Is DKR really rated highly? By who? It received quality but unspectacular critical recognition upon release. And the general audience didn’t seem to blow its lid on it the way they had on the prior Nolan-Batman entry.
IMO The Dark Knight Rises is quite bad and easily the worst film in Christopher Nolan’s filmography. A muddled, meandering mess. I was stunned when I saw it in theaters. Mostly because I still believe The Dark Knight is a phenomenal stand-alone crime saga and hands down the best comic book film of all time.
Back to the topic at hand, the DCU films have been pretty appalling all around. In my mind, if there’s a case to be made around critical bias, you’d have to focus on the fact that Marvel sometimes gets instinctively overpraised for rather formulaic, CGI fare, not that DC is getting unfairly maligned. They need a new direction, which they’re now getting - potentially too late.
It's actually not nearly as bad as the RT number indicates.
It's got really corny moments, the villain is almost as bad as Ares from WW, and the last end-credits scene is dumb, but it's a solid movie. Maybe a B-.
The RT Audience Score is 86%, its the critics score that is low Â
I also go by the audience score. The critics don't make sense to me. When they like a movie I hate it and visa-versa. What they are looking for is not usually what the general audience wants, in my opinion.
For example, The Orville is rated at 21% by the critics, but at 93% by fans. Part of that may be the first episode, which wasn't good, but the series has done really well after that (IMO). Or it might be the critics hate Seth MacFarlane.
Haven't seen JL yet, but I'll probably go next month. The DCEU needs to look seriously at the DCAU (the animated universe) and Bruce Timm, as the DCAU has been excellent for the most part (compared to the movie side...for example, Timm's animated Flashpoint is a must see, the DCEU will need to raise their game significantly to match it).
Likewise, the DC TV side (headed by Greg Berlanti) has been successful by writing good stories, and by good character development for the most part...things that are missing from the DCEU, which under Snyder has been stuck in the Frank Miller "Dark Knight/300" world to it's detriment.
I'm looking forward on the animated side to "Gotham by Gaslight" (here's the trailer on youtube). I was a big fan of the comic in terms of style/atmosphere/story, and I'm hopeful this will lead to more stories in this alternative world.
The villains in these latest movies are just awful Â
Maybe the Nolan trilogy villains just set too high a bar, but these random CGI bad guys are terrible.
I actually kind of enjoyed the group itself. Momoa was a good aquaman, the flash is funny, Gadot is damn perfect. I don't even mind the Batfleck. But same as the Wonder Woman movie, it just devolves into a CGI destruction-fest with everybody throwing themselves against buildings with some totally forgettable bad guy. Could be so much better
I saw Thor: Ragnarok on Saturday...only further confirms my Marvel bias.
Fun and entertaining movie, but 92% on RT?! Give me a fucking break.
It's almost like I wrote this article which highlights everything I've been saying...
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Wonder Woman is the only film in the DCEU so far which received widespread critical acclaim. Nothing portrays the sad state of affairs in the world, though, better than the fact that viewers mainly loved Wonder Woman because the superhero was a woman.
and all the RT score means is total likes vs not likes. That means 92% of the people liked it, which it sounds like you did too. RT doesn’t score on a 0-100 scale, by the way.
It's okay to like a movie because it was an attempt to do something Â
different, even if the difference is the star being a Woman. It's not a sad state of affairs. The sad state of affairs is that female leads in comic book movies, as rare as they are, evoke such spiteful reactions.
RE: Man, you are pissed at an online score for a movie Â
and all the RT score means is total likes vs not likes. That means 92% of the people liked it, which it sounds like you did too. RT doesn’t score on a 0-100 scale, by the way.
Huh? Yes, the scores are derived from critic ratings.
92% of critics approved the movie in-spite of it's multiple flaws. That is a pretty lofty score for such a questionable film.
RE: RE: Man, you are pissed at an online score for a movie Â
and all the RT score means is total likes vs not likes. That means 92% of the people liked it, which it sounds like you did too. RT doesn’t score on a 0-100 scale, by the way.
Huh? Yes, the scores are derived from critic ratings.
92% of critics approved the movie in-spite of it's multiple flaws. That is a pretty lofty score for such a questionable film.
A questionable film that you yourself called fun and entertaining? Ragnarok was unquestionably better than Justice League and I say that as someone that was a fan of Snyder’s other work. Justice League was a mess.
IMO The Dark Knight Rises is quite bad and easily the worst film in Christopher Nolan’s filmography. A muddled, meandering mess. I was stunned when I saw it in theaters. Mostly because I still believe The Dark Knight is a phenomenal stand-alone crime saga and hands down the best comic book film of all time.
Back to the topic at hand, the DCU films have been pretty appalling all around. In my mind, if there’s a case to be made around critical bias, you’d have to focus on the fact that Marvel sometimes gets instinctively overpraised for rather formulaic, CGI fare, not that DC is getting unfairly maligned. They need a new direction, which they’re now getting - potentially too late.
It's got really corny moments, the villain is almost as bad as Ares from WW, and the last end-credits scene is dumb, but it's a solid movie. Maybe a B-.
Haven't seen JL yet, but I'll probably go next month. The DCEU needs to look seriously at the DCAU (the animated universe) and Bruce Timm, as the DCAU has been excellent for the most part (compared to the movie side...for example, Timm's animated Flashpoint is a must see, the DCEU will need to raise their game significantly to match it).
Likewise, the DC TV side (headed by Greg Berlanti) has been successful by writing good stories, and by good character development for the most part...things that are missing from the DCEU, which under Snyder has been stuck in the Frank Miller "Dark Knight/300" world to it's detriment.
I'm looking forward on the animated side to "Gotham by Gaslight" (here's the trailer on youtube). I was a big fan of the comic in terms of style/atmosphere/story, and I'm hopeful this will lead to more stories in this alternative world.
I actually kind of enjoyed the group itself. Momoa was a good aquaman, the flash is funny, Gadot is damn perfect. I don't even mind the Batfleck. But same as the Wonder Woman movie, it just devolves into a CGI destruction-fest with everybody throwing themselves against buildings with some totally forgettable bad guy. Could be so much better
Fun and entertaining movie, but 92% on RT?! Give me a fucking break.
It's almost like I wrote this article which highlights everything I've been saying...
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Huh? Yes, the scores are derived from critic ratings.
92% of critics approved the movie in-spite of it's multiple flaws. That is a pretty lofty score for such a questionable film.
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and all the RT score means is total likes vs not likes. That means 92% of the people liked it, which it sounds like you did too. RT doesn’t score on a 0-100 scale, by the way.
Huh? Yes, the scores are derived from critic ratings.
92% of critics approved the movie in-spite of it's multiple flaws. That is a pretty lofty score for such a questionable film.
A questionable film that you yourself called fun and entertaining? Ragnarok was unquestionably better than Justice League and I say that as someone that was a fan of Snyder’s other work. Justice League was a mess.