... it appears that the levy has broken (if it had not already). Celebrities and pseudo-celebs are "coming out" with their #metoo stories, exposing louts for some level of sexual harassment every day now, it seems.
But what about the "common" people? With BBI being a male-centric website (tip of the cap to the BBI ladies in the room), how many people do YOU guys know who have had this sort of thing happen to them, and of those, how many might expect anything to actually come from it?
That's the sad/tough part of this, imo. Women who are married with kids and husbands (or not) and who just want to live their lives put up with scumbag behavior like this all the time. Mrs. Beez has certainly dealt with it over her career, thankfully not on a physical level like many, but still, she was talking about it recently, saying how it definitely does affect her at small moments, when she looks back and relives the feelings of it happening. One incident occurred when our kids were very young, and a male tried to intimidate her with a physical gesture - no contact - and it was all I could do not to go to her workplace and ... well ... it took a lot of self-control, but she asked me to allow her to handle it, and she did. I still feel like this man, who is no longer there, never really got what he deserved. I'll admit, I have in the past fantasized about tracking him down and seemingly randomly just kicking the shit out of him.
I'm fortunate in that I work in an environment where we are all friends, or on a friendly level - men and women - and in many years at my current place of employment, I've never seen anything that approaches the kinds of behaviors we're seeing in the news, and I'm comfortable saying that of the men I work closely with, we'd all be somewhat protective of our female co-workers if we ever detected anything like that happening.
It's got to be widespread, the shit women deal with, and for the most part, just take.
Wondered if the men of BBI know someone in their lives who has had to deal with this kind of shit. I'm betting that statistically speaking, most or close to all of us have at least one story along those lines, regarding a loved one, family member or friend.
Geez, so I guess that is the reason Pugh was drafted. His arms are too short for a reach around so who knows what sort of deviant behavior Pugh and Reese were involved in.
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You mentioned the combine. You talking Harvey Weinstein play to play stuff or more like Kevin Spacey grabby everyone's gone overboard stuff or simply local dancers and models stuff?
More of just the sexist comments and groping stuff. You'd see some very uncomfortable one-on-one situations late at night. It becomes difficult to draw the line at what is egregious and what is just in poor taste.
Co-opting an issue like this actually sets it back. Who wants to remove the glass ceiling and invite this crap in?
Co-opting an issue like this actually sets it back. Who wants to remove the glass ceiling and invite this crap in?
What is the gain for the women in Alabama? The guys that Spacey groped? Other than destroying the accused...there really is no gain other than notoriety.
I really don't have a problem with any of the women or men that come out. Most of the accused took advantage of positions of power and have it coming.
Co-opting an issue like this actually sets it back. Who wants to remove the glass ceiling and invite this crap in?
I don't think she is gaining anything. Maybe the more women/men come out, leads to a quicker understanding that unwanted advances, no matter how powerful the initiator, is just wrong. Big names are going down. Every one knows about the casting couch - nothing was ever done. Can you imagine having to put out for a POS like Weinstein to get a job? Can you imagine this trash has been getting away with it for decades and others?
Taking a serious issue - exploitation of male power - and extrapolating it to these extremes does not help the cause.
A 92 year old is not a sexual predator. To equate that to abuse is shameful. Leann Tweeden was in a skit that invloved kissing and Franken was a jerk. Very different from Louis CK or Weinstein, which were abherrent.
Taking a serious issue - exploitation of male power - and extrapolating it to these extremes does not help the cause.
A 92 year old is not a sexual predator. To equate that to abuse is shameful. Leann Tweeden was in a skit that invloved kissing and Franken was a jerk. Very different from Louis CK or Weinstein, which were abherrent.
I'm an H.W. fan and age does not excuse grabbing an ass, even if it is the punch line to a joke. Al Franken is scum and always has been. But yes there a different levels of abhorrent behavior, none of which is right.
Would you tolerate someone copping a feel with your wife or sister? It is still wrong - nothing near rape or self abuse in front of unsuspecting people.
What they do as part of a skit is one thing, but it doesn't allow for it to be done away from the stage unwanted.
The number of times I used to go into nursing homes and have the old ladies circle me and grab my ass are numerous, and believe me, you don't want to grab my ass. I used to have one lady love when our salesguy would come in. she'd take out her dentures and lick the rim of her mouth over and over again.
You lose the filter. Bush shouldn't be lumped in with these other things.
Taking a serious issue - exploitation of male power - and extrapolating it to these extremes does not help the cause.
