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Baker Mayfield

CMicks3110 : 11/17/2017 10:56 pm
looks like a more mobile Drew Brees, accurate, passionate, more than enough arm strength to be successful - a winner. Thoughts on this guy?
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Sean : 11/17/2017 11:02 pm : link
Don’t like his size, video of him running from the cops, plays against lousy defenses & how many good B12 QB’s are in the NFL?

I like Darnold & Rosen.
Darnold is the guy I want  
Optimus-NY : 11/17/2017 11:23 pm : link
Let's pray we get the #1. Cleveland needs to win 1 or 2 games.
RE: Darnold is the guy I want  
smshmth8690 : 11/17/2017 11:28 pm : link
In comment 13695467 Optimus-NY said:
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Let's pray we get the #1. Cleveland needs to win 1 or 2 games.


The Giants will be in a position to draft a franchise QB with only Cleveland in front of them, and it will be the year the fucking Browns finally pick right.
Boom or bust prospect.  
TC : 11/17/2017 11:41 pm : link
If the Giants draft him, he will be a bust. If a Giants' opponent drafts him, he'll likely be All-Pro.
If we're going QB it should be Darnold  
Torrag : 11/17/2017 11:43 pm : link
He's the best pro prospect.
TC  
Samiam : 11/18/2017 12:09 am : link
You sure you’re not a Jets fan?
RE: Boom or bust prospect.  
mrvax : 11/18/2017 12:16 am : link
In comment 13695477 TC said:
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If the Giants draft him, he will be a bust. If a Giants' opponent drafts him, he'll likely be All-Pro.


Eli turned out to be pretty good.
RE: RE: Darnold is the guy I want  
Optimus-NY : 11/18/2017 12:27 am : link
In comment 13695474 smshmth8690 said:
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Let's pray we get the #1. Cleveland needs to win 1 or 2 games.



The Giants will be in a position to draft a franchise QB with only Cleveland in front of them, and it will be the year the fucking Browns finally pick right.


Darnold won't come out if Cleveland has the 1st pick.
RE: RE: RE: Darnold is the guy I want  
mrvax : 11/18/2017 12:48 am : link
In comment 13695488 Optimus-NY said:
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Darnold won't come out if Cleveland has the 1st pick.


How could he be reasonably sure he'd be their pick?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Darnold is the guy I want  
Milton : 11/18/2017 2:37 am : link
In comment 13695489 mrvax said:
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Darnold won't come out if Cleveland has the 1st pick.



How could he be reasonably sure he'd be their pick?
Or that he wouldn't be their choice with the second pick if the team with the first pick takes another QB.

Darnold will make his decision on whether or not to turn pro based on factors that have nothing to do with who has the first pick.
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arcarsenal : 11/18/2017 2:40 am : link
Darnold actually reminds me of Eli a little bit in the sense that he can look brilliant at times and then at other times, he'll look terrible. I can see him being very polarizing the same way Eli has been through his career.

Jackson has the most exciting skillset to me - if he develops more as a passer and can become more accurate, he can be deadly with the right coaching/system.

After seeing what Watson did before he got hurt this year, it's hard not to watch Jackson and feel like he could bring a lot of the same playmaking ability to the table.

It's going to be interesting to see how it plays out.

I would be willing to bet that at least one guy in this QB class will become a big time NFL star. It's a good class. It could wind up being a lot like 2004 where there are 3 guys who go on to have really great careers.

Goes without saying this will be the most important Giants draft pick in over a decade. Just hope we get it right.
Darnold would be my last choice  
Giant John : 11/18/2017 4:58 am : link
Terrible.
He doesn't have Brees' arm  
jeff57 : 11/18/2017 7:26 am : link
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I would be reluctant to draft  
joeinpa : 11/18/2017 7:37 am : link
A quarterback who never plays under center that high
Baker Mayfield  
Alwaysblue22 : 11/18/2017 8:39 am : link
Baker Mayfield may be only 6 feet tall but he has the passion, enthusiasm, sufficient mobility and toughness to be an NFL all -pro QB. He has a certain intangible that comes from inside a player that separates the average player from a great one. He elevates the level of play of the people around him. Most importantly he is not sloppy with the ball, and has the instinctive ability to avoid the pass rush. He is the type of QB that is needed in the NFL today with the speed of the defenses. I love Eli but a QB just like him ( Rosen) has too many limitations in today's game. Darnold needs to stay in school and develop his skills. I like Josh Allen too but he runs too much and does not use the pocket like Mayfield. Mayfield also knows when to run himself and can pick up tough yards on his own. He throws darts with a strong arm into small spaces ( both short and long passes). I don't think you can ask more from a QB. I think that every prospect must be viewed independently and not based upon how many Pro QBs come from his conference. Yes he does remind me of Drew Brees only he is a better version, in my opinion. Of course all final determinations by scouts will be made at the combine. If he has a good combine I would consider him first before taking another QB.
Giant John  
Marty866b : 11/18/2017 8:41 am : link
I hope you're not a scout for the Giants.
I don't like Darnold  
CMicks3110 : 11/18/2017 9:17 am : link
Either. I think Davis Webb looks like a better QB. The one thing I do like about Darnold is that he seems pretty mobile within the pocket and can make plays under pressure. Otherwise I don't think he has great arm talent
Somehow find out  
Massgman : 11/18/2017 9:37 am : link
.....which QB New England is thinking of drafting in the 6th round
CMicks3110  
Marty866b : 11/18/2017 9:40 am : link
How many times have you seen Darnold play? Not to be argumentative,just curious.










