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College GameDay (Darnold vs. Rosen at 8PM)

Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/18/2017 9:45 am
Sadly, the most important game for Giants fans to watch this weekend is at 8PM tonight when Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen take the field in the same game.
More like the biggest game of the season  
The_Boss : 11/18/2017 9:52 am : link
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Be watching this one  
micky : 11/18/2017 10:08 am : link
Still think imho that Darnold will wind up the better qb.
Eric  
Sammo85 : 11/18/2017 10:11 am : link
I already posted. You can go ahead delete my thread if you wish.
RE: Eric  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/18/2017 10:33 am : link
In comment 13695608 Sammo85 said:
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I already posted. You can go ahead delete my thread if you wish.


Crap... sorry .... missed that...

I intended this thread to be all the games too so I'll keep this one up. My apologies.
No apologies needed my friend  
Sammo85 : 11/18/2017 10:46 am : link
I think we are all excited to see tonights game. As you said, sad this is what we have to excite us until the free agency and draft period in March and April.
Are there no concerns with Darnold's turnovers?  
BestFeature : 11/18/2017 10:58 am : link
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I am dvring this game  
Jay on the Island : 11/18/2017 11:03 am : link
I really believe that one of these QB's will be a Giant next season.
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est1986 : 11/18/2017 11:04 am : link
Definitely watching this one tonight. Rosen is good but I see him more as a finished product than Darnold is. Rosen is 5-5 and that is not a record I want my QB to have coming out of college, I mean Eli played with inferior talent for 3 years at Ole Miss but he always had a winning record, Rosen could be 5-6 tomorrow.
RE: Are there no concerns with Darnold's turnovers?  
Canton : 11/18/2017 11:23 am : link
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Brett Farve says nah
I know the big game for us is Darnold vs. Rosen  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 11:37 am : link
but I would like at least a couple of those defensive players from the U on the Giants at some point (especially LB and DB)
est1986  
Marty866b : 11/18/2017 11:56 am : link
Rosen is definitely the more refined quarterback. He was the most celebrated quarterback coming out of high school while Darnold was an under the radar prospect from San Clemente who only played a few years of football.Darnold is inexperienced and needs some work on his mechanics. Rosen throws the ball EXACTLY like most quarterbacks wish they did.

Can't wait to watch this game  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/18/2017 11:56 am : link
It adds a lot of flavor watching CFB when you know the top QBs are in play for the Giants.
UCLA  
steviej : 11/18/2017 12:02 pm : link
Defense is horrible & on offense Rosen doesn't have much help . Just saying
The only other big game on the slate today aside from  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 12:05 pm : link
the next NYG quarterback bowl is Michigan at Wisconsin
Virginia pulls off a brilliant first drive  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 12:17 pm : link
to take the lead on Miami
Virginia intercepts Rosier  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 12:24 pm : link
got away with a pretty good pass interference though as one of their defenders almost yanked the Miami receiver's arm off
Virginia wtf?  
micky : 11/18/2017 12:38 pm : link
lol
RE: Virginia wtf?  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 12:40 pm : link
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lol


Their QB is off to an unreal start. UVA playing out of their skull right now
is this Virginia's ball?  
micky : 11/18/2017 12:44 pm : link
wild
RE: RE: Are there no concerns with Darnold's turnovers?  
Carson53 : 11/18/2017 12:47 pm : link
In comment 13695695 Canton said:
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Brett Farve says nah
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The guy had well over 500 TD passes too, even if he became
a diva later in his career. I would say that makes up
for 300+ picks. Darnold has dare I say, a little Eli
in him. I mean last game he played pretty well, but he is
running to the right, ball hits off his leg, he fumbles.
That is something Eli would do and has done.
Last week, Eli was bowling or playing cricket.
"I was trying to flip the ball..." To who exactly,
was he flipping the ball too, the ants, LOL.
Miami's starting RB, Travis Homer, gets the turnover chain  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 1:08 pm : link
he recovered a Virginia muffed punt. The very next play, they score a TD. Homer was celebrating with the chain so he wasn't in on that play as the RB, but they scored anyway
Switching sports  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 1:13 pm : link
The Yankees need to do a home run or web gem chain like the Miami turnover chain (just with an interlocking NY design instead of the U design)
RE: Are there no concerns with Darnold's turnovers?  
jeff57 : 11/18/2017 1:14 pm : link
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Sometimes he looks like Kerry Collins handling the ball.
These offcial reviews shouldn't take this long  
jeff57 : 11/18/2017 1:16 pm : link
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Berrios reminds me a lot of Wes Welker  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 1:21 pm : link
and Victor Cruz. Will be a good player for whichever team drafts him
Michigan ties Wisconsin at 7  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 1:27 pm : link
84 yard drive for the Wolverines. Wisconsin's TD was on a punt return
They might give Virginia a TD here  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 1:35 pm : link
This Benkert guy for Virginia could be 17/18 with 3 TDs against an elite secondary
I bet on Michigan today.  
est1986 : 11/18/2017 1:45 pm : link
Don't ask why. This first half should not be 7-7.
I guess we will know more  
SirLoinOfBeef : 11/18/2017 1:57 pm : link
about these two QB's after tonight's game. I haven't followed much college football lately and watch mostly highlight reels (not the best indication, i know).

Seems like both play out of a shotgun formation most of the time? At least in the highlight reels it seems.

Curious where people think Josh Allen from Wyoming will going the draft? It's not the most competitive conference in college football, but he seems to play a bit more under center than Darnold or Rosen. Big kid who can run when he has to. Looks a bit like Went (also from a smaller program). If Allen goes in round 2, would a trade down make sense for the Giants?
UVA just blocked a Miami punt at the 20  
adamg : 11/18/2017 2:04 pm : link
They're up 21-14 already. This could be a big upset...
RE: UVA just blocked a Miami punt at the 20  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 2:05 pm : link
In comment 13695809 adamg said:
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They're up 21-14 already. This could be a big upset...


This Benkert is playing the game of his life. He looks like Joe Montana out there
UVA loses 5 on the run and then comes back with a 25 yard TD pass  
adamg : 11/18/2017 2:05 pm : link
28-14

Wow
RE: RE: UVA just blocked a Miami punt at the 20  
adamg : 11/18/2017 2:06 pm : link
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They're up 21-14 already. This could be a big upset...



This Benkert is playing the game of his life. He looks like Joe Montana out there


Absolutely beautiful throws. The one before the half looked like Eli circa 2011.
RE: RE: RE: UVA just blocked a Miami punt at the 20  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 2:10 pm : link
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They're up 21-14 already. This could be a big upset...



This Benkert is playing the game of his life. He looks like Joe Montana out there



Absolutely beautiful throws. The one before the half looked like Eli circa 2011.


He normally isn't any good at all, that's the baffling thing

Miami destroyed Josh Jackson (VT)
Miami destroyed Brandon Wimbush (ND)
But someone like Benkert lights them up
Miami strikes back to make it 28-21  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 2:17 pm : link
Berrios had a spectacular diving catch on 3rd and 10 to put the Canes in position
Benkert is talented but erratic  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2017 2:20 pm : link
Had a massive game at Boise State, for example.....but you never know which Benkert will show up.
Oh and Miami destroyed Josh Jackson because he sucks moose balls  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2017 2:21 pm : link
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RE: Benkert is talented but erratic  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 2:22 pm : link
In comment 13695821 Greg from LI said:
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Had a massive game at Boise State, for example.....but you never know which Benkert will show up.


