteed contracts are bad (maybe the only reason but it is a big one) - there are no repercussions to taking the money and not playing or jaking it.

We'll have to suffer through the rest of the year. Jenkins should sit and Cockerell should start and find somebody to start for Apple - Deayon?. But they won't care - they have guaranteed money.

I watched Casablanca again in the 1st half. Should have watched something else in the second half.

They watch this every week but I respect that they are sticking with the plan and not going with pure emotions.

Now if they don't make changes Jan 1st and wipe this clean.
Well...

they already look like a pair of buffoons

because the 4 remaining home games are going to be a disgrace. The 3 division home games, especially the 2 vs Dallas and Philly, will sound like road games and whomever does show up for the KC game will start off Thanksgiving week by booing vehemently at the home team from start to finish.

But if they decide to keep Reese and/or McAdoo for 2018, I'm be taking a break from the NFL.

Did you really think they were going to make a change mid-season?

is disrespectful to all fans and the young players that are still giving 100%

We are a dumpster fire and firing McAdoo now and replacing him with Sullivan or Spags won't change a thing. They will all be gone following the season.

Don’t want the malcontents rewarded for quitting on the team

Clean house after the last game, but don’t see an upside to doing it now

In comment 13690669 section125 said:

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What needed to happen was one of the leaders/captains jack somebody up. All along we were told there were no leaders in the lockerroom and obviously that is true. We'll have to suffer through the rest of the year. Jenkins should sit and Cockerell should start and find somebody to start for Apple - Deayon?.

ITA with all of this.

Hated to think that a new coach would motivate this team to win a couple of very meaningless games. I would never root against the team as I watch a game but draft position at this point is important. With Mac in charge,we have already won as many as we are going to this year.

In comment 13690671 larryflower37 said:

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They watch this every week but I respect that they are sticking with the plan and not going with pure emotions. Now if they don't make changes Jan 1st and wipe this clean. Well...

Good, I hope he watches every horrible minute. Maybe next time he'll think before playing GM Jr or use his fucking head when he hires a coach or he decides to listen to Forrest Gump.

my only issue is that every Monday will feel like the sky is falling when the fan base gets riled up again after watching another half assed effort.

McAdoo is the best option at leading us to a top 3 pick.

What else would have to go wrong for them to see that Mac has clearly lost this team? I can't remember ever seeing a team quitting with so many games left to play in a season, while operating as though no one is in control. And they want to charge fans to watch this garbage?

The longer you have to research and make a decision, the better that decision is likely to be.

I want the Giants to have a new GM and coach on day one of the offseason, so they can get to work rebuilding the roster, especially through the draft. Firing McAdoo and Reese on January 1st only gives them four months to rebuild the organization and get ready for the draft.

Fire them now and you can get that first part done sooner.

But, this is obviously not to be. That's ok, if the decision has been made at least, ownership can put together a list of targets.

and I am absolutely fine with it. Knee jerk reactions are what you can expect from organizations like Cleveland.

However, I will be disappointed if at the end of the season we see no changes, not enough change, or another bone head appointment of a head coach.

I thought that offering the job to McAdoo was just too conservative of a move.

program in Week10. It doesn't pay.

If Ben and Jerry and their staffs are still employed on Jan 3 I'll be disappointed and despondent. We will be back to the mid '70s if that happens.

Oh man. The BBI server might explode.

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my only issue is that every Monday will feel like the sky is falling when the fan base gets riled up again after watching another half assed effort. McAdoo is the best option at leading us to a top 3 pick.

Top 3? I'm confident under his tutelage that we should be able to secure the no.2 or even the no.1.

and not show up to games..i mean NO ONE...

But I will be furious if they don't get rid of Reese also

and told him his public persona with the media and on the sidelines needs to change a bit. That fiasco of a post game presser was an embarrassment to the franchise and to BM’s future career goals. On the sidelines it would be helpful for him to interact a bit with the players and be a positive influence. Obviously, he’s not a cheerleader, but he needs to be a leader and act like one. He has 7 games left to leave a positive impression with the Giants or any future employer.

