NFT: Yankees chat 11/16: Favorites for Otani? Judge MVP?

a source told him Judge won the MVP award, so we shall see later today. Kay didn't give any 100 percent guarantees, but the same source told him the specifics of the Gray trade before it was official.

In comment 13694070 bceagle05 said:

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a source told him Judge won the MVP award, so we shall see later today. Kay didn't give any 100 percent guarantees, but the same source told him the specifics of the Gray trade before it was official.

I won't believe it until Slade confirms.

and a big IF, he wants to/will be seen as a pitcher (I think he's the guy that can play multiple positions right?) I would think a guy that wants to show hitting ability would opt for the NL.
2+ ABs when he pitches, PH in those 14+ extra inning games, DH in interleague games.

Either one of them wins, you really cannot argue. Both guys had amazing seasons and led their teams to the playoffs, but they did it in different ways. To me, what Judge did was just so rare that I'd give him the edge. He was a little streakier, whereas Alltuve was more consistent, but MVP is about the final result.

Writers consistently prove their bias and stupidity. Each team should get 1 vote, probably the manager on each team. They are the ones who really see the value of the players, IMO.

that is the most famous brand in sports and plays in the world capital is the favorite ?

I would be shocked if he does not sign with Yanks. Promise him 30 starts and 400 AB's at DH if he can hit.

No guarantee's that he will not struggle but the potential is unlimited.

and much more consistent, but the only categories he has an advantage in are Ks and BA. Judge scored more runs, hit more HR, knocked in more runs, had a higher OBA, OPS, OPS+. Plus, Altuve was in a better lineup. Remove Judge from this year's Yankees team and they don't sniff the playoffs.

to be a little more open to the idea of Boston. Hold the line, Giancarlo!

without him this team doesn't sniff what it did. Altuve would need to share the award with Correa and Springer.

some baseball players would figure out that playing in Boston is a living hell. I sort of understand the fools like Crawford & Price who went there because the crazy money wasn't being offered anywhere else. But Stanton already has his money. Let's see how much of a fool he is.

Fangraphs today:

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What it means is that Judge isn’t exactly playing by the usual rules. To show you what I’m getting at, I’ve prepared a plot. I looked at every individual batter-season from 2015 to 2017 with a minimum of 100 batted balls. For every player, I found the wOBA on contact, and I also used Baseball Savant to find the expected wOBA on contact. So this is wOBA without walks, hit-by-pitches, and strikeouts. Judge is highlighted in yellow. You’ll see him.

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Judge just had the highest wOBA on contact in at least three years. He also had the highest expected wOBA on contact in at least three years, and he’s in the lead by 53 points. The name below him, unsurprisingly, is Giancarlo Stanton, but Judge’s data point is extraordinary. By wOBA on contact, Judge just finished a full four standard deviations higher than average. By expected wOBA on contact, meanwhile, he was 4.7 standard deviations higher than average. Stanton, in 2015, was at +3.7 standard deviations. Judge was one standard deviation higher than the next-closest point.

Amazing stuff. Lots more at the link.

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In comment 13694097 Matt M. said:

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and much more consistent, but the only categories he has an advantage in are Ks and BA. Judge scored more runs, hit more HR, knocked in more runs, had a higher OBA, OPS, OPS+. Plus, Altuve was in a better lineup. Remove Judge from this year's Yankees team and they don't sniff the playoffs.

Altuve plays in the middle infield though. That's a big difference imo.

I still think Judge deserves it, but I think position could be a big factor.

Thirty starts, he wants to stick with the once a week pitching regiment. he also wants to hit, he does not really have a position he played, sure he can play the outfield, but he is not really an outfielder, so the teams in the American league have a huge advantage with the DH. There is really no telling where he would want to play, but it will most likely be with an American league team. Let's hope New York is looked at as a positive and he decides to play here, but there are no indications, he is a true unique case because had he waited two years he could have named his price. That alone makes him a true wildcard.

Is a great choice for MVP, but I would vote for Judge. The Home Run, RBI, Runs scored, and OPS advantage would be enough for me. Altuve's batting average is nullified since the On Base percentage is so close, Judge wins in three out of four WAR calculations. I take the power hitter with the high on base percentage every time.

does Otani hit on the days he pitches? Is he considered a DH or the pitcher hitting?

But I'm pretty sure that, if Otani hits in a game he starts, then the rest of the pitchers would have to as well. You either have a DH from the beginning of the game or you don't get one at all.

Great question!, Don't know the answer.