Just got pick sixed for a TD...exactly right about the talented but erratic. Virginia's outplayed Miami so far and deserves to be ahead but that pick six changes a lot
Yep, that's the Benkert experience  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2017 2:27 pm : link
High highs, low lows
This UVA-Miami tilt is becoming one of the most entertaining  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 2:27 pm : link
games of the season
Jordan Ellis isn t the most talented runner around  
Greg from LI : 11/18/2017 2:29 pm : link
But damn I love that kid. He's like a poor man's Ahmad Bradshaw - runs with bad intentions.
That was pass interference on Trajan Bandy  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 2:31 pm : link
Miami gets away with one
Rosier finds Irvin II (yes, that's Michael Irvin's son)  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 2:34 pm : link
for a first down. Then he throws a near pick six looking for Irvin II and a pick inside the Virginia 20
If we are all looking for a MLB  
Jay in Toronto : 11/18/2017 2:59 pm : link
I'd love Badger TJ Edwards
Can't  
AcidTest : 11/18/2017 3:11 pm : link
get sacked on fourth and three.
Rosier runs it in on 3rd and goal from the 8  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 3:16 pm : link
Miami up two scores
Wisconsin in control now, the OL has taken over  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/18/2017 3:25 pm : link
IMO, a great game to play before the championship game with Ohio State. Michigan's defense has the speed and power comparable with Ohio State and Wisc needed to deal with it before the championship game.
Now  
AcidTest : 11/18/2017 3:25 pm : link
up two TDs and two two point conversions after another TD. UVA was competitive, but Miami is much better. it was a good game for a long while.
Wisconsin very fundamentally sound team  
gtt350 : 11/18/2017 3:31 pm : link
throwback football great to watch.
RE: If we are all looking for a MLB  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/18/2017 3:34 pm : link
In comment 13695856 Jay in Toronto said:
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I'd love Badger TJ Edwards


Its been a pleasure watching the evolution of Wisco LBers through the 90's to now. They seem like a LB factory now, considering they lost Watt and Cichy to IR.
If we're looking for a coach  
gtt350 : 11/18/2017 3:36 pm : link
what about Paul Chryst?
As a Badger alum, I hope he stays in Madison for a long time  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/18/2017 3:54 pm : link
He's from there, played there. Wisco has had a bit of coaching turnover losing Bielema and Anderson along with Aranda and Wilcox. They pull the most out of 3 star recruits than anybody.
Funny  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2017 4:11 pm : link
that the Michigan contingent is once again quiet. Bunch of fair weather fans.

The better team won today. Really excited about this Badger team. One of the best things too is that they're young.

I would feel a lot better about this team is Hornibrook wasn't so inconsistent. He makes some NFL caliber throws but throws far too many picks for someone who throws the ball 15-20 times per game.
Just a word to the wise about making too much...  
M.S. : 11/18/2017 4:24 pm : link
...out of tonight's Darnold/Rosen match-up.

On November 25, 1995, Michigan faced Ohio State with the marque match-up of Michigan's Tim Biakabutuka, versus Ohio State's Eddie George.

Because of Biakabutuka's 313 on 37 carries in a 3123 victory over previously-unbeaten Ohio State, the Michigan star running back got the nod over Eddie George in the 1996 NFL Draft being selected #8 by Carolina. Eddie George went six picks later to the Houston Oilers at #14.

The rest is history. Tiakabutuka rushed for 2,530 years over a 5-year injury plagued career.

As for Eddie George... 8 years straight in which he never missed a game. Final career totals include 10,441 rushing yards, 268 receptions, 2,227 receiving yards, and 78 touchdowns (68 rushing and ten receiving).
M.S.  
Marty866b : 11/18/2017 4:27 pm : link
Great point. This is also just one game. It is a very small sample size.
Barkley opens the scoring with a 65 yard run against Nebraska  
PatersonPlank : 11/18/2017 4:33 pm : link
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RE: Just a word to the wise about making too much...  
GiantTuff1 : 11/18/2017 4:36 pm : link
In comment 13695908 M.S. said:
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...out of tonight's Darnold/Rosen match-up.

On November 25, 1995, Michigan faced Ohio State with the marque match-up of Michigan's Tim Biakabutuka, versus Ohio State's Eddie George.

Because of Biakabutuka's 313 on 37 carries in a 3123 victory over previously-unbeaten Ohio State, the Michigan star running back got the nod over Eddie George in the 1996 NFL Draft being selected #8 by Carolina. Eddie George went six picks later to the Houston Oilers at #14.

The rest is history. Tiakabutuka rushed for 2,530 years over a 5-year injury plagued career.

As for Eddie George... 8 years straight in which he never missed a game. Final career totals include 10,441 rushing yards, 268 receptions, 2,227 receiving yards, and 78 touchdowns (68 rushing and ten receiving).


Always be cautionary with that..

I think when players are evenly matched, even if one is a little more polished looking, the key is to look at intangibles.

Accorsi would say Eli had some sort of magic, an ability to will his team from behind when he watched him... That's the sort of edge i'm looking for as it reveals character.
Can people stop  
redwhiteandbigblue : 11/18/2017 4:43 pm : link
with the INT issues with Darnold. The FACTS are that Darnold has almost the identical number of passing attempts as Rosen. Rosen has 21 TD passes and 9 INT's and Darnold has 24 TD's and 11 INT's. Darnold has a 148 rating and Rosen a 143. Basically equal. You can throw in that UCLA' has an inferior team BUT you can also make the case that USC has played MUCH tougher opponents. To me, Darnold has a strong arm and excellent footwork in and out of the pocket. He also has incredible poise for such a young guy. Reminds me personality and poise wise alot like Eli. I would be happy with either although I do worry a little about Rosen's personality fitting in the NFL and in NY. I would take either one but for my money, I prefer Darnold. Looking forward to tonight's game!
ND struggling with Navy in the 1st half  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 4:56 pm : link
but they get a drive going at the end of the 1st half to tie it at 10 (Wimbush TD)
Barkley 7 carries 111 yards, 2 TDs - In the 1st Quarter  
PatersonPlank : 11/18/2017 4:58 pm : link
I'd love him on the Giants
KState is finishing off OK State's chances  
jeff57 : 11/18/2017 5:15 pm : link
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RE: Are there no concerns with Darnold's turnovers?  
Boy Cord : 11/18/2017 5:17 pm : link
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Dan Marino threw five picks vs. Tennessee his senior year and was an interception machine throughout his career. Darnold is 20. Not the least bit worried about his turnovers.
Kansas trying to bully Baker Mayfield today  
nyjuggernaut2 : 11/18/2017 5:19 pm : link
Hitting him late, didn't shake his hand during coin toss, constantly in his after plays trash talking. Impressed by his composure fighting through it.
RE: Barkley 7 carries 111 yards, 2 TDs - In the 1st Quarter  
nyjuggernaut2 : 11/18/2017 5:22 pm : link
In comment 13695936 PatersonPlank said:
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I'd love him on the Giants


I'd love to see Giants grab Barkley in 1st and Mayfield in the 2nd. Similar to when SD drafted Tomlinson and Brees.
How far has Nebraska fallen  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 5:23 pm : link
I remember when they were the best team in the country (1995) and perennial national championship contenders all the way to 2001...

