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The 2012 NFL Draft will haunt this franchise forever

FireJerryReese : 11/16/2017 4:46 pm
32 - David Wilson

37 - Mitchell Schwartz
41 - Cordy Glenn
44 - Jeff Allen
60 - Kelechi Osemele

63 - Rueben Randle

76 - Brandon Brooks

94 - Jayron Hosley

127 - The JPP of Tight Ends


Jerry Reese goes RB/WR/CB/TE with his 1st 4 picks.

What a complete imbecile.

This draft got Coughlin fired.
Clearly, no biases here  
Giantology : 11/16/2017 4:47 pm : link
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Forever?  
ron mexico : 11/16/2017 4:48 pm : link
Like ever ever?
It was an incredibly bad draft  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/16/2017 4:49 pm : link
took a few of those to set you back.
So you're saying Jerry Reese is at fault?  
adamg : 11/16/2017 4:49 pm : link
Or...
No It  
joeinpa : 11/16/2017 4:49 pm : link
Won t. It s 5 years ago. The impact of that draft is waning with each new draft.
Forever?  
gmen9892 : 11/16/2017 5:17 pm : link
Step off the ledge pal.
Didn't you post this exact thread  
Reb8thVA : 11/16/2017 5:19 pm : link
Last week? I know I read this exact post sometime recently
Get a fucking grip  
djm : 11/16/2017 5:22 pm : link
2012 was 5 years ago.

Every other GM in the NFL nails every draft. Only Reese misses. Am I right?

This franchise missed on the coaching staff first and foremost.
You may have forgotten  
mrvax : 11/16/2017 5:28 pm : link
at the time, the Giants had only 1 RB on the roster. That was a broken up Bradshaw. RB was a huge need.
Coughlin got himself fired  
Go Terps : 11/16/2017 5:36 pm : link
This draft, though, does represent a fundamental organizational flaw that's been in place since we've had Eli Manning: the notion of "loading up for one more run".

This team has been reacting to perceived roster holes instead of proactively creating a roster that is the result of a comprehensive planning process. Now that Eli can no longer cover for that we're seeing the results.
RE: You may have forgotten  
Go Terps : 11/16/2017 5:37 pm : link
In comment 13694291 mrvax said:
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at the time, the Giants had only 1 RB on the roster. That was a broken up Bradshaw. RB was a huge need.


Drafting for need is how you ensure drafting high every year.
This is revealing...  
bw in dc : 11/16/2017 5:46 pm : link
I knew it was poor but that was piss poor.

Seems like one of those situations where you had a better chance of picking someone useful by throwing a dart at a board with player's names.

As easy as it is to blame Reese, Mara is the real culprit. He has enabled this by keeping Reese in this critical position of decision making.

David Wilson would have been a great pick if he hadn't had a neck  
SterlingArcher : 11/16/2017 5:54 pm : link
problem that forced him to retire. If it was known before the draft I am sure the Giants would have drafted a different player.
David Wilson should never be described as a great pick  
Jimmy Googs : 11/16/2017 5:56 pm : link
No matter what came of his neck.

He was a good KR and nothing else...
Reese has always been rather reactionary with his picks.  
Sarcastic Sam : 11/16/2017 5:57 pm : link
Gibril Wilson leaves, so you draft Kenny Phillips. Plax shoots himself, so you draft Hakeem Nicks. Pugh to replace McKenzie. Nicks to Beckham. And so on and so forth. Not the most forward thinking of personnel managers.
You know that Wilson was 2nd-team All-Pro, right?  
81_Great_Dane : 11/16/2017 5:59 pm : link
He wasn't a "miss." He wasn't a "bust." He had a career-ending injury.
That draft was  
Josh in MD : 11/16/2017 6:02 pm : link
awful and Reese is bad. But don't forget 1972 when we took Eldridge Small and Larry Jacobson with Lydell Mitchell and Cliff Branch still on the board. Talk about forever.
RE: You know that Wilson was 2nd-team All-Pro, right?  
Sarcastic Sam : 11/16/2017 6:06 pm : link
In comment 13694333 81_Great_Dane said:
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He wasn't a "miss." He wasn't a "bust." He had a career-ending injury.


