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NFT: NBA: Jazz (6-8) vs Knicks (7-6) 730p

LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/15/2017 7:27 pm
No Gobert

Projected starting lineups

Rubio-Mitchell-Ingles-Sefolosha-Favors

vs

Sweaty Morpheus-Lee-THj-KP-Kanter

Lets get this W
go New York go New York  
Del Shofner : 11/15/2017 7:28 pm : link
go!
No sleeve on KPs right elbow  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/15/2017 7:44 pm : link
today. Started off 0-2
KP 1-6 to start  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/15/2017 7:59 pm : link
Including an air ball. Yikes
Knicks down 3 after 1  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/15/2017 8:08 pm : link
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KP back to back buckets.  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/15/2017 8:24 pm : link
Down 1

Frank with 3 fouls early
Knicks can't defend 3s  
Del Shofner : 11/15/2017 8:29 pm : link
to save their lives. Same story as last game.
RE: Knicks can't defend 3s  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/15/2017 8:30 pm : link
In comment 13693469 Del Shofner said:
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to save their lives. Same story as last game.


Same story as all season. I swear teams raise their 3P% when they face the Knicks.
Horrible first half.  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/15/2017 8:40 pm : link
Giving up 60 to the Jazz is ridiculous. Again the theme of the season Is the Knicks with sluggish close outs, giving up way too many 3’s. KP second game in a row where he looks off.

2nd rookie this year to go off on the Knicks.
Knicks get close and then  
Del Shofner : 11/15/2017 8:58 pm : link
the 3's start again.
Hardaway with the nice finish  
tbonfig : 11/15/2017 9:42 pm : link
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Curious for those who watch more than I do.  
tbonfig : 11/15/2017 9:43 pm : link
Does it seem like Frank picks up his dribble a lot? I feel like when I have watched him he dribbles a few times than picks it up quite often.
RE: Curious for those who watch more than I do.  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/15/2017 9:48 pm : link
In comment 13693526 tbonfig said:
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Does it seem like Frank picks up his dribble a lot? I feel like when I have watched him he dribbles a few times than picks it up quite often.


He's hesitant and unsure at times. Youngest kid in the NBA. It will slow down for him.
I am starting to hate Hardaway.  
robbieballs2003 : 11/15/2017 9:49 pm : link
He needs to stop with the bullshit. We get the lead and drives to the basket with plenty of time on the shot clock and forces a shot in traffic. We got lucky with Utah last touching the ball out of bounds. Then he forces another long range three.

As I type this he nails a huge three.
RE: I am starting to hate Hardaway.  
Earl the goat : 11/15/2017 9:50 pm : link
In comment 13693538 robbieballs2003 said:
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He needs to stop with the bullshit. We get the lead and drives to the basket with plenty of time on the shot clock and forces a shot in traffic. We got lucky with Utah last touching the ball out of bounds. Then he forces another long range three.

As I type this he nails a huge three.


Stop your complaining. He’s playing with passion
He takes shots that make you remember JR smith  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/15/2017 9:53 pm : link
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OK, we'll take it -  
Del Shofner : 11/15/2017 9:57 pm : link
next up is Toronto on Friday at their place - they are tough there.
love the young French point guard  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 11/15/2017 9:58 pm : link
he does so many things that don't necessarily show up on the score card but make you win.

and he is only going to get better....
Hardaway is averaging 20 ppg 5 assts, 5 rebs 45% FG  
twostepgiants : 11/15/2017 10:00 pm : link
Over last 10 games
RE: I am starting to hate Hardaway.  
nygiants16 : 11/15/2017 10:00 pm : link
In comment 13693538 robbieballs2003 said:
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He needs to stop with the bullshit. We get the lead and drives to the basket with plenty of time on the shot clock and forces a shot in traffic. We got lucky with Utah last touching the ball out of bounds. Then he forces another long range three.

As I type this he nails a huge three.


26 6 and 6, hell of a game from tim
Tim is showing why we gave him that money  
Canton : 11/15/2017 10:02 pm : link
When KP is having an off game he picks up the slack. Love his consistent Stat line
RE: RE: I am starting to hate Hardaway.  
robbieballs2003 : 11/15/2017 10:02 pm : link
In comment 13693555 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13693538 robbieballs2003 said:


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He needs to stop with the bullshit. We get the lead and drives to the basket with plenty of time on the shot clock and forces a shot in traffic. We got lucky with Utah last touching the ball out of bounds. Then he forces another long range three.

As I type this he nails a huge three.