Now they can't recruit
Are constantly switching coaches
Have no natural rivals (Oklahoma, Texas and Colorado aren't in the B1G)
RE: ND struggling with Navy in the 1st half  
section125 : 11/18/2017 5:26 pm : link
In comment 13695934 dpinzow said:
[quote] but they get a drive going at the end of the 1st half to tie it at 10 (Wimbush TD) [/quote

ND with horrendous tackling against the option. Navy's runners cannot be that strong that ND cannot tackle them.
Back to Nebraska for a second  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 5:27 pm : link
I have to think they give Scott Frost whatever he wants to come back to Lincoln. Frost was the last Nebraska QB to lead them to a national title (1997 shared title with Michigan)
In the 1990s, Nebraska, FSU, Florida and Tennessee  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 5:35 pm : link
won 7 of the decade's 10 national championships. Now, all of them will either replace their coaches (Tennessee, Florida, almost certainly Nebraska) or see their coaches on a very warm seat (FSU)
RE: In the 1990s, Nebraska, FSU, Florida and Tennessee  
section125 : 11/18/2017 5:40 pm : link
In comment 13695961 dpinzow said:
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won 7 of the decade's 10 national championships. Now, all of them will either replace their coaches (Tennessee, Florida, almost certainly Nebraska) or see their coaches on a very warm seat (FSU)


Doubt Jimbo Fisher is on the warm/hot seat....lose your sophomore on the 1st week and then start a true frosh QB the rest of the year. It ain't pretty, but they'll be pretty good next year. Lots of youngsters on that team.
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dpinzow : 11/18/2017 5:43 pm : link
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won 7 of the decade's 10 national championships. Now, all of them will either replace their coaches (Tennessee, Florida, almost certainly Nebraska) or see their coaches on a very warm seat (FSU)



Doubt Jimbo Fisher is on the warm/hot seat....lose your sophomore on the 1st week and then start a true frosh QB the rest of the year. It ain't pretty, but they'll be pretty good next year. Lots of youngsters on that team.


Jimbo better beat Miami and put up at least 9-10 wins or he's in trouble. The national championship he won with Jameis gives him a reprieve this year but FSU will make a change if they think Miami will overrun them in Florida recruiting and start dominating the state
And FSU's schedule is hard as hell next year  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 5:51 pm : link
Clemson
@ Miami
@ ND
@ Louisville
@ NC State
Virginia Tech
Mayfield  
WillVAB : 11/18/2017 6:05 pm : link
The announcers were glowing about Matfield after his last TD pass. They pan to him on the sideline and hes grabbing his crotch saying fuck you multiple times to the Kansas sideline.
Immature but.......  
Sammo85 : 11/18/2017 6:07 pm : link
Kansas has been cheapshotting him and being unsportsmanlike all day including with the coin toss nonsense they pulled.
ND finally goes ahead of Navy  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 6:07 pm : link
24-17. Scored a TD after Navy missed a FG
Mayfield...  
Sy'56 : 11/18/2017 6:12 pm : link
another check
RE: Mayfield...  
WillVAB : 11/18/2017 6:21 pm : link
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another check


A little hypocritical of you being so pro Mayfield and anti Beckham.
RE: RE: Mayfield...  
B in ALB : 11/18/2017 6:30 pm : link
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A little hypocritical of you being so pro Mayfield and anti Beckham.


Never saw Beckham grab his crotch and scream FU over and over on the sidelines.

Hypocritical indeed.
Yeah I'm noticing that trend on BBI, too.  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2017 6:34 pm : link
Let's embrace all assholes.
.  
Danny Kanell : 11/18/2017 6:48 pm : link
Ive seen all I need to see out of Mayfield tonight to confirm that he wont be on the Giants board. What a douche.
OK State trying to make an epic comeback  
jeff57 : 11/18/2017 6:54 pm : link
Down 42-13', now 42-40
RE: Mayfield  
jeff57 : 11/18/2017 6:56 pm : link
In comment 13695980 WillVAB said:
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The announcers were glowing about Matfield after his last TD pass. They pan to him on the sideline and hes grabbing his crotch saying fuck you multiple times to the Kansas sideline.


Like to see him plant the flag while grabbing his crotch.
USC cheerleaders  
B in ALB : 11/18/2017 8:15 pm : link
My god.
I WANT  
adambear : 11/18/2017 8:24 pm : link
THE CHOSEN ONE
It won't count  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 8:25 pm : link
but that deep throw by Rosen was sick. Perfect spiral right in the receiver's lap
RE: It won't count  
jeff57 : 11/18/2017 8:25 pm : link
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but that deep throw by Rosen was sick. Perfect spiral right in the receiver's lap


Yeah, was nice.
WHat channel  
cokeduplt : 11/18/2017 8:27 pm : link
Is the game on?
I love when the  
adambear : 11/18/2017 8:27 pm : link
punter switcheroo works
RE: WHat channel  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 8:28 pm : link
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ABC
Terrible job  
Sammo85 : 11/18/2017 8:29 pm : link
By the UCLA punter. Punted opposite field of the designed coverage.
RE: I love when the  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2017 8:29 pm : link
In comment 13696055 adambear said:
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punter switcheroo works


Chiefs will probably use that one tomorrow and it will go for a TD.
Keep in mind it'll be more difficult to evaluate Rosen  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 8:29 pm : link
since his team is a lot worse than Darnold's
RE: Terrible job  
Sammo85 : 11/18/2017 8:30 pm : link
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By the UCLA punter. Punted opposite field of the designed coverage.


Unless they were trying to take or outsmart USC.
That was beyond bizarre  
BigBlue4You09 : 11/18/2017 8:30 pm : link
How did that guy know to sprint back and field that kick!?
I really want to root  
adambear : 11/18/2017 8:33 pm : link
for a Jewish NYG QB. I'm way too biased to fairly evaluate this game
Rosen throws a sick deep ball  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 8:33 pm : link
Some QBs in the NFL right now can't do that
Laid that one right in  
jeff57 : 11/18/2017 8:33 pm : link
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Rosen  
Sammo85 : 11/18/2017 8:33 pm : link
Looks the part.

The accuracy he has downfield is sick.
What I'm syaing is  
adambear : 11/18/2017 8:33 pm : link
Rosen is incredible
Rosen  
WillVAB : 11/18/2017 8:33 pm : link
Has a great deep ball.
RE: Keep in mind it'll be more difficult to evaluate Rosen  
AnishPatel : 11/18/2017 8:33 pm : link
In comment 13696060 dpinzow said:
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since his team is a lot worse than Darnold's


No, you see if he can elevate the players around him, such as Eli did for Ole Miss. Also, you are scouting to see footwork, arm strength, and if the scouts have access to his practice and then watch him live during the game. You want to see if he can make the throws needed at the NFL level.
RE: I really want to root  
B in ALB : 11/18/2017 8:34 pm : link
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for a Jewish NYG QB. I'm way too biased to fairly evaluate this game


Uh. What?
I love what Im seeing from Rosen  
Sean : 11/18/2017 8:35 pm : link
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I am  
adambear : 11/18/2017 8:35 pm : link
completely sold. It took half a quarter.
RE: Rosen throws a sick deep ball  
Sammo85 : 11/18/2017 8:35 pm : link
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Some QBs in the NFL right now can't do that


Touch like that in a QB is rare and shows potential for elite play.
Rosen put that one RIGHT on the money  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 8:35 pm : link
between 2 USC defenders
RE: RE: Keep in mind it'll be more difficult to evaluate Rosen  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 8:35 pm : link
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since his team is a lot worse than Darnold's



No, you see if he can elevate the players around him, such as Eli did for Ole Miss. Also, you are scouting to see footwork, arm strength, and if the scouts have access to his practice and then watch him live during the game. You want to see if he can make the throws needed at the NFL level.