In comment 13694276 Greg from LI said:

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But I'm pretty sure that, if Otani hits in a game he starts, then the rest of the pitchers would have to as well. You either have a DH from the beginning of the game or you don't get one at all.

Hm, can they designate him as the DH even though he's also hitting? Perhaps he just doesn't hit on days he pitches.

Think he doesn't hit on his pitching day. Still an interesting rule question. MLB never had a player post DH. That would do both.

which is a problem if he's taken out of the game. The next pitcher would have to hit or be pinch hit for the next time they came up in the order. The team would "lose" the DH if he's pitching and taken out.

DH the rest of the time.

Yankees can accommodate something like that because they can offset the extra DH at bats he doesn't take by using them for the crowded outfield and to rest Sanchez.

In comment 13694085 Keith said:

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Writers consistently prove their bias and stupidity. Each team should get 1 vote, probably the manager on each team. They are the ones who really see the value of the players, IMO.

And the Cy Young 3 writers didn't have Severino anywhere on their ballot! SMH

In comment 13694295 arniefez said:

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which is a problem if he's taken out of the game. The next pitcher would have to hit or be pinch hit for the next time they came up in the order. The team would "lose" the DH if he's pitching and taken out.

I'm not so sure. Remember in the AL there are 10 position on a lineup card. Couldn't the manager list him in the DH position and the pitcher position?

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AL announcement at 6:45

In comment 13694349 Ace718 said:

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AL announcement at 6:45

Wow close vote for NL. Stanton won by 2 pts over Votto.

were toss-ups. I can't argue against Stanton, but I'd like to see Votto get some more hardware because the guy has been an absolute monster for his career and hasn't gotten nearly the recognition he deserves.

Judge and Altuve are also a toss-up. Altuve will likely win by a decent margin and there's a good argument that he was much better in high-leverage situations than was Judge.

Personally, I view MVP as the most productive/best season, but there are some that like narratives of helping teams get to the postseason. In that regard, Judge has a stronger case because if it weren't for his blazing hot first half of the season, the Yankees might be sellers. They were projected to win 81 games, they were missing Sanchez and Bird, and it was Judge who emerged with Ruthian offense and ignited the team.

But if Altuve wins, it will be very much deserved.

and only gets 2 first place votes. Okay.

27 first place votes, Judge 2nd with 2 first place votes and 27 second place votes

Can’t argue, Altuve was a beast this season

These asshole writers should publish their votes.

I'm not surprised that Altuve won. But Altuve winning in a landslide? That's shocking. How could the NL race be so much closer? The baseball writers just don't like NY.

In comment 13694368 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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and only gets 2 first place votes. Okay.

Lol, what a joke. I have no issue with Altuve winning but 2 first place votes? That’s exactly one more than Ramirez got.

Either way, congrats to Altuve

I hope he puts up another 50 next year and walks away with it then.

That sucks though.

In comment 13694372 B in ALB said:

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These asshole writers should publish their votes.

They do now. This is the first season it is public

In comment 13694372 B in ALB said:

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These asshole writers should publish their votes.

I think they do get published now. I’m watching the MLB network, they showed the writers who voted Votto 5th which cost him MVP. Haven’t seen AL votes yet

But the fact that it wasn't close is the head-scratcher.

Oh well. I look forward to Judge thrashing MLB for the next 10-15 years. A rookie with the season he had is insane. And he's all ours. :)

But Judge being left in the dust? Stanton-Votto was just 2 points off. The AL was 200 points in difference? This is anti NY bias.

Altuve is a deserving winner, but almost unanimously? Get the hell out.

Judge had a horrific month and a half. As good as he was earlier (and later), he was almost as bad during his slide.

If he'd been within earshot of league-average during that time he would have probably won easily.

but congrats to the big guy too!! What a season for both.

Rustin Dodd Kansas City Star KC - Ramirez Altuve Judge Trout Lindor Kluber Hosmer Sale Simmons Betts

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Mookie Betts finished 6th. No, seriously, he did.

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Seriously.

In comment 13694386 Dan in the Springs said:

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Judge had a horrific month and a half. As good as he was earlier (and later), he was almost as bad during his slide. If he'd been within earshot of league-average during that time he would have probably won easily.

And yet, despite that slump, Judge STILL posted better numbers than Altuve, so what's that tell you?

How do you give votes purely on rep?

Judges 1st place votes came from a K.C. and Toronto voter. Both NY voters had him 2nd

And how the fuck is that dumbass George King from the Post one of the voters?
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