I wrote to him last fall. He responded with a handwritten note. I couldn’t believe that he took the time to personally write back to me. The Mara family is all class!
of canned responses that he updates regularly. Then an associate prints one and shows the fan note to Mara to read then sign and mail off. In any case it's a nice gesture.
of canned responses that he updates regularly. Then an associate prints one and shows the fan note to Mara to read then sign and mail off. In any case it's a nice gesture.
and it starts at the top. They never panic, never make rash decisions and they don't cater to public pressure. Then they do things like this which make me proud.
I wrote him about my disappointment in the Josh Brown situation Â
...clever to say "I have your letter" instead of "I have read your letter." That way, he can straight-faced issue canned responses without actually having to assert he's read every fan complaint letter.
I have about five handwritten letters from Wellington Â
extremely impressive. Heck I still have a number of letters I received from Santa Claus from my youth. Neither delivered much. Now grow a set of nuts put your fictitious writing utensil down and fire this inept GM who should have banished years ago! Your PSL Ponzi scheme is about to collapse with the sickening product you think your filling your fans with.
extremely impressive. Heck I still have a number of letters I received from Santa Claus from my youth. Neither delivered much. Now grow a set of nuts put your fictitious writing utensil down and fire this inept GM who should have banished years ago! Your PSL Ponzi scheme is about to collapse with the sickening product you think your filling your fans with.
What do you think you're bringing to the forum? Name calling in the game threads and patronizing comments like these?
It’s nice he Giants put some effort into public relations. My youngest daughter wrote to Eli and OBJ last year and she was thrilled to get really nice fan kits from both of them.
Hey, I know Eli isn’t reading all these things and I’m pretty John Mara isn’t reading every piece of fire McAdoo mail that comes to his attention. But the letters show that they care about the fans. I don’t doubt for one minute that the Mara’s are upset about this season and even as a cynical middle aged guy I do think the Mara Tisch’s care very much about the Big Blue faithful.
But if they let McAdoo ruin Eli’s streak or run him out of town I’ll be the first among us to boycott the team. Do not mess with Eli!
extremely impressive. Heck I still have a number of letters I received from Santa Claus from my youth. Neither delivered much. Now grow a set of nuts put your fictitious writing utensil down and fire this inept GM who should have banished years ago! Your PSL Ponzi scheme is about to collapse with the sickening product you think your filling your fans with.
What do you think you're bringing to the forum? Name calling in the game threads and patronizing comments like these?
I'm tired of his mis management of this team and allowing Eli to twist in the wind for the last six years. You have a problem with that my friend?
I was sitting across from his wife and him flying from Phoenix to Newark about two years ago. His daughter and what appeared to be a security/bodyguard was also sitting by them. When I went to go pick up my luggage at the carousel, he was standing there by himself and grabbed his two bags and went outside. I was shocked to see a man worth half a billion dollars pick up his own luggage and was impressed.
I was sitting across from his wife and him flying from Phoenix to Newark about two years ago. His daughter and what appeared to be a security/bodyguard was also sitting by them. When I went to go pick up my luggage at the carousel, he was standing there by himself and grabbed his two bags and went outside. I was shocked to see a man worth half a billion dollars pick up his own luggage and was impressed.
There are plenty of things to be impressed with the Maras about. I'm not sure this is one of them.
It's not something I would have thought before this season. You've been typically level headed, smart, and offered some really good posts. And actually checked me once when I was out of bounds a piece about Toronto.
It's not something I would have thought before this season. You've been typically level headed, smart, and offered some really good posts. And actually checked me once when I was out of bounds a piece about Toronto.
Are you ok buddy? It's all good.
thanks for the kind words man. All good here - just tired of a pretty bad stretch of football
extremely impressive. Heck I still have a number of letters I received from Santa Claus from my youth. Neither delivered much. Now grow a set of nuts put your fictitious writing utensil down and fire this inept GM who should have banished years ago! Your PSL Ponzi scheme is about to collapse with the sickening product you think your filling your fans with.
What do you think you're bringing to the forum? Name calling in the game threads and patronizing comments like these?
I'm tired of his mis management of this team and allowing Eli to twist in the wind for the last six years. You have a problem with that my friend?