Don t listen to the hysteria. He obviously is saying not making a change now, but if things don t turn around there will be changes.

Exactly the correct move. Coach deserves the entire season.

In comment 13690717 Diver_Down said:

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In comment 13690701 aimrocky said: Quote: my only issue is that every Monday will feel like the sky is falling when the fan base gets riled up again after watching another half assed effort. McAdoo is the best option at leading us to a top 3 pick. Top 3? I'm confident under his tutelage that we should be able to secure the no.2 or even the no.1.

Top 3. SF and Cleveland won't win again.

In comment 13690717 Diver_Down said:

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In comment 13690701 aimrocky said: Quote: my only issue is that every Monday will feel like the sky is falling when the fan base gets riled up again after watching another half assed effort. McAdoo is the best option at leading us to a top 3 pick. Top 3? I'm confident under his tutelage that we should be able to secure the no.2 or even the no.1.

Coaching change can lead to an inspired effort, which could produce a few more wins. It's obvious this roster has quit on this current staff. I'd be shocked if we win one more game under their guidance.

Start caring! I'm not wasting anymore Sundays on this team!

If they are convinced they want to let him stick around, I hope like hell they have a plan for who's next at HC & GM before Jan 1st, because it's too late by then.

In comment 13690602 superspynyg said:

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As long as fans (ours or theirs) keep going to the game and buy beers food and such they will not change. The same with Wellington. He did not change Fassle until the seats were 3/4 empty by half time. Having said that keeping McAdoo and Reese right now just ensures our losing and atop draft pick.

History and facts do not support your allegation about Wellington Mara or Mara/Tisch.

Reese and McAdoo haven't covered themselves with glory, and replacing them is completely fine...but I put this shitshow of a season on the players. I can't stress this enough:

"I don't like the coach" is not an excuse from the players for quitting and/or putting forth less than full effort. It is not a fucking excuse.

If it's OK to shitcan McAdoo and Reese now, it's OK to shitcan (at minimum) Jenkins and Apple now. I'm 3,000 miles away and not spending money on tickets so my voice doesn't mean shit, but my vote as a fan would be to never see those two play for the Giants ever again. I believe we are past contract and salary cap considerations and into the realm of a poisoned locker room and suspect organizational culture. I for one would like to see some radical shit done to the roster.

And I'd cut Jenkins today if I was the GM.

But sadly, players have such chutzpah that they don't fear being cut, assuming that another team will sign them to a huge contract in the next day or two. And they are right. Jenkins wouldn't have to wait very long to get another contract.

In comment 13690767 Go Terps said:

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Reese and McAdoo haven't covered themselves with glory, and replacing them is completely fine...but I put this shitshow of a season on the players. I can't stress this enough: "I don't like the coach" is not an excuse from the players for quitting and/or putting forth less than full effort. It is not a fucking excuse. If it's OK to shitcan McAdoo and Reese now, it's OK to shitcan (at minimum) Jenkins and Apple now. I'm 3,000 miles away and not spending money on tickets so my voice doesn't mean shit, but my vote as a fan would be to never see those two play for the Giants ever again. I believe we are past contract and salary cap considerations and into the realm of a poisoned locker room and suspect organizational culture. I for one would like to see some radical shit done to the roster.

good post

quitting kills football teams. I do not like the coach is not a reason to not play.

If Reese gets a paws though I may flip. He should have been gone two years ago. He was "put on notice" and now the team is the worst in the NFL.

doesn't cater to the public and overreact. They have a plan and they stick to it. Good for them.

Both MacAdoo and Reese will probably get fired after the season, as they should, but the culture of this team is way more concerning.

What we are seeing right now is a major problem and a new coach won't fix it. It might be ok short term and we may win some games and win the division, but as soon as adversity hits, we see what happens to a lot of these guys. What we have seen from Apple and Jenkins is a major problem and as much as I like Jenkins, you cannot have that on your team.

