Sadly, the most important game for Giants fans to watch this weekend is at 8PM tonight when Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen take the field in the same game.
I think we are all excited to see tonights game. As you said, sad this is what we have to excite us until the free agency and draft period in March and April.
Definitely watching this one tonight. Rosen is good but I see him more as a finished product than Darnold is. Rosen is 5-5 and that is not a record I want my QB to have coming out of college, I mean Eli played with inferior talent for 3 years at Ole Miss but he always had a winning record, Rosen could be 5-6 tomorrow.
RE: Are there no concerns with Darnold's turnovers?
Rosen is definitely the more refined quarterback. He was the most celebrated quarterback coming out of high school while Darnold was an under the radar prospect from San Clemente who only played a few years of football.Darnold is inexperienced and needs some work on his mechanics. Rosen throws the ball EXACTLY like most quarterbacks wish they did.
The guy had well over 500 TD passes too, even if he became
a diva later in his career. I would say that makes up
for 300+ picks. Darnold has dare I say, a little Eli
in him. I mean last game he played pretty well, but he is
running to the right, ball hits off his leg, he fumbles.
That is something Eli would do and has done.
Last week, Eli was bowling or playing cricket.
"I was trying to flip the ball..." To who exactly,
was he flipping the ball too, the ants, LOL.
Miami's starting RB, Travis Homer, gets the turnover chain
he recovered a Virginia muffed punt. The very next play, they score a TD. Homer was celebrating with the chain so he wasn't in on that play as the RB, but they scored anyway
about these two QB's after tonight's game. I haven't followed much college football lately and watch mostly highlight reels (not the best indication, i know).
Seems like both play out of a shotgun formation most of the time? At least in the highlight reels it seems.
Curious where people think Josh Allen from Wyoming will going the draft? It's not the most competitive conference in college football, but he seems to play a bit more under center than Darnold or Rosen. Big kid who can run when he has to. Looks a bit like Went (also from a smaller program). If Allen goes in round 2, would a trade down make sense for the Giants?
Had a massive game at Boise State, for example.....but you never know which Benkert will show up.
Just got pick sixed for a TD...exactly right about the talented but erratic. Virginia's outplayed Miami so far and deserves to be ahead but that pick six changes a lot
IMO, a great game to play before the championship game with Ohio State. Michigan's defense has the speed and power comparable with Ohio State and Wisc needed to deal with it before the championship game.
Its been a pleasure watching the evolution of Wisco LBers through the 90's to now. They seem like a LB factory now, considering they lost Watt and Cichy to IR.
He's from there, played there. Wisco has had a bit of coaching turnover losing Bielema and Anderson along with Aranda and Wilcox. They pull the most out of 3 star recruits than anybody.
that the Michigan contingent is once again quiet. Bunch of fair weather fans.
The better team won today. Really excited about this Badger team. One of the best things too is that they're young.
I would feel a lot better about this team is Hornibrook wasn't so inconsistent. He makes some NFL caliber throws but throws far too many picks for someone who throws the ball 15-20 times per game.
On November 25, 1995, Michigan faced Ohio State with the marque match-up of Michigan's Tim Biakabutuka, versus Ohio State's Eddie George.
Because of Biakabutuka's 313 on 37 carries in a 3123 victory over previously-unbeaten Ohio State, the Michigan star running back got the nod over Eddie George in the 1996 NFL Draft being selected #8 by Carolina. Eddie George went six picks later to the Houston Oilers at #14.
The rest is history. Tiakabutuka rushed for 2,530 years over a 5-year injury plagued career.
As for Eddie George... 8 years straight in which he never missed a game. Final career totals include 10,441 rushing yards, 268 receptions, 2,227 receiving yards, and 78 touchdowns (68 rushing and ten receiving).
On November 25, 1995, Michigan faced Ohio State with the marque match-up of Michigan's Tim Biakabutuka, versus Ohio State's Eddie George.
Because of Biakabutuka's 313 on 37 carries in a 3123 victory over previously-unbeaten Ohio State, the Michigan star running back got the nod over Eddie George in the 1996 NFL Draft being selected #8 by Carolina. Eddie George went six picks later to the Houston Oilers at #14.
The rest is history. Tiakabutuka rushed for 2,530 years over a 5-year injury plagued career.
As for Eddie George... 8 years straight in which he never missed a game. Final career totals include 10,441 rushing yards, 268 receptions, 2,227 receiving yards, and 78 touchdowns (68 rushing and ten receiving).
Always be cautionary with that..
I think when players are evenly matched, even if one is a little more polished looking, the key is to look at intangibles.
Accorsi would say Eli had some sort of magic, an ability to will his team from behind when he watched him... That's the sort of edge i'm looking for as it reveals character.
with the INT issues with Darnold. The FACTS are that Darnold has almost the identical number of passing attempts as Rosen. Rosen has 21 TD passes and 9 INT's and Darnold has 24 TD's and 11 INT's. Darnold has a 148 rating and Rosen a 143. Basically equal. You can throw in that UCLA' has an inferior team BUT you can also make the case that USC has played MUCH tougher opponents. To me, Darnold has a strong arm and excellent footwork in and out of the pocket. He also has incredible poise for such a young guy. Reminds me personality and poise wise alot like Eli. I would be happy with either although I do worry a little about Rosen's personality fitting in the NFL and in NY. I would take either one but for my money, I prefer Darnold. Looking forward to tonight's game!
Dan Marino threw five picks vs. Tennessee his senior year and was an interception machine throughout his career. Darnold is 20. Not the least bit worried about his turnovers.
I have to think they give Scott Frost whatever he wants to come back to Lincoln. Frost was the last Nebraska QB to lead them to a national title (1997 shared title with Michigan)
In the 1990s, Nebraska, FSU, Florida and Tennessee
won 7 of the decade's 10 national championships. Now, all of them will either replace their coaches (Tennessee, Florida, almost certainly Nebraska) or see their coaches on a very warm seat (FSU)
RE: In the 1990s, Nebraska, FSU, Florida and Tennessee
won 7 of the decade's 10 national championships. Now, all of them will either replace their coaches (Tennessee, Florida, almost certainly Nebraska) or see their coaches on a very warm seat (FSU)
Doubt Jimbo Fisher is on the warm/hot seat....lose your sophomore on the 1st week and then start a true frosh QB the rest of the year. It ain't pretty, but they'll be pretty good next year. Lots of youngsters on that team.
RE: RE: In the 1990s, Nebraska, FSU, Florida and Tennessee
won 7 of the decade's 10 national championships. Now, all of them will either replace their coaches (Tennessee, Florida, almost certainly Nebraska) or see their coaches on a very warm seat (FSU)
Doubt Jimbo Fisher is on the warm/hot seat....lose your sophomore on the 1st week and then start a true frosh QB the rest of the year. It ain't pretty, but they'll be pretty good next year. Lots of youngsters on that team.
Jimbo better beat Miami and put up at least 9-10 wins or he's in trouble. The national championship he won with Jameis gives him a reprieve this year but FSU will make a change if they think Miami will overrun them in Florida recruiting and start dominating the state
The announcers were glowing about Matfield after his last TD pass. They pan to him on the sideline and hes grabbing his crotch saying fuck you multiple times to the Kansas sideline.
The announcers were glowing about Matfield after his last TD pass. They pan to him on the sideline and hes grabbing his crotch saying fuck you multiple times to the Kansas sideline.
Like to see him plant the flag while grabbing his crotch.
