NFT: Today's Yank's update. Chad Green to start

Fastball slider change?

I read Cash was talking to CC's agent too. We'll have plenty of starting arms it sounds like. Hopefully Otani pushes Green to the BP...

In comment 13692301 adamg said:

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Fastball slider change? I read Cash was talking to CC's agent too. We'll have plenty of starting arms it sounds like. Hopefully Otani pushes Green to the BP...

Yes, but it didn't seem like he relied on it like he did the fastball and slider. Maybe it was because he was coming out of the pen and knew he would only be used for a few innings.

He wanted to play some winter ball but the Yanks wouldn't let him. They'll monitor the rest of the rehab and have him ready to go by spring training. Third base is Headley's "to defend" - not nearly as definitive as Cash usually is about Headley.

But I'm pretty sure he ends up back in the pen. He's been mostly awful as an MLB starter. Just doesn't have the secondary stuff.

go to the pen than the other way around. So I see this as more of a strategic decision than anything else. It also goes along with Cashman's history w/re to publicly making light of a perceived need (ala the Bubba Crosby situation).

Not news per se, but they're not shopping him, was the gist...

In comment 13692316 adamg said:

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Not news per se, but they're not shopping him, was the gist...

Who are the first 3? Judge,Frazier,Gardner or Hicks. Wouldn't that make Ells the 5th.

No mention of Frazier in the quotes I saw, but he certainly left open the possibility of an Ellsbury trade, and said he was gonna talk to Boras before he left these meetings.

In comment 13692323 bceagle05 said:

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No mention of Frazier in the quotes I saw, but he certainly left open the possibility of an Ellsbury trade, and said he was gonna talk to Boras before he left these meetings.

Didn't see that. That would be amazing.

Heard mentioned that McCann trade happened after a talk with the agent, so that would seem the necessary condition to getting rid of Ellsy.

wonder if they plan on trading Frazier then. I thought he earned a starting position going into spring training. I hope who ever makes the decision puts the best three out there.

Doesn't mean Green or Warren will be a starter when the season starts though. Just easier to have to many than to build them up if they start ST as relievers.

he'll have to ask for or approve any trade. Frazier is definitely trade bait but that doesn't mean he's going to be traded. The Yankees have more guys than they have spots. I expect a trade soon to clear 40 man space and possibly a bigger trade later in the winter 3 or 4 for 1 if they have a target they really want. The Yankees have a lot of really good trade chips.

Cash indicated he was going to talk to Boras about Ellsbury, but didn't get into specifics. I think we can assume it's regarding potential places Ellsbury would be willing to go, but it's still gonna be tough to pull off. I don't think it's the worst thing in the world for Clint Frazier to get a little more time in AAA, unless he just kills spring training. He's still a little rough around the edges.

That Cash expects Torres to push Headley at 3rd base. I may be reading too much into it, but does that mean they will not be bringing Fraizer back to man 3rd for another season?

In comment 13692330 arniefez said:

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he'll have to ask for or approve any trade. Frazier is definitely trade bait but that doesn't mean he's going to be traded. The Yankees have more guys than they have spots. I expect a trade soon to clear 40 man space and possibly a bigger trade later in the winter 3 or 4 for 1 if they have a target they really want. The Yankees have a lot of really good trade chips.

There was an article a couple of weeks ago that claimed Seattle may be interested in acquiring Ells, but that the Yankees would have to eat a big chunk of his salary. I don't know what Hal thinks about that, but Ells is taking up a roster spot that is needed to protect some of the future Yanks from being exposed to the Rule-5 draft.

Can go screw. It's all about Torres, Ohtani and getting younger. Frazier adds solid veteran depth glue-guy stuff. Try to unload Headley for a bucket of balls and some rosin bags.

Cash made it clear at the time of the trade that he was a rental, and he's usually blunt and honest about such things. Yankees have Headley under contract, a couple of prospects knocking on the door, and Machado hitting free agency next year - I can't fathom handing Toddfather a multi-year deal. I'm tired of Chase as well, but his proficiency at first base probably keeps him around as insurance at both corners.

If they find a way to move Ellsbury and keep the DH spot open for a combination of the extra outfielder, Sanchez and (hopefully) Otani, we'd have a great, young, flexible 25-man roster.

by Cash telling Ells that he is the 4th outfielder, it will give him the incentive to waive his NT stipulation.

In comment 13692354 bceagle05 said:

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Cash made it clear at the time of the trade that he was a rental, and he's usually blunt and honest about such things. Yankees have Headley under contract, a couple of prospects knocking on the door, and Machado hitting free agency next year - I can't fathom handing Toddfather a multi-year deal. I'm tired of Chase as well, but his proficiency at first base probably keeps him around as insurance at both corners. If they find a way to move Ellsbury and keep the DH spot open for a combination of the extra outfielder, Sanchez and (hopefully) Otani, we'd have a great, young, flexible 25-man roster.

True, but I thought that Fraizer's contributions, enthusiasm and leadership down the stretch may have changed Cash's thinking and possibly pushed Headley out the door.

Torres beats out Headley for the 3rd base job?

In comment 13692378 ajr2456 said:

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Torres beats out Headley for the 3rd base job?