In comment 13690781 rocco8112 said:

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In comment 13690767 Go Terps said: Quote: Reese and McAdoo haven't covered themselves with glory, and replacing them is completely fine...but I put this shitshow of a season on the players. I can't stress this enough: "I don't like the coach" is not an excuse from the players for quitting and/or putting forth less than full effort. It is not a fucking excuse. If it's OK to shitcan McAdoo and Reese now, it's OK to shitcan (at minimum) Jenkins and Apple now. I'm 3,000 miles away and not spending money on tickets so my voice doesn't mean shit, but my vote as a fan would be to never see those two play for the Giants ever again. I believe we are past contract and salary cap considerations and into the realm of a poisoned locker room and suspect organizational culture. I for one would like to see some radical shit done to the roster. good post quitting kills football teams. I do not like the coach is not a reason to not play. If Reese gets a paws though I may flip. He should have been gone two years ago. He was "put on notice" and now the team is the worst in the NFL.

correction : I agree not liking the coach is no reason to quit.

probably won't change evenutual outcome. I'd normally agree with this approach -- wait out the season and then do what needs to be done -- but the product on the field is just so terrible, I thought more aggressive action was warranted. It's going to be an ugly next few months.

that if they do fire JR and Mac they will still have to satisfy the Rooney Rule requirements for each, which will drag the process out even further.
New leadership could take a while. So they better have their candidates identified by season's end.

In comment 13690736 joeinpa said:

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Don t listen to the hysteria. He obviously is saying not making a change now, but if things don t turn around there will be changes. Exactly the correct move. Coach deserves the entire season.

Horseshit. They do listen to the "hysteria"- more than most.

In comment 13690736 joeinpa said:

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Don t listen to the hysteria. He obviously is saying not making a change now, but if things don t turn around there will be changes. Exactly the correct move. Coach deserves the entire season.

He doesn't DESERVE anything.

He needs to earn the right to be there.

And owners don't listen to hysteria? Since when?

And if things don't turn around? Is that a joke?

In comment 13690780 yatqb said:

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And I'd cut Jenkins today if I was the GM. But sadly, players have such chutzpah that they don't fear being cut, assuming that another team will sign them to a huge contract in the next day or two. And they are right. Jenkins wouldn't have to wait very long to get another contract.

Unfortunately for you, the players can read and add. Cutting Jenkins would incur a 21,000,000 dead cap hit. He knows he's not getting cut.

In comment 13690661 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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They're all gone come January 1st.

Agreed. This sounds like "I'll fire him the day after the season ends" to me.

You would not be shocked in the least that Mara changes his mind.

He claimed the team showed grit because they scored while down 31-13

He dodged the why did you not pull Jenkins by saying he needs to finish looking at the tape

Said Apple had a big body on him and needed to put the big body on the ground (Have no idea what play he was talking about but I think it was the Bethard TD)

In comment 13690738 FStubbs said:

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In comment 13690717 Diver_Down said: Quote: In comment 13690701 aimrocky said: Quote: my only issue is that every Monday will feel like the sky is falling when the fan base gets riled up again after watching another half assed effort. McAdoo is the best option at leading us to a top 3 pick. Top 3? I'm confident under his tutelage that we should be able to secure the no.2 or even the no.1. Top 3. SF and Cleveland won't win again.

Well Cleveland can’t win “again” lol. We have the tiebreaker over SF since they beat us right?

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We have the tiebreaker over SF since they beat us right?

The tiebreak for the draft order is strength of schedule.

What good would it do to fire the coach midseason? That is for stupid teams who never accomplish anything. There is a good chance BM is getting canned, but you have to give him the whole season. Letting this play out is telling us about the character of the players. Or lack thereof.

a word restringing from 2015.
Looks VERY familiar.

