NFL executives on Darnold vs Rosen

That just reinforces what I already believed.

But I would agree. I am no scout....but

Darnold is who I would take.....over any of the others. All seem to fit the bill...something about Darnold that just puts him above the others.

for the game.

It is very rare for franchises like the Giants to be picking this high in the draft. A franchise with patience & stability is perfect for a young QB. Darnold should look at Rivers & Luck and pull an Eli.

my daughter is a senior at USC, he is the real deal. If he declares, the Giants should do everything in their power to draft him!

I will quote Larry David when discussing these two QBs

"I gotta go with the Jews"
Larry David Is Upset Jets are Winning Games; Wants Josh Rosen over Sam Darnold - ( New Window )

1.accurate passer. Leads the WR beautifully in stride.
2.can make plays with his legs if he needs to
3.comfortable in the pocket
4.does not get distracted by pressure and keeps his eyes downfield
5.does not get locked on one WR
6. throws a great quick slant

He would be crazy to stay in school and risk injury/losing lifelong security. he has nothing more to prove

Why would that player stay in school? The risk seems to be too high for the returns they might get by staying another year.

If I were Darnold, I'd enter the draft.

with either of them.

I have been saying that it is too early in the process to determine the best available college QB
However I find it interesting how 2 weeks ago everyone was down on Darnold
Now the trend is changing

happy with either.

were mostly early in the season. He was decent.

but if he fore goes and enters draft, I'd go Darnold

admirer of football, I like Rosen, he's ready now and won't need much in terms of technique work. Darnold is the big strong competitive one who rallies teammates with his style but he needs polish. I think I'm with Sy on this, I take Mayfield if given the chance.

Lots of really good ones...but great . . . not so much. Maybe Darnold is different.

take being heard is that the determining factor to Darnold to stay in school or not is whether Cleveland is picking first. If they are, then he's not going to risk joining that shit show and will stay in school. I'm hoping Kizer shows just enough that the Browns won't be in the market for a QB, Darnold comes out, and we take him. My one misgiving -- he's 20-y.o., and a soph, right? Is that enough body of work to be assured he's the goods?

for fans to see the two go head to head. Im sure there are a lot of folks who haven't seen either play a full game. Take the time to sit and watch SC/UCLA on Saturday and make the decision on which one you think is better

As long as shit doesn't go really wrong for us then we will most likely be in position to take one of them.

Darnold stays in school, then it's likely because the Browns are picking first. So in that case, they'll pick Rosen, and we'll get neither. That leaves us with Allen, Mayfield, or Jackson. In that case, my preliminary guess is that the Giants would take Chubb or Nelson, and stay with Webb. So whether the Giants draft a QB could depend largely on whether the Browns pick first.

In comment 13693765 AcidTest said:

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Darnold stays in school, then it's likely because the Browns are picking first. So in that case, they'll pick Rosen, and we'll get neither. That leaves us with Allen, Mayfield, or Jackson. In that case, my preliminary guess is that the Giants would take Chubb or Nelson, and stay with Webb. So whether the Giants draft a QB could depend largely on whether the Browns pick first.

There is way more that goes into it. If NYG covet Darnold, they will put out feelers and a trade can be made. As I said, it’s rare for a franchise like the Giants to be in the position and Darnold should absolutely take that into consideration.

In comment 13693773 Sean said:

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In comment 13693765 AcidTest said: Quote: Darnold stays in school, then it's likely because the Browns are picking first. So in that case, they'll pick Rosen, and we'll get neither. That leaves us with Allen, Mayfield, or Jackson. In that case, my preliminary guess is that the Giants would take Chubb or Nelson, and stay with Webb. So whether the Giants draft a QB could depend largely on whether the Browns pick first. There is way more that goes into it. If NYG covet Darnold, they will put out feelers and a trade can be made. As I said, it’s rare for a franchise like the Giants to be in the position and Darnold should absolutely take that into consideration.

If the Browns have the first pick, and Darnold doesn't want to come out because of that, I doubt he'd change his mind on the off chance the Giants would trade with Cleveland. Trading up even one or two spots would be insanely expensive. The Giants did it in 2004, but with all their needs, I doubt they would do so again.

In comment 13693792 AcidTest said:

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In comment 13693773 Sean said: Quote: In comment 13693765 AcidTest said: Quote: Darnold stays in school, then it's likely because the Browns are picking first. So in that case, they'll pick Rosen, and we'll get neither. That leaves us with Allen, Mayfield, or Jackson. In that case, my preliminary guess is that the Giants would take Chubb or Nelson, and stay with Webb. So whether the Giants draft a QB could depend largely on whether the Browns pick first. There is way more that goes into it. If NYG covet Darnold, they will put out feelers and a trade can be made. As I said, it’s rare for a franchise like the Giants to be in the position and Darnold should absolutely take that into consideration. If the Browns have the first pick, and Darnold doesn't want to come out because of that, I doubt he'd change his mind on the off chance the Giants would trade with Cleveland. Trading up even one or two spots would be insanely expensive. The Giants did it in 2004, but with all their needs, I doubt they would do so again.