He was a nice special teams player. As a rusher? Exclude 1 game in New Orleans and he has 404 yards on 103 carries over 2 injury-plagued years. Hardly noteworthy.
RE: Reese has always been rather reactionary with his picks.  
Modus Operandi : 11/16/2017 6:09 pm : link
In comment 13694329 Sarcastic Sam said:
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Gibril Wilson leaves, so you draft Kenny Phillips. Plax shoots himself, so you draft Hakeem Nicks. Pugh to replace McKenzie. Nicks to Beckham. And so on and so forth. Not the most forward thinking of personnel managers.


Phillips, Nicks and Pugh were all upper echelon players at their respective positions. Two of those guys were major contributors to a championship.

What an odd post.
RE: Reese has always been rather reactionary with his picks.  
compton : 11/16/2017 6:21 pm : link
In comment 13694329 Sarcastic Sam said:
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Gibril Wilson leaves, so you draft Kenny Phillips. Plax shoots himself, so you draft Hakeem Nicks. Pugh to replace McKenzie. Nicks to Beckham. And so on and so forth. Not the most forward thinking of personnel managers.


So he shouldn't have seek replacements for Wilson, Plax, Nicks, Smith, etc? Or are you implying that Reese should have foreseen that injuries will end those players careers, and he should have been proactive by having their replacements in place before the injuries happen?
Patriots 2006 draft class  
MetsAreBack : 11/16/2017 6:40 pm : link
unfortunately... they never recovered from it.

2006
1.21 RB Laurence Maroney Minnesota
2.04 WR Chad Jackson Florida from GB; trade 2006 2.20, 3.11
3.22 TE David Thomas Texas
4.09 TE Garrett Mills Tulsa from DET
4.21 K Stephen Gostkowski Memphis
5.03 OL Ryan O'Callaghan California from OAK
6.22 DL Jeremy Mincey Florida
6.36 OL Dan Stevenson Notre Dame compensatory pick
6.37 DL Le Kevin Smith Nebraska compensatory pick
7.21 DB Willie Andrews Baylor
RE: RE: Reese has always been rather reactionary with his picks.  
Diver_Down : 11/16/2017 6:53 pm : link
In comment 13694340 Modus Operandi said:
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Gibril Wilson leaves, so you draft Kenny Phillips. Plax shoots himself, so you draft Hakeem Nicks. Pugh to replace McKenzie. Nicks to Beckham. And so on and so forth. Not the most forward thinking of personnel managers.



Phillips, Nicks and Pugh were all upper echelon players at their respective positions. Two of those guys were major contributors to a championship.

What an odd post.


Odd indeed. When did Pugh become an upper echelon player? The guy has been a keystone player for the worst OL in his 5 year tenure. Of course, he only deserves that accolade when he actually suits up. I missed when he was named to a Pro-Bowl. He can't even be named as a replacement for an alternate of a pro-bowler.
Forever? No.  
old man : 11/16/2017 7:15 pm : link
In a rare moment....IN HIS DEFENSE:
Picking #32.
Needed RB, and who knows what DW becomes.
Tampa took his favorite toy, Martin.
What I dont get is they only need to choose from :
QB, RB, WR, DE, DT, CB, S, and the Ks, since they do NOT know OL and LB are existing positions.

That said...whoever is choosing the picks after #1, needs a cleat in the eye.
No draft haunts your team FOREVER.  
FStubbs : 11/16/2017 7:25 pm : link
In that same draft, the Redskins made a much worse move than the Giants did - trading 3 first round picks and a 2nd round pick (one of which turned into Jackrabbit and another became the #2 pick in the draft - though the Rams blew that pick) for RG3.

That draft was worse than our 2012 draft because it impacted their FUTURE drafts as well. And yet look at where each team is today.
RE: Patriots 2006 draft class  
Larry in Pencilvania : 11/16/2017 7:34 pm : link
In comment 13694359 MetsAreBack said:
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unfortunately... they never recovered from it.