Well Marty you will then be pleased to know I am not a Giants scout  
Giant John : 11/18/2017 9:57 am : link
I would be equally pleased knowing you're not one either. And if you are that explains some things then I guess.
Have a great day.
I like Mayfield alot  
est1986 : 11/18/2017 10:23 am : link
But I don't know if all of his game translates to the pro's. Darnold is the next great NFL QB. I hope Darnold pulls an Eli and does to Cleveland what Eli did to San Diego.
i havent' watched him that much  
CMicks3110 : 11/18/2017 10:38 am : link
but i really didnt love his mechanics that much and i was hoping for a QB with a bit more mobility. I honestly think I like Mayfield the best.
CMicks3110  
Marty866b : 11/18/2017 10:47 am : link
You're right,Darnold's mechanics need work. He is inexperienced,he didn't play high school football until late. Was the starting point guard on the basketball team. He has enough mobility to avoid pass rushers and can take off and run . Much more mobile then Rosen who has much better mechanics and a bigger arm. Darnold is more coachable and has a much better winning record.
Giant John  
Marty866b : 11/18/2017 10:50 am : link
Anyone who thinks that Darnold is terrible knows nothing about football. He most likely will be selected in the first couple of picks in the upcoming draft so I guess the NFL scouts don't know anything. Darnold could turn out to be a bust but to say he's terrible at the college level is beyond ridiculous.
The more QBs in play, the better for the Giants  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/18/2017 11:54 am : link
I dont think Mayfield's height whould be a deciding factor. I've watched Brees and Wilson in the pocket, both do just fine. I'm keen to see the final evaluations and how they play in their bowl games.
Never start a land war in Asia,  
PatersonPlank : 11/18/2017 12:47 pm : link
and never draft a Big 12 QB with a top pick.
Marty  
Giant John : 11/18/2017 5:09 pm : link
Who set you up as judge and jury? I’ll have to remember “all knowing Marty”. You can have your opinion and I’ll have mine.
RE: Never start a land war in Asia,  
Modus Operandi : 11/18/2017 5:38 pm : link
In comment 13695762 PatersonPlank said:
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and never draft a Big 12 QB with a top pick.


That line of thinking will get you fired as GM as you'd pass on a guy like Troy Aikmen.

You scout and draft the player, not the conference.
Did I see him grabbing his crotch taunting today?  
Sean : 11/18/2017 7:48 pm : link
Yeah, no way. I prefer maturity at the QB position.
RE: Did I see him grabbing his crotch taunting today?  
AnishPatel : 11/18/2017 8:02 pm : link
In comment 13696029 Sean said:
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Yeah, no way. I prefer maturity at the QB position.


You can coach that. You're not going to get everything in a player too often. You have to ask yourself if that's a fixable problem or not. In my opinion, immaturity can be coached when it's like that.
Seems as mature as Johnny Manziel  
ThreePoints : 11/18/2017 8:08 pm : link
Pass.
RE: RE: Did I see him grabbing his crotch taunting today?  
Sean : 11/18/2017 8:09 pm : link
In comment 13696032 AnishPatel said:
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Yeah, no way. I prefer maturity at the QB position.



You can coach that. You're not going to get everything in a player too often. You have to ask yourself if that's a fixable problem or not. In my opinion, immaturity can be coached when it's like that.


I’ll pass. Give me Darnold or Rosen.
He seems like an immature jerk  
PatersonPlank : 11/18/2017 8:10 pm : link
Selecting someone with the top pick has a lot to do with character also
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arcarsenal : 11/18/2017 8:20 pm : link
Gotta take him off the draft board after today's outburst.

Last thing this team needs is another asshole like Odell Beckham.
RE: RE: Never start a land war in Asia,  
PatersonPlank : 11/18/2017 8:23 pm : link
In comment 13695963 Modus Operandi said:
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In comment 13695762 PatersonPlank said:


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and never draft a Big 12 QB with a top pick.



That line of thinking will get you fired as GM as you'd pass on a guy like Troy Aikmen.

