I've put more attention on the QBs this year than ever before...partially because of my role with Ourlads being expanded, but also with NYG's 2018 Draft intentions.
The names we all thought would make this QB class elite (Allen-Darnold-Rosen-Jackson) have been underwhelming. I've seen each of them 5+ times this year, and Rosen is the only one I would take in the top 5 overall. That can change...a lot of work still needs to be done and they still have a few games left.
But the name I can't get away from is Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma. At 6'1, he is under the desired height most look for in an elite QB prospect. He plays in a spread attack that is somewhat simple read wise (not as simple as some). He is doing things that he simply won't get away with in the NFL.
That said, he may end up being my top graded QB. His physical shortcomings don't impact his game. He can stand tall in the pocket, does a great job of seeing and throwing through traffic. Unreal release that can be repeated time after time in any situation. Very good accuracy to all three levels. The mobility is used to pass, not to run. Keeps his eyes downfield and will always look to throw, the running is a third or fourth option. And I think this kid is one of the toughest SOBs I had ever scouted at the position. Loves the game, the passion oozes out of him. A gamer that will rise to the occasion, finds ways to get it done.
I am surprised to be saying this...but I may want him as the next NYG quarterback.
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Dranold is 20 years old and will be the best pro QB in this class. If we're drafting Eli's replacement(and don't waste our time with talk of passing on these guys for Webb, because you don't get this opportunity often)...then Darnold is the guy. He may not be the best player this season but he's the best pro prospect.
Draft a QB in 2019, see what Webb has, run out mannings contract.
with extra picks:
Fortify OL....I still feel Flowers and Fluker would be great on right side
One more stud WR....adding to stable of OBJ, Shepard and Engram
Get an All-Star LB....we must get a Defensive leader.
Get another Corner...to replace DRC.
with extra picks:
Fortify OL....I still feel Flowers and Fluker would be great on right side
One more stud WR....adding to stable of OBJ, Shepard and Engram
Get an All-Star LB....we must get a Defensive leader.
Get another Corner...to replace DRC.
Why do people love trading down? He has that worked for the Browns?
But I'd be stunned if the Giants used a top five pick on Mayfield, even with a regime change. The Giants have size requirements for positions, and 6'1" is far below what they want in a QB. Mayfield also plays in a conference where defense is definitely optional.
Josh Allen has the highest upside of any QB in the draft. His arm strength is phenomenal, he flicks the ball with his wrist like Marino, and he's incredible mobile. He's also much bigger than any other QB. He lost most of his offensive production from last year. My understanding is that his shoulder injury isn't serious.
If Darnold stays in school, someone will take Rosen before the Giants. That leaves Allen, Mayfield, and Jackson. Allen is the only QB the Giants would consider IMO. I'm not sure if I would take Mayfield, but I don't think the Giants will.
I’ve grown to like Mayfield. My preference is Rosen as I love his arm. But watching Mayfield I see a guy whose arm can play at the NFL level. The key is what kind of offense you build around him. Him and Eli are two totally different QBs in every way possible.
My feeling is as long as we are in the Top 3 we are taking a QB.
Love this about him. Not sure you're getting this with some of the other prospects. Especially Rosen, as talented as he may be.
My question now is, how far can we trade down and still be able to get Baker?
The only 2 teams with 2 selections in the 1st rd. at this point are Cleveland and Buffalo. Cleveland will not have to trade up. It will be interesting to see where Buffalo's picks end up.
But I'd be stunned if the Giants used a top five pick on Mayfield, even with a regime change. The Giants have size requirements for positions, and 6'1" is far below what they want in a QB. Mayfield also plays in a conference where defense is definitely optional.
Josh Allen has the highest upside of any QB in the draft. His arm strength is phenomenal, he flicks the ball with his wrist like Marino, and he's incredible mobile. He's also much bigger than any other QB. He lost most of his offensive production from last year. My understanding is that his shoulder injury isn't serious.
If Darnold stays in school, someone will take Rosen before the Giants. That leaves Allen, Mayfield, and Jackson. Allen is the only QB the Giants would consider IMO. I'm not sure if I would take Mayfield, but I don't think the Giants will.
Josh Allen has all those things but so did Jamarcus Russell. Allen just isn't a good QB
Regarding Mayfield, there’s a lot to like. But I also feel like he gets away with things at the college level that won’t fly in the NFL. Makes me wonder if his game would translate to the NFL level.