2006
1.21 RB Laurence Maroney Minnesota
2.04 WR Chad Jackson Florida from GB; trade 2006 2.20, 3.11
3.22 TE David Thomas Texas
4.09 TE Garrett Mills Tulsa from DET
4.21 K Stephen Gostkowski Memphis
5.03 OL Ryan O'Callaghan California from OAK
6.22 DL Jeremy Mincey Florida
6.36 OL Dan Stevenson Notre Dame compensatory pick
6.37 DL Le Kevin Smith Nebraska compensatory pick
7.21 DB Willie Andrews Baylor


What do you mean? Bill nailed it with the kicker
Who knows with Wilson?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/16/2017 7:40 pm : link
He was a rookie. He could have been good. He could have sucked.
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robbieballs2003 : 11/16/2017 8:29 pm : link
Yikes.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/16/2017 8:45 pm : link
That was a bad one.
Your threads suck ASS  
BigBlue4You09 : 11/16/2017 8:52 pm : link
No offense
Holy melodrama.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/16/2017 8:57 pm : link
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RE: Coughlin got himself fired  
AcidTest : 11/16/2017 9:01 pm : link
In comment 13694301 Go Terps said:
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This draft, though, does represent a fundamental organizational flaw that's been in place since we've had Eli Manning: the notion of "loading up for one more run".

This team has been reacting to perceived roster holes instead of proactively creating a roster that is the result of a comprehensive planning process. Now that Eli can no longer cover for that we're seeing the results.


Agreed. Excellent analysis.
Well, also reacting to actual roster holes  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/16/2017 9:24 pm : link
Win a super bowl in 07 with a patchwork defensive backfield, lose their best safety to free agency, add to the defense with a late first round safety. They score a hit, get a player who shows great promise and should be a starter for at least 4 years if not longer. Player starts second season with a breakout game, immediately injured, career derailed to major knee surgery




Their #1 receiver screws up and goes to jail one year after winning a super bowl, creating a gaping wound in the offense of a team that's expected to be a perennial playoff team with a 27 year old franchise QB who just won a ring.

They spend their first round pick on a pro-ready #1 WR, and score a hit, They get a player who should solidify the position for four years and maybe be re-signed long term.

Injured by 2012, never the same player, leaves town after rookie deal.

It's been crushing injury after crushing injury to high-drafted players one after the other. And even their best late picks and undrafted finds got their careers nuked by injuries before they could ever establish themselves. They never had the opportunity to fill the roster because they were chasing their tails to make up for the loss of high-impact players who were the right pick and got taken out.
RE: Who knows with Wilson?  
WillVAB : 11/16/2017 9:50 pm : link
In comment 13694420 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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He was a rookie. He could have been good. He could have sucked.


He wasn’t a rookie. He just sucked as a RB. Couldn’t beat out old ass Bradshaw, Andre Brown, or Da’rell Scott for snaps.
RE: RE: RE: Reese has always been rather reactionary with his picks.  
Modus Operandi : 11/16/2017 10:29 pm : link
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Gibril Wilson leaves, so you draft Kenny Phillips. Plax shoots himself, so you draft Hakeem Nicks. Pugh to replace McKenzie. Nicks to Beckham. And so on and so forth. Not the most forward thinking of personnel managers.



Phillips, Nicks and Pugh were all upper echelon players at their respective positions. Two of those guys were major contributors to a championship.

What an odd post.



Odd indeed. When did Pugh become an upper echelon player? The guy has been a keystone player for the worst OL in his 5 year tenure. Of course, he only deserves that accolade when he actually suits up. I missed when he was named to a Pro-Bowl. He can't even be named as a replacement for an alternate of a pro-bowler.


Pugh has been our best OL since he's been drafted. Unfortunately, his career has seemingly been derailed too early by injury like so many promising picks.

I know the narrative around here has been that Pugh is injury prone and shouldn't be resigned to major money. I'm also aware that you, in particular, seem to find a reason to bitch about anything and everything. But you don't get to revise what's been a reality. Pugh was a good pick. Arguably the best OL of that draft. Certainly the first round.
Every GM struggles for the most part for 6 years.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/16/2017 10:43 pm : link
It's not a big deal. Geez.
My issue with Reese  
uconngiant : 11/17/2017 12:36 am : link
He is a needs drafter as we have seen by this draft and others, unless it is a linebacker
RE: No draft haunts your team FOREVER.  
DonQuixote : 11/17/2017 2:47 am : link
In comment 13694413 FStubbs said:
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In that same draft, the Redskins made a much worse move than the Giants did - trading 3 first round picks and a 2nd round pick (one of which turned into Jackrabbit and another became the #2 pick in the draft - though the Rams blew that pick) for RG3.

That draft was worse than our 2012 draft because it impacted their FUTURE drafts as well. And yet look at where each team is today.


good post
We picked last in 2012  
aquidneck : 11/17/2017 5:57 am : link
Because we won the super bowl the previous February.

2012 was 5 years ago now. The average NFL career is less than 4 years.

