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John Mara personally responding to furious fans letters

CromartiesKid21 : 11/14/2017 6:30 pm
Note  
BigWiggle95 : 11/14/2017 6:40 pm : link
I wrote to him last fall. He responded with a handwritten note. I couldnít believe that he took the time to personally write back to me. The Mara family is all class!
He may have a bunch  
mrvax : 11/14/2017 6:45 pm : link
of canned responses that he updates regularly. Then an associate prints one and shows the fan note to Mara to read then sign and mail off. In any case it's a nice gesture.
His dad  
joeinpa : 11/14/2017 6:46 pm : link
always answered letters.

It makes me laugh when Giants fans criticize the Maras or say things like they the fans care more.

They are good owners and seem like good people.

And they are very successful.
RE: He may have a bunch  
mitch300 : 11/14/2017 6:47 pm : link
In comment 13692452 mrvax said:
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of canned responses that he updates regularly. Then an associate prints one and shows the fan note to Mara to read then sign and mail off. In any case it's a nice gesture.

Agree. Name and date changed.
This team does things the right way  
Keith : 11/14/2017 6:48 pm : link
and it starts at the top. They never panic, never make rash decisions and they don't cater to public pressure. Then they do things like this which make me proud.
I wrote him about my disappointment in the Josh Brown situation  
Ben in Tampa : 11/14/2017 6:48 pm : link
Last year and I got a rather snarky response from him.

If you write, he will respond. Itís cool of him to do that.
I like that he writes back...  
FranknWeezer : 11/14/2017 6:51 pm : link
...clever to say "I have your letter" instead of "I have read your letter." That way, he can straight-faced issue canned responses without actually having to assert he's read every fan complaint letter.
I have about five handwritten letters from Wellington  
carpoon : 11/14/2017 6:54 pm : link
around here and one from George Young, also handwritten. No form letters and I received an answer to my letters within 4 or 5 days from mailing them.
RE: His dad  
HomerJones45 : 11/14/2017 6:57 pm : link
In comment 13692453 joeinpa said:
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always answered letters.

It makes me laugh when Giants fans criticize the Maras or say things like they the fans care more.

They are good owners and seem like good people.

And they are very successful.
grandpa was a successful bookie and bootlegger. The progeny have managed not to blow the monopoly in NYC he bought for them. Bravo.
I gotta think  
mrvax : 11/14/2017 6:59 pm : link
Mara gets 50+ fan mails each day during the season and somewhat less at other times.
Letters from Johnny Boy are  
Blue Moon : 11/14/2017 7:10 pm : link
extremely impressive. Heck I still have a number of letters I received from Santa Claus from my youth. Neither delivered much. Now grow a set of nuts put your fictitious writing utensil down and fire this inept GM who should have banished years ago! Your PSL Ponzi scheme is about to collapse with the sickening product you think your filling your fans with.
Boy some of you guys sound really bitter  
joeinpa : 11/14/2017 7:12 pm : link
If this is what being a fan does to you when they lose, I would consider finding another outlet for your entertainment.
RE: Boy some of you guys sound really bitter  
BigBlue4You09 : 11/14/2017 7:17 pm : link
In comment 13692478 joeinpa said:
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If this is what being a fan does to you when they lose, I would consider finding another outlet for your entertainment.


Umm did you read any posts on this thread? Everyone here is saying itís classy and defending the Maraís
HA!  
Unemployable : 11/14/2017 7:20 pm : link
He responded to me a few weeks ago with the exact same letter!
RE: Letters from Johnny Boy are  
adamg : 11/14/2017 7:20 pm : link
In comment 13692476 Blue Moon said:
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extremely impressive. Heck I still have a number of letters I received from Santa Claus from my youth. Neither delivered much. Now grow a set of nuts put your fictitious writing utensil down and fire this inept GM who should have banished years ago! Your PSL Ponzi scheme is about to collapse with the sickening product you think your filling your fans with.


What do you think you're bringing to the forum? Name calling in the game threads and patronizing comments like these?
The Maras are very good owners  
Giants86 : 11/14/2017 7:21 pm : link
Im sure this season is difficult for him.
Classy of him to respond to  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/14/2017 7:22 pm : link
letters. I don't think a lot of people in his position would.
Form letter from an assistant  
B in ALB : 11/14/2017 7:23 pm : link
Still. It's a very Giants thing and well expected. Can't really complain about this.
Itís well done PR and it matters  
trueblueinpw : 11/14/2017 7:25 pm : link
Itís nice he Giants put some effort into public relations. My youngest daughter wrote to Eli and OBJ last year and she was thrilled to get really nice fan kits from both of them.