If you can read, you'd see my problem is pretty obvious:
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Blue Moon : 11/12/2017 5:51 pm : link : reply
want a be Olivier Vernon the better off this roster will be come on Johnny Boy grow a set of nuts and fire this asshole.
extremely impressive. Heck I still have a number of letters I received from Santa Claus from my youth. Neither delivered much. Now grow a set of nuts put your fictitious writing utensil down and fire this inept GM who should have banished years ago! Your PSL Ponzi scheme is about to collapse with the sickening product you think your filling your fans with.
What do you think you're bringing to the forum? Name calling in the game threads and patronizing comments like these?
I'm tired of his mis management of this team and allowing Eli to twist in the wind for the last six years. You have a problem with that my friend?
If you can read, you'd see my problem is pretty obvious:
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The sooner we cut that ISIS
Blue Moon : 11/12/2017 5:51 pm : link : reply
want a be Olivier Vernon the better off this roster will be come on Johnny Boy grow a set of nuts and fire this asshole.
extremely impressive. Heck I still have a number of letters I received from Santa Claus from my youth. Neither delivered much. Now grow a set of nuts put your fictitious writing utensil down and fire this inept GM who should have banished years ago! Your PSL Ponzi scheme is about to collapse with the sickening product you think your filling your fans with.
Are you still waiting for co-op real estate to collapse as a "ponzi scheme" too?
extremely impressive. Heck I still have a number of letters I received from Santa Claus from my youth. Neither delivered much. Now grow a set of nuts put your fictitious writing utensil down and fire this inept GM who should have banished years ago! Your PSL Ponzi scheme is about to collapse with the sickening product you think your filling your fans with.
What do you think you're bringing to the forum? Name calling in the game threads and patronizing comments like these?
I'm tired of his mis management of this team and allowing Eli to twist in the wind for the last six years. You have a problem with that my friend?
Eli is twisting in the wind to the tune of having been paid more than any franchise has paid any player in the history of the NFL. Give it a rest.
RE: how do you know John Mara wrote those letters? Â
and spoke briefly to John on the sidelines last year.
they know who their customers are and I expect change this off season, (Reese, on down)
They do not like empty seats in NOV and December
I'm sure John is furious and changes will finally be made
Wellington even sent flowers to my grandmothers funeral in 2002. My Dad has never forgotten that, it gave him a little lift to an otherwise very sad day
however, if he really cared as much as the emotional letter content suggests we would not be seeing this stuff for 4+ seasons. Let's not kid ourselves here. Separate the emotion from the facts (organization not getting it done and the excuses are wearing thin). When the game starts, nobody gives an f about tradition and who our owners are. Some but not many. Sometimes teams change ownership too however when they become continual losers.
RE: If i received a fan letter from a season ticket holder that Â
Was focused on Eli or OBJ I'd reply by saying their tickets had been revoked
Well there's no waiting list so that'd be pretty dumb of anyone with some financial sense.
Welcome back by the way.
The the poster above who talked about a "PSL ponzi scheme" - I'm not following, the PSLs have already been sold and everyone has their seats, as promised. If tax reform (combined with enhanced TV experience) crushes the sports ticket market, and it might, it was pretty smart it would then turn out to have sold the PSLs and gotten that cash upfront... versus the Dolan way of doubling/tripling everyone's ticket prices at MSG in recent years to pay for his renovations.
of canned responses that he updates regularly. Then an associate prints one and shows the fan note to Mara to read then sign and mail off. In any case it's a nice gesture.
That's totally fine. At least they sent something like that back. I was applying for NFL jobs to get my foot in the door, some teams like the Bears would sent a fucking post card type thing from HR. So when teams send something like that it still means a lot. At least it did for me.
God forbid you say something true, or accurate, the only thing these people want to hear is how class and great the Mara's are, say anything else and your inhuman. Tim Mara was a great owner, Wellington screwed up everything from the mid sixties on forward, he did it by trying to make former Giants a part the organization. Then when he tried to correct that he made a couple of horrible head coaching decisions.
The league had to come in and take over and hand the Giants to George Young, all the apologists are going to tell you it was because of the in fighting, and that is simply not true, that was a part of it, the biggest reason was just how bad this franchise became, they were the laughing stock of the league, the excuse the league needed was all the in fighting.