Well Rosen is doing that...he's made 3 NFL caliber throws already
I'm Jewish  
adambear : 11/18/2017 8:36 pm : link
and would love a jewish player to root for. It's pretty simple lol
Rosen makes every throw  
bubba0825 : 11/18/2017 8:36 pm : link
With really good accuracy
Rosen throws a great ball  
B in ALB : 11/18/2017 8:36 pm : link
Needs to get a bit bigger though 218 ain't gonna cut it in the NFL. Hope that doesn't throw off his mechanics.
Sadly  
Sammo85 : 11/18/2017 8:37 pm : link
Rosen is going to be a Brown.
I rarely watch college FB  
mrvax : 11/18/2017 8:37 pm : link
but Rosen looks great!
Rosen  
Stan in LA : 11/18/2017 8:37 pm : link
is a franchise QB.
Rosen giving our scouts an eyeful.  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2017 8:37 pm : link
Those were some sick throws.
Rosen looks great. I only watched him a few times last year,  
yatqb : 11/18/2017 8:38 pm : link
and he was outstanding then as well. Nice to have several good QB prospects at the top of a draft where we might take one.
RE: I'm Jewish  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2017 8:38 pm : link
In comment 13696080 adambear said:
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and would love a jewish player to root for. It's pretty simple lol


His jersey sales will be fire next year if he's a Giant.
Rosen  
Bluesbreaker : 11/18/2017 8:38 pm : link
those are NFL throw;s not sure if the two receivers together didn't cause the in-completion throwing darts .
Whats with the brace was he injured recently ?
Not a surprise to me  
jeff57 : 11/18/2017 8:38 pm : link
I've seen him several times this season. Throws a pretty pass and is accurate. Gets in trouble when he tries to do too much.
Holy crap Rosen has a cannon of an arm!  
nyjuggernaut2 : 11/18/2017 8:38 pm : link
First time seeing him play and I'm impressed. Isn't the knock on him his work ethic or character or something like that? Because talent wise he looks like the real deal for sure.
RE: RE: RE: Keep in mind it'll be more difficult to evaluate Rosen  
AnishPatel : 11/18/2017 8:38 pm : link
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since his team is a lot worse than Darnold's



No, you see if he can elevate the players around him, such as Eli did for Ole Miss. Also, you are scouting to see footwork, arm strength, and if the scouts have access to his practice and then watch him live during the game. You want to see if he can make the throws needed at the NFL level.



Well Rosen is doing that...he's made 3 NFL caliber throws already


Yup! That's what scouts are looking at when they scout. I am watching him now and he can making those throws tonight. Great drive for a TD. I love how he threw his TE open on that play.
Rosen is the chosen one  
Canton : 11/18/2017 8:38 pm : link
Very impressive drive. He makes it look easy.
UCLAs  
adambear : 11/18/2017 8:39 pm : link
defense and specials are so shoddy we might not see much of DArnold today
If you were going to be picked by the browns  
bubba0825 : 11/18/2017 8:39 pm : link
At 1 would you try to pull a eli and get traded?
UCLAs Special Teams  
Sammo85 : 11/18/2017 8:41 pm : link
Are as terrible as ours
I've been on the Rosen banwagon for a while now  
Breeze_94 : 11/18/2017 8:41 pm : link
This guy is an NFL passer, plain and simple. There is 3-4 guys in the NFL who throw a better ball than him and he is only 20 years old. Perfect mechanics as well.
Fuck Kansas St  
Bluesbreaker : 11/18/2017 8:41 pm : link
didn't shake hands cheap shots and Mayfield smoked them .
Don't blame him for dropping the FU not sure who the coach is but what a lousy display of sportsmanship .
The proverbial OBJ brought into the conversation people are
just ignorant .
I have said it a few times now  
Jay on the Island : 11/18/2017 8:41 pm : link
In a few years we might actually be thankful that the Giants tanked so badly because it could end up getting us another franchise QB.
RE: UCLAs  
jeff57 : 11/18/2017 8:42 pm : link
In comment 13696097 adambear said:
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defense and specials are so shoddy we might not see much of DArnold today


Jim Mora is a defensive genius.
RE: Fuck Kansas St  
BigBlue4You09 : 11/18/2017 8:42 pm : link
In comment 13696102 Bluesbreaker said:
Quote:
didn't shake hands cheap shots and Mayfield smoked them .
Don't blame him for dropping the FU not sure who the coach is but what a lousy display of sportsmanship .
The proverbial OBJ brought into the conversation people are
just ignorant .


Mayfield just issued an apology regretting his actions
RE: UCLAs Special Teams  
Sammo85 : 11/18/2017 8:42 pm : link
In comment 13696100 Sammo85 said:
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Are as terrible as ours


And so is their defense apparently.
USC  
Sammo85 : 11/18/2017 8:44 pm : link
Has a really underrated rushing attack.
RE: Fuck Kansas St  
jeff57 : 11/18/2017 8:44 pm : link
In comment 13696102 Bluesbreaker said:
Quote:
didn't shake hands cheap shots and Mayfield smoked them .
Don't blame him for dropping the FU not sure who the coach is but what a lousy display of sportsmanship .
The proverbial OBJ brought into the conversation people are
just ignorant .


Kansas.
Does Darnold  
mrvax : 11/18/2017 8:44 pm : link
ever play under center?
USC  
cokeduplt : 11/18/2017 8:45 pm : link
Running back is very good
RE: USC  
Canton : 11/18/2017 8:48 pm : link
In comment 13696113 cokeduplt said:
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Running back is very good


Or is UCLA'S run defense just that horrible. They give up over 300 yards a game.
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Rosen  
AcidTest : 11/18/2017 8:50 pm : link
is ridiculously accurate. He's already made at least three tremendously accurate passes. He has incredible anticipate and touch, as well as a strong arm. He also reads defenses well. He only lacks elite mobility. Assuming he does well in his interviews, his talent is enough to make him the #1 pick.

The problem for fans is that with USC running so well, there is little incentive for Darnold to throw much.
Now we see Rosen moving to his 3rd and 4th read  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 8:52 pm : link
to make a big play
3rd and 12  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2017 8:52 pm : link
Rosen gets pressure from his left side, avoids the sack, stands tall in the pocket, steps up and finds his man for a first down.

Impressive.
It's a shame one of these guys  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2017 8:53 pm : link
may have their lives ruined in Cleveland.
Rosen gets blitzed on 4th and 10  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 8:55 pm : link
finds the checkdown receiver who makes a play to get the 1st
RE: It's a shame one of these guys  
AnishPatel : 11/18/2017 8:56 pm : link
In comment 13696125 bceagle05 said:
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may have their lives ruined in Cleveland.


Browns could pick Barkely. Try to pair Kizor with a stud RB, and try to build something.
4th and 10  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2017 8:56 pm : link
USC sends a rusher free off the left side that UCLA doesn't pick up. He doesn't run away from the defender. Stands in the pocket and hit his man who got the necessary yardage for the 1st down.

Great play.
RE: It's a shame one of these guys  
Sean : 11/18/2017 8:57 pm : link
In comment 13696125 bceagle05 said:
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may have their lives ruined in Cleveland.


Why would either want to go to Cleveland? They should absolutely force their way elsewhere.
Rosen makes Hostetler look like a Playgirl pin-up model.  
Canton : 11/18/2017 8:57 pm : link
.
Rosen's stats for the 1st quarter  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 8:57 pm : link
11/16, 146 yards, 1 TD. He had a couple of passes dropped
Darnold  
Sammo85 : 11/18/2017 8:57 pm : link
Would be a very fine consolation prize for us. Has better mobility than Rosen. May not have the tremendous deep ball that Rosen has but throws
a tight ball with good velocity.

I like both these guys. Wouldnt be upset with either of them one bit.
wonder if that little gesture or act Mayfield  
micky : 11/18/2017 8:57 pm : link
puts a few dents in his Heisman hopes
RE: Rosen makes Hostetler look like a Playgirl pin-up model.  
cokeduplt : 11/18/2017 8:58 pm : link
In comment 13696131 Canton said:
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What?
Rosen  
WillVAB : 11/18/2017 8:59 pm : link
Injuries concern me with him. Left the game a week or two ago with a concussion. Whats up with the knee brace?
Cleveland got burned on Wentz and Watson.  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2017 9:00 pm : link
I'd be stunned if they passed on one of these guys. Watch the Giants win tomorrow.
RE: Rosen's stats for the 1st quarter  
jeff57 : 11/18/2017 9:00 pm : link
In comment 13696132 dpinzow said:
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11/16, 146 yards, 1 TD. He had a couple of passes dropped


Not to mention the 50 yarder that was called back
RE: RE: It's a shame one of these guys  
Sammo85 : 11/18/2017 9:01 pm : link
In comment 13696128 AnishPatel said:
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may have their lives ruined in Cleveland.



