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Top OT Prospects

JoeyBigBlue : 11/14/2017 9:30 am
While the talk has been QB all season, I wanted to see the interest at OT. I know Flowers has been better recently, but I donít see him as the long term LT on the team. I think he could make an above average RT. My question is, ďIs there any top 10 worthy LTs in this upcoming draft?Ē I donít follow college football enough to know the top prospects. So far the only guy Iíve read about is Mike McGlinchey the LT from Notre Dame. Any other guys I should keep an eye for in the coming Bowl season.
I have heard that  
Kevin in Annapolis : 11/14/2017 9:42 am : link
McGlinchey had major trouble with speed rushers. The OT from Texas that has been hurt all year is supposed to be the best one.
RE: I have heard that  
EddieNYG : 11/14/2017 9:44 am : link
In comment 13691698 Kevin in Annapolis said:
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McGlinchey had major trouble with speed rushers. The OT from Texas that has been hurt all year is supposed to be the best one.


I'm hoping Williams falls to Round 2 after the injury. He's been compared to Joe Staley
Love McGlinchey  
Powerclean765 : 11/14/2017 10:04 am : link
I did a write up on Nelson but McGlinchey would be a nice consolation prize. He reminds me of Conklin.

Sure he isn't the quickest guy, but he's a grinder and a technician. You can plug him in anywhere. For a team needing core starters at 3 or 4 positions, McGlinchey works. Get in where you fit in. And he will.
McGlinchey was a turnstile  
gmenrule : 11/14/2017 10:10 am : link
against Georgia. Would rather take the ND OG Nelson !
Poor year to look for a blue chip LT  
JonC : 11/14/2017 10:11 am : link
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JonC you don't like  
Powerclean765 : 11/14/2017 10:17 am : link
Orlando Brown? He could be a Hall of Famer IMO. I'm dying to see what the Giants think of him.
I really feel  
HoodieGelo : 11/14/2017 10:25 am : link
like Nelson from Notre Dame is special. The type of guy who only comes around once in a while. I know OT is a "more important" position, but I think getting someone who can be a leader, and really form a new core of OL for the gmen for years to come is just as good. Like a Chris Snee.
You can't  
larryinnewhaven : 11/14/2017 10:33 am : link
take a guard at 2. Ten yes. Nelson is a monster though!!!
RE: RE: I have heard that  
jeff57 : 11/14/2017 10:38 am : link
In comment 13691703 EddieNYG said:
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In comment 13691698 Kevin in Annapolis said:


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McGlinchey had major trouble with speed rushers. The OT from Texas that has been hurt all year is supposed to be the best one.



I'm hoping Williams falls to Round 2 after the injury. He's been compared to Joe Staley


From what I've read, a lot of scouts think Williams needs to hit the weight room.
Drafttek's  
EddieNYG : 11/14/2017 10:38 am : link
OT Rankings
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Don't know if there's a top 10 OT in this draft  
jeff57 : 11/14/2017 10:39 am : link
But Nelson is worthy of a top 10 selection.
RE: McGlinchey was a turnstile  
LauderdaleMatty : 11/14/2017 10:45 am : link
In comment 13691747 gmenrule said:
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against Georgia. Would rather take the ND OG Nelson !


I agree. Wheeler supposedly has all the tools and needs to get stronger. Him at LT. Flowers at right tackle. Nelson at LG. Still need a new C and RG. Pugh is a good player but injuries should make the
Team a bit wary depending on the Marker. I want Jerry Richberg either Tom or as backups.
Nelson is a beast  
Bluesbreaker : 11/14/2017 10:55 am : link
We need to let Richberg take a hike a guy like Billy Price
another guy I like is Isaiah Wynn .
Nelson Will be gone unless we move up in round #2 what
pisses me off when we knew we were not going anywhere we
could have moved DRC to get some extra picks .
I assuming Flowers is continue to get better as he has this year  
BLUATHRT : 11/14/2017 11:01 am : link
and OG and RT become larger needs. If that's the case, there is talent to be had in round 2, not a top 5 pick.
Nelson is my guy also...a guy  
Thatís Gold, Jerry : 11/14/2017 11:33 am : link
with a nasty attitude...we need him and more guys like him going forward.
Nelson is my guy also...a guy  
Thatís Gold, Jerry : 11/14/2017 11:36 am : link
with a nasty attitude...we need him and more guys like him going forward.
RE: Nelson is my guy also...a guy  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/14/2017 11:40 am : link
In comment 13691894 Thatís Gold, Jerry said:
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with a nasty attitude...we need him and more guys like him going forward.


