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tator : 11/13/2017 3:56 pm
According to Schefters Facebook page..

Statement from John Mara and Steve Tisch:
"Ben McAdoo is our head coach and has our support. We are in the midst of an extremely disappointing season. Our performance this year, particularly the past two weeks, is inexcusable and frustrating. While we appreciate that our fans are unhappy with what has occurred, nobody is more upset than we are.
“Our plan is to do what we have always done, which is to not offer a running commentary on the season. It is our responsibility to determine the reasons for our poor performance and at the end of the year, we will evaluate the 2017 season in its entirety and make a determination on how we move forward.”
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Very well  
Bramton1 : 11/13/2017 4:31 pm : link
But if they decide to keep Reese and/or McAdoo for 2018, I'm be taking a break from the NFL.
Does this surprise anyone?  
BigBlue4You09 : 11/13/2017 4:31 pm : link
Did you really think they were going to make a change mid-season?
The decision  
MotownGIANTS : 11/13/2017 4:31 pm : link
is disrespectful to all fans and the young players that are still giving 100%
>>>>>  
Koffman : 11/13/2017 4:32 pm : link
Translation  
Jay on the Island : 11/13/2017 4:33 pm : link
We are a dumpster fire and firing McAdoo now and replacing him with Sullivan or Spags won't change a thing. They will all be gone following the season.
This is the right call  
mfsd : 11/13/2017 4:33 pm : link
Don’t want the malcontents rewarded for quitting on the team

Clean house after the last game, but don’t see an upside to doing it now
RE: Gents - what good would it do to have  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/13/2017 4:34 pm : link
In comment 13690669 section125 said:
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What needed to happen was one of the leaders/captains jack somebody up. All along we were told there were no leaders in the lockerroom and obviously that is true.
We'll have to suffer through the rest of the year. Jenkins should sit and Cockerell should start and find somebody to start for Apple - Deayon?.


ITA with all of this.
Good  
Marty866b : 11/13/2017 4:34 pm : link
Hated to think that a new coach would motivate this team to win a couple of very meaningless games. I would never root against the team as I watch a game but draft position at this point is important. With Mac in charge,we have already won as many as we are going to this year.
RE: It's got to be horrible for Mara too.  
HomerJones45 : 11/13/2017 4:35 pm : link
In comment 13690671 larryflower37 said:
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They watch this every week but I respect that they are sticking with the plan and not going with pure emotions.

Now if they don't make changes Jan 1st and wipe this clean.
Well...
Good, I hope he watches every horrible minute. Maybe next time he'll think before playing GM Jr or use his fucking head when he hires a coach or he decides to listen to Forrest Gump.
Completely fine with this  
aimrocky : 11/13/2017 4:37 pm : link
my only issue is that every Monday will feel like the sky is falling when the fan base gets riled up again after watching another half assed effort.

McAdoo is the best option at leading us to a top 3 pick.
I don't know ....  
Beer Man : 11/13/2017 4:40 pm : link
What else would have to go wrong for them to see that Mac has clearly lost this team? I can't remember ever seeing a team quitting with so many games left to play in a season, while operating as though no one is in control. And they want to charge fans to watch this garbage?
Making a move now clearly does have an upside  
mikeinbloomfield : 11/13/2017 4:40 pm : link
The longer you have to research and make a decision, the better that decision is likely to be.

I want the Giants to have a new GM and coach on day one of the offseason, so they can get to work rebuilding the roster, especially through the draft. Firing McAdoo and Reese on January 1st only gives them four months to rebuild the organization and get ready for the draft.

Fire them now and you can get that first part done sooner.

But, this is obviously not to be. That's ok, if the decision has been made at least, ownership can put together a list of targets.
This is not surprising at all...  
EricJ : 11/13/2017 4:41 pm : link
and I am absolutely fine with it. Knee jerk reactions are what you can expect from organizations like Cleveland.

However, I will be disappointed if at the end of the season we see no changes, not enough change, or another bone head appointment of a head coach.

I thought that offering the job to McAdoo was just too conservative of a move.
firing him now does nothing. no new coach can implement a new  
Victor in CT : 11/13/2017 4:41 pm : link
program in Week10. It doesn't pay.

If Ben and Jerry and their staffs are still employed on Jan 3 I'll be disappointed and despondent. We will be back to the mid '70s if that happens.
If Reese & McAdoo return...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/13/2017 4:43 pm : link
Oh man. The BBI server might explode.
RE: Completely fine with this  
Diver_Down : 11/13/2017 4:45 pm : link
In comment 13690701 aimrocky said:
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my only issue is that every Monday will feel like the sky is falling when the fan base gets riled up again after watching another half assed effort.