Browns could pick Barkely. Try to pair Kizor with a stud RB, and try to build something.


From your lips to the ears of Sashi Brown, Paul DePodesta, and Jimmy Harlan.
Nwosu, No. 42  
jeff57 : 11/18/2017 9:01 pm : link
Is giving UCLA fits
RE: RE: Rosen makes Hostetler look like a Playgirl pin-up model.  
Canton : 11/18/2017 9:03 pm : link
In comment 13696135 cokeduplt said:
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In comment 13696131 Canton said:


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What?


Rosen isone ugly mofo. But the millions he's about to make will have his suitors color blind.
RE: I am  
Emil : 11/18/2017 9:03 pm : link
In comment 13696074 adambear said:
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completely sold. It took half a quarter.


I hear you. I started the season high on Rosen, and am now back to where I started. That arm!
have either of these teams  
mdc1 : 11/18/2017 9:03 pm : link
actually played against some tough defenses this year, just curious. They seem to sit back their like statues and the older NFL model that is under siege. How is their mobility?
Thats Fine he showed respect in admitting it  
Bluesbreaker : 11/18/2017 9:05 pm : link
RE: Fuck Kansas St
BigBlue4You09 : 8:42 pm : link : reply
In comment 13696102 Bluesbreaker said:
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didn't shake hands cheap shots and Mayfield smoked them .
Don't blame him for dropping the FU not sure who the coach is but what a lousy display of sportsmanship .
The proverbial OBJ brought into the conversation people are
just ignorant .


Mayfield just issued an apology regretting his actions

Kansas St would't shake at the beginning of the game
they also cheap took cheap shots on him . Then he beat them I don't blame him for being pissed and none of us knows what was being said to him when he said FU and grabbed his crotch .
RE: have either of these teams  
Emil : 11/18/2017 9:05 pm : link
In comment 13696147 mdc1 said:
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actually played against some tough defenses this year, just curious. They seem to sit back their like statues and the older NFL model that is under siege. How is their mobility?


Both are good athletes. Darnold is probably faster than Rosen, but Rosen climbs the pocket well.
RE: have either of these teams  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 9:06 pm : link
In comment 13696147 mdc1 said:
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actually played against some tough defenses this year, just curious. They seem to sit back their like statues and the older NFL model that is under siege. How is their mobility?


Rosen led a 34 point comeback against Texas A&M
RE: Thats Fine he showed respect in admitting it  
Emil : 11/18/2017 9:07 pm : link
In comment 13696150 Bluesbreaker said:
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RE: Fuck Kansas St
BigBlue4You09 : 8:42 pm : link : reply
In comment 13696102 Bluesbreaker said:
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didn't shake hands cheap shots and Mayfield smoked them .
Don't blame him for dropping the FU not sure who the coach is but what a lousy display of sportsmanship .
The proverbial OBJ brought into the conversation people are
just ignorant .


Mayfield just issued an apology regretting his actions

Kansas St would't shake at the beginning of the game
they also cheap took cheap shots on him . Then he beat them I don't blame him for being pissed and none of us knows what was being said to him when he said FU and grabbed his crotch .


I totally get why Mayfield did what he did. Not sure the Giants can take any more of that attitude though.
Agree B  
Bluesbreaker : 11/18/2017 9:08 pm : link
Rosen looks a bit frail and not sure about the knee brace
he can damn sure wing it but give me Barkley at this point .
RE: RE: I'm Jewish  
Emil : 11/18/2017 9:08 pm : link
In comment 13696089 BigBlueinChicago said:
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and would love a jewish player to root for. It's pretty simple lol



His jersey sales will be fire next year if he's a Giant.


I thought he was not Jewish
RE: have either of these teams  
jeff57 : 11/18/2017 9:08 pm : link
In comment 13696147 mdc1 said:
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actually played against some tough defenses this year, just curious. They seem to sit back their like statues and the older NFL model that is under siege. How is their mobility?


Darnold has more mobility.
RE: RE: have either of these teams  
Emil : 11/18/2017 9:08 pm : link
In comment 13696152 dpinzow said:
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In comment 13696147 mdc1 said:


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actually played against some tough defenses this year, just curious. They seem to sit back their like statues and the older NFL model that is under siege. How is their mobility?



Rosen led a 34 point comeback against Texas A&M


That was incredible
Rosen  
AcidTest : 11/18/2017 9:09 pm : link
has had some injuries, but I doubt it's enough to scare any team. Looks at the way he's playing. I doubt his hijinks and comments will matter much either. My guess is that he'll be the #1 pick, but it's obviously a long way until April.
RE: Rosen throws a great ball  
Milton : 11/18/2017 9:14 pm : link
In comment 13696082 B in ALB said:
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Needs to get a bit bigger though 218 ain't gonna cut it in the NFL. Hope that doesn't throw off his mechanics.
He's only 20 years old. And with Eli still in the fold, Rosen wouldn't have to take over the reins until 2019 or even 2020 (I'd love to see Eli play out the remainder of his current contract, assuming the Giants are playoff contenders). By then Rosen will be 23 and hopefully will have naturally added another 10-15 pounds to his frame to go along with the benefits gained from two years in an NFL weight-lifting program.

But if this game and this season continues as is for Rosen, there is no way he isn't the first pick in the draft, so the Giants will need to lose the rest of their games to have a shot at him. And I expect the Giants to have at least two or three more games in which they actually play up to their abilities and finish 3-13 or 4-12.
Rosen hits the guy in perfect stride  
bubba0825 : 11/18/2017 9:14 pm : link
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Keep in mind  
Emil : 11/18/2017 9:15 pm : link
That Rosen has a lot less talent around him than Darnold.
Rosen would be a nice pick  
adamg : 11/18/2017 9:15 pm : link
Pair him with Billy Price in round two, add a Pugh re-sign and a FA OG, and we might be in the playoffs next year with our future franchise QB on the bench. That would be sweet.
I would be very happy  
Jay on the Island : 11/18/2017 9:15 pm : link
with either of these kids as our 1st round pick.
Rosen looks good, hard to get a feel for Darnold since UCLA's D is so  
OdellBeckhamJr : 11/18/2017 9:16 pm : link
bad.
RE: Thats Fine he showed respect in admitting it  
WillVAB : 11/18/2017 9:16 pm : link
In comment 13696150 Bluesbreaker said:
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RE: Fuck Kansas St
BigBlue4You09 : 8:42 pm : link : reply
In comment 13696102 Bluesbreaker said:
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didn't shake hands cheap shots and Mayfield smoked them .
Don't blame him for dropping the FU not sure who the coach is but what a lousy display of sportsmanship .
The proverbial OBJ brought into the conversation people are
just ignorant .


Mayfield just issued an apology regretting his actions

Kansas St would't shake at the beginning of the game
they also cheap took cheap shots on him . Then he beat them I don't blame him for being pissed and none of us knows what was being said to him when he said FU and grabbed his crotch .


Did you watch it live? I did. He took a late hit early in the 1st quarter and this incident happened at the end of the third. He was on his sideline when the incident occurred, so Im not sure how much he could actually hear from the other sideline.

The Beckham mention is very relevant. Anyone who is pro Matfield but anti Beckham is a hypocrite.
RE: I'm Jewish  
B in ALB : 11/18/2017 9:17 pm : link
In comment 13696080 adambear said:
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and would love a jewish player to root for. It's pretty simple lol


I get it. Should a Catholic person want a Catholic QB?