To excuse that and make it into nothing is irresponsible. Now since then they have become a great franchise once again, and there is nothing bad that can be said about John Mara at all, but let's be accurate and honest in our appraisal.
Very weird way of signing his own name. I mean, look at the way the J, the K, and the M are formed and how his pen meanders along to get his own name on paper. Any handwriting analysts (graphoanalysis pros -- pseudo-science though it is thought to be these days) out there who might have something interesting to say about this?
doesn't mind risks (tails up a bit at end) which contrasts with our narrative here..
Only bad part is that it's a tad too legible:
Which, too much legibility may indicate some slight in this case basic misapprehensions . if it was super legible, one might say low IQ . (signatures dont require it, so...) But it's not -that- legible.....really...
Well, it's a start. Too late to hope for additional creative inputs, I guess. But this is more fun that taking apart Reese et al and the team, which is no fun at all.
It makes me laugh when Giants fans criticize the Maras or say things like they the fans care more.
They are good owners and seem like good people.
And they are very successful.
Agree. Name and date changed.
If you write, he will respond. It’s cool of him to do that.
It makes me laugh when Giants fans criticize the Maras or say things like they the fans care more.
They are good owners and seem like good people.
And they are very successful.
Umm did you read any posts on this thread? Everyone here is saying it’s classy and defending the Mara’s
What do you think you're bringing to the forum? Name calling in the game threads and patronizing comments like these?
Hey, I know Eli isn’t reading all these things and I’m pretty John Mara isn’t reading every piece of fire McAdoo mail that comes to his attention. But the letters show that they care about the fans. I don’t doubt for one minute that the Mara’s are upset about this season and even as a cynical middle aged guy I do think the Mara Tisch’s care very much about the Big Blue faithful.
But if they let McAdoo ruin Eli’s streak or run him out of town I’ll be the first among us to boycott the team. Do not mess with Eli!
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extremely impressive. Heck I still have a number of letters I received from Santa Claus from my youth. Neither delivered much. Now grow a set of nuts put your fictitious writing utensil down and fire this inept GM who should have banished years ago! Your PSL Ponzi scheme is about to collapse with the sickening product you think your filling your fans with.
What do you think you're bringing to the forum? Name calling in the game threads and patronizing comments like these?
I'm tired of his mis management of this team and allowing Eli to twist in the wind for the last six years. You have a problem with that my friend?
.... not really ... don't tase me bro!
Add in New Yoak and fuggetaboutit.
If any owners want to get all touchy and sensitive about it, I would suggest a less public enterprise.
There are plenty of things to be impressed with the Maras about. I'm not sure this is one of them.
Les, you ok? Some weird shit from you lately.
It's not something I would have thought before this season. You've been typically level headed, smart, and offered some really good posts. And actually checked me once when I was out of bounds a piece about Toronto.
Are you ok buddy? It's all good.
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Conservative and late to act.
Les, you ok? Some weird shit from you lately.
It's not something I would have thought before this season. You've been typically level headed, smart, and offered some really good posts. And actually checked me once when I was out of bounds a piece about Toronto.
Are you ok buddy? It's all good.
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extremely impressive. Heck I still have a number of letters I received from Santa Claus from my youth. Neither delivered much. Now grow a set of nuts put your fictitious writing utensil down and fire this inept GM who should have banished years ago! Your PSL Ponzi scheme is about to collapse with the sickening product you think your filling your fans with.
What do you think you're bringing to the forum? Name calling in the game threads and patronizing comments like these?
I'm tired of his mis management of this team and allowing Eli to twist in the wind for the last six years. You have a problem with that my friend?
If you can read, you'd see my problem is pretty obvious:
Blue Moon : 11/12/2017 5:51 pm : link : reply
want a be Olivier Vernon the better off this roster will be come on Johnny Boy grow a set of nuts and fire this asshole.
You post shit like this.
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In comment 13692476 Blue Moon said:
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extremely impressive. Heck I still have a number of letters I received from Santa Claus from my youth. Neither delivered much. Now grow a set of nuts put your fictitious writing utensil down and fire this inept GM who should have banished years ago! Your PSL Ponzi scheme is about to collapse with the sickening product you think your filling your fans with.
What do you think you're bringing to the forum? Name calling in the game threads and patronizing comments like these?
