Belichick, Carroll, Reid & Tomlin are the obvious guys at the top. I would put Marvin Lewis up there too considering the franchise he works for & the consistency he has shown. John Harbaugh is a SB winner who is a good coach.
Who else out there is a big time coach? There are a lot of coordinators turned HC’s in the NFL which aren’t that impressive. If you’ve seen one, you’ve seen a million.
I always hear, ‘I don’t want a retread’ when going over HC candidates. These recent SB winning coaches have all been retreads:
Bill Belichick
Gary Kubiak
Pete Carroll
Tom Coughlin
Tony Dungy
The more I think of it, the more I like the idea of Mike Smith as the next NYG coach. He went 66-46 in 7 seasons with ATL which included 4 double digit win seasons (2 of which 13-3). 5 straight winning seasons when taking over after Petrino bailed on the franchise & after the Vick drama. I can guarantee you, this hire would NOT excite people, but this is a NFL head coach who can be trusted to run the program.
I look around at a lot of these coordinators turned head coaches, and I’m just not impressed.
The Giants were Coughlin's second NFL HC job. Pats were Bill B's second as well.
Head coach is typically an ownership call.
Personally I like Rivera and Arians as well though like Lewis you'd get arguments.
There's just no formula. Some of the guys were retreads, some young guns. If I was picking, I'd err on the side of experience. Not necessarily HC experience but 15-20 years at different levels. Seen a lot, dealt with a lot.
Personally I like Rivera and Arians as well though like Lewis you'd get arguments.
There's just no formula. Some of the guys were retreads, some young guns. If I was picking, I'd err on the side of experience. Not necessarily HC experience but 15-20 years at different levels. Seen a lot, dealt with a lot.
Payton had 3 straight 7-9 seasons, saying Payton is a good coach is the same as saying Coughlin should have stayed beyond 2015.
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are a couple that should be on your list.
Personally I like Rivera and Arians as well though like Lewis you'd get arguments.
There's just no formula. Some of the guys were retreads, some young guns. If I was picking, I'd err on the side of experience. Not necessarily HC experience but 15-20 years at different levels. Seen a lot, dealt with a lot.
Payton had 3 straight 7-9 seasons, saying Payton is a good coach is the same as saying Coughlin should have stayed beyond 2015.
Uh, no. Coughlin was a good coach but he had reached his expire date here. Reid's a good coach but the time came for him in Philly too.
I think a good coach who may have worn out his welcome in a first stop is a good idea.
I think the title asks a good question. I think there's probably only 5-7 really good coaches in the league. Probably the same amount of really bad ones. The rest are probably fungible, with their success dependent on fit and luck than their individual talent/or lack thereof.
I think a good coach who may have worn out his welcome in a first stop is a good idea.
I think the title asks a good question. I think there's probably only 5-7 really good coaches in the league. Probably the same amount of really bad ones. The rest are probably fungible, with their success dependent on fit and luck than their individual talent/or lack thereof.
Which is why I come back to Mike Smith. I’m intrigued by McDaniels, but this hire needs to hit. I see Mara playing it safe.
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are a couple that should be on your list.
Personally I like Rivera and Arians as well though like Lewis you'd get arguments.
There's just no formula. Some of the guys were retreads, some young guns. If I was picking, I'd err on the side of experience. Not necessarily HC experience but 15-20 years at different levels. Seen a lot, dealt with a lot.
Payton had 3 straight 7-9 seasons, saying Payton is a good coach is the same as saying Coughlin should have stayed beyond 2015.
Uh, no. Coughlin was a good coach but he had reached his expire date here. Reid's a good coach but the time came for him in Philly too.
My point is- I think Sean Payton’s time came with the Saints, but he got the extra year and now he’s 7-2.
Plus he's a defensive minded head coach and we haven't had one of those since Bill Parcells. Time to get back to that.
Now all of a sudden they have some good young corners and they can get stops. I don't think he re-learned to coach. They finally got some personnel.
Here are a couple college HC's I'd be interested in looking at:
Matt Ruhl, HC Baylor - has Giants ties as an asst under TC. Turned around a perennial loser in Temple in pretty quick fashion.
Washington Huskies HC, Chris Peterson - impressive resume as HC at Boise St & U of W. Not sure if he's a great fit in NYC, but this guy seems to have the goods.
The Giants were Coughlin's second NFL HC job. Pats were Bill B's second as well.
Technically the Pats were L'il B'ill's third HC job. It's just that he was head coach of the Jets for about 25 seconds.
Good golly, could you imagine if Bill stayed with the Jets and had the same kind of success? *shudder*
Mike Smith wouldn’t be awful. But he’d need to bring in a strong OC mind.
A good HC is largely determined by situation, resources, organizational planning, as much by their intelligence and skill set.
The Giants were Coughlin's second NFL HC job. Pats were Bill B's second as well.
TC also had some success with the expansion Jags.
Plus he's a defensive minded head coach and we haven't had one of those since Bill Parcells. Time to get back to that.
I liked Mike Smith in Atlanta, just keep in mind..
1. He doesn't have an electric personality (we know this doesn't matter, but some people may feel 'unimpressed' after hearing him speak).
2. Beware clock management issues.
I'd personally swing for the fences and try finding a young guy with a fresh approach. Sure it could yield another disaster like McAdoo, but the game is changing, and the Giants need to get with the times. McVay and Pederson might be flashes in the pan, but they seem to be going about things the right way and have managed impressive turnarounds so far. I'd want something in that vein. Find a bright up-and-coming assistant on a consistently successful franchise (except for the Patriots -- we know Belichick's the real brains in that operation ;-)).
Here are a couple college HC's I'd be interested in looking at:
Matt Ruhl, HC Baylor - has Giants ties as an asst under TC. Turned around a perennial loser in Temple in pretty quick fashion.
Washington Huskies HC, Chris Peterson - impressive resume as HC at Boise St & U of W. Not sure if he's a great fit in NYC, but this guy seems to have the goods.
I would love Chris Peterson. Not sure he would leave though. David Shaw would also be a home run hire but he has no interest in leaving Stanford. I can't really blame them. If your a big time college coach making a lot of money, why leave?
I’d love Harbaugh as the next coach of NYG.
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He turned around a team that, if not as bad as the Giants are right now, certainly had a far more toxic environment.
Plus he's a defensive minded head coach and we haven't had one of those since Bill Parcells. Time to get back to that.
I liked Mike Smith in Atlanta, just keep in mind..
1. He doesn't have an electric personality (we know this doesn't matter, but some people may feel 'unimpressed' after hearing him speak).
2. Beware clock management issues.
Also, for being a defensive guy, his defenses were never special. He never put together a pass rush whatsoever.
I'd take Lewis as defensive coordinator if he's available though.