If I was MacAdoo I'd be preaching this message:

"Hey I might be gone after this year but you 23 year olds are putting tape out there. I'll become an OC or QB Coach in 2 seconds and I can do that until I'm 60. What about you bums?"

In comment 13690868 ThatLimerickGuy said:

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If I was MacAdoo I'd be preaching this message: "Hey I might be gone after this year but you 23 year olds are putting tape out there. I'll become an OC or QB Coach in 2 seconds and I can do that until I'm 60. What about you bums?"

More like "I might be serving you at Taco Bell until I'm 60."

Fire everyone now. What more do we need to see?

...this is a "class organization" who takes losing gracefully. See, e.g., 1964-1980.

Macadoo would be best served showing he can devise a cogent offensive gameplan and hope he's considered for a future roll somewhere. He's so deeply over his head at head coach, it's impacting others' careers. He's an absolute disaster.

Mr. Mara evidently agrees with me.

F these owners

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F these owners

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It's going to get ugly at the Met-O-Lands folks.
I am curious to see: A) how many empty seats there will be,
and B) how many season tickets are sold to out of towners.
We won't know Part B though.
You could see this trainwreck coming...

In comment 13690903 joeinpa said:

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Mr. Mara evidently agrees with me.

Bullshit. McAdoo is a dead man walking.

But they will continue with the facade of continuity and "The Giants Way" with the goal of projecting stability to the next coach.

Has nothing to do with McAdoo deserving anything.

In comment 13690601 Danny Kanell said:

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Is anyone actually surprised? Firing a coach mid-season isn't how they do business. McAdoo is gone. Reese is gone. They're all gone. You're just not gonna get your pound of flesh until after the season. And ownership isn't wrong about this. Firing them now solves nothing.

Waiting until Jan 1 to fire and then start a search for GM who then will take a while to select a HC who then has to find position coaches etc puts that leadership in a bind for 2018.
The ideal would be if they had a (transition?) GM candidate not locked with another team (e.g. Gettleman?) who could step in and start righting the ship while "reviewing film" of players (and thus coaches abilities); start the process of evaluating and then culling dead wood NOW. He could also scout HC options. (Of course he would NEVER think about making behind the scenes contact with any potential choices - that would be illegal.)
Both the draft (old guard scouting for the new regime) and setting up the regimine for the off season would appear to be difficult with a post Jan house cleaning.
It is hard to believe that ownership, the Senior management team would not have all of these scenarios already thought out.

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Fire everyone now. What more do we need to see?

It's not their MO, not surprised with what they said...
par for the course around here.

Dumber.

In comment 13690691 mfsd said:

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Don’t want the malcontents rewarded for quitting on the team Clean house after the last game, but don’t see an upside to doing it now

Yup. They needed to either fire BM today or make it clear that he is here for the rest of the year.

thankfully.

Giants have fired a coach "in-season" just once in the last 86 years and only twice in their entire existence.

The most recent time was 41 years ago when Arnsparger was let go after starting 0-7. He was replaced by John McVay.

I believe Wellington said that it was a mistake to fire a coach during the season, because after McVay won a few games and the players stated how much they liked playing for him, Mara thought he "owed" it to McVay to give him a shot.

The Giants don't want to make the same mistake and they also probably believe that after making the playoffs in his first year that BM deserves a chance to turn it around.

The season is already lost. Firing him now won't change a thing except make the fans feel better.

In comment 13690660 AnnapolisMike said:

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They either needed to prop him up or fire him. Silence would have been the biggest mistake. In some ways this is the safer path. No worry of an interim HC doing well. It is the classy move. I would have preferred a canning today...but this is fair.

I'm not overly impressed with the capability of the ownership; succession and contingency planning should have started well before this. (McAdoo should have been in his 2nd or 3rd warning). A change now, even interim (e.g. Sully), is not the same as a late December firing. Give a new GM at least a half season to evaluate real time (e.g. is Spags part of the problem?).
But I don't think they would base a decision on the possibility that the new leadership would improve draft standing and consider that a negative. They DO have too much class for that.