Just a weird thing to root for.

I would like an agnostic QB. That would be ideal!

I mean wtf.
RE: RE: I'm Jewish  
Emil : 11/18/2017 9:18 pm : link
In comment 13696175 B in ALB said:
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In comment 13696080 adambear said:


Quote:


and would love a jewish player to root for. It's pretty simple lol



I get it. Should a Catholic person want a Catholic QB?

Just a weird thing to root for.

I would like an agnostic QB. That would be ideal!

I mean wtf.


Not sure I care what religion or ethnicity his arm is. He'll wear blue right?
RE: RE: Rosen throws a great ball  
Sammo85 : 11/18/2017 9:19 pm : link
In comment 13696163 Milton said:
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In comment 13696082 B in ALB said:


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Needs to get a bit bigger though 218 ain't gonna cut it in the NFL. Hope that doesn't throw off his mechanics.

He's only 20 years old. And with Eli still in the fold, Rosen wouldn't have to take over the reins until 2019 or even 2020 (I'd love to see Eli play out the remainder of his current contract, assuming the Giants are playoff contenders). By then Rosen will be 23 and hopefully will have naturally added another 10-15 pounds to his frame to go along with the benefits gained from two years in an NFL weight-lifting program.

But if this game and this season continues as is for Rosen, there is no way he isn't the first pick in the draft, so the Giants will need to lose the rest of their games to have a shot at him. And I expect the Giants to have at least two or three more games in which they actually play up to their abilities and finish 3-13 or 4-12.


No way this team wins 4 games. Winning even one more will be a challenge.
RE: RE: Thats Fine he showed respect in admitting it  
Emil : 11/18/2017 9:20 pm : link
In comment 13696173 WillVAB said:
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In comment 13696150 Bluesbreaker said:


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RE: Fuck Kansas St
BigBlue4You09 : 8:42 pm : link : reply
In comment 13696102 Bluesbreaker said:
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didn't shake hands cheap shots and Mayfield smoked them .
Don't blame him for dropping the FU not sure who the coach is but what a lousy display of sportsmanship .
The proverbial OBJ brought into the conversation people are
just ignorant .


Mayfield just issued an apology regretting his actions

Kansas St would't shake at the beginning of the game
they also cheap took cheap shots on him . Then he beat them I don't blame him for being pissed and none of us knows what was being said to him when he said FU and grabbed his crotch .



Did you watch it live? I did. He took a late hit early in the 1st quarter and this incident happened at the end of the third. He was on his sideline when the incident occurred, so Im not sure how much he could actually hear from the other sideline.

The Beckham mention is very relevant. Anyone who is pro Matfield but anti Beckham is a hypocrite.


Very true, but it takes on a bit of a different tone when it is your qb. Just the name of the game.
RE: RE: Rosen throws a great ball  
B in ALB : 11/18/2017 9:21 pm : link
In comment 13696163 Milton said:
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In comment 13696082 B in ALB said:


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Needs to get a bit bigger though 218 ain't gonna cut it in the NFL. Hope that doesn't throw off his mechanics.

He's only 20 years old. And with Eli still in the fold, Rosen wouldn't have to take over the reins until 2019 or even 2020 (I'd love to see Eli play out the remainder of his current contract, assuming the Giants are playoff contenders). By then Rosen will be 23 and hopefully will have naturally added another 10-15 pounds to his frame to go along with the benefits gained from two years in an NFL weight-lifting program.

But if this game and this season continues as is for Rosen, there is no way he isn't the first pick in the draft, so the Giants will need to lose the rest of their games to have a shot at him. And I expect the Giants to have at least two or three more games in which they actually play up to their abilities and finish 3-13 or 4-12.


Ok. But what's that got to do with my point about his mechanics?

Even adding 15 pounds can throw everything out of wack. I'm not saying it will but he's clearly a naturally skinny guy whose durability could come into question from taking punishment from pros.
That throw sold me on  
McNally's_Nuts : 11/18/2017 9:22 pm : link
Darnold.

Sign me up.
Quite a throw there off his wrong foot and moving .  
yatqb : 11/18/2017 9:22 pm : link
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Wow.  
AcidTest : 11/18/2017 9:23 pm : link
What a throw by Darnold, especially on the move. Tremendous vision. Always keeps his eyes downfield.
Nice play by Darnold  
Jay on the Island : 11/18/2017 9:23 pm : link
He is very good throwing on the run.
Judiasm  
adambear : 11/18/2017 9:23 pm : link
can be classified as a nationalism in the right light.

I personally am an atheist Jew (don't feel like getting into on a football thread), but ya know how you get all patriotic and root for Team USA? I do that too, but with Jews as well. There's only a handful of successful jewish athletes.
RE: RE: RE: I'm Jewish  
Jon in NYC : 11/18/2017 9:24 pm : link
In comment 13696177 Emil said:
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In comment 13696175 B in ALB said:


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In comment 13696080 adambear said:


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and would love a jewish player to root for. It's pretty simple lol



I get it. Should a Catholic person want a Catholic QB?

Just a weird thing to root for.

I would like an agnostic QB. That would be ideal!

I mean wtf.



Not sure I care what religion or ethnicity his arm is. He'll wear blue right?

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darnold  
mdc1 : 11/18/2017 9:24 pm : link
looks pretty good and can move.
I don't know  
ThatLimerickGuy : 11/18/2017 9:24 pm : link
If the Giants can afford someone with the brash personality of Rosen or Mayfield. NY has a history of eating up guys like that. It's one of the reasons I always thought Eli was a perfect NY QB.

I'd go Darnold all day and 2x on Sunday and let him have his developmental 2018 behind ELI.
These guys are both very impressive  
Emil : 11/18/2017 9:24 pm : link
UCLAs defense is so bad that it's harder to evaluate Darnold, but he's on top of his game tonight too.
Looks  
AcidTest : 11/18/2017 9:25 pm : link
like a fumble.
Darnold  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2017 9:25 pm : link
pulling an Eli with that scramble fumble with him looking somewhat uncoordinated.
RE: I don't know  
Emil : 11/18/2017 9:25 pm : link
In comment 13696189 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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If the Giants can afford someone with the brash personality of Rosen or Mayfield. NY has a history of eating up guys like that. It's one of the reasons I always thought Eli was a perfect NY QB.

I'd go Darnold all day and 2x on Sunday and let him have his developmental 2018 behind ELI.


Not sure I would say Rosen is brash in the same way that Mayfield is.
RE: Looks  
adamg : 11/18/2017 9:25 pm : link
In comment 13696193 AcidTest said:
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like a fumble.


Left knee might be down...
Darnold  
WillVAB : 11/18/2017 9:26 pm : link
I dont like anything about his game. IMO hes a bust if he comes out.
Just for some reference,  
adambear : 11/18/2017 9:26 pm : link
then I'll drop it.

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Judaism can be thought of as being simultaneously a religion, a nationality and a culture.

Throughout the middle ages and into the 20th century, most of the European world agreed that Jews constituted a distinct nation. This concept of nation does not require that a nation have either a territory nor a government, but rather, it identifies, as a nation any distinct group of people with a common language and culture. Only in the 19th century did it become common to assume that each nation should have its own distinct government; this is the political philosophy of nationalism. In fact, Jews had a remarkable degree of self-government until the 19th century. So long as Jews lived in their ghettos, they were allowed to collect their own taxes, run their own courts, and otherwise behave as citizens of a landless and distinctly second-class Jewish nation.

Of course, Judaism is a religion, and it is this religion that forms the central element of the Jewish culture that binds Jews together as a nation. It is the religion that defines foods as being kosher and non-kosher, and this underlies Jewish cuisine. It is the religion that sets the calendar of Jewish feast and fast days, and it is the religion that has preserved the Hebrew language.