I'm tired of his mis management of this team and allowing Eli to twist in the wind for the last six years. You have a problem with that my friend?
If you can read, you'd see my problem is pretty obvious:
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The sooner we cut that ISIS
Blue Moon : 11/12/2017 5:51 pm : link : reply
want a be Olivier Vernon the better off this roster will be come on Johnny Boy grow a set of nuts and fire this asshole.
You post shit like this.
Lol
Way to go. I'm sure you've broken new ground.
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always answered letters.
It makes me laugh when Giants fans criticize the Maras or say things like they the fans care more.
They are good owners and seem like good people.
And they are very successful.
grandpa was a successful bookie and bootlegger. The progeny have managed not to blow the monopoly in NYC he bought for them. Bravo.
I'm sorry that you have to experience life the way that you do.
Are you still waiting for co-op real estate to collapse as a "ponzi scheme" too?
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extremely impressive. Heck I still have a number of letters I received from Santa Claus from my youth. Neither delivered much. Now grow a set of nuts put your fictitious writing utensil down and fire this inept GM who should have banished years ago! Your PSL Ponzi scheme is about to collapse with the sickening product you think your filling your fans with.
What do you think you're bringing to the forum? Name calling in the game threads and patronizing comments like these?
I'm tired of his mis management of this team and allowing Eli to twist in the wind for the last six years. You have a problem with that my friend?
Eli is twisting in the wind to the tune of having been paid more than any franchise has paid any player in the history of the NFL. Give it a rest.
No way! A professional sports owner having his staff write the letters?! Oh, the humanity.
Apparently you don't realize how rare it is to even get a form letter response, particularly one that shows empathy for how fans are feeling.
Sound business.
they know who their customers are and I expect change this off season, (Reese, on down)
They do not like empty seats in NOV and December
I'm sure John is furious and changes will finally be made
Wellington even sent flowers to my grandmothers funeral in 2002. My Dad has never forgotten that, it gave him a little lift to an otherwise very sad day
'Fans who continue to have inappropriate responses will be dealt with'
-Kim Jung Un a.k.a. Joe in Pa
- any business person outside looking in
They should sit in game threads and make the moves fans ask for in real time.
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Conservative and late to act.
They should sit in game threads and make the moves fans ask for in real time.
Well there's no waiting list so that'd be pretty dumb of anyone with some financial sense.
Welcome back by the way.
The the poster above who talked about a "PSL ponzi scheme" - I'm not following, the PSLs have already been sold and everyone has their seats, as promised. If tax reform (combined with enhanced TV experience) crushes the sports ticket market, and it might, it was pretty smart it would then turn out to have sold the PSLs and gotten that cash upfront... versus the Dolan way of doubling/tripling everyone's ticket prices at MSG in recent years to pay for his renovations.
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Conservative and late to act.
They should sit in game threads and make the moves fans ask for in real time.
there has to be a happy medium.
We wouldn't be fanatics, especially wouldn't be grumpety know-it-all NYC fanatics if we acted "emotionally appropriate' all the time.
It's an absurd suggestion in this context really.
Some folks really need to get a life if they are policing fanatic boards for emotionality.
That's totally fine. At least they sent something like that back. I was applying for NFL jobs to get my foot in the door, some teams like the Bears would sent a fucking post card type thing from HR. So when teams send something like that it still means a lot. At least it did for me.
The league had to come in and take over and hand the Giants to George Young, all the apologists are going to tell you it was because of the in fighting, and that is simply not true, that was a part of it, the biggest reason was just how bad this franchise became, they were the laughing stock of the league, the excuse the league needed was all the in fighting.
To excuse that and make it into nothing is irresponsible. Now since then they have become a great franchise once again, and there is nothing bad that can be said about John Mara at all, but let's be accurate and honest in our appraisal.
doesn't mind risks (tails up a bit at end) which contrasts with our narrative here..
Only bad part is that it's a tad too legible:
Which, too much legibility may indicate some slight in this case basic misapprehensions . if it was super legible, one might say low IQ . (signatures dont require it, so...) But it's not -that- legible.....really...
How'd I do?
How'd I do?
Well, it's a start. Too late to hope for additional creative inputs, I guess. But this is more fun that taking apart Reese et al and the team, which is no fun at all.
Hypothetically.