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and I am absolutely fine with it. Knee jerk reactions are what you can expect from organizations like Cleveland. However, I will be disappointed if at the end of the season we see no changes, not enough change, or another bone head appointment of a head coach. I thought that offering the job to McAdoo was just too conservative of a move.

How can 1 and 8 be a knee jerk reaction? The warning flags should have been out at 0 and 5!
Games are played only 1 day a week but management should have been evaluating and planning 24/7 with this disaster.

In comment 13690710 Victor in CT said:

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program in Week10. It doesn't pay. If Ben and Jerry and their staffs are still employed on Jan 3 I'll be disappointed and despondent. We will be back to the mid '70s if that happens.

A new HC and GM will not impact 2017; they need a head start on evaluation (current players and the draft) and program changes for 2018.

In comment 13690767 Go Terps said:

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Reese and McAdoo haven't covered themselves with glory, and replacing them is completely fine...but I put this shitshow of a season on the players. I can't stress this enough: "I don't like the coach" is not an excuse from the players for quitting and/or putting forth less than full effort. It is not a fucking excuse. If it's OK to shitcan McAdoo and Reese now, it's OK to shitcan (at minimum) Jenkins and Apple now. I'm 3,000 miles away and not spending money on tickets so my voice doesn't mean shit, but my vote as a fan would be to never see those two play for the Giants ever again. I believe we are past contract and salary cap considerations and into the realm of a poisoned locker room and suspect organizational culture. I for one would like to see some radical shit done to the roster.

Agreed!!
A lot of the opinions on this thread seem to assume that there is a switch on the wall where you can turn a winning attitude on or off. Losing is a cancer and the longer it lingers the harder it is to correct.
If you have to amputate now so be it. (History shows however that only a few cells have to go to turn things around.)
Use the rest of the season to get ready for next year; evaluation and experience. (Don't try to change the system now).
Ben loved to talk about a heavy handed football team; what is need for the rest of the season is heavy handed leadership.

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In comment 13690780 yatqb said: Quote: And I'd cut Jenkins today if I was the GM. But sadly, players have such chutzpah that they don't fear being cut, assuming that another team will sign them to a huge contract in the next day or two. And they are right. Jenkins wouldn't have to wait very long to get another contract. Unfortunately for you, the players can read and add. Cutting Jenkins would incur a 21,000,000 dead cap hit. He knows he's not getting cut.

But if he sat on the bench for the next half dozen games his value would drop off the map.

In comment 13690791 Bill in TN said:

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that if they do fire JR and Mac they will still have to satisfy the Rooney Rule requirements for each, which will drag the process out even further. New leadership could take a while. So they better have their candidates identified by season's end.

Funny you mention the Rooney Rule, I think someone who fits that requirement should be a top candidate...Teryl Austin.

Get me to January.

Then you don't change your method of doing business rashly and reactionary. He's not blind, he's just not going to create more turmoil. The question in my mind is this a complete gut job or just the coaching staff? We all want the former.

Why are you making a big deal about this.

The only thing MacAdoo has done wrong is be a bad coach.

He s a man with a family who is on the brink of losing what he worked for his entire life. His assistant coaches and all the families are impacted.

Mara thinks he should finish the season, so do I.

It s an opinion, it s not right or wrong.

You should really try to stop taking these things so personally

My family spends a shit load of money's on season tickets. Fuckin A right it's personal.

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In comment 13690813 HomerJon But if he sat on the bench for the next half dozen games his value would drop off the map.

where do you guys get this stuff? So OBJ has less value on the market because he missed games?

And I wonder if people here are as professional in their workplace as they demand of the players.

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And I wonder if people here are as professional in their workplace as they demand of the players.

Seems a lot of guys collect a paycheck while posting on BBI. (I'm retired)

So we'll have to listen to McAdoo deny there is anything wrong with his team, and watch Reese walk away in silence, before answering questions about his failures.
I will not watch them until they change the coaching staff and GM!