Probably close to 0% out of Spring Training, but substantially higher later in the season if he regains his pre-injury form.

they'll save about 10 million a year. Because the guys who would replace him don't make anything. Frazier or McKinney or Cave, etc. They'd all make rookie scale for 2 or 3 years.

But weren't they stretching Green's out innings and sort of a pitch count from out of the BP, and also have a winning start in September?

Writers don't seem to think he's a fit. Too soon for the position.

Didi had good words for Beltran as a mentor.

He'd be an interesting guy for the job.

Is a lousy fielding third baseman. It would be a big step backwards to see him at 3rd again.

In comment 13692383 arniefez said:

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they'll save about 10 million a year. Because the guys who would replace him don't make anything. Frazier or McKinney or Cave, etc. They'd all make rookie scale for 2 or 3 years.

Ellsbury has $21.1M due to him annually through 2020 with a 2021 club option that will turn into a $5M buyout. So call it $66M due to him going forward. Yanks are going to have to eat $50M of that to move him. What team would voluntarily pay him more Han $5M per year in his current useless state?

$68M total due to him including 2021 buyout. Yankees are eating way more than 50% of that contract to move him, IMO

But even if they eat 45 million they'd be saving money and have a better player in his place.

In comment 13692420 arniefez said:

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But even if they eat 45 million they'd be saving money and have a better player in his place.

oh no question about it, I’m all for basically any trade

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In comment 13692411 Dave in PA said:

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$68M total due to him including 2021 buyout. Yankees are eating way more than 50% of that contract to move him, IMO

Probably still a better alternative than not playing him

In comment 13692323 bceagle05 said:

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No mention of Frazier in the quotes I saw, but he certainly left open the possibility of an Ellsbury trade, and said he was gonna talk to Boras before he left these meetings.

I have a feeling the yanks possibly move Frazier if the right deal comes along. He doesn't look at pitches and I'd have to think the yanks love hicks and Gardner. Plus they have outfielders down on the farm. Frazier showed enough to garner interest. Maybe the yanks feel it's wise to sell high. Who knows...

In comment 13692520 djm said:

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In comment 13692323 bceagle05 said: Quote: No mention of Frazier in the quotes I saw, but he certainly left open the possibility of an Ellsbury trade, and said he was gonna talk to Boras before he left these meetings. I have a feeling the yanks possibly move Frazier if the right deal comes along. He doesn't look at pitches and I'd have to think the yanks love hicks and Gardner. Plus they have outfielders down on the farm. Frazier showed enough to garner interest. Maybe the yanks feel it's wise to sell high. Who knows...

I hope that is not the case. Hicks had a good start this past season, but by year end was back to the same old / same old. The upside and youth of Fraizer should compel the Yanks to keep him over Hicks. Not to mention Gardy is on the back 9 of his career.

In comment 13692375 Beer Man said:

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In comment 13692354 bceagle05 said: Quote: Cash made it clear at the time of the trade that he was a rental, and he's usually blunt and honest about such things. Yankees have Headley under contract, a couple of prospects knocking on the door, and Machado hitting free agency next year - I can't fathom handing Toddfather a multi-year deal. I'm tired of Chase as well, but his proficiency at first base probably keeps him around as insurance at both corners. If they find a way to move Ellsbury and keep the DH spot open for a combination of the extra outfielder, Sanchez and (hopefully) Otani, we'd have a great, young, flexible 25-man roster. True, but I thought that Fraizer's contributions, enthusiasm and leadership down the stretch may have changed Cash's thinking and possibly pushed Headley out the door.

No complaints about T. Frazier's contributions this year - good guy and he can pick it at 3B. But I can understand if he's viewed as a rental.

To hold the fort until Torres is ready, then be a bench guy...but Headleys under contract, while Frazier will likely want a multi year deal - and no way we should give him that

Headleys an OK vet bat but his defense sucks...but don’t want to bring some other vet in to block Torres.

So in sum, I suspect we suffer Headley until Torres is ready to take the job

In comment 13692411 Dave in PA said:

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$68M total due to him including 2021 buyout. Yankees are eating way more than 50% of that contract to move him, IMO

I agree with this (as I think most do). They would have to eat a vast majority of this contract. I think it's worth it to do so. The contract is a sunk cost at this point.

I understand the benefits of starting him in the minors and gaining an extra year of service time, but this team has World Series aspirations and every game counts.

Like Severino he will develop the third pitch. Smart move with plenty of upside.

Frazier and Headley are yesterdays news. Lets stop being so sentimental and step back and see what Todd Frazier brings to the table. Not enough.

Gardner has one year left on his deal. Want to let him move on for zilch or package him in a deal now? If you do the door opens for the red head. Fine with me if Clint Frazier is packaged in a deal as he is a viable chip to bring back some gold


Torres might be better at second then 3rd. Leaving Castro as trade bait or a DH?


I'd love to pick up some of those KC Royal FA's. If you picked up their gold glove first basemen then Bird becomes our DH. Or if instead you picked up Moustakas their lefty hitting 3rd basemen then Torres can move to 2nd where he belongs. Many possibilities. The future is now

They are not going to sign a first baseman so Bird can DH. Just stop.

but maybe you should think about stepping down from that thrown of yours. LOL

I think it happens.