McAdoo is the best option at leading us to a top 3 pick.


Top 3? I'm confident under his tutelage that we should be able to secure the no.2 or even the no.1.
hope fans "actually" make THEIR STATEMENT  
micky : 11/13/2017 4:47 pm : link
and not show up to games..i mean NO ONE...
I can live with this because he will be gone at the end of the season  
montanagiant : 11/13/2017 4:49 pm : link
But I will be furious if they don't get rid of Reese also
It probably is the right move. Hopefully they spoke with BM  
RDJR : 11/13/2017 4:50 pm : link
and told him his public persona with the media and on the sidelines needs to change a bit. That fiasco of a post game presser was an embarrassment to the franchise and to BM’s future career goals. On the sidelines it would be helpful for him to interact a bit with the players and be a positive influence. Obviously, he’s not a cheerleader, but he needs to be a leader and act like one. He has 7 games left to leave a positive impression with the Giants or any future employer.
Why the Mara s are good owners  
joeinpa : 11/13/2017 4:54 pm : link
Don t listen to the hysteria. He obviously is saying not making a change now, but if things don t turn around there will be changes.

Exactly the correct move. Coach deserves the entire season.
RE: RE: Completely fine with this  
FStubbs : 11/13/2017 4:55 pm : link
In comment 13690717 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 13690701 aimrocky said:


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my only issue is that every Monday will feel like the sky is falling when the fan base gets riled up again after watching another half assed effort.

McAdoo is the best option at leading us to a top 3 pick.



Top 3? I'm confident under his tutelage that we should be able to secure the no.2 or even the no.1.


Top 3. SF and Cleveland won't win again.
RE: RE: Completely fine with this  
aimrocky : 11/13/2017 4:56 pm : link
In comment 13690717 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 13690701 aimrocky said:


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my only issue is that every Monday will feel like the sky is falling when the fan base gets riled up again after watching another half assed effort.

McAdoo is the best option at leading us to a top 3 pick.



Top 3? I'm confident under his tutelage that we should be able to secure the no.2 or even the no.1.


Coaching change can lead to an inspired effort, which could produce a few more wins. It's obvious this roster has quit on this current staff. I'd be shocked if we win one more game under their guidance.
So they only care when the fans don't show up?  
TC : 11/13/2017 5:04 pm : link
Start caring! I'm not wasting anymore Sundays on this team!

If they are convinced they want to let him stick around, I hope like hell they have a plan for who's next at HC & GM before Jan 1st, because it's too late by then.
RE: THe only thing they care about is MONEY.  
clatterbuck : 11/13/2017 5:09 pm : link
In comment 13690602 superspynyg said:
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As long as fans (ours or theirs) keep going to the game and buy beers food and such they will not change. The same with Wellington. He did not change Fassle until the seats were 3/4 empty by half time.

Having said that keeping McAdoo and Reese right now just ensures our losing and atop draft pick.


History and facts do not support your allegation about Wellington Mara or Mara/Tisch.
If they aren't going to fire the players, they shouldn't fire anyone  
Go Terps : 11/13/2017 5:09 pm : link
Reese and McAdoo haven't covered themselves with glory, and replacing them is completely fine...but I put this shitshow of a season on the players. I can't stress this enough:

"I don't like the coach" is not an excuse from the players for quitting and/or putting forth less than full effort. It is not a fucking excuse.

If it's OK to shitcan McAdoo and Reese now, it's OK to shitcan (at minimum) Jenkins and Apple now. I'm 3,000 miles away and not spending money on tickets so my voice doesn't mean shit, but my vote as a fan would be to never see those two play for the Giants ever again. I believe we are past contract and salary cap considerations and into the realm of a poisoned locker room and suspect organizational culture. I for one would like to see some radical shit done to the roster.
Terps, I agree with you.  
yatqb : 11/13/2017 5:16 pm : link
And I'd cut Jenkins today if I was the GM.

But sadly, players have such chutzpah that they don't fear being cut, assuming that another team will sign them to a huge contract in the next day or two. And they are right. Jenkins wouldn't have to wait very long to get another contract.
RE: If they aren't going to fire the players, they shouldn't fire anyone  
rocco8112 : 11/13/2017 5:16 pm : link
In comment 13690767 Go Terps said:
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Reese and McAdoo haven't covered themselves with glory, and replacing them is completely fine...but I put this shitshow of a season on the players. I can't stress this enough:

"I don't like the coach" is not an excuse from the players for quitting and/or putting forth less than full effort. It is not a fucking excuse.