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In comment 13690602 superspynyg said: Quote: As long as fans (ours or theirs) keep going to the game and buy beers food and such they will not change. The same with Wellington. He did not change Fassle until the seats were 3/4 empty by half time. Having said that keeping McAdoo and Reese right now just ensures our losing and atop draft pick. History and facts do not support your allegation about Wellington Mara or Mara/Tisch.

I agree. Plus, they are not filling any seats for home playoff games, or selling jerseys to an energized fan base. I am sure it is in everyone’s interest to field a competitive team.

In comment 13690887 lawguy9801 said:

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Fire everyone now. What more do we need to see?

Completely agree

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My family spends a shit load of money's on season tickets. Fuckin A right it's personal.

Absolutely right.

It is not an issue firing a coach mid season, it is just being clear. Miami did it last year, had a decent interim coach who restored some pride and did not ruin his coaching career, yet they had a search and got the person they wanted. What the hell is wrong with that??

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In comment 13691170 B in ALB said: Quote: My family spends a shit load of money's on season tickets. Fuckin A right it's personal. Absolutely right. It is not an issue firing a coach mid season, it is just being clear. Miami did it last year, had a decent interim coach who restored some pride and did not ruin his coaching career, yet they had a search and got the person they wanted. What the hell is wrong with that??

The Dolphins are hardly a franchise I'd want to emulate.

In comment 13691165 joeinpa said:

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Why are you making a big deal about this. The only thing MacAdoo has done wrong is be a bad coach. He s a man with a family who is on the brink of losing what he worked for his entire life. His assistant coaches and all the families are impacted. Mara thinks he should finish the season, so do I. It s an opinion, it s not right or wrong. You should really try to stop taking these things so personally

More dumb shit from joe.

He gets paid despite getting fired unless he gets a new job dumbass

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RE: Wow Sean : 11/13/2017 4:06 pm : link : reply In comment 13690595 Sammo85 said: Quote: Get ready for more embarrassment and drama. Mara really is a terrible owner. If his last name was Rogers or Williams, he would be seen as such instead of Wellington’s son. He can’t admit his mistake. McAdoo was his choice. Him and Chris need to stay out of football operations. He is also the one who is handling the Goodell negotiations and fighting for him to stay as commissioner. Tells you all you need to know. This is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever wrote on this site.

. . . Freudian slip I've ever read on this site.

can save his job.

He still loses the job he worked for all his life.

Again you get so angry in your rants here you lash out without thinking.

In comment 13691557 joeinpa said:

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He still loses the job he worked for all his life. Again you get so angry in your rants here you lash out without thinking.

Not angry at all. But it is personal. Spending thousands of dollars on this bullshit? Not any more.

sorry just go back and look at Fassal's last season and TC last season

In Fassell's last season Giants were coming off that huge SF playoff meltdown but still with large expectation --- Giants were 4-4 after 8 weeks -offense suddenly couldn't score points and then the injuries hit and the wheels came off

but in those last 8 games Giants were incredibly frustrating because our offensive weapons were gone and we just could not score but there was hope until the final couple of games .

TC last year Giants were 6 -10 and in many of those final games we were competitive

this season was are 1-8 and just were EMBARRASSED at HOME against a winless putrid team .Some of the players are in open revolt. There is NO HOPE NOW.

Macadoo needs to be gone YESTERDAY. if for nothing else then to show players - that there are consequences for not showing up and giving effort. The reality is many of these rebellious players will be on the roster next season - There has to be accountability and they have to be shown that Owners will do whatever it takes to get this organization winning again .. even removing the head coach in mid season.

So yes - removing the HC in middle of the season is an extraordinary move but damn this is a dumpster fire and you have to do something!

At this point everyone is dreaming of 1st pick of draft but we have 4 division games left .. do you really want to be embarrassed at home by the Redskins? Blown out by the Cowboys ? Knowing that our eagles will once again win again us

By keeping Mcadoo as head coach the Owners have guarantee that not only are they giving up the season - the Giants will go winless and will have record setting losses the rest of the way.