In comment 13692610 xman said:

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but maybe you should think about stepping down from that thrown of yours. LOL

I’m not anywhere ready to step down from my thrown. And especially not when the reason would be because someone suggested that Greg Bird be the DH. They are NOT adding to payroll to add a first baseman to have Bird DH. Not happening. Now please move back from my thrown. You’re embarrassing me being this close.

from that ghetto of a thrown you rest that big head of yours on. I take it that the other half dozen points regarding Gardner torres Castro etc pass your blind inspection.

It would be nice to read a creative idea regarding the Yankees future from that quick wit of yours if you have that ability. But I can understand if you are still flummoxed by the Yanks showing Girardi the door . LOL

Re-sign T Frazier for a year, sign Manny next offseason.

In comment 13692342 Beer Man said:

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That Cash expects Torres to push Headley at 3rd base. I may be reading too much into it, but does that mean they will not be bringing Fraizer back to man 3rd for another season?

To be fair, that's also exactly what Cash should be saying if he's looking to trade Castro (or is entertaining offers for Castro). Headley doesn't really have trade value, so he wouldn't be damaging anything by putting it out there that Torres will compete with Headley. All that does is at least limp in on the idea that Torres could play 2B which would make Castro somewhat expendable.

Or maybe that's just my own wishful thinking that Cash would try to get rid of a guy who takes no walks, swings at everything and is clumsy in the field and that if he's as focused on analytics as he seems, he wouldn't take a ++ middle infield bat and stick him at a corner where his bat isn't nearly as big of an advantage.

In comment 13692636 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 13692342 Beer Man said: Quote: That Cash expects Torres to push Headley at 3rd base. I may be reading too much into it, but does that mean they will not be bringing Fraizer back to man 3rd for another season? To be fair, that's also exactly what Cash should be saying if he's looking to trade Castro (or is entertaining offers for Castro). Headley doesn't really have trade value, so he wouldn't be damaging anything by putting it out there that Torres will compete with Headley. All that does is at least limp in on the idea that Torres could play 2B which would make Castro somewhat expendable. Or maybe that's just my own wishful thinking that Cash would try to get rid of a guy who takes no walks, swings at everything and is clumsy in the field and that if he's as focused on analytics as he seems, he wouldn't take a ++ middle infield bat and stick him at a corner where his bat isn't nearly as big of an advantage.

What in God's name does Torres pushing Headley at 3rd base have anything to do with Castro?

In comment 13692626 Toastt34 said:

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Re-sign T Frazier for a year, sign Manny next offseason.

Why spend that kind of money on Manny, when they also have Andujar near MLB ready.

In comment 13692590 xman said:

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Like Severino he will develop the third pitch. Smart move with plenty of upside. Frazier and Headley are yesterdays news. Lets stop being so sentimental and step back and see what Todd Frazier brings to the table. Not enough. Gardner has one year left on his deal. Want to let him move on for zilch or package him in a deal now? If you do the door opens for the red head. Fine with me if Clint Frazier is packaged in a deal as he is a viable chip to bring back some gold Torres might be better at second then 3rd. Leaving Castro as trade bait or a DH? I'd love to pick up some of those KC Royal FA's. If you picked up their gold glove first basemen then Bird becomes our DH. Or if instead you picked up Moustakas their lefty hitting 3rd basemen then Torres can move to 2nd where he belongs. Many possibilities. The future is now

I think most agree with you that Frazier and Headley are yesterdays news. However, the team still needs a stopgap or insurance policy at 3B for next year to be the bridge to Torres or Andujar. I prefer Frazier be that bridge. But regardless of which direction the team goes, next year should be that player's last in a Yankee uniform.

a 3+ year contract. Though not perfect, Headley is a nice stopgap for Andujar. Could be a lot worse. Same goes for Castro, though he is on the books for '19 as well.

In comment 13692674 section125 said:

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In comment 13692636 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 13692342 Beer Man said: Quote: That Cash expects Torres to push Headley at 3rd base. I may be reading too much into it, but does that mean they will not be bringing Fraizer back to man 3rd for another season? To be fair, that's also exactly what Cash should be saying if he's looking to trade Castro (or is entertaining offers for Castro). Headley doesn't really have trade value, so he wouldn't be damaging anything by putting it out there that Torres will compete with Headley. All that does is at least limp in on the idea that Torres could play 2B which would make Castro somewhat expendable. Or maybe that's just my own wishful thinking that Cash would try to get rid of a guy who takes no walks, swings at everything and is clumsy in the field and that if he's as focused on analytics as he seems, he wouldn't take a ++ middle infield bat and stick him at a corner where his bat isn't nearly as big of an advantage. What in God's name does Torres pushing Headley at 3rd base have anything to do with Castro?

Because Torres pushing Castro reduces Castro's trade value theoretically. Like I said, that could just be my own wishful thinking because I'd rather have Torres at 2B and would like to sell high on Castro rather than count on a guy with poor plate discipline and clumsy defense to maintain his trade value.