No, you see if he can elevate the players around him, such as Eli did for Ole Miss. Also, you are scouting to see footwork, arm strength, and if the scouts have access to his practice and then watch him live during the game. You want to see if he can make the throws needed at the NFL level.
No, you see if he can elevate the players around him, such as Eli did for Ole Miss. Also, you are scouting to see footwork, arm strength, and if the scouts have access to his practice and then watch him live during the game. You want to see if he can make the throws needed at the NFL level.
Well Rosen is doing that...he's made 3 NFL caliber throws already
those are NFL throw;s not sure if the two receivers together didn't cause the in-completion throwing darts .
Whats with the brace was he injured recently ?
First time seeing him play and I'm impressed. Isn't the knock on him his work ethic or character or something like that? Because talent wise he looks like the real deal for sure.
RE: RE: RE: Keep in mind it'll be more difficult to evaluate Rosen
No, you see if he can elevate the players around him, such as Eli did for Ole Miss. Also, you are scouting to see footwork, arm strength, and if the scouts have access to his practice and then watch him live during the game. You want to see if he can make the throws needed at the NFL level.
Well Rosen is doing that...he's made 3 NFL caliber throws already
Yup! That's what scouts are looking at when they scout. I am watching him now and he can making those throws tonight. Great drive for a TD. I love how he threw his TE open on that play.
This guy is an NFL passer, plain and simple. There is 3-4 guys in the NFL who throw a better ball than him and he is only 20 years old. Perfect mechanics as well.
didn't shake hands cheap shots and Mayfield smoked them .
Don't blame him for dropping the FU not sure who the coach is but what a lousy display of sportsmanship .
The proverbial OBJ brought into the conversation people are
just ignorant .
didn't shake hands cheap shots and Mayfield smoked them .
Don't blame him for dropping the FU not sure who the coach is but what a lousy display of sportsmanship .
The proverbial OBJ brought into the conversation people are
just ignorant .
Mayfield just issued an apology regretting his actions
didn't shake hands cheap shots and Mayfield smoked them .
Don't blame him for dropping the FU not sure who the coach is but what a lousy display of sportsmanship .
The proverbial OBJ brought into the conversation people are
just ignorant .
is ridiculously accurate. He's already made at least three tremendously accurate passes. He has incredible anticipate and touch, as well as a strong arm. He also reads defenses well. He only lacks elite mobility. Assuming he does well in his interviews, his talent is enough to make him the #1 pick.
The problem for fans is that with USC running so well, there is little incentive for Darnold to throw much.
USC sends a rusher free off the left side that UCLA doesn't pick up. He doesn't run away from the defender. Stands in the pocket and hit his man who got the necessary yardage for the 1st down.
Would be a very fine consolation prize for us. Has better mobility than Rosen. May not have the tremendous deep ball that Rosen has but throws
a tight ball with good velocity.
I like both these guys. Wouldnt be upset with either of them one bit.
actually played against some tough defenses this year, just curious. They seem to sit back their like statues and the older NFL model that is under siege. How is their mobility?
RE: Fuck Kansas St
BigBlue4You09 : 8:42 pm : link : reply
In comment 13696102 Bluesbreaker said:
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didn't shake hands cheap shots and Mayfield smoked them .
Don't blame him for dropping the FU not sure who the coach is but what a lousy display of sportsmanship .
The proverbial OBJ brought into the conversation people are
just ignorant .
Mayfield just issued an apology regretting his actions
Kansas St would't shake at the beginning of the game
they also cheap took cheap shots on him . Then he beat them I don't blame him for being pissed and none of us knows what was being said to him when he said FU and grabbed his crotch .
actually played against some tough defenses this year, just curious. They seem to sit back their like statues and the older NFL model that is under siege. How is their mobility?
Both are good athletes. Darnold is probably faster than Rosen, but Rosen climbs the pocket well.
actually played against some tough defenses this year, just curious. They seem to sit back their like statues and the older NFL model that is under siege. How is their mobility?
RE: Fuck Kansas St
BigBlue4You09 : 8:42 pm : link : reply
In comment 13696102 Bluesbreaker said:
Quote:
didn't shake hands cheap shots and Mayfield smoked them .
Don't blame him for dropping the FU not sure who the coach is but what a lousy display of sportsmanship .
The proverbial OBJ brought into the conversation people are
just ignorant .
Mayfield just issued an apology regretting his actions
Kansas St would't shake at the beginning of the game
they also cheap took cheap shots on him . Then he beat them I don't blame him for being pissed and none of us knows what was being said to him when he said FU and grabbed his crotch .
I totally get why Mayfield did what he did. Not sure the Giants can take any more of that attitude though.
actually played against some tough defenses this year, just curious. They seem to sit back their like statues and the older NFL model that is under siege. How is their mobility?
actually played against some tough defenses this year, just curious. They seem to sit back their like statues and the older NFL model that is under siege. How is their mobility?
has had some injuries, but I doubt it's enough to scare any team. Looks at the way he's playing. I doubt his hijinks and comments will matter much either. My guess is that he'll be the #1 pick, but it's obviously a long way until April.
Needs to get a bit bigger though 218 ain't gonna cut it in the NFL. Hope that doesn't throw off his mechanics.
He's only 20 years old. And with Eli still in the fold, Rosen wouldn't have to take over the reins until 2019 or even 2020 (I'd love to see Eli play out the remainder of his current contract, assuming the Giants are playoff contenders). By then Rosen will be 23 and hopefully will have naturally added another 10-15 pounds to his frame to go along with the benefits gained from two years in an NFL weight-lifting program.
But if this game and this season continues as is for Rosen, there is no way he isn't the first pick in the draft, so the Giants will need to lose the rest of their games to have a shot at him. And I expect the Giants to have at least two or three more games in which they actually play up to their abilities and finish 3-13 or 4-12.
Pair him with Billy Price in round two, add a Pugh re-sign and a FA OG, and we might be in the playoffs next year with our future franchise QB on the bench. That would be sweet.
RE: Fuck Kansas St
BigBlue4You09 : 8:42 pm : link : reply
In comment 13696102 Bluesbreaker said:
Quote:
didn't shake hands cheap shots and Mayfield smoked them .
Don't blame him for dropping the FU not sure who the coach is but what a lousy display of sportsmanship .
The proverbial OBJ brought into the conversation people are
just ignorant .
Mayfield just issued an apology regretting his actions
Kansas St would't shake at the beginning of the game
they also cheap took cheap shots on him . Then he beat them I don't blame him for being pissed and none of us knows what was being said to him when he said FU and grabbed his crotch .
Did you watch it live? I did. He took a late hit early in the 1st quarter and this incident happened at the end of the third. He was on his sideline when the incident occurred, so Im not sure how much he could actually hear from the other sideline.
The Beckham mention is very relevant. Anyone who is pro Matfield but anti Beckham is a hypocrite.
Needs to get a bit bigger though 218 ain't gonna cut it in the NFL. Hope that doesn't throw off his mechanics.
He's only 20 years old. And with Eli still in the fold, Rosen wouldn't have to take over the reins until 2019 or even 2020 (I'd love to see Eli play out the remainder of his current contract, assuming the Giants are playoff contenders). By then Rosen will be 23 and hopefully will have naturally added another 10-15 pounds to his frame to go along with the benefits gained from two years in an NFL weight-lifting program.