You scout and draft the player, not the conference.


So to defend your position you need to go all the way back to Aikman, who by the way gained his draft status by finishing his career at UCLA. The fact is, and yes this needs to be considered as part of the puzzle, is that the Big 12 plays no defense. Many QB's have put up gaudy stats and then flopped in the NFL. The Big 12 is famous for putting out QBs' like BRandon Wheedon, Colt McCoy, Vince Young, and a slew of Texas Tech "fantasy number generators". You can not get a sense for what a QB can/can not do against that competition.
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Sean : 11/18/2017 8:29 pm : link
In comment 13696045 arcarsenal said:
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Gotta take him off the draft board after today's outburst.

Last thing this team needs is another asshole like Odell Beckham.


I’d much rather have Darnold or Rosen.
By the way, the only QB I can come up with to make an impact in the  
PatersonPlank : 11/18/2017 8:30 pm : link
NFL from the Big12 is Andy Dalton, who is ok. However for every "hit" there are probably 20 misses.
Man, Rosen really looks the part  
Sean : 11/18/2017 8:36 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: Did I see him grabbing his crotch taunting today?  
montanagiant : 11/18/2017 8:40 pm : link
In comment 13696038 Sean said:
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Yeah, no way. I prefer maturity at the QB position.



You can coach that. You're not going to get everything in a player too often. You have to ask yourself if that's a fixable problem or not. In my opinion, immaturity can be coached when it's like that.



I’ll pass. Give me Darnold or Rosen.

While the crotch grab was stupid what led to it was a real bad cheapshot by Kansas 2 secs after he threw a pass. On top of that at the coin toss, the Kansas players refused to shake his hand then a Kansas player got squared up with him and started talking shit.

I don't know if there is past bad blood but it was Kansas that initiated it and I don't blame him for getting mouthy with them after that cheapshot
RE: Man, Rosen really looks the part  
bw in dc : 11/18/2017 10:03 pm : link
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A lot to like. Very poised, stands tall in the pocket, and takes a hit. A real craftsman. And shows similarities to Peyton Manning, but a better arm.

RE: By the way, the only QB I can come up with to make an impact in the  
bw in dc : 11/18/2017 10:06 pm : link
In comment 13696061 PatersonPlank said:
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NFL from the Big12 is Andy Dalton, who is ok. However for every "hit" there are probably 20 misses.


Sam Bradford is actually really good, too. Just way too fragile.
Arrest tackle looked rough.  
madgiantscow009 : 11/18/2017 11:01 pm : link
Looks like on the edge of a pony wall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU1-1owT5KI

He could do a double crotch grab with Engram also.
RE: RE: RE: Never start a land war in Asia,  
GiantGrit : 11/18/2017 11:31 pm : link
In comment 13696048 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 13695762 PatersonPlank said:


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and never draft a Big 12 QB with a top pick.



That line of thinking will get you fired as GM as you'd pass on a guy like Troy Aikmen.

You scout and draft the player, not the conference.



So to defend your position you need to go all the way back to Aikman, who by the way gained his draft status by finishing his career at UCLA. The fact is, and yes this needs to be considered as part of the puzzle, is that the Big 12 plays no defense. Many QB's have put up gaudy stats and then flopped in the NFL. The Big 12 is famous for putting out QBs' like BRandon Wheedon, Colt McCoy, Vince Young, and a slew of Texas Tech "fantasy number generators". You can not get a sense for what a QB can/can not do against that competition.


...27/35 386 passing yards 3 td 0 int

That's his stat line against Ohio State in The Horseshoe this year. What about that competition? They put out some pretty good players.
RE: RE: RE: Never start a land war in Asia,  
Modus Operandi : 11/19/2017 2:06 pm : link
In comment 13696048 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 13695963 Modus Operandi said:


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In comment 13695762 PatersonPlank said:


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and never draft a Big 12 QB with a top pick.



That line of thinking will get you fired as GM as you'd pass on a guy like Troy Aikmen.

You scout and draft the player, not the conference.



So to defend your position you need to go all the way back to Aikman, who by the way gained his draft status by finishing his career at UCLA. The fact is, and yes this needs to be considered as part of the puzzle, is that the Big 12 plays no defense. Many QB's have put up gaudy stats and then flopped in the NFL. The Big 12 is famous for putting out QBs' like BRandon Wheedon, Colt McCoy, Vince Young, and a slew of Texas Tech "fantasy number generators". You can not get a sense for what a QB can/can not do against that competition.


I don't have to defend my position. Merely point out the inconsistencies in yours.

Discounting players because of the conference they play in is dumb. Whatsmore, the basis you use for discounting a viable Big 12 QB because the conference doesn't play defense, while simultaneously spending the entire season thus far routing Webb as the next coming isn't only dumb, it's borders on sycophantic.

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