Mel Kiper said last week he may end up grading out as the highest rated guard in the last 30 years and has a chance to be in the top 10 picks even though he is not a tackle.
Jon  
ryanmkeane : 11/14/2017 11:42 am : link
it seems like the last 3-4 drafts the NYG opinion has been that there aren't "blue chip" prospects yet there has been some really good OL taken in the first few rounds every year. I'm having a hard time believing that there just aren't good prospects out there. I think it's scouting and our philosophy on drafting that is holding us back from building a strong roster.
McGlinchey  
ryanmkeane : 11/14/2017 11:45 am : link
is about as clean as they come. All of a sudden he's not a really good OL prospect? He's playing LT at the highest level of competition in college and doing it at a high level for a dominating offense. C'mon. There aren't any Orlando Pace's anymore in college. With the systems that teams run now and the need to be more athletic, there just aren't these blue goose tackles available - but there are really good OL available every year.

We've just passed on them for lesser players.
This isnt a shot  
LauderdaleMatty : 11/14/2017 11:50 am : link
At the Engram pick. Kid looks like he's a keeper.

BUT. There were 3 guys whom were all possible OT choices for
The Giants and predract the chorus was None were worth it. Bolles Ramczyk and Robinson all are Starting and to be just as promising

The reality is Reese always passes on OL when he has the chance. He was desperate need when he strung together Pugh Richberg and Flowers. His first 5 years as GM he took only Beatty in the first 3 rounds.

He and his staff are enamored w WRs DL and CB. Eli Apple could have been Decker? Detroit grabbed him from
ohio St.

He passed on guys Like Max Unger and Cordy Glenn he wouldn't have had to mass pick. It is what it is. They need a new GM and staff.
Orlando Brown  
NikkiMac : 11/14/2017 11:53 am : link
Gets my vote !
RE: RE: Nelson is my guy also...a guy  
Jerry from Maine : 11/14/2017 11:54 am : link
In comment 13691905 BigBlueinChicago said:
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In comment 13691894 Thatís Gold, Jerry said:


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with a nasty attitude...we need him and more guys like him going forward.



Mel Kiper said last week he may end up grading out as the highest rated guard in the last 30 years and has a chance to be in the top 10 picks even though he is not a tackle.
Ah Crap... I've been watching Nelson all year thing this is the guy we need to draft.. even commented on a previous thread. But now Mel (I'm always wrong) Kipper says he's the best guard in 30 years... bad memories of Tony Mandarich are flooding my brain. :)
ryan  
JonC : 11/14/2017 11:54 am : link
If we're picking top 3, they can't force the pick at OT. It's all about value picking that high.
RE: ryan  
ryanmkeane : 11/14/2017 11:59 am : link
In comment 13691943 JonC said:
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If we're picking top 3, they can't force the pick at OT. It's all about value picking that high.

Agreed...I just think they take the "don't force a pick" thing a little too literally sometimes. No one is saying take a OL first overall. But hell, rounds 2-4 would be nice every once in awhile. We've taken 1 OL in the last 2 drafts...in the 6th round! It's almost like we are allergic to thinking that any of them are good.
Jon  
ryanmkeane : 11/14/2017 12:02 pm : link
totally get the value part. But we've been saying "it's all about value" for 5 years now with horrendous draft results in most of the rounds.
RE: ryan  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/14/2017 12:03 pm : link
In comment 13691943 JonC said:
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If we're picking top 3, they can't force the pick at OT. It's all about value picking that high.