But if this game and this season continues as is for Rosen, there is no way he isn't the first pick in the draft, so the Giants will need to lose the rest of their games to have a shot at him. And I expect the Giants to have at least two or three more games in which they actually play up to their abilities and finish 3-13 or 4-12.
No way this team wins 4 games. Winning even one more will be a challenge.
RE: RE: Thats Fine he showed respect in admitting it
RE: Fuck Kansas St
BigBlue4You09 : 8:42 pm : link : reply
In comment 13696102 Bluesbreaker said:
Quote:
didn't shake hands cheap shots and Mayfield smoked them .
Don't blame him for dropping the FU not sure who the coach is but what a lousy display of sportsmanship .
The proverbial OBJ brought into the conversation people are
just ignorant .
Mayfield just issued an apology regretting his actions
Kansas St would't shake at the beginning of the game
they also cheap took cheap shots on him . Then he beat them I don't blame him for being pissed and none of us knows what was being said to him when he said FU and grabbed his crotch .
Did you watch it live? I did. He took a late hit early in the 1st quarter and this incident happened at the end of the third. He was on his sideline when the incident occurred, so Im not sure how much he could actually hear from the other sideline.
The Beckham mention is very relevant. Anyone who is pro Matfield but anti Beckham is a hypocrite.
Very true, but it takes on a bit of a different tone when it is your qb. Just the name of the game.
Needs to get a bit bigger though 218 ain't gonna cut it in the NFL. Hope that doesn't throw off his mechanics.
He's only 20 years old. And with Eli still in the fold, Rosen wouldn't have to take over the reins until 2019 or even 2020 (I'd love to see Eli play out the remainder of his current contract, assuming the Giants are playoff contenders). By then Rosen will be 23 and hopefully will have naturally added another 10-15 pounds to his frame to go along with the benefits gained from two years in an NFL weight-lifting program.
But if this game and this season continues as is for Rosen, there is no way he isn't the first pick in the draft, so the Giants will need to lose the rest of their games to have a shot at him. And I expect the Giants to have at least two or three more games in which they actually play up to their abilities and finish 3-13 or 4-12.
Ok. But what's that got to do with my point about his mechanics?
Even adding 15 pounds can throw everything out of wack. I'm not saying it will but he's clearly a naturally skinny guy whose durability could come into question from taking punishment from pros.
can be classified as a nationalism in the right light.
I personally am an atheist Jew (don't feel like getting into on a football thread), but ya know how you get all patriotic and root for Team USA? I do that too, but with Jews as well. There's only a handful of successful jewish athletes.
If the Giants can afford someone with the brash personality of Rosen or Mayfield. NY has a history of eating up guys like that. It's one of the reasons I always thought Eli was a perfect NY QB.
I'd go Darnold all day and 2x on Sunday and let him have his developmental 2018 behind ELI.
If the Giants can afford someone with the brash personality of Rosen or Mayfield. NY has a history of eating up guys like that. It's one of the reasons I always thought Eli was a perfect NY QB.
I'd go Darnold all day and 2x on Sunday and let him have his developmental 2018 behind ELI.
Not sure I would say Rosen is brash in the same way that Mayfield is.
Judaism can be thought of as being simultaneously a religion, a nationality and a culture.
Throughout the middle ages and into the 20th century, most of the European world agreed that Jews constituted a distinct nation. This concept of nation does not require that a nation have either a territory nor a government, but rather, it identifies, as a nation any distinct group of people with a common language and culture. Only in the 19th century did it become common to assume that each nation should have its own distinct government; this is the political philosophy of nationalism. In fact, Jews had a remarkable degree of self-government until the 19th century. So long as Jews lived in their ghettos, they were allowed to collect their own taxes, run their own courts, and otherwise behave as citizens of a landless and distinctly second-class Jewish nation.
Of course, Judaism is a religion, and it is this religion that forms the central element of the Jewish culture that binds Jews together as a nation. It is the religion that defines foods as being kosher and non-kosher, and this underlies Jewish cuisine. It is the religion that sets the calendar of Jewish feast and fast days, and it is the religion that has preserved the Hebrew language.
Is Judaism an ethnicity? In short, not any more. Although Judaism arose out of a single ethnicity in the Middle East, there have always been conversions into and out of the religion. Thus, there are those who may have been ethnically part of the original group who are no longer part of Judaism, and those of other ethnic groups who have converted into Judaism.
If you are referring to a nation in the sense of race, Judaism is not a nation. People are free to convert into Judaism; once converted, they are considered the same as if they were born Jewish. This is not true for a race.
If the Giants can afford someone with the brash personality of Rosen or Mayfield. NY has a history of eating up guys like that. It's one of the reasons I always thought Eli was a perfect NY QB.
I'd go Darnold all day and 2x on Sunday and let him have his developmental 2018 behind ELI.
Agreed, if the Giants have the #1 pick I would be surprised if Darnold wasn't the pick.
I tell ya, both look to be the real deal. Rosen reminds me of Matt Ryan, Darnold looks like Andrew Luck. I'd be happy with either, but if I had to choose lean toward Darnold based on his mobility.
If the Giants can afford someone with the brash personality of Rosen or Mayfield. NY has a history of eating up guys like that. It's one of the reasons I always thought Eli was a perfect NY QB.
I'd go Darnold all day and 2x on Sunday and let him have his developmental 2018 behind ELI.
Agreed, if the Giants have the #1 pick I would be surprised if Darnold wasn't the pick.
He looks more NFL, instead of the next Jeff George.
has better arm talent and pure QB ability in my opinion.
Darnold's mobility is not good enough to make up for that (altohugh he's a pretty good pocket QB as well). He has Mark Sanchez/Ryan Fitzpatrick level mobility, not Prescott/Rodgers type mobility.
With his poise in the pocket, fearless to take hits and always keeping his eyes down the field looking for the open guy. But wth a different arm, his arm is more similar to Rodgers, he is more accurate and hits guys in stride impressively. I want this kid to be eh next Giant QB, if that means we need to trade up a spot or two, I hope they consider it. Kid is the most sure thing among all these college QBs IMO.
Both these guys have potential to be the real deal. I see the argument about Darnold needing another year. Wonder if sitting behind Eli for a year would help.
That being said, these defenses are playing much faster and have more pro potential than some of the B12 joke defenses. Especially USC.
SO Rosen is playing relatively well, while Darnold is slightly behind. Plus, Darnold has better talent around him.
But if anyone thinks any of these guys are plug and play at the next level you're outta your gourd. They're all projects to a point.
Mayfield looks good but I cant help but think hes one of these guys thats a beast in college but sucks in the pros. Its like he could be Brees at the next level or he could be Colt McCoy.
That being said, these defenses are playing much faster and have more pro potential than some of the B12 joke defenses. Especially USC.
SO Rosen is playing relatively well, while Darnold is slightly behind. Plus, Darnold has better talent around him.
But if anyone thinks any of these guys are plug and play at the next level you're outta your gourd. They're all projects to a point.
Mayfield looks good but I cant help but think hes one of these guys thats a beast in college but sucks in the pros. Its like he could be Brees at the next level or he could be Colt McCoy.
Could be. It's a shame that there's no clear cut #1 or #2 pick The year that the Giants suck the big white mint. Figures.
I'm not crazy impressed with any of these guys.
If Reese is retained he'll probably pick Chubb anyways.
Get a head coach who likes to throw deep with either of these guys
That's going to be key where every they go at the top.
The deep ball and downfield passing is their biggest strength.