If it's OK to shitcan McAdoo and Reese now, it's OK to shitcan (at minimum) Jenkins and Apple now. I'm 3,000 miles away and not spending money on tickets so my voice doesn't mean shit, but my vote as a fan would be to never see those two play for the Giants ever again. I believe we are past contract and salary cap considerations and into the realm of a poisoned locker room and suspect organizational culture. I for one would like to see some radical shit done to the roster.


good post

quitting kills football teams. I do not like the coach is not a reason to not play.

If Reese gets a paws though I may flip. He should have been gone two years ago. He was "put on notice" and now the team is the worst in the NFL.
I like that this ownership  
Keith : 11/13/2017 5:16 pm : link
doesn't cater to the public and overreact. They have a plan and they stick to it. Good for them.

Both MacAdoo and Reese will probably get fired after the season, as they should, but the culture of this team is way more concerning.

What we are seeing right now is a major problem and a new coach won't fix it. It might be ok short term and we may win some games and win the division, but as soon as adversity hits, we see what happens to a lot of these guys. What we have seen from Apple and Jenkins is a major problem and as much as I like Jenkins, you cannot have that on your team.
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rocco8112 : 11/13/2017 5:17 pm : link
In comment 13690781 rocco8112 said:
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In comment 13690767 Go Terps said:


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Reese and McAdoo haven't covered themselves with glory, and replacing them is completely fine...but I put this shitshow of a season on the players. I can't stress this enough:

"I don't like the coach" is not an excuse from the players for quitting and/or putting forth less than full effort. It is not a fucking excuse.

If it's OK to shitcan McAdoo and Reese now, it's OK to shitcan (at minimum) Jenkins and Apple now. I'm 3,000 miles away and not spending money on tickets so my voice doesn't mean shit, but my vote as a fan would be to never see those two play for the Giants ever again. I believe we are past contract and salary cap considerations and into the realm of a poisoned locker room and suspect organizational culture. I for one would like to see some radical shit done to the roster.



good post

quitting kills football teams. I do not like the coach is not a reason to not play.

If Reese gets a paws though I may flip. He should have been gone two years ago. He was "put on notice" and now the team is the worst in the NFL.


correction : I agree not liking the coach is no reason to quit.
Not Surprised and Ultimately  
clatterbuck : 11/13/2017 5:18 pm : link
probably won't change evenutual outcome. I'd normally agree with this approach -- wait out the season and then do what needs to be done -- but the product on the field is just so terrible, I thought more aggressive action was warranted. It's going to be an ugly next few months.
Don't forget  
Bill in TN : 11/13/2017 5:20 pm : link
that if they do fire JR and Mac they will still have to satisfy the Rooney Rule requirements for each, which will drag the process out even further.
New leadership could take a while. So they better have their candidates identified by season's end.
RE: Why the Mara s are good owners  
HomerJones45 : 11/13/2017 5:27 pm : link
In comment 13690736 joeinpa said:
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Don t listen to the hysteria. He obviously is saying not making a change now, but if things don t turn around there will be changes.

Exactly the correct move. Coach deserves the entire season.
Horseshit. They do listen to the "hysteria"- more than most.
RE: Why the Mara s are good owners  
B in ALB : 11/13/2017 5:35 pm : link
In comment 13690736 joeinpa said:
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Don t listen to the hysteria. He obviously is saying not making a change now, but if things don t turn around there will be changes.

Exactly the correct move. Coach deserves the entire season.


He doesn't DESERVE anything.

He needs to earn the right to be there.

And owners don't listen to hysteria? Since when?

And if things don't turn around? Is that a joke?
RE: Terps, I agree with you.  
HomerJones45 : 11/13/2017 5:36 pm : link
In comment 13690780 yatqb said:
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And I'd cut Jenkins today if I was the GM.

But sadly, players have such chutzpah that they don't fear being cut, assuming that another team will sign them to a huge contract in the next day or two. And they are right. Jenkins wouldn't have to wait very long to get another contract.
Unfortunately for you, the players can read and add. Cutting Jenkins would incur a 21,000,000 dead cap hit. He knows he's not getting cut.
RE: Yawn.  
PatersonPlank : 11/13/2017 5:44 pm : link
In comment 13690661 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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They're all gone come January 1st.


Agreed. This sounds like "I'll fire him the day after the season ends" to me.
If you just listened to McAdoo's Conference call he just had  
montanagiant : 11/13/2017 5:46 pm : link
You would not be shocked in the least that Mara changes his mind.