For some reason, I think they might take an edge rusher rather than QB aka Chubb.
RE: Jon  
JonC : 11/14/2017 12:28 pm : link
In comment 13691953 ryanmkeane said:
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totally get the value part. But we've been saying "it's all about value" for 5 years now with horrendous draft results in most of the rounds.


It doesn't matter. Let's not conflate skipping an OT at #20-something to pick Engram with risking a top 5 pick on a suspect OT.

It's still early, but I don't see an OT in the mix yet in the top 5.

Would agree pass rusher would appear a more likely target, but the options there appear few. Key, Chubb etc need to be tested.
Rumor has it  
idiotsavant : 11/14/2017 12:42 pm : link
Tradivarius Downizarious is a heck of a prospect.
Trade down  
WillVAB : 11/14/2017 12:43 pm : link
Take Nelson and Brown and this OL looks a hell of a lot better with cheap, high quality talent.

That said, McGlinchey and Nelson arenít perfect. McGlinchey got beat by speed off the edge a few plays vs Miami and also got fooled on some stunts. Nelson was up and down vs Miami as well and got shoved on his ass Bobby Hart style one play early on.
You really need that new, OL centric, GM / HC  
idiotsavant : 11/14/2017 12:51 pm : link
Combo ASAP

As they will bring missing wisdom to this project.
RE: This isnt a shot  
allstarjim : 11/14/2017 1:09 pm : link
In comment 13691934 LauderdaleMatty said:
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At the Engram pick. Kid looks like he's a keeper.

BUT. There were 3 guys whom were all possible OT choices for
The Giants and predract the chorus was None were worth it. Bolles Ramczyk and Robinson all are Starting and to be just as promising

The reality is Reese always passes on OL when he has the chance. He was desperate need when he strung together Pugh Richberg and Flowers. His first 5 years as GM he took only Beatty in the first 3 rounds.

He and his staff are enamored w WRs DL and CB. Eli Apple could have been Decker? Detroit grabbed him from
ohio St.

He passed on guys Like Max Unger and Cordy Glenn he wouldn't have had to mass pick. It is what it is. They need a new GM and staff.


Bolles went prior to the Giants' pick.

I still want Darnold. He is really picking up and he and his team are winning, unlike Rosen's Bruins. I am always skeptical of a QB whose team isn't winning games. I know it's a team sport but no position on the football field has more impact to wins and losses than the QB.

Darnold is still the prototype QB and I think his skillset is perfect for the Giants and I think eventually he will be the best QB out of this upcoming draft.
To me  
ryanmkeane : 11/14/2017 1:13 pm : link
Darnold is the best prospect in this class. Would be ecstatic if we drafted him to be the next franchise QB.
RE: McGlinchey  
ajr2456 : 11/14/2017 3:04 pm : link
In comment 13691919 ryanmkeane said:
[quote] is about as clean as they come. All of a sudden he's not a really good OL prospect? He's playing LT at the highest level of competition in college and doing it at a high level for a dominating offense. C'mon. There aren't any Orlando Pace's anymore in college. With the systems that teams run now and the need to be more athletic, there just aren't these blue goose tackles available - but there are really good OL available every year.

We've just passed on them for lesser players. [/quote

The two games he played against high end defenses he got worked over.
RE: McGlinchey  
BlueHurricane : 11/14/2017 4:06 pm : link
In comment 13691919 ryanmkeane said:
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is about as clean as they come. All of a sudden he's not a really good OL prospect? He's playing LT at the highest level of competition in college and doing it at a high level for a dominating offense. C'mon. There aren't any Orlando Pace's anymore in college. With the systems that teams run now and the need to be more athletic, there just aren't these blue goose tackles available - but there are really good OL available every year.

We've just passed on them for lesser players.


By any chance did you watch the Miami game? He was beaten like a drum.
He looked bad  
NNJ Tom : 11/14/2017 4:07 pm : link
against the Canes. Flowers is better.
Positionals are weird  
idiotsavant : 11/14/2017 4:43 pm : link
I mean, can you imagine a year without a highly touted 'top O tackle' or 'best qb'..One that rises up the boards?