But I can see a team taking them and breaking them down and making them play in this 6 yard, quick throw, quick slant offense where they are being restricted and thus, never reach their full potential.
Don't underestimate the amount of bad coaching that exists in the NFL.
If Rosen is going to succeed he needs a good OL in today's NFL. I like that he stands tall in the pocket but OLs are just not good. There are few OPs in todays NFL that can give Rosen the pocket he needs to succeed. He does a lot of things well though.
I love Darnold's ability to buy time but there is so much he needs to learn like taking a snap under center, working on his drops frok under center, calling a play, etc. The potential is there but he definitely needs another year in college.
To me, I will roll the dice with Webb. I think he is a great combination of both of these QBs in terms of standing tall in the pocket, having a big arm, and being able to buy time when needed. I like Webb's upside.
If Rosen is going to succeed he needs a good OL in today's NFL. I like that he stands tall in the pocket but OLs are just not good. There are few OPs in todays NFL that can give Rosen the pocket he needs to succeed. He does a lot of things well though.
I love Darnold's ability to buy time but there is so much he needs to learn like taking a snap under center, working on his drops frok under center, calling a play, etc. The potential is there but he definitely needs another year in college.
To me, I will roll the dice with Webb. I think he is a great combination of both of these QBs in terms of standing tall in the pocket, having a big arm, and being able to buy time when needed. I like Webb's upside.
Excellent analysis. The proliferation of spread offenses in college is destroying OL play in the NFL. None of these guys is guaranteed success. The NFL graveyard is littered with first round QBs who never amounted to anything.
But whether to a first round pick on a QB is the most important decision for the Giants since the trade for Eli. The likelihood of that happening increases with a new regime.
He is with what he is going against though. The LT just blew his assignment and gave him a free trip untouched to the QB, and that wasnt the first time hes done it this game.
RE: There is no way the Giants are not picking a QB
I never said the Giants arent picking a QB because of Webb. I said I am not thrilled with either guy right now. Big difference. I am not drafting a QB just to draft a QB.
Rosen appears to be the type of guy who would complete 65% of his passes because of his natural ability as an accurate passer as opposed to being a "system QB" where the kind of throws that are given artificially inflates the numbers.
BTW...there is an incredible talent gap with these two teams. How the hell is this game this close right now?
Rosen appears to be the type of guy who would complete 65% of his passes because of his natural ability as an accurate passer as opposed to being a "system QB" where the kind of throws that are given artificially inflates the numbers.
BTW...there is an incredible talent gap with these two teams. How the hell is this game this close right now?
And he is so poised while doing it all. Really impressed me in this game
If Rosen looks this good throwing to this #2 WR on their team
The recruiting services demonstrate the quality of athletes that UCLA has consistently brought in, alongside Rosen, however the Bruins are in real danger of ending this season with a losing record. In fact, if UCLA drops their next game it would mark the first consecutive season of losing records in multiple decades. Rosen presided over each....concerning to say the least
RE: Very concerning that Rosen is a loser alongside good talent...
The recruiting services demonstrate the quality of athletes that UCLA has consistently brought in, alongside Rosen, however the Bruins are in real danger of ending this season with a losing record. In fact, if UCLA drops their next game it would mark the first consecutive season of losing records in multiple decades. Rosen presided over each....concerning to say the least
I completely disagree. There was an obvious talent differential in this game tonight and the one factor that gave UCLA any chance was Rosen. Rating a signing class without taking into account how they ended up is a bit misleading IMO
Rosen is far ahead of Darnold at this juncture. He has lots more experience at the position and makes his reads and decisions much faster. As I stated before the game, Rosen throws the ball the way most NFL quarterbacks wished they could. Darnold is more athletic,durable, and from what I read,more coachable. A year behind Eli would be wonderful. Rosen could come in and start,if needed.
For those who are unimpressed with both,these two quarterbacks are much better prospects then any quarterback in last year's draft. Josh Rosen would be a top 5 pick in any draft.
Rosen is far ahead of Darnold at this juncture. He has lots more experience at the position and makes his reads and decisions much faster. As I stated before the game, Rosen throws the ball the way most NFL quarterbacks wished they could. Darnold is more athletic,durable, and from what I read,more coachable. A year behind Eli would be wonderful. Rosen could come in and start,if needed.
For those who are unimpressed with both,these two quarterbacks are much better prospects then any quarterback in last year's draft. Josh Rosen would be a top 5 pick in any draft.
The recruiting services demonstrate the quality of athletes that UCLA has consistently brought in, alongside Rosen, however the Bruins are in real danger of ending this season with a losing record. In fact, if UCLA drops their next game it would mark the first consecutive season of losing records in multiple decades. Rosen presided over each....concerning to say the least
Their defense is a joke. And Mora's likely to get canned.
If Rosen is going to succeed he needs a good OL in today's NFL. I like that he stands tall in the pocket but OLs are just not good. There are few OPs in todays NFL that can give Rosen the pocket he needs to succeed. He does a lot of things well though.
I love Darnold's ability to buy time but there is so much he needs to learn like taking a snap under center, working on his drops frok under center, calling a play, etc. The potential is there but he definitely needs another year in college.
To me, I will roll the dice with Webb. I think he is a great combination of both of these QBs in terms of standing tall in the pocket, having a big arm, and being able to buy time when needed. I like Webb's upside.
Although Id like to see Webb in action first, I could get behind this. Id try to bring in a few OL via free agency and draft the RB with my first pick.
RE: Very concerning that Rosen is a loser alongside good talent...
The recruiting services demonstrate the quality of athletes that UCLA has consistently brought in, alongside Rosen, however the Bruins are in real danger of ending this season with a losing record. In fact, if UCLA drops their next game it would mark the first consecutive season of losing records in multiple decades. Rosen presided over each....concerning to say the least
UCLA's defense gives up 300 yards a game on the ground. It's amazing they even have 5 wins. I have not watched all of UCLA's games, but if you go back to the first game of the season again Texas A&M (the 34pt comeback game) you'll see how Rosen has been overcoming the weaknesses of what is a very incomplete football team.
having Rosen the face of the NY Football Giants for 10 years
The recruiting services demonstrate the quality of athletes that UCLA has consistently brought in, alongside Rosen, however the Bruins are in real danger of ending this season with a losing record. In fact, if UCLA drops their next game it would mark the first consecutive season of losing records in multiple decades. Rosen presided over each....concerning to say the least
I'd be careful equating talent with recruiting rankings.
The recruiting services demonstrate the quality of athletes that UCLA has consistently brought in, alongside Rosen, however the Bruins are in real danger of ending this season with a losing record. In fact, if UCLA drops their next game it would mark the first consecutive season of losing records in multiple decades. Rosen presided over each....concerning to say the least
I completely disagree. There was an obvious talent differential in this game tonight and the one factor that gave UCLA any chance was Rosen. Rating a signing class without taking into account how they ended up is a bit misleading IMO
Sure, we could view UCLAs talent within the context of their competition- the P12 South or the broader P12. Im a fan of a particular P12 South school, not located within the state of California, so Im familiar with the talent levels typical at each school. The perception of UCLA has been that its a place where great talent goes to languish in mediocrity. Its probably an indictment of Mora more than anything else but other than USC and perhaps Washington, any team in the conference would gladly take the talent that UCLA brings in every year. Youre just not going to convince any fans of ASU, Arizona, Colorado, or Utah that their talent is in the same zip code as UCLA. Not to mention the perennial bottom feeders in the North. Simply put, Rosen is typically throwing to, getting blocked for, and handing the ball off to better athletes than his counterparts on any given Saturday.