We had playoff talent last year. What changed?

Nothing that happened 5 years ago is really relevant to what is happening now.

RE: RE: RE: RE: Reese has always been rather reactionary with his picks.  
Diver_Down : 11/17/2017 8:10 am : link
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Gibril Wilson leaves, so you draft Kenny Phillips. Plax shoots himself, so you draft Hakeem Nicks. Pugh to replace McKenzie. Nicks to Beckham. And so on and so forth. Not the most forward thinking of personnel managers.



Phillips, Nicks and Pugh were all upper echelon players at their respective positions. Two of those guys were major contributors to a championship.

What an odd post.



Odd indeed. When did Pugh become an upper echelon player? The guy has been a keystone player for the worst OL in his 5 year tenure. Of course, he only deserves that accolade when he actually suits up. I missed when he was named to a Pro-Bowl. He can't even be named as a replacement for an alternate of a pro-bowler.



Pugh has been our best OL since he's been drafted. Unfortunately, his career has seemingly been derailed too early by injury like so many promising picks.

I know the narrative around here has been that Pugh is injury prone and shouldn't be resigned to major money. I'm also aware that you, in particular, seem to find a reason to bitch about anything and everything. But you don't get to revise what's been a reality. Pugh was a good pick. Arguably the best OL of that draft. Certainly the first round.


Just because it was getting late, doesn't mean you can make up assertions. Best OL of the draft? Certainly the first round? I'll name three in the first that have had a better career compared to Pugh. 1. Eric Fisher 2. Lane Johnson 3. Kyle Long. There were others that could be argued that are equally accomplished without the injury. Certainly there are others that were picked later and accomplished much more. (David Bahktiari -4th rd.)
Who the F*&K  
BronxBombers : 11/17/2017 8:54 am : link
is Brandon Brooks...i read this site everyday, pay attention online and on tv about the giants, pride myself on my fandom and knowledge...i have no clue who this kid is/was?
Tom Coughlin had as much input and as much  
arniefez : 11/17/2017 8:59 am : link
responsibility for that draft as Jerry Reese did. You really think Jerry Reese had more power with the Mara's in 2012 than Tom Coughlin did?

“This coach had as much of a say as any head coach we ever had,” Mara said of Tom Coughlin. “I cannot think of any personnel decisions that we made in the last 12 years that Tom was against. He did not have any players forced upon him at all.”
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Reese has always been rather reactionary with his picks.  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/17/2017 9:00 am : link
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Gibril Wilson leaves, so you draft Kenny Phillips. Plax shoots himself, so you draft Hakeem Nicks. Pugh to replace McKenzie. Nicks to Beckham. And so on and so forth. Not the most forward thinking of personnel managers.



Phillips, Nicks and Pugh were all upper echelon players at their respective positions. Two of those guys were major contributors to a championship.

What an odd post.



Odd indeed. When did Pugh become an upper echelon player? The guy has been a keystone player for the worst OL in his 5 year tenure. Of course, he only deserves that accolade when he actually suits up. I missed when he was named to a Pro-Bowl. He can't even be named as a replacement for an alternate of a pro-bowler.



Pugh has been our best OL since he's been drafted. Unfortunately, his career has seemingly been derailed too early by injury like so many promising picks.

I know the narrative around here has been that Pugh is injury prone and shouldn't be resigned to major money. I'm also aware that you, in particular, seem to find a reason to bitch about anything and everything. But you don't get to revise what's been a reality. Pugh was a good pick. Arguably the best OL of that draft. Certainly the first round.



Just because it was getting late, doesn't mean you can make up assertions. Best OL of the draft? Certainly the first round? I'll name three in the first that have had a better career compared to Pugh. 1. Eric Fisher 2. Lane Johnson 3. Kyle Long. There were others that could be argued that are equally accomplished without the injury. Certainly there are others that were picked later and accomplished much more. (David Bahktiari -4th rd.)

Let's not forget that Pugh was not tough enough to be carried off a football field on a spine board a dozen times in high school and is therefore a "puss."
RE: We picked last in 2012  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/17/2017 9:13 am : link
In comment 13694584 aquidneck said:
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Because we won the super bowl the previous February.

2012 was 5 years ago now. The average NFL career is less than 4 years.

We had playoff talent last year. What changed?

Nothing that happened 5 years ago is really relevant to what is happening now.