26 6 and 6, hell of a game from tim


I don't need the stats. I know he is playing well. That isn't my point. My point is simple. Just be smarter. That is all.
Is it me or does Frank seem  
Dave on the UWS : 11/15/2017 10:36 pm : link
To have that "it"factor at the end of games?some people call it the "clutch" gene when he matures and gains experience he's going to be a Major difference maker.
Utah was lights out from 3 in the first half  
larryflower37 : 11/15/2017 10:45 pm : link
They also moved the ball really well tonight.
The Knicks hung in all night and keep the game in reach. When Utah started missing 3's they capitalized.
It was a good win.

Utah was on pace to score 120  
djm : 11/15/2017 11:28 pm : link
Knicks clamped down second half especially 4th quarter and held them to 101. Dare i say the Knicks defense is pretty damn good. Without looking at the stats I'd bet the Knicks 4th quarter defense is near the best in the NBA. That's a trait that should be there all year. Defense travels.

KP in a little mini slump. Got a win tonight without KP's typical heroics. Lee appeared to hurt the hammy. Dotson might get some burn.
Frank has to shoot more, he is passing on too many open looks.  
GiantsUA : 11/16/2017 6:53 am : link
His back to back buckets, when he finally started shooting was the games "turning point"

Go Knicks.
Great ESPN article about Frank  
manh george : 11/16/2017 7:03 am : link
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He'll wake up Thursday, after the Knicks' 106-101 comeback win over the Utah Jazz, tied for second in the league in steals per game (2.0), leading the NBA in steals per 36 minutes (3.5) and third in the league in deflections per 36 minutes (4.3)...The Knicks outscore opponents by 11 points per 100 possessions with Ntilikina on the floor, the second-highest net rating on the team (behind Porzingis, who has a plus-16 net rating).


This from a physically immature, inexperienced kid. Kind of amazing. Consider the upside.
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I remember reading this draft article over the summer  
Canton : 11/16/2017 7:11 am : link
showing the analytics of all potential lottery picks being all-stars and busts.

Look where Frank ranks...



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^^^^^  
Del Shofner : 11/16/2017 7:17 am : link
I remember that because it was statistically odd. Frank had a relatively low overall rating but by far the highest chance of being an All Star.
Can't find the article  
Canton : 11/16/2017 7:18 am : link
But I also remember reading..

"Although his chances to be a bust were high. Based on potential, his ceiling to be a star were even higher.

The article went into all "the whys and why nots", but I can't find it.
And for comparison sake  
Canton : 11/16/2017 7:25 am : link
Here is the same analytics model being used in 2015..

Look where they had Okafor rated for being a potential bust..
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RoCo  
DanMetroMan : 11/16/2017 7:49 am : link
4 years 62 from the Sixers, love that move for them. Such an underrated player

-Hawks came into last night 2-12, beat the Kings by 46 lol

John Collins 14 and 8, he's easily been one of the best rookies (18.47 PER)

Sabonis 13, 6 and 4 (he's been a great pickup for Indiana

Markkanen 16 and 6

Kris Dunn is horrid

Embiid.... 46, 15 and 7 with 7 blocks... unreal game and unreal talent, future MVP is he stays healthy

Simmons 18, 9 and 10 with 5 steals

Lonzo 1-9 2 points, 5 boards, 2 assists
I'm so often wrong about draft picks that I feel compelled to say  
Greg from LI : 11/16/2017 7:52 am : link
I had John Collins right! Haha...when we played Wake last year he just looked like an NBA player.
This is a computer model?  
manh george : 11/16/2017 8:07 am : link
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His efficient play at such a young age in Europe makes him the most likely member of this class to play at an All-Star level, but his limited minutes and the unknowns that accompany the fact that he is coming from Europe, also give him a 59 percent chance of being a bust according to our model.


In other words, our brain doesn't know him, so our computer can't measure him, so it defaults to a zero 59% of the time. Garbage in, garbage out is still with us. They should be embarrassed. And we should be thankful that people think like that--with automated help. I think that the problem is that unlike really sophisticated software, the pretend stuff doesn't have enough data to mine or other software to collaberate with.
2015 wasn't the same model, btw.  
manh george : 11/16/2017 8:14 am : link
At least back then, they implicitly conceded that they didn't know how to measure foreign players, so they didn't. They ranked the top 50 college players, only. No KP.
The Knicks need to be able to win when KP isn't having  
Ira : 11/16/2017 8:26 am : link
one of his 30+ point games. Last night they did it, but it was against a team that's banged up. It's nice to see Hardaway have a good all around game. He does have his warts and it's easy to focus on them and get upset. But he was the Knicks best player last night in a w.
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