My opinion is that Rosen is a legitimate 1st Rounder
Outside of him, when all is said and done in my opinion, I think its possible that the others aren't even considered 1st rounders. If we don't get Rosen I would rather get Barkley in Rd 1 and then cross our fingers/toes for the OT from Texas, the OT from ND, or the G in the ND high in the 2nd. I could live with Rosen even though we have Webb, even though I still don't like spending top picks in back to back drafts on a QB who will just do nothing but sit. We have a lot of holes
RE: RE: Very concerning that Rosen is a loser alongside good talent...
The recruiting services demonstrate the quality of athletes that UCLA has consistently brought in, alongside Rosen, however the Bruins are in real danger of ending this season with a losing record. In fact, if UCLA drops their next game it would mark the first consecutive season of losing records in multiple decades. Rosen presided over each....concerning to say the least
I'd be careful equating talent with recruiting rankings.
Recruiting rankings are clearly not the end all, be all...otherwise the championships would be awarded each February (although many fan bases make it seem that way)...but I dont think anyone would suggest that there is not a strong correlation between recruiting rankings and results. At the end of the day, if a particular school is filling their roster with players that chose that particular institution over many others that have offered (a huge input into the rankings) then its intuitive to expect that school to have better talent.
Might deserve its own thread, but UCLA fires Mora Jr
Crap... sorry .... missed that...
I intended this thread to be all the games too so I'll keep this one up. My apologies.
Brett Farve says nah
Their QB is off to an unreal start. UVA playing out of their skull right now
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The guy had well over 500 TD passes too, even if he became
a diva later in his career. I would say that makes up
for 300+ picks. Darnold has dare I say, a little Eli
in him. I mean last game he played pretty well, but he is
running to the right, ball hits off his leg, he fumbles.
That is something Eli would do and has done.
Last week, Eli was bowling or playing cricket.
"I was trying to flip the ball..." To who exactly,
was he flipping the ball too, the ants, LOL.
Sometimes he looks like Kerry Collins handling the ball.
Seems like both play out of a shotgun formation most of the time? At least in the highlight reels it seems.
Curious where people think Josh Allen from Wyoming will going the draft? It's not the most competitive conference in college football, but he seems to play a bit more under center than Darnold or Rosen. Big kid who can run when he has to. Looks a bit like Went (also from a smaller program). If Allen goes in round 2, would a trade down make sense for the Giants?
This Benkert is playing the game of his life. He looks like Joe Montana out there
Wow
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They're up 21-14 already. This could be a big upset...
This Benkert is playing the game of his life. He looks like Joe Montana out there
Absolutely beautiful throws. The one before the half looked like Eli circa 2011.
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They're up 21-14 already. This could be a big upset...
This Benkert is playing the game of his life. He looks like Joe Montana out there
Absolutely beautiful throws. The one before the half looked like Eli circa 2011.
He normally isn't any good at all, that's the baffling thing
Miami destroyed Josh Jackson (VT)
Miami destroyed Brandon Wimbush (ND)
But someone like Benkert lights them up
Just got pick sixed for a TD...exactly right about the talented but erratic. Virginia's outplayed Miami so far and deserves to be ahead but that pick six changes a lot
Its been a pleasure watching the evolution of Wisco LBers through the 90's to now. They seem like a LB factory now, considering they lost Watt and Cichy to IR.
The better team won today. Really excited about this Badger team. One of the best things too is that they're young.
I would feel a lot better about this team is Hornibrook wasn't so inconsistent. He makes some NFL caliber throws but throws far too many picks for someone who throws the ball 15-20 times per game.
On November 25, 1995, Michigan faced Ohio State with the marque match-up of Michigan's Tim Biakabutuka, versus Ohio State's Eddie George.
Because of Biakabutuka's 313 on 37 carries in a 3123 victory over previously-unbeaten Ohio State, the Michigan star running back got the nod over Eddie George in the 1996 NFL Draft being selected #8 by Carolina. Eddie George went six picks later to the Houston Oilers at #14.
The rest is history. Tiakabutuka rushed for 2,530 years over a 5-year injury plagued career.
As for Eddie George... 8 years straight in which he never missed a game. Final career totals include 10,441 rushing yards, 268 receptions, 2,227 receiving yards, and 78 touchdowns (68 rushing and ten receiving).
On November 25, 1995, Michigan faced Ohio State with the marque match-up of Michigan's Tim Biakabutuka, versus Ohio State's Eddie George.
Because of Biakabutuka's 313 on 37 carries in a 3123 victory over previously-unbeaten Ohio State, the Michigan star running back got the nod over Eddie George in the 1996 NFL Draft being selected #8 by Carolina. Eddie George went six picks later to the Houston Oilers at #14.
The rest is history. Tiakabutuka rushed for 2,530 years over a 5-year injury plagued career.
As for Eddie George... 8 years straight in which he never missed a game. Final career totals include 10,441 rushing yards, 268 receptions, 2,227 receiving yards, and 78 touchdowns (68 rushing and ten receiving).
Always be cautionary with that..
I think when players are evenly matched, even if one is a little more polished looking, the key is to look at intangibles.
Accorsi would say Eli had some sort of magic, an ability to will his team from behind when he watched him... That's the sort of edge i'm looking for as it reveals character.
Dan Marino threw five picks vs. Tennessee his senior year and was an interception machine throughout his career. Darnold is 20. Not the least bit worried about his turnovers.
I'd love to see Giants grab Barkley in 1st and Mayfield in the 2nd. Similar to when SD drafted Tomlinson and Brees.
Now they can't recruit
Are constantly switching coaches
Have no natural rivals (Oklahoma, Texas and Colorado aren't in the B1G)
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ND with horrendous tackling against the option. Navy's runners cannot be that strong that ND cannot tackle them.
Doubt Jimbo Fisher is on the warm/hot seat....lose your sophomore on the 1st week and then start a true frosh QB the rest of the year. It ain't pretty, but they'll be pretty good next year. Lots of youngsters on that team.
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Doubt Jimbo Fisher is on the warm/hot seat....lose your sophomore on the 1st week and then start a true frosh QB the rest of the year. It ain't pretty, but they'll be pretty good next year. Lots of youngsters on that team.
Jimbo better beat Miami and put up at least 9-10 wins or he's in trouble. The national championship he won with Jameis gives him a reprieve this year but FSU will make a change if they think Miami will overrun them in Florida recruiting and start dominating the state
@ Miami
@ ND
@ Louisville
@ NC State
Virginia Tech
A little hypocritical of you being so pro Mayfield and anti Beckham.
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A little hypocritical of you being so pro Mayfield and anti Beckham.
Never saw Beckham grab his crotch and scream FU over and over on the sidelines.
Hypocritical indeed.
Like to see him plant the flag while grabbing his crotch.
Yeah, was nice.
ABC
Chiefs will probably use that one tomorrow and it will go for a TD.
Unless they were trying to take or outsmart USC.
The accuracy he has downfield is sick.
No, you see if he can elevate the players around him, such as Eli did for Ole Miss. Also, you are scouting to see footwork, arm strength, and if the scouts have access to his practice and then watch him live during the game. You want to see if he can make the throws needed at the NFL level.
Uh. What?
Touch like that in a QB is rare and shows potential for elite play.