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can save his job.

No it doesn't. It says that there isn't a viable interim coach on the roster and John remembers Wellington talking regretfully about firing Arnsparger midseason only to have McVay look like a good candidate in a limited audition. We all know how that turned out.

It's not about McAdoo saving his job; it's about understanding that there is no benefit to trying to salvage this season. And in seven weeks, when the Giants are looking for their next head coach, they'll have the advantage of a high draft pick and an ownership situation that doesn't have a reputation of being vindictive or reactionary in their decisions. Whether or not you accept that, it does matter.

In comment 13691580 giantfan2000 said:

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Macadoo needs to be gone YESTERDAY. if for nothing else then to show players - that there are consequences for not showing up and giving effort.(1) The reality is many of these rebellious players will be on the roster next season - There has to be accountability and they have to be shown that Owners will do whatever it takes to get this organization winning again .. even removing the head coach in mid season. So yes - removing the HC in middle of the season is an extraordinary move but damn this is a dumpster fire and you have to do something! At this point everyone is dreaming of 1st pick of draft but we have 4 division games left .. do you really want to be embarrassed at home by the Redskins? Blown out by the Cowboys ? Knowing that our eagles will once again win again us By keeping Mcadoo as head coach the Owners have guarantee that not only are they giving up the season - the Giants will go winless and will have record setting losses the rest of the way. (2)

1. That's exactly the opposite of the message you'd be sending to the players. What you'd actually be signaling to them is that if they quit on a coach they can get that coach fired whenever they want.

2. Has it occurred to you that the Giants realize that if their team is going to be bad that it's better to be really bad and get as high a draft pick as possible?

It's probably not about wanting to keep Ben, as much as it is about being able to start the coaching search clean at season's end.

However, what's more interesting is what they do with Reese. I do think they could get away with firing him now - the GM's job is different.So, if he's not gone soon, that tells me he's staying - it's tough to bring in a new GM right before the draft ... and weird to fire one right after that.

And Slade is an insider or some shit.

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It's probably not about wanting to keep Ben, as much as it is about being able to start the coaching search clean at season's end. However, what's more interesting is what they do with Reese. I do think they could get away with firing him now - the GM's job is different.So, if he's not gone soon, that tells me he's staying - it's tough to bring in a new GM right before the draft ... and weird to fire one right after that.

I don't think they could get away with NOT firing Reese now. It was "on Jerry" 2 years ago when he was wrongly allowed to scapegoat Coughlin. The thing about "not bringing is a new GM before the draft is a crock. What serious GM candidate isn't heavily into to scouting for the draft already?

Well that s a legitimate position. Just didn t get why you had to jump all over my position that I agreed with Mara.

And believe me I wan t MacAdoo gone. But I keep remembering the last time Giants fired a coach in mid-season, Arnsparger.

The interim coach,McVay, won enough games where The players raved about him and Wellington Mara felt pressured to hire him.

Let it play out, that s what I think is best.

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In comment 13691557 joeinpa said: Quote: He still loses the job he worked for all his life. Again you get so angry in your rants here you lash out without thinking. Not angry at all. But it is personal. Spending thousands of dollars on this bullshit? Not any more.

Pfffftttt. What's a few thousand between friends?

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1. That's exactly the opposite of the message you'd be sending to the players. What you'd actually be signaling to them is that if they quit on a coach they can get that coach fired whenever they want.

I disagree replacing the coach will mean to the players that EVERYONE is currently being evaluated . Right now - the players can continue to just phone it in because they know McAdoo is the scapegoat and the villain. There is no-one in charge now . This needs to change

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2. Has it occurred to you that the Giants realize that if their team is going to be bad that it's better to be really bad and get as high a draft pick as possible?