Hey, I know Eli isnít reading all these things and Iím pretty John Mara isnít reading every piece of fire McAdoo mail that comes to his attention. But the letters show that they care about the fans. I donít doubt for one minute that the Maraís are upset about this season and even as a cynical middle aged guy I do think the Mara Tischís care very much about the Big Blue faithful.

But if they let McAdoo ruin Eliís streak or run him out of town Iíll be the first among us to boycott the team. Do not mess with Eli!
RE: RE: Letters from Johnny Boy are  
Blue Moon : 11/14/2017 7:37 pm : link
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extremely impressive. Heck I still have a number of letters I received from Santa Claus from my youth. Neither delivered much. Now grow a set of nuts put your fictitious writing utensil down and fire this inept GM who should have banished years ago! Your PSL Ponzi scheme is about to collapse with the sickening product you think your filling your fans with.



What do you think you're bringing to the forum? Name calling in the game threads and patronizing comments like these?


I'm tired of his mis management of this team and allowing Eli to twist in the wind for the last six years. You have a problem with that my friend?
Ownership is too rigid  
Les in TO : 11/14/2017 7:53 pm : link
Conservative and late to act.
As an aside...  
rmc3981 : 11/14/2017 7:56 pm : link
I was sitting across from his wife and him flying from Phoenix to Newark about two years ago. His daughter and what appeared to be a security/bodyguard was also sitting by them. When I went to go pick up my luggage at the carousel, he was standing there by himself and grabbed his two bags and went outside. I was shocked to see a man worth half a billion dollars pick up his own luggage and was impressed.

I was thinking of writing to Kate and Rooney.  
Del Shofner : 11/14/2017 8:27 pm : link




.... not really ... don't tase me bro!
Complaining about the higher ups  
idiotsavant : 11/14/2017 8:33 pm : link
Is a deeply cherished American Tradition.

Add in New Yoak and fuggetaboutit.

If any owners want to get all touchy and sensitive about it, I would suggest a less public enterprise.
RE: As an aside...  
Mike from SI : 11/14/2017 8:34 pm : link
In comment 13692524 rmc3981 said:
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I was sitting across from his wife and him flying from Phoenix to Newark about two years ago. His daughter and what appeared to be a security/bodyguard was also sitting by them. When I went to go pick up my luggage at the carousel, he was standing there by himself and grabbed his two bags and went outside. I was shocked to see a man worth half a billion dollars pick up his own luggage and was impressed.


There are plenty of things to be impressed with the Maras about. I'm not sure this is one of them.
My father used to write..  
EricJ : 11/14/2017 8:35 pm : link
Wellington Mara and George Young annually. They would always respond with a personal, hand written letter.
how do you know John Mara wrote those letters?  
micky : 11/14/2017 8:42 pm : link
might have office personnel write the responses (PR) and just stamp his John Hancock on them
RE: Ownership is too rigid  
B in ALB : 11/14/2017 8:46 pm : link
In comment 13692518 Les in TO said:
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Conservative and late to act.


Les, you ok? Some weird shit from you lately.

It's not something I would have thought before this season. You've been typically level headed, smart, and offered some really good posts. And actually checked me once when I was out of bounds a piece about Toronto.

Are you ok buddy? It's all good.
RE: RE: Ownership is too rigid  
Les in TO : 11/14/2017 9:22 pm : link
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Conservative and late to act.



Les, you ok? Some weird shit from you lately.

It's not something I would have thought before this season. You've been typically level headed, smart, and offered some really good posts. And actually checked me once when I was out of bounds a piece about Toronto.

Are you ok buddy? It's all good.
thanks for the kind words man. All good here - just tired of a pretty bad stretch of football
RE: RE: RE: Letters from Johnny Boy are  
adamg : 11/14/2017 9:28 pm : link
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extremely impressive. Heck I still have a number of letters I received from Santa Claus from my youth. Neither delivered much. Now grow a set of nuts put your fictitious writing utensil down and fire this inept GM who should have banished years ago! Your PSL Ponzi scheme is about to collapse with the sickening product you think your filling your fans with.



What do you think you're bringing to the forum? Name calling in the game threads and patronizing comments like these?



I'm tired of his mis management of this team and allowing Eli to twist in the wind for the last six years. You have a problem with that my friend?


If you can read, you'd see my problem is pretty obvious:

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The sooner we cut that ISIS
Blue Moon : 11/12/2017 5:51 pm : link : reply
want a be Olivier Vernon the better off this roster will be come on Johnny Boy grow a set of nuts and fire this asshole.