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No, you see if he can elevate the players around him, such as Eli did for Ole Miss. Also, you are scouting to see footwork, arm strength, and if the scouts have access to his practice and then watch him live during the game. You want to see if he can make the throws needed at the NFL level.
Well Rosen is doing that...he's made 3 NFL caliber throws already
His jersey sales will be fire next year if he's a Giant.
Whats with the brace was he injured recently ?
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since his team is a lot worse than Darnold's
No, you see if he can elevate the players around him, such as Eli did for Ole Miss. Also, you are scouting to see footwork, arm strength, and if the scouts have access to his practice and then watch him live during the game. You want to see if he can make the throws needed at the NFL level.
Well Rosen is doing that...he's made 3 NFL caliber throws already
Yup! That's what scouts are looking at when they scout. I am watching him now and he can making those throws tonight. Great drive for a TD. I love how he threw his TE open on that play.
Don't blame him for dropping the FU not sure who the coach is but what a lousy display of sportsmanship .
The proverbial OBJ brought into the conversation people are
just ignorant .
Jim Mora is a defensive genius.
Don't blame him for dropping the FU not sure who the coach is but what a lousy display of sportsmanship .
The proverbial OBJ brought into the conversation people are
just ignorant .
Mayfield just issued an apology regretting his actions
And so is their defense apparently.
Don't blame him for dropping the FU not sure who the coach is but what a lousy display of sportsmanship .
The proverbial OBJ brought into the conversation people are
just ignorant .
Kansas.
Or is UCLA'S run defense just that horrible. They give up over 300 yards a game.
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The problem for fans is that with USC running so well, there is little incentive for Darnold to throw much.
Impressive.
Browns could pick Barkely. Try to pair Kizor with a stud RB, and try to build something.
Great play.
Why would either want to go to Cleveland? They should absolutely force their way elsewhere.
a tight ball with good velocity.
I like both these guys. Wouldnt be upset with either of them one bit.
What?
Not to mention the 50 yarder that was called back
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Browns could pick Barkely. Try to pair Kizor with a stud RB, and try to build something.
From your lips to the ears of Sashi Brown, Paul DePodesta, and Jimmy Harlan.
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Rosen isone ugly mofo. But the millions he's about to make will have his suitors color blind.
I hear you. I started the season high on Rosen, and am now back to where I started. That arm!
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didn't shake hands cheap shots and Mayfield smoked them .
Don't blame him for dropping the FU not sure who the coach is but what a lousy display of sportsmanship .
The proverbial OBJ brought into the conversation people are
just ignorant .
Mayfield just issued an apology regretting his actions
Kansas St would't shake at the beginning of the game
they also cheap took cheap shots on him . Then he beat them I don't blame him for being pissed and none of us knows what was being said to him when he said FU and grabbed his crotch .
Both are good athletes. Darnold is probably faster than Rosen, but Rosen climbs the pocket well.
Rosen led a 34 point comeback against Texas A&M
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didn't shake hands cheap shots and Mayfield smoked them .
Don't blame him for dropping the FU not sure who the coach is but what a lousy display of sportsmanship .
The proverbial OBJ brought into the conversation people are
just ignorant .
Mayfield just issued an apology regretting his actions
Kansas St would't shake at the beginning of the game
they also cheap took cheap shots on him . Then he beat them I don't blame him for being pissed and none of us knows what was being said to him when he said FU and grabbed his crotch .
I totally get why Mayfield did what he did. Not sure the Giants can take any more of that attitude though.
he can damn sure wing it but give me Barkley at this point .
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His jersey sales will be fire next year if he's a Giant.
I thought he was not Jewish
Darnold has more mobility.
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Rosen led a 34 point comeback against Texas A&M
That was incredible
But if this game and this season continues as is for Rosen, there is no way he isn't the first pick in the draft, so the Giants will need to lose the rest of their games to have a shot at him. And I expect the Giants to have at least two or three more games in which they actually play up to their abilities and finish 3-13 or 4-12.
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didn't shake hands cheap shots and Mayfield smoked them .
Don't blame him for dropping the FU not sure who the coach is but what a lousy display of sportsmanship .
The proverbial OBJ brought into the conversation people are
just ignorant .
Mayfield just issued an apology regretting his actions
Kansas St would't shake at the beginning of the game
they also cheap took cheap shots on him . Then he beat them I don't blame him for being pissed and none of us knows what was being said to him when he said FU and grabbed his crotch .
Did you watch it live? I did. He took a late hit early in the 1st quarter and this incident happened at the end of the third. He was on his sideline when the incident occurred, so Im not sure how much he could actually hear from the other sideline.
The Beckham mention is very relevant. Anyone who is pro Matfield but anti Beckham is a hypocrite.
I get it. Should a Catholic person want a Catholic QB?
Just a weird thing to root for.
I would like an agnostic QB. That would be ideal!
I mean wtf.
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I get it. Should a Catholic person want a Catholic QB?
Just a weird thing to root for.
I would like an agnostic QB. That would be ideal!
I mean wtf.
Not sure I care what religion or ethnicity his arm is. He'll wear blue right?
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Needs to get a bit bigger though 218 ain't gonna cut it in the NFL. Hope that doesn't throw off his mechanics.
He's only 20 years old. And with Eli still in the fold, Rosen wouldn't have to take over the reins until 2019 or even 2020 (I'd love to see Eli play out the remainder of his current contract, assuming the Giants are playoff contenders). By then Rosen will be 23 and hopefully will have naturally added another 10-15 pounds to his frame to go along with the benefits gained from two years in an NFL weight-lifting program.
But if this game and this season continues as is for Rosen, there is no way he isn't the first pick in the draft, so the Giants will need to lose the rest of their games to have a shot at him. And I expect the Giants to have at least two or three more games in which they actually play up to their abilities and finish 3-13 or 4-12.
No way this team wins 4 games. Winning even one more will be a challenge.
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didn't shake hands cheap shots and Mayfield smoked them .
Don't blame him for dropping the FU not sure who the coach is but what a lousy display of sportsmanship .
The proverbial OBJ brought into the conversation people are
just ignorant .
Mayfield just issued an apology regretting his actions
Kansas St would't shake at the beginning of the game
they also cheap took cheap shots on him . Then he beat them I don't blame him for being pissed and none of us knows what was being said to him when he said FU and grabbed his crotch .
Did you watch it live? I did. He took a late hit early in the 1st quarter and this incident happened at the end of the third. He was on his sideline when the incident occurred, so Im not sure how much he could actually hear from the other sideline.
The Beckham mention is very relevant. Anyone who is pro Matfield but anti Beckham is a hypocrite.
Very true, but it takes on a bit of a different tone when it is your qb. Just the name of the game.
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Needs to get a bit bigger though 218 ain't gonna cut it in the NFL. Hope that doesn't throw off his mechanics.
He's only 20 years old. And with Eli still in the fold, Rosen wouldn't have to take over the reins until 2019 or even 2020 (I'd love to see Eli play out the remainder of his current contract, assuming the Giants are playoff contenders). By then Rosen will be 23 and hopefully will have naturally added another 10-15 pounds to his frame to go along with the benefits gained from two years in an NFL weight-lifting program.
But if this game and this season continues as is for Rosen, there is no way he isn't the first pick in the draft, so the Giants will need to lose the rest of their games to have a shot at him. And I expect the Giants to have at least two or three more games in which they actually play up to their abilities and finish 3-13 or 4-12.
Ok. But what's that got to do with my point about his mechanics?