Is Judaism an ethnicity? In short, not any more. Although Judaism arose out of a single ethnicity in the Middle East, there have always been conversions into and out of the religion. Thus, there are those who may have been ethnically part of the original group who are no longer part of Judaism, and those of other ethnic groups who have converted into Judaism.

If you are referring to a nation in the sense of race, Judaism is not a nation. People are free to convert into Judaism; once converted, they are considered the same as if they were born Jewish. This is not true for a race.
Liked the gut play by Darnold  
Sammo85 : 11/18/2017 9:26 pm : link
Ball control is his issue though.
Slide! Don't go  
AnishPatel : 11/18/2017 9:26 pm : link
head first. Good mobility though.
RE: I don't know  
Jay on the Island : 11/18/2017 9:26 pm : link
In comment 13696189 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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If the Giants can afford someone with the brash personality of Rosen or Mayfield. NY has a history of eating up guys like that. It's one of the reasons I always thought Eli was a perfect NY QB.

I'd go Darnold all day and 2x on Sunday and let him have his developmental 2018 behind ELI.

Agreed, if the Giants have the #1 pick I would be surprised if Darnold wasn't the pick.
Hes down, his left knee is down  
bubba0825 : 11/18/2017 9:26 pm : link
Not that close
He's down  
Emil : 11/18/2017 9:27 pm : link
Then ball comes out.
Like what I see from both  
nyjuggernaut2 : 11/18/2017 9:27 pm : link
I tell ya, both look to be the real deal. Rosen reminds me of Matt Ryan, Darnold looks like Andrew Luck. I'd be happy with either, but if I had to choose lean toward Darnold based on his mobility.
RE: RE: I don't know  
mdc1 : 11/18/2017 9:27 pm : link
In comment 13696203 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13696189 ThatLimerickGuy said:


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If the Giants can afford someone with the brash personality of Rosen or Mayfield. NY has a history of eating up guys like that. It's one of the reasons I always thought Eli was a perfect NY QB.

I'd go Darnold all day and 2x on Sunday and let him have his developmental 2018 behind ELI.


Agreed, if the Giants have the #1 pick I would be surprised if Darnold wasn't the pick.


He looks more NFL, instead of the next Jeff George.
RE: Liked the gut play by Darnold  
Emil : 11/18/2017 9:28 pm : link
In comment 13696201 Sammo85 said:
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Ball control is his issue though.


I like the mobility
OK.  
AcidTest : 11/18/2017 9:28 pm : link
Not a fumble. Thought the evidence was at best inconclusive, so they'd stay with the ruling on the field for that reason.
RE: Slide! Don't go  
McNally's_Nuts : 11/18/2017 9:28 pm : link
In comment 13696202 AnishPatel said:
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head first. Good mobility though.


Reminds me of Eli.

Goofy fumbling indeed
Darnold and his fumbles  
jeff57 : 11/18/2017 9:29 pm : link
Shades of Kerry Collins.
RE: RE: Liked the gut play by Darnold  
Sammo85 : 11/18/2017 9:30 pm : link
In comment 13696210 Emil said:
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In comment 13696201 Sammo85 said:


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Ball control is his issue though.



I like the mobility


Yeah its the combination of the two. Darnold has some polishing he needs to his overall game but hes got the goods.
RE: Darnold and his fumbles  
mdc1 : 11/18/2017 9:30 pm : link
In comment 13696213 jeff57 said:
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Shades of Kerry Collins.


or a more modern variant Jay Cutler
Theres the Darnold laser throw  
Sammo85 : 11/18/2017 9:31 pm : link
He can zip it when he wants. Little Favresque.
RE: RE: Slide! Don't go  
AnishPatel : 11/18/2017 9:31 pm : link
In comment 13696212 McNally's_Nuts said:
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In comment 13696202 AnishPatel said:


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head first. Good mobility though.



Reminds me of Eli.

Goofy fumbling indeed


Didn't eli try sliding and on the way down fumble? It was against the Eagles I believe.
Rosen  
adambear : 11/18/2017 9:31 pm : link
has better arm talent and pure QB ability in my opinion.

Darnold's mobility is not good enough to make up for that (altohugh he's a pretty good pocket QB as well). He has Mark Sanchez/Ryan Fitzpatrick level mobility, not Prescott/Rodgers type mobility.

I'd rather have the pocket passer
RE: Darnold and his fumbles  
mdc1 : 11/18/2017 9:31 pm : link
In comment 13696213 jeff57 said:
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Shades of Kerry Collins.


or Eli. what's the fucking difference.
RE: Darnold and his fumbles  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2017 9:31 pm : link
In comment 13696213 jeff57 said:
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Shades of Kerry Collins.


Have you not noticed the QB we have on Sunday's?

I mean, the man did play bowling with the football just last week.
Impressive throw there  
Jay on the Island : 11/18/2017 9:31 pm : link
despite the incompletion.
Darnold to me  
WillVAB : 11/18/2017 9:33 pm : link
Looks like a shitty version of Philip Rivers.
RE: Darnold  
adamg : 11/18/2017 9:34 pm : link
In comment 13696199 WillVAB said:
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I dont like anything about his game. IMO hes a bust if he comes out.


Anyone you actually like?
Here we go with the BBI scout(s)  
djm : 11/18/2017 9:35 pm : link
Absolutely hating or loving a collegiate player.

No one really knows for sure. Just know that and it's fine.
Rosen  
djm : 11/18/2017 9:36 pm : link
Really does have some arm. Accurate too.
RE: RE: Darnold  
WillVAB : 11/18/2017 9:37 pm : link
In comment 13696227 adamg said:
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In comment 13696199 WillVAB said:


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I dont like anything about his game. IMO hes a bust if he comes out.



Anyone you actually like?


Id rank them

Rosen
Rudolph
Mayfield
Darnold
Jackson

But thats just my opinion obviously. Rosen looks really good just seems like an injury risk.
That INT is something I've seen from Darnold a ton of times.  
yatqb : 11/18/2017 9:37 pm : link
He can be a gunslinger, both in a good and bad way.
That was fucking atrocious  
B in ALB : 11/18/2017 9:37 pm : link
Darnold with another TO.

Panicky throw. Ugly.
Dog shit throw by Darnold  
WillVAB : 11/18/2017 9:38 pm : link
.
Bad decision  
Sammo85 : 11/18/2017 9:38 pm : link
By Darnold
Bad  
AcidTest : 11/18/2017 9:39 pm : link
throw. it happens.
RE: RE: RE: Slide! Don't go  
McNally's_Nuts : 11/18/2017 9:39 pm : link
In comment 13696219 AnishPatel said:
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In comment 13696212 McNally's_Nuts said:


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In comment 13696202 AnishPatel said:


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head first. Good mobility though.



Reminds me of Eli.

Goofy fumbling indeed



Didn't eli try sliding and on the way down fumble? It was against the Eagles I believe.


Yes. He also did it two years in a row against the Eagles on Sunday night. 2009 AND 2010
Rosen is  
adambear : 11/18/2017 9:39 pm : link
thoroughly outplaying Darnold.

If he's focused and dedicated, puts on 5-10 lbs of muscle, I don't see how he doesn't go #1. Plus I doubt Darnold comes out.
RE: Rosen is  
WillVAB : 11/18/2017 9:41 pm : link
In comment 13696244 adambear said:
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thoroughly outplaying Darnold.

If he's focused and dedicated, puts on 5-10 lbs of muscle, I don't see how he doesn't go #1. Plus I doubt Darnold comes out.