He claimed the team showed grit because they scored while down 31-13

He dodged the why did you not pull Jenkins by saying he needs to finish looking at the tape

Said Apple had a big body on him and needed to put the big body on the ground (Have no idea what play he was talking about but I think it was the Bethard TD)
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BigBlue4You09 : 11/13/2017 5:51 pm : link
In comment 13690738 FStubbs said:
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my only issue is that every Monday will feel like the sky is falling when the fan base gets riled up again after watching another half assed effort.

McAdoo is the best option at leading us to a top 3 pick.



Top 3? I'm confident under his tutelage that we should be able to secure the no.2 or even the no.1.



Top 3. SF and Cleveland won't win again.


Well Cleveland can’t win “again” lol. We have the tiebreaker over SF since they beat us right?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Completely fine with this  
ray in arlington : 11/13/2017 5:55 pm : link
In comment 13690839 BigBlue4You09 said:
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We have the tiebreaker over SF since they beat us right?


The tiebreak for the draft order is strength of schedule.
Of course this is the right move....  
Dry Lightning : 11/13/2017 5:58 pm : link
What good would it do to fire the coach midseason? That is for stupid teams who never accomplish anything. There is a good chance BM is getting canned, but you have to give him the whole season. Letting this play out is telling us about the character of the players. Or lack thereof.
Sounds like  
old man : 11/13/2017 6:02 pm : link
a word restringing from 2015.
Looks VERY familiar.
This is the right thing to do.  
ThatLimerickGuy : 11/13/2017 6:13 pm : link
If I was MacAdoo I'd be preaching this message:

"Hey I might be gone after this year but you 23 year olds are putting tape out there. I'll become an OC or QB Coach in 2 seconds and I can do that until I'm 60. What about you bums?"
RE: This is the right thing to do.  
HomerJones45 : 11/13/2017 6:18 pm : link
In comment 13690868 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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If I was MacAdoo I'd be preaching this message:

"Hey I might be gone after this year but you 23 year olds are putting tape out there. I'll become an OC or QB Coach in 2 seconds and I can do that until I'm 60. What about you bums?"
More like "I might be serving you at Taco Bell until I'm 60."
What a goddamn joke.  
lawguy9801 : 11/13/2017 6:24 pm : link
Fire everyone now. What more do we need to see?
Oh wait, I forgot...  
lawguy9801 : 11/13/2017 6:25 pm : link
...this is a "class organization" who takes losing gracefully. See, e.g., 1964-1980.
...  
christian : 11/13/2017 6:28 pm : link
Macadoo would be best served showing he can devise a cogent offensive gameplan and hope he's considered for a future roll somewhere. He's so deeply over his head at head coach, it's impacting others' careers. He's an absolute disaster.
B Alabama  
joeinpa : 11/13/2017 6:36 pm : link
Mr. Mara evidently agrees with me.
It is up to the Giants fans to boycott the games  
ZogZerg : 11/13/2017 6:37 pm : link
F these owners
RE: It is up to the Giants fans to boycott the games  
Carson53 : 11/13/2017 6:45 pm : link
In comment 13690905 ZogZerg said:
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F these owners
...

It's going to get ugly at the Met-O-Lands folks.
I am curious to see: A) how many empty seats there will be,
and B) how many season tickets are sold to out of towners.
We won't know Part B though.
You could see this trainwreck coming...
RE: B Alabama  
B in ALB : 11/13/2017 6:46 pm : link
In comment 13690903 joeinpa said:
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Mr. Mara evidently agrees with me.


Bullshit. McAdoo is a dead man walking.

But they will continue with the facade of continuity and "The Giants Way" with the goal of projecting stability to the next coach.

Has nothing to do with McAdoo deserving anything.
RE: .  
KeoweeFan : 11/13/2017 6:47 pm : link
In comment 13690601 Danny Kanell said:
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Is anyone actually surprised? Firing a coach mid-season isn't how they do business. McAdoo is gone. Reese is gone. They're all gone. You're just not gonna get your pound of flesh until after the season. And ownership isn't wrong about this. Firing them now solves nothing.

Waiting until Jan 1 to fire and then start a search for GM who then will take a while to select a HC who then has to find position coaches etc puts that leadership in a bind for 2018.
The ideal would be if they had a (transition?) GM candidate not locked with another team (e.g. Gettleman?) who could step in and start righting the ship while "reviewing film" of players (and thus coaches abilities); start the process of evaluating and then culling dead wood NOW. He could also scout HC options. (Of course he would NEVER think about making behind the scenes contact with any potential choices - that would be illegal.)
Both the draft (old guard scouting for the new regime) and setting up the regimine for the off season would appear to be difficult with a post Jan house cleaning.
It is hard to believe that ownership, the Senior management team would not have all of these scenarios already thought out.
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