Even adding 15 pounds can throw everything out of wack. I'm not saying it will but he's clearly a naturally skinny guy whose durability could come into question from taking punishment from pros.
Sign me up.
I personally am an atheist Jew (don't feel like getting into on a football thread), but ya know how you get all patriotic and root for Team USA? I do that too, but with Jews as well. There's only a handful of successful jewish athletes.
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and would love a jewish player to root for. It's pretty simple lol
I get it. Should a Catholic person want a Catholic QB?
Just a weird thing to root for.
I would like an agnostic QB. That would be ideal!
I mean wtf.
Not sure I care what religion or ethnicity his arm is. He'll wear blue right?
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I'd go Darnold all day and 2x on Sunday and let him have his developmental 2018 behind ELI.
I'd go Darnold all day and 2x on Sunday and let him have his developmental 2018 behind ELI.
Not sure I would say Rosen is brash in the same way that Mayfield is.
Left knee might be down...
Judaism can be thought of as being simultaneously a religion, a nationality and a culture.
Throughout the middle ages and into the 20th century, most of the European world agreed that Jews constituted a distinct nation. This concept of nation does not require that a nation have either a territory nor a government, but rather, it identifies, as a nation any distinct group of people with a common language and culture. Only in the 19th century did it become common to assume that each nation should have its own distinct government; this is the political philosophy of nationalism. In fact, Jews had a remarkable degree of self-government until the 19th century. So long as Jews lived in their ghettos, they were allowed to collect their own taxes, run their own courts, and otherwise behave as citizens of a landless and distinctly second-class Jewish nation.
Of course, Judaism is a religion, and it is this religion that forms the central element of the Jewish culture that binds Jews together as a nation. It is the religion that defines foods as being kosher and non-kosher, and this underlies Jewish cuisine. It is the religion that sets the calendar of Jewish feast and fast days, and it is the religion that has preserved the Hebrew language.
Is Judaism an ethnicity? In short, not any more. Although Judaism arose out of a single ethnicity in the Middle East, there have always been conversions into and out of the religion. Thus, there are those who may have been ethnically part of the original group who are no longer part of Judaism, and those of other ethnic groups who have converted into Judaism.
If you are referring to a nation in the sense of race, Judaism is not a nation. People are free to convert into Judaism; once converted, they are considered the same as if they were born Jewish. This is not true for a race.
I'd go Darnold all day and 2x on Sunday and let him have his developmental 2018 behind ELI.
Agreed, if the Giants have the #1 pick I would be surprised if Darnold wasn't the pick.
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If the Giants can afford someone with the brash personality of Rosen or Mayfield. NY has a history of eating up guys like that. It's one of the reasons I always thought Eli was a perfect NY QB.
I'd go Darnold all day and 2x on Sunday and let him have his developmental 2018 behind ELI.
Agreed, if the Giants have the #1 pick I would be surprised if Darnold wasn't the pick.
He looks more NFL, instead of the next Jeff George.
I like the mobility
Reminds me of Eli.
Goofy fumbling indeed
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Ball control is his issue though.
I like the mobility
Yeah its the combination of the two. Darnold has some polishing he needs to his overall game but hes got the goods.
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head first. Good mobility though.
Reminds me of Eli.
Goofy fumbling indeed
Didn't eli try sliding and on the way down fumble? It was against the Eagles I believe.
Darnold's mobility is not good enough to make up for that (altohugh he's a pretty good pocket QB as well). He has Mark Sanchez/Ryan Fitzpatrick level mobility, not Prescott/Rodgers type mobility.
I'd rather have the pocket passer
or Eli. what's the fucking difference.
Have you not noticed the QB we have on Sunday's?
I mean, the man did play bowling with the football just last week.
Anyone you actually like?
No one really knows for sure. Just know that and it's fine.
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Anyone you actually like?
Id rank them
Rosen
Rudolph
Mayfield
Darnold
Jackson
But thats just my opinion obviously. Rosen looks really good just seems like an injury risk.
Panicky throw. Ugly.
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head first. Good mobility though.
Reminds me of Eli.
Goofy fumbling indeed
Didn't eli try sliding and on the way down fumble? It was against the Eagles I believe.
Yes. He also did it two years in a row against the Eagles on Sunday night. 2009 AND 2010
If he's focused and dedicated, puts on 5-10 lbs of muscle, I don't see how he doesn't go #1. Plus I doubt Darnold comes out.
If he's focused and dedicated, puts on 5-10 lbs of muscle, I don't see how he doesn't go #1. Plus I doubt Darnold comes out.
Yep plus Rosen is facing a decent defense while Darnold is facing one of the worst defenses in college football.
Maybe hell stay another year now too?
This UCLA offensive line is really not that good when you watch them. He is clearly playing with inferior talent around him compared to USC.
Darnold does seem to have a bunch of Eli type tendencies out there good and bad. Not sure what to make of this.
Fantastic throw by Darnold.
But QBs have been extremely impressive. These are young men on a national stage playing at an NFL level.
SO Rosen is playing relatively well, while Darnold is slightly behind. Plus, Darnold has better talent around him.
But if anyone thinks any of these guys are plug and play at the next level you're outta your gourd. They're all projects to a point.
SO Rosen is playing relatively well, while Darnold is slightly behind. Plus, Darnold has better talent around him.
But if anyone thinks any of these guys are plug and play at the next level you're outta your gourd. They're all projects to a point.
Mayfield looks good but I cant help but think hes one of these guys thats a beast in college but sucks in the pros. Its like he could be Brees at the next level or he could be Colt McCoy.
Update your iPhone bro.
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That being said, these defenses are playing much faster and have more pro potential than some of the B12 joke defenses. Especially USC.
SO Rosen is playing relatively well, while Darnold is slightly behind. Plus, Darnold has better talent around him.
But if anyone thinks any of these guys are plug and play at the next level you're outta your gourd. They're all projects to a point.
Mayfield looks good but I cant help but think hes one of these guys thats a beast in college but sucks in the pros. Its like he could be Brees at the next level or he could be Colt McCoy.
Could be. It's a shame that there's no clear cut #1 or #2 pick The year that the Giants suck the big white mint. Figures.
I'm not crazy impressed with any of these guys.
If Reese is retained he'll probably pick Chubb anyways.
Gotta be honest, enjoying watching good college QB play, but it's also very weird to be very seriously scouting for our next QB. Gonna miss Eli.
Impressive performance.
Rosen was right along with you there. Nice play by the USC defense for the INT.
Doesnt have to be a Gilbride offense but I think hed be lethal in a play action heavy offense with a good running game.
Good, I want to shitcan McAdoos popgun offense anyway.
Like Daryl Lamonica?
That's going to be key where every they go at the top.
The deep ball and downfield passing is their biggest strength.
But I can see a team taking them and breaking them down and making them play in this 6 yard, quick throw, quick slant offense where they are being restricted and thus, never reach their full potential.
Don't underestimate the amount of bad coaching that exists in the NFL.
Ronnie Lott?
I love Darnold's ability to buy time but there is so much he needs to learn like taking a snap under center, working on his drops frok under center, calling a play, etc. The potential is there but he definitely needs another year in college.
To me, I will roll the dice with Webb. I think he is a great combination of both of these QBs in terms of standing tall in the pocket, having a big arm, and being able to buy time when needed. I like Webb's upside.
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Ronnie Lott?
Not quite. But his name is Uchenna Nwosu. Combo DE/OLB that was projected last month to be a top 75 pick.