A 92 year old is not a sexual predator. To equate that to abuse is shameful. Leann Tweeden was in a skit that invloved kissing and Franken was a jerk. Very different from Louis CK or Weinstein, which were abherrent.
You've got a really weird take on this. So it's ok for old men to grope? What is the age limit, just so I know when it's safe for me to start doing it?
Franken didn't do this as part of their actual skit. He apparently begged her to rehearse the kiss repeatedly before they ever performed. She didn't think it was necessary, eventually caved in, and he chose to forcefully french kiss her. Gross. Your kind of tacit approval of these two incidents is part of the problem.
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I'm an H.W. fan and age does not excuse grabbing an ass, even if it is the punch line to a joke
The number of times I used to go into nursing homes and have the old ladies circle me and grab my ass are numerous, and believe me, you don't want to grab my ass. I used to have one lady love when our salesguy would come in. she'd take out her dentures and lick the rim of her mouth over and over again.
You lose the filter. Bush shouldn't be lumped in with these other things.
no he should not be lumped in with the wankers.
This shit is EVERYWHERE, and if the current state of the nation is good for anything, this may be it. The sensationalist media culture is jumping on every case, inflating the visibility tremendously - and inadvertently, providing valuable moral lessons to the nation. This shit is NEVER OK. Yes, there's a difference between trawling teens and pu$$y grabbing and inappropriate sexual pics with unsuspecting victims, but it's all wrong and I'm glad to see it hitting the fan.
As a nation, it's high time we were educated and warned on this stuff.
Co-opting an issue like this actually sets it back. Who wants to remove the glass ceiling and invite this crap in?
That's fucked up. I'm a HUGE Franken fan, but who the hell are you to make that determination?
A combination of the Trump and Weinstein scandals opened the floodgates, propogated by Social Media. Tweeden is simply doing the same exact thing hundreds of thousands of women are doing online - she has a bigger megaphone is all.
It sounds to me like she is already plenty successful. Who in their right mind would choose to have half the nutjobs in the country focused on them - with pure venom?
Personal gain? She chose to turn her life into a shitshow.
You're implying that she actually never really minded what Franken did - that this is only about money? Don't you realize that your post is in itself inappropriate? "LISTEN UP, BITCHES. KEEP YOUR TRAPS SHUT."
Another is petty, brutal,clannishness with regards to looking only at 'the other guys'.
Cover ups at The Old Vic, NPR, The Senate...random houses of worship....
Another is petty, brutal,clannishness with regards to looking only at 'the other guys'.
Cover ups at The Old Vic, NPR, The Senate...random houses of worship....
Seems likely that sexual harassment will be looked at differently henceforth.
I thought I had heard it all when they said that GHB groped someone from his dagum wheelchair, but I mean, Ron Jeremy? pfft.
Get close to those situations and one can feel the worm turn. Signals change. New points of emphasis are implied and enforced.
Then, there are those rare individuals who know nothing else and, if deprived of such power loaded situations will instantly create or seek new ones .these are the evil
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What sucks is that this is a great topic of discussion, but it's IMPOSSIBLE to talk about sexual impropriety without getting into Religion and Politics.
Why, because some of the biggest POSs are from those two regions?
You can certainly "talk" about impropriety with out going into either topic. I doubt any of the celebs caught/mentioned have deep religious beliefs. Cant touch on the other but few of them are politicians either. These behavior is not limited to religious people or politicians.
what difference does it make?
There are fucking pictures of it. I see women with vagina hats on and #metoo hash tags on twitter or instagram explaining it wasn't sexual assault or even groping because Tweeden had a flak jacket on and couldn't feel anything or she loses credibility because she has bikini pictures on social media or because she kissed a soldier during her USO tour.
People attach their own moral compass to their whoever supports their politics. it's sickening. On both sides of the aisle and religions.
this country is so hate filled and divided right now people can't see beyond their own fog of hate and it clouds their judgment and makes them look ridiculous.
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Taking a serious issue - exploitation of male power - and extrapolating it to these extremes does not help the cause.
A 92 year old is not a sexual predator. To equate that to abuse is shameful. Leann Tweeden was in a skit that invloved kissing and Franken was a jerk. Very different from Louis CK or Weinstein, which were abherrent.
You've got a really weird take on this. So it's ok for old men to grope? What is the age limit, just so I know when it's safe for me to start doing it?