I disagree. The Eagles had a gutted roster when they traded up for Wentz. The Browns accumulated picks to fill needs.

In comment 13693667 Sean said:

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It is very rare for franchises like the Giants to be picking this high in the draft. A franchise with patience & stability is perfect for a young QB. Darnold should look at Rivers & Luck and pull an Eli.

The way things are going, he might not have to.

I've believed all along Darnold is the guy, and that the USC offensive scheme and line were contributing to his inconsistencies and turnovers. The scheme still leaves him out to dry, but now that they have a semblance of a running game, his play has improved. Has some footwork to clean up, but the money throws are there - Roethlisberger-esque.

Also agree that if he stays in school that the Giants would look to a pass rusher like Chubb.

If I'm Darnold and the Giants are picking near the top and I "hear" that the Giants are interested in making a move to get me...I'm getting into the draft.
Eli knew with a degree of certainty that the Giants were making a move to get him, I think most of these guys have a pretty good pulse of what "probably" happens on draft before it happens.

and Darnold is the guy I love and view him as a can't miss QB for the next decade - I mortgage the farm to do it. No doubt.

So i'd take Rosen

I dont even know if Rosen cares about playing QB in the NFL. USC-UCLA this weekend, so some of you on the fence can watch both

If Darnold comes out but tells Cleveland he won't play for them?

Can lightning strike twice?

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If Darnold comes out but tells Cleveland he won't play for them? Can lightning strike twice?

He absolutely should. Eli made the right call.

"[DeShaun] Watson is as tough of a prospect to evaluate as there is coming out of college. While he shows flashes with his arm, he is wildly inconsistent and lacks the key traits (pocket instincts/poise and field vision). He will need to play in an offense specifically built around him with a quarterback run game and pass-game scheme creativity. ... Watson is not a pure progression passer, with his limited pocket feel and vision, and whenever that’s the case, there will be a huge risk involved when hoping to land a franchise quarterback."

When I hear so much emphasis on the "it" factor, I'm reminded on the old timer scouts in Moneyball.

Kid throws frozen ropes in tight spaces and has ton of upside. Smart, tough, a leader, I like him.

As for grit, I guess they didn't watch the Texas A&M game. I wouldn't have a problem with either though.

If the Giants have the #1 pick I believe Sam will come out. Anyone who doesn't think he's an excellent prospect just hasn't watched enough of his games. He's still raw,will only be 20 years old when the draft is held. He has all the intangibles to be a top quarterback. USC's o-line leaves alot to be desired and he's made plays by great movement in the pocket and he can make throws in the tightest of windows. That being said, if the Giants like Rosen more,there would be no argument from me. Rosen is very talented also.

Because apparently they haven't drafted enough qbs lately. Why the fuck did they take kizer in round 2 last season? It's one thing to use a late 3rd on Webb that annoys me too but a second? Probably a high second no less... only the Browns.

Then they will be stupid enough to hold off taking a QB with the first overall pick if they have it. The Giants then would be able to trade up for Darnold if they desired. I am warming up to taking Darnold as he has been better lately and he has a huge upside. I'm assuming Eli will be back next season with a new HC and offense that better suits his skill set. Darnold will be able to sit for a year and learn from one of the hardest working QB's in the game. The last good USC QB was Carson Palmer and he benefited greatly by sitting for his rookie season.

Rosen's talent is undeniable but the reports about his desire and questionable leadership takes him out of the equation for me. The Giants need to come away with either Darnold or Mayfield IMO. Darnold get's the slight edge as he played against tougher competition, has better size, and has excellent pocket awareness. I am hoping that the Giants go hard for Gruden and then provide him with Darnold to develop into his franchise QB. Eli would have a bounce back season under Gruden allowing Darnold to sit and learn for a season.

In comment 13694456 Jay on the Island said:

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Rosen's talent is undeniable but the reports about his desire and questionable leadership takes him out of the equation for me.

Why should reports take him out of the equation? It's not like any of us know if those reports are accurate or not. Someone with "questionable leadership" and desire doesn't lead his team back from 34 points behind against Texas A&M.

In comment 13694477 Milton said:

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In comment 13694456 Jay on the Island said: Quote: Rosen's talent is undeniable but the reports about his desire and questionable leadership takes him out of the equation for me. Why should reports take him out of the equation? It's not like any of us know if those reports are accurate or not. Someone with "questionable leadership" and desire doesn't lead his team back from 34 points behind against Texas A&M.

There are reports that also say that some of his teammates hate him along with the questions about his love for the game. If you are going to pick between him and Darnold the obvious choice is Darnold. I won't complain if the Giants take him after they interview him and come to the conclusion that the reports are false. This team cannot miss on a pick this high especially when if the other option becomes a franchise QB.