I love Darnold's ability to buy time but there is so much he needs to learn like taking a snap under center, working on his drops frok under center, calling a play, etc. The potential is there but he definitely needs another year in college.
To me, I will roll the dice with Webb. I think he is a great combination of both of these QBs in terms of standing tall in the pocket, having a big arm, and being able to buy time when needed. I like Webb's upside.
Excellent analysis. The proliferation of spread offenses in college is destroying OL play in the NFL. None of these guys is guaranteed success. The NFL graveyard is littered with first round QBs who never amounted to anything.
But whether to a first round pick on a QB is the most important decision for the Giants since the trade for Eli. The likelihood of that happening increases with a new regime.
I agree they would probably take Rosen or Darnold, but they won't have the chance if Rosen goes #1 to the Browns, and Darnold stays in school.
The Giants may not think any other QB is worth a top five pick.
I never said the Giants arent picking a QB because of Webb. I said I am not thrilled with either guy right now. Big difference. I am not drafting a QB just to draft a QB.
Ridiculous penalty. Rivalry game. He called him a bitch.
Flag.
Gimme a fucking break.
The kid just knows how to fling it in tight spots. Darnold is impressive, as well. I almost feel though he could use another year in college.
Regardless, both are impressive.
Rosen appears to be the type of guy who would complete 65% of his passes because of his natural ability as an accurate passer as opposed to being a "system QB" where the kind of throws that are given artificially inflates the numbers.
BTW...there is an incredible talent gap with these two teams. How the hell is this game this close right now?
Receiver may have slightly overran the route as Rosen appeared to be throwing to a spot.
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Rosen appears to be the type of guy who would complete 65% of his passes because of his natural ability as an accurate passer as opposed to being a "system QB" where the kind of throws that are given artificially inflates the numbers.
BTW...there is an incredible talent gap with these two teams. How the hell is this game this close right now?
And he is so poised while doing it all. Really impressed me in this game
Think if he had a running game that was at least average
That said. Big concerns about his durability. And if the party boy rumors are true, NY isn't going to help at all.
Pretty underwhelmed tonight. Plenty of mistakes by both QBs. Plenty of really good plays.
Can't have that trade-off in the nfl.
Not overly impressed by either candidate.
Daryl Lamonica was one of the most entertaining QB's to play the game
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the Raiders used to have when Al Davis was the owner
Like Daryl Lamonica?
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The recruiting services demonstrate the quality of athletes that UCLA has consistently brought in, alongside Rosen, however the Bruins are in real danger of ending this season with a losing record. In fact, if UCLA drops their next game it would mark the first consecutive season of losing records in multiple decades. Rosen presided over each....concerning to say the least
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2015- 13
2014- 18
The recruiting services demonstrate the quality of athletes that UCLA has consistently brought in, alongside Rosen, however the Bruins are in real danger of ending this season with a losing record. In fact, if UCLA drops their next game it would mark the first consecutive season of losing records in multiple decades. Rosen presided over each....concerning to say the least
I completely disagree. There was an obvious talent differential in this game tonight and the one factor that gave UCLA any chance was Rosen. Rating a signing class without taking into account how they ended up is a bit misleading IMO
For those who are unimpressed with both,these two quarterbacks are much better prospects then any quarterback in last year's draft. Josh Rosen would be a top 5 pick in any draft.
For those who are unimpressed with both,these two quarterbacks are much better prospects then any quarterback in last year's draft. Josh Rosen would be a top 5 pick in any draft.
I agree. Good post
The kid just knows how to fling it in tight spots. Darnold is impressive, as well. I almost feel though he could use another year in college.
Regardless, both are impressive.
I've compared him to Eli as well.
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2014- 18
The recruiting services demonstrate the quality of athletes that UCLA has consistently brought in, alongside Rosen, however the Bruins are in real danger of ending this season with a losing record. In fact, if UCLA drops their next game it would mark the first consecutive season of losing records in multiple decades. Rosen presided over each....concerning to say the least
Their defense is a joke. And Mora's likely to get canned.
I love Darnold's ability to buy time but there is so much he needs to learn like taking a snap under center, working on his drops frok under center, calling a play, etc. The potential is there but he definitely needs another year in college.
To me, I will roll the dice with Webb. I think he is a great combination of both of these QBs in terms of standing tall in the pocket, having a big arm, and being able to buy time when needed. I like Webb's upside.
Although Id like to see Webb in action first, I could get behind this. Id try to bring in a few OL via free agency and draft the RB with my first pick.
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2016- 12
2015- 13
2014- 18
The recruiting services demonstrate the quality of athletes that UCLA has consistently brought in, alongside Rosen, however the Bruins are in real danger of ending this season with a losing record. In fact, if UCLA drops their next game it would mark the first consecutive season of losing records in multiple decades. Rosen presided over each....concerning to say the least
UCLA's defense gives up 300 yards a game on the ground. It's amazing they even have 5 wins. I have not watched all of UCLA's games, but if you go back to the first game of the season again Texas A&M (the 34pt comeback game) you'll see how Rosen has been overcoming the weaknesses of what is a very incomplete football team.
2017- 22
2016- 12
2015- 13
2014- 18
The recruiting services demonstrate the quality of athletes that UCLA has consistently brought in, alongside Rosen, however the Bruins are in real danger of ending this season with a losing record. In fact, if UCLA drops their next game it would mark the first consecutive season of losing records in multiple decades. Rosen presided over each....concerning to say the least
I'd be careful equating talent with recruiting rankings.
Thats nice to know Im catholic Im pretty sure Rosen isnt Jewish !
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and would love a jewish player to root for. It's pretty simple lol
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Thats nice to know Im catholic Im pretty sure Rosen isnt Jewish !
A simple google search would prove you wrong.
You can see where Darnold needs work, especially on out balls from the far hash. Long-term I still see him as the better prospect.
Still think the Giants take Chubb or Arden Key.
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Recruiting rankings (rivals)
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The recruiting services demonstrate the quality of athletes that UCLA has consistently brought in, alongside Rosen, however the Bruins are in real danger of ending this season with a losing record. In fact, if UCLA drops their next game it would mark the first consecutive season of losing records in multiple decades. Rosen presided over each....concerning to say the least
I completely disagree. There was an obvious talent differential in this game tonight and the one factor that gave UCLA any chance was Rosen. Rating a signing class without taking into account how they ended up is a bit misleading IMO
Sure, we could view UCLAs talent within the context of their competition- the P12 South or the broader P12. Im a fan of a particular P12 South school, not located within the state of California, so Im familiar with the talent levels typical at each school. The perception of UCLA has been that its a place where great talent goes to languish in mediocrity. Its probably an indictment of Mora more than anything else but other than USC and perhaps Washington, any team in the conference would gladly take the talent that UCLA brings in every year. Youre just not going to convince any fans of ASU, Arizona, Colorado, or Utah that their talent is in the same zip code as UCLA. Not to mention the perennial bottom feeders in the North. Simply put, Rosen is typically throwing to, getting blocked for, and handing the ball off to better athletes than his counterparts on any given Saturday.
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Recruiting rankings (rivals)
2017- 22
2016- 12
2015- 13
2014- 18
The recruiting services demonstrate the quality of athletes that UCLA has consistently brought in, alongside Rosen, however the Bruins are in real danger of ending this season with a losing record. In fact, if UCLA drops their next game it would mark the first consecutive season of losing records in multiple decades. Rosen presided over each....concerning to say the least
I'd be careful equating talent with recruiting rankings.