You post shit like this.
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BigBlue4You09 : 11/14/2017 9:47 pm : link
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extremely impressive. Heck I still have a number of letters I received from Santa Claus from my youth. Neither delivered much. Now grow a set of nuts put your fictitious writing utensil down and fire this inept GM who should have banished years ago! Your PSL Ponzi scheme is about to collapse with the sickening product you think your filling your fans with.



What do you think you're bringing to the forum? Name calling in the game threads and patronizing comments like these?



I'm tired of his mis management of this team and allowing Eli to twist in the wind for the last six years. You have a problem with that my friend?



If you can read, you'd see my problem is pretty obvious:



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The sooner we cut that ISIS
Blue Moon : 11/12/2017 5:51 pm : link : reply
want a be Olivier Vernon the better off this roster will be come on Johnny Boy grow a set of nuts and fire this asshole.



You post shit like this.


Lol
Who in the world  
Modus Operandi : 11/15/2017 2:20 am : link
Has the time to sit down and write a letter to the owner of a sports franchise.

Way to go. I'm sure you've broken new ground.
RE: RE: His dad  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/15/2017 2:47 am : link
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always answered letters.

It makes me laugh when Giants fans criticize the Maras or say things like they the fans care more.

They are good owners and seem like good people.

And they are very successful.

grandpa was a successful bookie and bootlegger. The progeny have managed not to blow the monopoly in NYC he bought for them. Bravo.

I'm sorry that you have to experience life the way that you do.
RE: Letters from Johnny Boy are  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/15/2017 2:49 am : link
In comment 13692476 Blue Moon said:
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extremely impressive. Heck I still have a number of letters I received from Santa Claus from my youth. Neither delivered much. Now grow a set of nuts put your fictitious writing utensil down and fire this inept GM who should have banished years ago! Your PSL Ponzi scheme is about to collapse with the sickening product you think your filling your fans with.

Are you still waiting for co-op real estate to collapse as a "ponzi scheme" too?
RE: RE: RE: Letters from Johnny Boy are  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/15/2017 2:51 am : link
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extremely impressive. Heck I still have a number of letters I received from Santa Claus from my youth. Neither delivered much. Now grow a set of nuts put your fictitious writing utensil down and fire this inept GM who should have banished years ago! Your PSL Ponzi scheme is about to collapse with the sickening product you think your filling your fans with.



What do you think you're bringing to the forum? Name calling in the game threads and patronizing comments like these?



I'm tired of his mis management of this team and allowing Eli to twist in the wind for the last six years. You have a problem with that my friend?

Eli is twisting in the wind to the tune of having been paid more than any franchise has paid any player in the history of the NFL. Give it a rest.
RE: how do you know John Mara wrote those letters?  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/15/2017 2:54 am : link
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might have office personnel write the responses (PR) and just stamp his John Hancock on them

No way! A professional sports owner having his staff write the letters?! Oh, the humanity.

Apparently you don't realize how rare it is to even get a form letter response, particularly one that shows empathy for how fans are feeling.
Profits are way up  
WideRight : 11/15/2017 7:08 am : link
Hire a temp to answer your mail.

Sound business.
Things can look a lot different in December  
nygnyy274 : 11/15/2017 7:40 am : link
Huh?? So 4-12 will be acceptable for them? McAdoo and Reese will be back next year
I have several hand written notes from WTM  
Paulie Walnuts : 11/15/2017 7:40 am : link
and spoke briefly to John on the sidelines last year.
they know who their customers are and I expect change this off season, (Reese, on down)
They do not like empty seats in NOV and December
I'm sure John is furious and changes will finally be made
Wellington even sent flowers to my grandmothers funeral in 2002. My Dad has never forgotten that, it gave him a little lift to an otherwise very sad day
'Excellent attempt to forge a more  
idiotsavant : 11/15/2017 8:01 am : link
Compliant and emotionally respectful fan base'

'Fans who continue to have inappropriate responses will be dealt with'


-Kim Jung Un a.k.a. Joe in Pa
'Note to self'  
idiotsavant : 11/15/2017 8:04 am : link
'Those customers are really dedicated to the brand, which is amazing'


- any business person outside looking in
RE: Ownership is too rigid  
SethFromAstoria : 11/15/2017 8:23 am : link
In comment 13692518 Les in TO said:
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Conservative and late to act.


They should sit in game threads and make the moves fans ask for in real time.

If i received a fan letter from a season ticket holder that  
SethFromAstoria : 11/15/2017 8:27 am : link
Was focused on Eli or OBJ I'd reply by saying their tickets had been revoked
RE: RE: Ownership is too rigid  
HomerJones45 : 11/15/2017 8:35 am : link
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Conservative and late to act.