If the Giants have size requirements then they should throw 'em out the window. Lotta people (and maybe Giants FO?) said Aaron Donald was too small to make it in the NFL, so...At least, some guys have other things, especially intangibles, that make up for size, and for all the reasons stated by Sy, Mayfield looks to be the case, too.
Size would concern me......
Whatever QB they take, if they take one, coaching/system/environment have a lot to do with the success of the player.
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is electric. He's mobile, passionate, and has more than enough arm strength to make all the throws at the NFL level.
But I'd be stunned if the Giants used a top five pick on Mayfield, even with a regime change. The Giants have size requirements for positions, and 6'1" is far below what they want in a QB. Mayfield also plays in a conference where defense is definitely optional.
Josh Allen has the highest upside of any QB in the draft. His arm strength is phenomenal, he flicks the ball with his wrist like Marino, and he's incredible mobile. He's also much bigger than any other QB. He lost most of his offensive production from last year. My understanding is that his shoulder injury isn't serious.
If Darnold stays in school, someone will take Rosen before the Giants. That leaves Allen, Mayfield, and Jackson. Allen is the only QB the Giants would consider IMO. I'm not sure if I would take Mayfield, but I don't think the Giants will.
Josh Allen has all those things but so did Jamarcus Russell. Allen just isn't a good QB
There are a ton of high pick QBs that fail, it's part of the deal.
In Russell's case, I think desire was a big question mark. And that should have come out in the interviews, you'd hope.
In speaking with one NFL general manager, they said they liked Mayfield and had a fourth-round grade on him. Their team always grades quarterbacks hard, and they like how Mayfield has played this year. He could end up being a second-day pick in the 2018 NFL Draft.
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That's why having a GM who can see the board and project is very important, and why I would definitely let Reese go.
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Mayfield is undersized for the NFL with just average arm strength. He can have issues reading defenses. One big area for improvement for Mayfield is his footwork as he gets happy feet in the pocket. One college scouting director told me that Mayfield's feet are terrible.
In speaking with one NFL general manager, they said they liked Mayfield and had a fourth-round grade on him. Their team always grades quarterbacks hard, and they like how Mayfield has played this year. He could end up being a second-day pick in the 2018 NFL Draft.
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Funny, his feet reminded me of no other than Peyton Manning LOL.......
It would be intresting to read the early scouting reports on Wentz and Goff.
I distinctly remember some reports saying those guys, in a normal class, would be 2nd round picks but the need for QBs vaulted them up to a 1st round choice.
That changed over time......but people were saying that.
Mayfield, I don't disagree, I just can't put him ahead of Darnold or Rosen yet until after the college football playoffs, and the NFL combine and such.
Still in the Rosen camp for now.
Add this to the fact that Webbs senior stats are likely better than all of these kids, at a Pac-12 school, and I don't see what the rush to the alter is all about. We have lots of other holes to address, and to add another QB project behind Eli instead of a OL starter (for example) doesn't strike me as the right thing to do. If Webb doesn't work out I'm sure there will be more "franchise" QB's in next years draft too (including Darnold).
I see a blend of Marcus Mariota/Matthew Stafford/Kirk Cousins
I would say it is very possible right now...Traditonally guys like him just don't go early.
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if Mayfield is the best....I would take offers to trade down and see what we have with Webb.
with extra picks:
Fortify OL....I still feel Flowers and Fluker would be great on right side
One more stud WR....adding to stable of OBJ, Shepard and Engram
Get an All-Star LB....we must get a Defensive leader.
Get another Corner...to replace DRC.
Why do people love trading down? He has that worked for the Browns?
The Browns are a horrible example.. I would trade down. We need more picks...
Sy, any thoughts on Trace McSorley from Penn State? He and Mayfield remind me of each other, does he have any pro potential?
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What are the chances we could grab Mayfield with our second pick?
I would say it is very possible right now...Traditonally guys like him just don't go early.
Jesus - If we could get Barkley with our 1st and Mayfield in the 2nd.
Shades of LdT and Brees.
Why do people love trading down? He has that worked for the Browns?
Apples to oranges. Browns don't have a QB. Giants have Eli for 2 more years and potentially Webb beyond that.