They had playoff talent because they had to go out and buy it due to a real lack of being able to keep supplying the team with drafted talent. So the past five years are certainly still relevant.
If they had drafted well in 2012  
RollBlue : 11/17/2017 9:35 am : link
they still would have had to "buy" talent in 2016 to keep it. Why don't people understand this? Doesn't managing the cap well enough to go out and get 3 all pro players, or close to it, count?

I think McAdoo has shown he's not good at handling the adversity. TC's teams had plenty of brutal losses, and even started 2013 (I think) 0-6 but managed to right the ship.

Show me any team, other than NE (BB is by FAR the best in the business), that loses there top 4 WR in one game, 3 for the year, and compete for the playoffs? They may be 4-5 instead of 1-8. As a fan, I'd rather suffer through 2-14 and get a top pick than go 7-9.

The reason Mac needs to go, along with the rest of the staff, is the collapse of the Defense. People blaming that on Reese just have an agenda.
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Diver_Down : 11/17/2017 9:39 am : link
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Gibril Wilson leaves, so you draft Kenny Phillips. Plax shoots himself, so you draft Hakeem Nicks. Pugh to replace McKenzie. Nicks to Beckham. And so on and so forth. Not the most forward thinking of personnel managers.



Phillips, Nicks and Pugh were all upper echelon players at their respective positions. Two of those guys were major contributors to a championship.

What an odd post.



Odd indeed. When did Pugh become an upper echelon player? The guy has been a keystone player for the worst OL in his 5 year tenure. Of course, he only deserves that accolade when he actually suits up. I missed when he was named to a Pro-Bowl. He can't even be named as a replacement for an alternate of a pro-bowler.



Pugh has been our best OL since he's been drafted. Unfortunately, his career has seemingly been derailed too early by injury like so many promising picks.

I know the narrative around here has been that Pugh is injury prone and shouldn't be resigned to major money. I'm also aware that you, in particular, seem to find a reason to bitch about anything and everything. But you don't get to revise what's been a reality. Pugh was a good pick. Arguably the best OL of that draft. Certainly the first round.



Just because it was getting late, doesn't mean you can make up assertions. Best OL of the draft? Certainly the first round? I'll name three in the first that have had a better career compared to Pugh. 1. Eric Fisher 2. Lane Johnson 3. Kyle Long. There were others that could be argued that are equally accomplished without the injury. Certainly there are others that were picked later and accomplished much more. (David Bahktiari -4th rd.)


Let's not forget that Pugh was not tough enough to be carried off a football field on a spine board a dozen times in high school and is therefore a "puss."


Since you can't seem to let it go, his toughness certainly can be questioned. A bruised thigh, headaches, sore back all reasons why he has missed games. As much shit that I shovel on Flowers, I've always been consistent with praising him for his toughness and hobbling through the high ankle sprain his rookie year. Without question, Pugh would have gone on IR and would likely hold a press conference espousing how tough the game is and the players. He even had a sprained MCL that he missed games for. The same injury in the same year that Big Ben had. Yet, despite earning the drama queen label, Big Ben returned to action sooner than your tough guy Pugh. Perhaps, he should be wearing the crown.
That draft  
oldog : 11/17/2017 10:56 am : link
will endure as long as the 1000 year Reich.
Yes because Reese should  
Les in TO : 11/17/2017 11:15 am : link
Have predicted that David Wilson would have to retire after one and a seasons due to a neck injury

People seem to forget how explosive he was - 5 yards per carry as a rook with some great kickoff returns as well.

Randle and Holsey were what you would expect for second and third round picks
eh  
Banks : 11/17/2017 11:50 am : link
Bradshaw was 26 yrs old and still getting over 4.5 yards a clip. I don't think Wilson not starting over him is indicative of him sucking. Hell Brown and Wilson averaged over 5. He had such a short career who knows how it would have played out.
bullshit  
Paulie Walnuts : 11/17/2017 12:31 pm : link
KM was done after 2011 and was told not to come back , RT and LT were a HUGE need in 2012 and Reese blew it

you can get a RB in 2nd or 3rd
Reese has had one good draft , 2007, he and Ross both stink
I really like Coughlin and didn't want him gone, but  
an_idol_mind : 11/17/2017 1:02 pm : link
I think his coaching decisions in 2015 were the primary reason he got fired.