If the attitude of Ownership only goal is #1 pick . Not to try to be competitive at all in the half way point of the season when half your games are division rivals . The owners should return all the season ticket holders money.

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It's probably not about wanting to keep Ben, as much as it is about being able to start the coaching search clean at season's end. However, what's more interesting is what they do with Reese. I do think they could get away with firing him now - the GM's job is different.So, if he's not gone soon, that tells me he's staying - it's tough to bring in a new GM right before the draft ... and weird to fire one right after that.

I'm not familiar with the way teams treat front office hires during the season and whether or not they'd allow the Giants (or any team) to hire one of their GM's lieutenants midseason. So if by firing Reese now you paint yourself into either hiring Gettleman/Dorsey or leaving the chair vacant until after the season, what's the benefit?

Chances are, Reese gets fired right after the season (along with McAdoo) and the new GM will end up having to rely heavily upon Ross for the draft and Sternfeld/Abrams for free agency. Ross (and some scouts, potentially) could be let go after the draft. I also wouldn't be shocked to see someone like Accorsi/Parcells/Polian step in as an interim consultant to help with the transition because there will be a lot of moving parts all at the same time.

It's not ideal to handle it in two stages like that, but it gives you the greatest opportunity to vet multiple candidates rather than just taking who is available right now simply for the sake of firing Reese immediately.

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If the attitude of Ownership only goal is #1 pick . Not to try to be competitive at all in the half way point of the season when half your games are division rivals . The owners should return all the season ticket holders money.

I'm not suggesting that should be ownership's only goal, just that maybe they have more of a long-range view than you do. In the long run, if you're not going to be good, you're better off bottoming out for a year and getting yourself the highest draft pick available. You can chase a few meaningless wins this year and increase the likelihood that you stay mediocre going forward, or you can let the disaster unfold and hope for the chance to usher in the next successful era of Giants football.

As for the season ticket holders, a large chunk of them are ticket brokers anyway. And for those that are actual fans, they still have the freedom and ability to sell their tickets for this season. It's not like they don't already do so a fair amount of time in other years even when the team is decent.

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In comment 13691535 micky said: Quote: can save his job. No it doesn't. It says that there isn't a viable interim coach on the roster and John remembers Wellington talking regretfully about firing Arnsparger midseason only to have McVay look like a good candidate in a limited audition. We all know how that turned out. It's not about McAdoo saving his job; it's about understanding that there is no benefit to trying to salvage this season. And in seven weeks, when the Giants are looking for their next head coach, they'll have the advantage of a high draft pick and an ownership situation that doesn't have a reputation of being vindictive or reactionary in their decisions. Whether or not you accept that, it does matter.

This was a good reply GD. +1

have to step in and save Mara from himself. He seems clueless these days. History repeats itself. Do you trust him to pick the new GM?

In comment 13690887 lawguy9801 said:

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Fire everyone now. What more do we need to see?

you sound like a fucking 5 year old, pathetic.

Overall, BM is 12-13 as a HC in the NFL. I'm sure the decision has already been made, but the owners probably want to see what the guy is made of, and can he actually turn it around and get the team playing some resemblance of good football. Which may serve him well in a future position.

But I suspect the conversation went something like this, quoting No Country for Old Men:

"This is the best deal you're going to get. I won't tell you that you can save yourself, because you can't. ... "

is happy with the way this season is unfolding or the immediate future of this team. We are all a little worried that the status quo will stand. For weeks or moths we have heard a chorus oh how the Giants crave stability, they don't fire GMs and how they wouldn't fire McAdoo after ony two seasons. These ideas have become all most gospell truths warranted or not. So when Mara comes out with a statement like this one, some people will interpret it automatically as confirming our worst fears. Cut through the statement with an open mind and its not a very strong statement of support.

And a owner pays zero attention to the fans, it's such a relief.... And being a Giants fan when I read things like "par for the course" from a Giants fan, I mean you just sound like such a fucking dumb tool with zero perspective. Go root for a team where it is par for the course.