The risk is that in order to have that staple, because it is a staple, low first rounders get elevated in our minds to top five types?

Top five is very risky.
Agree with NNJ Tom  
Bill in TN : 11/14/2017 4:51 pm : link
McGlinchey was horrible against the U. Looked like Flowers.
We're picking a qb  
Marty866b : 11/14/2017 5:00 pm : link
Idiocy not to.
I'd be surprised if we don't take a QB in the 1st.  
yatqb : 11/14/2017 5:16 pm : link
But imo you go for a sure impact player there, whether it's a QB or a great pass rusher or a great MLB or a shutdown CB. Greatness is what you look for. If you're not sold on a QB you don't select him.

Hopefully they will have a great conviction on one when their turn comes, but if not it can set a franchise back many years to select one who turns out lousy.
I'm all in on ND Nelson  
CardinalX : 11/14/2017 5:56 pm : link
just hope we are able to trade back past the 10th pick and get him in a more appropriate spot than where we'll likely be drafting. i know, wishful thinking
In the 2015 draft  
mrvax : 11/14/2017 6:03 pm : link
the Redskins selected Scherff, a guard with overall pick #5.
i wouldn't throw the remote  
CardinalX : 11/14/2017 6:19 pm : link
or much of anything else if we used our top pick on Nelson if after all is said and done he looks to be "that guy". i am a devout believer in building a team starts with the trenches. i just dont see the Gmen even sniffing an interior lineman b4 the top 10 is all
If the Giants clean house  
mrvax : 11/14/2017 6:23 pm : link
and the new staff loves Webb, our pick might be swapped for a bonanza of picks. Then we should consider solid Oline prospects.
Be nice  
old man : 11/14/2017 7:28 pm : link
If we got both McG and Nelson for the G positions, presuming Flowers is finally becoming a LT, and Wheeler for RT.
If Wheeler is a LT, Nelson as the LG, and EF at RG, where I think he is best served for a run game makes a good start.
Either case makes for a young OL.
People are going to go nuts with  
idiotsavant : 11/14/2017 7:47 pm : link
A very high pick.

Brady was, what? A sixth rounder?

There are no qbs in the 2019 draft? they are all on haitus?

Not sure the fan base really wants another year of neutered run game, castrated run D and fundamental imbalance, no lbs, etc.

Furthermore, what decent new coach and GM would not want to address lbs, guards and so forth?

Those things take quality spots.
RE: People are going to go nuts with  
WillVAB : 11/14/2017 9:39 pm : link
In comment 13692514 idiotsavant said:
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A very high pick.

Brady was, what? A sixth rounder?

There are no qbs in the 2019 draft? they are all on haitus?

Not sure the fan base really wants another year of neutered run game, castrated run D and fundamental imbalance, no lbs, etc.

Furthermore, what decent new coach and GM would not want to address lbs, guards and so forth?

Those things take quality spots.


Yep. Look at this roster. Weíll barely have enough bodies just to fill out the roster at OL and LB. That is unless the Giants overpay for guys in FA. Trade down, fix the trenches, and improve the front 7 on defense.

RE: McGlinchey, he wasnít ďhorribleĒ vs Miami. I watched Nelson/McGlinchey specifically in that game and both were ok overall. Both had some bad plays.
McGlinchey  
Peppers : 11/14/2017 10:31 pm : link
When its all said and done come April will be a worthy top 5 pick. He has everything an OLine coach will love to work with.

yat on target  
JonC : 11/15/2017 8:15 am : link
I know many want Eli to play five more years and or Webb to be the QB already in hand so we're free to pick the best OT, etc. But, if we're picking top 2 I think a QB will be very likely to carry the grade.
Everybody set your DVR to USC-UCLA this weekend...  
Milton : 11/15/2017 8:22 am : link
I have a feeling that'll be a game we'll be revisiting many times between now and April.
yup  
JonC : 11/15/2017 8:24 am : link
did it last night.
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