-Failure to seal the game on opening day in Dallas.
-Poor game management against Atlanta to drop to 0-2.
-Choosing not to kick the field goal to put the Jets game out of reach.
-The Panthers game debacle.

If he had made better decisions in even two of those games, the team hits 8-8 and he probably gets another year.

This is not to excuse Reese's bad drafting, nor am I intending to call Coughlin a bad coach. However, he made some costly mistakes in 2015, and you can't afford to do that when you've already missed the playoffs three years running.
David Wilson stunk  
Dave : 11/17/2017 1:17 pm : link
as a first rd pick.

he was a good KR, had a lil success as a RB, but it was a horrible draft pick. imo, too high to take a scat back that couldn't block and who had fumbling and health issues (remember he said he had an injury at the combine, and i wonder if nyg dr's coulda/shoulda noticed his spinal condition...)
RE: Well, also reacting to actual roster holes  
Go Terps : 11/17/2017 3:25 pm : link
In comment 13694471 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Win a super bowl in 07 with a patchwork defensive backfield, lose their best safety to free agency, add to the defense with a late first round safety. They score a hit, get a player who shows great promise and should be a starter for at least 4 years if not longer. Player starts second season with a breakout game, immediately injured, career derailed to major knee surgery




Their #1 receiver screws up and goes to jail one year after winning a super bowl, creating a gaping wound in the offense of a team that's expected to be a perennial playoff team with a 27 year old franchise QB who just won a ring.

They spend their first round pick on a pro-ready #1 WR, and score a hit, They get a player who should solidify the position for four years and maybe be re-signed long term.

Injured by 2012, never the same player, leaves town after rookie deal.

It's been crushing injury after crushing injury to high-drafted players one after the other. And even their best late picks and undrafted finds got their careers nuked by injuries before they could ever establish themselves. They never had the opportunity to fill the roster because they were chasing their tails to make up for the loss of high-impact players who were the right pick and got taken out.


They do not deserve a pass for Plax. They knew he was a problem and signed him to a contract anyway. The forward thinking move would have been to move on from him after the Super Bowl. And that's not second guessing from me...I was on this board suggesting they trade him in summer 2008 and I caught a lot of shit for it.

Plax wasn't something that just happened to them. He was a problem they ignored until it blew up in their faces.
RE: RE: Well, also reacting to actual roster holes  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/17/2017 6:18 pm : link
In comment 13695145 Go Terps said:
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Win a super bowl in 07 with a patchwork defensive backfield, lose their best safety to free agency, add to the defense with a late first round safety. They score a hit, get a player who shows great promise and should be a starter for at least 4 years if not longer. Player starts second season with a breakout game, immediately injured, career derailed to major knee surgery




Their #1 receiver screws up and goes to jail one year after winning a super bowl, creating a gaping wound in the offense of a team that's expected to be a perennial playoff team with a 27 year old franchise QB who just won a ring.

They spend their first round pick on a pro-ready #1 WR, and score a hit, They get a player who should solidify the position for four years and maybe be re-signed long term.

Injured by 2012, never the same player, leaves town after rookie deal.

It's been crushing injury after crushing injury to high-drafted players one after the other. And even their best late picks and undrafted finds got their careers nuked by injuries before they could ever establish themselves. They never had the opportunity to fill the roster because they were chasing their tails to make up for the loss of high-impact players who were the right pick and got taken out.



They do not deserve a pass for Plax. They knew he was a problem and signed him to a contract anyway. The forward thinking move would have been to move on from him after the Super Bowl. And that's not second guessing from me...I was on this board suggesting they trade him in summer 2008 and I caught a lot of shit for it.

Plax wasn't something that just happened to them. He was a problem they ignored until it blew up in their faces.

Has it occurred to you that when you continue to suggest that the team trade or move on from their best players that people tune those suggestions out?
Gatorade  
Go Terps : 11/18/2017 11:14 pm : link
Has it occurred to you to use any amount of foresight in deterring what a player is going to be as opposed to what he's been?

The writing was all over the wall for Plax in 2008. Signing him was abject stupidity.
These is where Reese missed...  
EricJ : 11/19/2017 7:28 am : link
1. Taking the OL "seriously" and making a priority.
2. When he did attempt to address it, he whiffed with his player decisions
3. The head coaching decision... although that could have been more Mara. We may never know.
See what happens when you use 2 of your top 3 picks in Hokies?  
Greg from LI : 11/19/2017 8:12 am : link
Disaster follows.
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