In comment 13694493 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 13694477 Milton said: Quote: In comment 13694456 Jay on the Island said: Quote: Rosen's talent is undeniable but the reports about his desire and questionable leadership takes him out of the equation for me. Why should reports take him out of the equation? It's not like any of us know if those reports are accurate or not. Someone with "questionable leadership" and desire doesn't lead his team back from 34 points behind against Texas A&M. There are reports that also say that some of his teammates hate him along with the questions about his love for the game. If you are going to pick between him and Darnold the obvious choice is Darnold. I won't complain if the Giants take him after they interview him and come to the conclusion that the reports are false. This team cannot miss on a pick this high especially when if the other option becomes a franchise QB.

I don't trust the reports nor do I dismiss them. I'll leave it up to the Giants to decide which of the QBs would make for the best leader. And as I've said before, I want the QB who wins the talent contest, not the popularity contest. Eli and Peyton have two completely different personalities, but they both have two Super Bowl victories on their resume.
p.s.--And more important than which of the two is the most likable is which of the two is smarter, which of the two can read a defense faster and make quicker decisions on where to go with the football, which of the two is better at mastering an advanced playbook, which of the two is better at calling the right audible at the line of scrimmage. It's a big locker room. Unless your QB is a people pleaser, there are going to be people on his team who hate him. And people pleasers don't normally make for the best leaders.

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I don't trust the reports nor do I dismiss them. I'll leave it up to the Giants to decide which of the QBs would make for the best leader. And as I've said before, I want the QB who wins the talent contest, not the popularity contest. Eli and Peyton have two completely different personalities, but they both have two Super Bowl victories on their resume. p.s.--And more important than which of the two is the most likable is which of the two is smarter, which of the two can read a defense faster and make quicker decisions on where to go with the football, which of the two is better at mastering an advanced playbook, which of the two is better at calling the right audible at the line of scrimmage. It's a big locker room. Unless your QB is a people pleaser, there are going to be people on his team who hate him. And people pleasers don't normally make for the best leaders.

If the Giants select Rosen that means that they have done extensive homework on him and have decided that all those previous reports are untrue. If that's the case I am fine with selecting him. I was just saying as of today Darnold seems to be the more likely selection by the Giants IF they have the #1 pick and he enters the draft.

are better than the Giants effort this season.

Need them to pull out a few close ones...

In comment 13695325 Jimmy Googs said:

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are better than the Giants effort this season. Need them to pull out a few close ones...

Hopefully the return of Corey Coleman will be a big spark to the offense. If the Giants have the #1 pick I am sure that it will persuade Darnold to enter the draft.

In comment 13695333 Jay on the Island said:

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Hopefully the return of Corey Coleman will be a big spark to the offense. If the Giants have the #1 pick I am sure that it will persuade Darnold to enter the draft.

If Darnold makes his decision based on who has the first pick, he's either an idiot or he's getting bad advice from an idiot. There are far more important considerations (injury, money, development, lifestyle, education) and besides, he may be more likely to wind up with the Browns if they had the #2 pick than if they had the top spot. Anyone who thinks they can predict today who will be the first QB taken in April is deluding themselves. Even if Darnold is convinced he is the best QB in the nation, it doesn't guarantee that the team with the first pick will see it that way.

In comment 13695341 Milton said:

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In comment 13695333 Jay on the Island said: Quote: Hopefully the return of Corey Coleman will be a big spark to the offense. If the Giants have the #1 pick I am sure that it will persuade Darnold to enter the draft. If Darnold makes his decision based on who has the first pick, he's either an idiot or he's getting bad advice from an idiot. There are far more important considerations (injury, money, development, lifestyle, education) and besides, he may be more likely to wind up with the Browns if they had the #2 pick than if they had the top spot. Anyone who thinks they can predict today who will be the first QB taken in April is deluding themselves. Even if Darnold is convinced he is the best QB in the nation, it doesn't guarantee that the team with the first pick will see it that way.

I couldn't disagree more. You think he is an idiot for not wanting to go to the Browns? They are a horribly run organization and he is only 20 so going back isn't a terrible decision IMO. Eli didn't want to play for SD but he couldn't go back to school so he had to force his way out of there. Of course we can't say for certain who will be the #1 QB come April but Darnold doesn't have to decide today. When it gets closer to the deadline on declaring for the draft he will have a much better idea of where he is going to go in the draft.

...if the organization is going QB you make a move up if you have to. Just like we did for Eli...sorta. Although that turd AJ Smith made it a lot more compicated than it needed to be.

In comment 13695408 Jay on the Island said:

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You think he is an idiot for not wanting to go to the Browns? They are a horribly run organization and he is only 20 so going back isn't a terrible decision IMO. Eli didn't want to play for SD but he couldn't go back to school so he had to force his way out of there. Of course we can't say for certain who will be the #1 QB come April but Darnold doesn't have to decide today. When it gets closer to the deadline on declaring for the draft he will have a much better idea of where he is going to go in the draft.

He may have a slightly better idea, but unless Rosen decides to stay in school (not gonna happen) or Darnold leads USC to a national championship, I can't see how he can know with anything close to certainty that he will be going either one or two.

Darnold will make his decision based on things far more personal to him than who has the first pick in the draft.