They should sit in game threads and make the moves fans ask for in real time.
They pretty much did. How's it working out?
Nice formality stuff to fanbase  
mdc1 : 11/15/2017 8:50 am : link
however, if he really cared as much as the emotional letter content suggests we would not be seeing this stuff for 4+ seasons. Let's not kid ourselves here. Separate the emotion from the facts (organization not getting it done and the excuses are wearing thin). When the game starts, nobody gives an f about tradition and who our owners are. Some but not many. Sometimes teams change ownership too however when they become continual losers.
RE: If i received a fan letter from a season ticket holder that  
MetsAreBack : 11/15/2017 8:56 am : link
In comment 13692704 SethFromAstoria said:
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Was focused on Eli or OBJ I'd reply by saying their tickets had been revoked


Well there's no waiting list so that'd be pretty dumb of anyone with some financial sense.

Welcome back by the way.

The the poster above who talked about a "PSL ponzi scheme" - I'm not following, the PSLs have already been sold and everyone has their seats, as promised. If tax reform (combined with enhanced TV experience) crushes the sports ticket market, and it might, it was pretty smart it would then turn out to have sold the PSLs and gotten that cash upfront... versus the Dolan way of doubling/tripling everyone's ticket prices at MSG in recent years to pay for his renovations.
RE: RE: Ownership is too rigid  
Les in TO : 11/15/2017 9:37 am : link
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Conservative and late to act.



They should sit in game threads and make the moves fans ask for in real time.
the two extremes - bias for inaction giants ownership and ADHDA fans who post on game threads asking for everyone to be fired or cut.

there has to be a happy medium.
As usual some folks cast extreme  
idiotsavant : 11/15/2017 9:44 am : link
Attributions towards one another. But hey:

We wouldn't be fanatics, especially wouldn't be grumpety know-it-all NYC fanatics if we acted "emotionally appropriate' all the time.

It's an absurd suggestion in this context really.

Some folks really need to get a life if they are policing fanatic boards for emotionality.
RE: He may have a bunch  
AnishPatel : 11/15/2017 10:01 am : link
In comment 13692452 mrvax said:
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of canned responses that he updates regularly. Then an associate prints one and shows the fan note to Mara to read then sign and mail off. In any case it's a nice gesture.


That's totally fine. At least they sent something like that back. I was applying for NFL jobs to get my foot in the door, some teams like the Bears would sent a fucking post card type thing from HR. So when teams send something like that it still means a lot. At least it did for me.
Watch out  
PaulN : 11/15/2017 2:58 pm : link
God forbid you say something true, or accurate, the only thing these people want to hear is how class and great the Mara's are, say anything else and your inhuman. Tim Mara was a great owner, Wellington screwed up everything from the mid sixties on forward, he did it by trying to make former Giants a part the organization. Then when he tried to correct that he made a couple of horrible head coaching decisions.

The league had to come in and take over and hand the Giants to George Young, all the apologists are going to tell you it was because of the in fighting, and that is simply not true, that was a part of it, the biggest reason was just how bad this franchise became, they were the laughing stock of the league, the excuse the league needed was all the in fighting.

To excuse that and make it into nothing is irresponsible. Now since then they have become a great franchise once again, and there is nothing bad that can be said about John Mara at all, but let's be accurate and honest in our appraisal.
Mara's Signiture  
Percy : 11/16/2017 3:59 pm : link
Very weird way of signing his own name. I mean, look at the way the J, the K, and the M are formed and how his pen meanders along to get his own name on paper. Any handwriting analysts (graphoanalysis pros -- pseudo-science though it is thought to be these days) out there who might have something interesting to say about this?
Strictly in the signature  
idiotsavant : 11/16/2017 4:09 pm : link
Good in bed (dips below line) ..

doesn't mind risks (tails up a bit at end) which contrasts with our narrative here..

Only bad part is that it's a tad too legible:

Which, too much legibility may indicate some slight in this case basic misapprehensions . if it was super legible, one might say low IQ . (signatures dont require it, so...) But it's not -that- legible.....really...


How'd I do?
RE: Strictly in the signature  
Percy : 11/17/2017 9:20 am : link
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How'd I do?


Well, it's a start. Too late to hope for additional creative inputs, I guess. But this is more fun that taking apart Reese et al and the team, which is no fun at all.
Well  
idiotsavant : 11/17/2017 9:39 am : link
If he is more inclined to take risks than we thought, what forces or perceptions were holding him back?

Hypothetically.
Risks  
Percy : 11/17/2017 3:30 pm : link
Reese and McAdoo are still there. These are not risky enough?
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