Franken didn't do this as part of their actual skit. He apparently begged her to rehearse the kiss repeatedly before they ever performed. She didn't think it was necessary, eventually caved in, and he chose to forcefully french kiss her. Gross. Your kind of tacit approval of these two incidents is part of the problem.
The other part of the problem is people pretending an incident is more severe than it is, and distracting us form what matters. A 92 year old groping and girl is inappropriate, but its not sexual harassment. Senility and dementia negate any intent on the geezers part. If someone senses intent and is threatened in that situation, then they are an idiot.
Franken's is more creepy, and not worth defending. But the intentions of the victim are pretty clear. Its purely opportunistic, for her to false equate Franken with the seriously messed up behavior of some of her political buddies. She exploiting a serious issue for political gain.
The scandals Clinton had simmering in 92' - in hindsight, if we knew then what we know now? Gennifer Flowers would've been taken more seriously. LOL, could've been President Jerry Brown.
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...Its purely opportunistic, for her to false equate Franken with the seriously messed up behavior of some of her political buddies. She exploiting a serious issue for political gain.
As I asked before, who the fuck are you to judge? It is EXACTLY attitudes like these that keep women's mouths shut. YOU are part of the problem.
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At all.
Not you Filthy.
Not you Filthy.
Broaddrick says Bill Clinton raped her in the late 1970s.
Co-opting an issue like this actually sets it back. Who wants to remove the glass ceiling and invite this crap in?
For example, my wife was the victim of sexual abuse as a child for about 5 or 6 years. She was made to feel afraid and therefore didn't say anything until she was well into her teens. Her family did not handle it well and nothing was really done to protect her at that time. She basically shut down about it, until about 10 years later, as an adult, when she began therapy. It was more than another 5 years before she was really ready to really address this and even more to confront the person.
Not you Filthy.
Check the "Goddamit Maverick" thread
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Who thinks Leann Tweeden is doing this for any other reason other than personal gain? Years ago something happened. And she's been suffering from it in silence all these years? I'm sure lots more shit happened too, but this one is relevant now, so she going to play the card because she believes that she stands to gain far more than the "trauma" she suffered.
Co-opting an issue like this actually sets it back. Who wants to remove the glass ceiling and invite this crap in?
I"m not saying it's not done for gain, but I also doubt it. It is a weak premise. In general, a lot of sexual assault/harassment is about power, more than sex. Victims, therefor, are overwhelmingly not in the position of power or authority. They are made to feel vulnerable and even at fault. Additionally, regardless of how big or small an incident is considered by an outside party, there is no accounting for how it impacted the victim or how long it takes for them to process and/or be prepared to do so.
For example, my wife was the victim of sexual abuse as a child for about 5 or 6 years. She was made to feel afraid and therefore didn't say anything until she was well into her teens. Her family did not handle it well and nothing was really done to protect her at that time. She basically shut down about it, until about 10 years later, as an adult, when she began therapy. It was more than another 5 years before she was really ready to really address this and even more to confront the person.
2) With Tweeden, it is not just the forced kiss he pulled in the skit. She is also upset with the picture of him groping her while she was sleeping. Again, this was likely meant as just a funny picture, but it is also not acceptable.
Dismissing things like this as a cash grab or for personal gain doesn't serve a purpose.
Dismissing things like this as a cash grab or for personal gain doesn't serve a purpose.
That being said, let's not dismiss his actions as something of a senile old bird. There are new allegations that he was groping women while in office. If true, that likely means he's been doing it his entire adult life.
Is it on the level of Spacey of Weinstein. Or Bill Clinton even. But let's call a spade a spade.
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This is getting confusing. Someone could do a graphic illustration of some kind.
Not you Filthy.
Broaddrick says Bill Clinton raped her in the late 1970s.
Morality and outrage have always been situational. I wonder if these recent spates are pointing to cracks in that. HuffPo, of all things, is reporting that workers in both the Clinton and Sanders campaigns were sexually harassed. Well see how this plays now.
Morality and outrage have always been situational. I wonder if these recent spates are pointing to cracks in that. HuffPo, of all things, is reporting that workers in both the Clinton and Sanders campaigns were sexually harassed. Well see how this plays now.
More than a crack, Id say. The dam has broken - its a full deluge. Public opinion can change very quickly. Look at gay marriage. In 2008 at the beginning of the Obama administration, 70% of the public was against it. 5 years later, 70% were in favor.
In reality I think peoples opinions were changing gradually, so much so people dont even realize their own option is changing. It takes some major event to really release the wave. I think thats happening now with sexual intimidations and such against women.