Yep plus Rosen is facing a decent defense while Darnold is facing one of the worst defenses in college football.
Great throw under  
adambear : 11/18/2017 9:42 pm : link
pressure there. I'm trying to think of who he reminds me of
Nice throw by Rosen  
WillVAB : 11/18/2017 9:42 pm : link
While taking a big hit.
Rosen put that one on target  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 9:42 pm : link
while getting hammered
Fumble there  
adambear : 11/18/2017 9:43 pm : link
Not great.
Rosen's arm strength  
Jay on the Island : 11/18/2017 9:43 pm : link
is so impressive. This kid can wing it.
Rosen fumble  
Sammo85 : 11/18/2017 9:43 pm : link
Does BBI think he sucks too now?

Maybe hell stay another year now too?
I gotta say  
adambear : 11/18/2017 9:44 pm : link
it's nice watching competent QB play that isn't smoke and mirrors in college ball.
3rd and 12  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2017 9:44 pm : link
Rosen has a rusher coming dead at him, stand in there, makes the throw for a first down.

This UCLA offensive line is really not that good when you watch them. He is clearly playing with inferior talent around him compared to USC.
Bigtime  
adambear : 11/18/2017 9:45 pm : link
pocket movement and throw by Darnold
Now there's a WOW throw.  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2017 9:46 pm : link
Followed up by a brain fart.
Incredible throw  
McNally's_Nuts : 11/18/2017 9:46 pm : link
Right there, unbelievable
Terrible awareness  
bubba0825 : 11/18/2017 9:46 pm : link
By Darnold
Good play  
adambear : 11/18/2017 9:46 pm : link
but dumb play there. Looks like he bit his tongue too lol
nice moves...poor decision making.  
guitarguybs12 : 11/18/2017 9:46 pm : link
.
Rosen reminds me of a young Eli  
beatrixkiddo : 11/18/2017 9:47 pm : link
With his poise in the pocket, fearless to take hits and always keeping his eyes down the field looking for the open guy. But wth a different arm, his arm is more similar to Rodgers, he is more accurate and hits guys in stride impressively. I want this kid to be eh next Giant QB, if that means we need to trade up a spot or two, I hope they consider it. Kid is the most sure thing among all these college QBs IMO.
USC OL is terrible  
Sammo85 : 11/18/2017 9:48 pm : link
They cant pass block to save their life.
Not a good play by Darnold there  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2017 9:48 pm : link
gotta get those points young fella. Can't end the half like that.
RE: Now there's a WOW throw.  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2017 9:49 pm : link
In comment 13696258 bceagle05 said:
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Followed up by a brain fart.


Darnold does seem to have a bunch of Eli type tendencies out there good and bad. Not sure what to make of this.
One  
AcidTest : 11/18/2017 9:49 pm : link
TO apiece. Rosen made a great throw despite a big hit.

Fantastic throw by Darnold.

But QBs have been extremely impressive. These are young men on a national stage playing at an NFL level.
This is legit good qb play  
Emil : 11/18/2017 9:49 pm : link
Both these guys have potential to be the real deal. I see the argument about Darnold needing another year. Wonder if sitting behind Eli for a year would help.
Unless  
ryanmkeane : 11/18/2017 9:54 pm : link
Rosen somehow totally screws up the combine process, have to think he goes #1. Darnold would be an excellent consolation prize.
Rosen is  
cokeduplt : 11/18/2017 9:54 pm : link
Winning me over big time in this game. I️ definitely hope hes a giant. I would be ok with Darnold as well
That being said  
ryanmkeane : 11/18/2017 9:54 pm : link
we could easily have the #1 pick outright.
Mayfield still looks better than these two  
B in ALB : 11/18/2017 9:56 pm : link
That being said, these defenses are playing much faster and have more pro potential than some of the B12 joke defenses. Especially USC.

SO Rosen is playing relatively well, while Darnold is slightly behind. Plus, Darnold has better talent around him.

But if anyone thinks any of these guys are plug and play at the next level you're outta your gourd. They're all projects to a point.
Rosen is the pride of the tribe  
bubba0825 : 11/18/2017 10:00 pm : link
Would prefer to have him over darnold
RE: Mayfield still looks better than these two  
WillVAB : 11/18/2017 10:02 pm : link
In comment 13696277 B in ALB said:
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That being said, these defenses are playing much faster and have more pro potential than some of the B12 joke defenses. Especially USC.

SO Rosen is playing relatively well, while Darnold is slightly behind. Plus, Darnold has better talent around him.

But if anyone thinks any of these guys are plug and play at the next level you're outta your gourd. They're all projects to a point.


Mayfield looks good but I cant help but think hes one of these guys thats a beast in college but sucks in the pros. Its like he could be Brees at the next level or he could be Colt McCoy.
RE: Rosen is  
WillVAB : 11/18/2017 10:03 pm : link
In comment 13696274 cokeduplt said:
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Winning me over big time in this game. I️ definitely hope hes a giant. I would be ok with Darnold as well


Update your iPhone bro.
RE: RE: Mayfield still looks better than these two  
B in ALB : 11/18/2017 10:06 pm : link
In comment 13696282 WillVAB said:
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In comment 13696277 B in ALB said:


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That being said, these defenses are playing much faster and have more pro potential than some of the B12 joke defenses. Especially USC.

SO Rosen is playing relatively well, while Darnold is slightly behind. Plus, Darnold has better talent around him.

But if anyone thinks any of these guys are plug and play at the next level you're outta your gourd. They're all projects to a point.



Mayfield looks good but I cant help but think hes one of these guys thats a beast in college but sucks in the pros. Its like he could be Brees at the next level or he could be Colt McCoy.


Could be. It's a shame that there's no clear cut #1 or #2 pick The year that the Giants suck the big white mint. Figures.

I'm not crazy impressed with any of these guys.

If Reese is retained he'll probably pick Chubb anyways.
The USC kicker threw a huge hit  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 10:08 pm : link
to start the 2nd half
That kicker  
adambear : 11/18/2017 10:08 pm : link
tackle was dope.


Gotta be honest, enjoying watching good college QB play, but it's also very weird to be very seriously scouting for our next QB. Gonna miss Eli.
#42 on USC defense  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2017 10:11 pm : link
is having a nice little game for himself.
Y'all see Rosen throw that screen?  
B in ALB : 11/18/2017 10:16 pm : link
Eli would have rifled that shit into the RBs facemask for a pick.
Rosen would be like one of those classic mad bomber QBs  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 10:16 pm : link
the Raiders used to have when Al Davis was the owner
To add to that thought, you don't want Rosen in a WCO  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 10:17 pm : link
you want him in a Gilbride offense
UCLA  
WillVAB : 11/18/2017 10:18 pm : link
Should go to the TE here
RE: #42 on USC defense  
jeff57 : 11/18/2017 10:19 pm : link
In comment 13696298 BigBlueinChicago said:
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is having a nice little game for himself.


Impressive performance.
These official reviews in college are out of hand  
jeff57 : 11/18/2017 10:20 pm : link
.
I also don't think Darnold fits a west coast offense either  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 10:20 pm : link
Get a head coach who likes to throw deep with either of these guys
Looked like  
yankeeslover : 11/18/2017 10:21 pm : link
current ELI there
Rosen throws a pick in the end zone  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 10:21 pm : link
crossing pattern; west coast offense type pick
Terrible  
AcidTest : 11/18/2017 10:22 pm : link
throw by Rosen.
RE: UCLA  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2017 10:22 pm : link
In comment 13696308 WillVAB said:
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Should go to the TE here


Rosen was right along with you there. Nice play by the USC defense for the INT.
As of now I would rather have Webb and Barkley  
robbieballs2003 : 11/18/2017 10:22 pm : link
.
We have a long way out before  
AnishPatel : 11/18/2017 10:22 pm : link
all that. We still have to fire and hire people. Let's see what the new coach wants to run.
RE: To add to that thought, you don't want Rosen in a WCO  
WillVAB : 11/18/2017 10:22 pm : link
In comment 13696305 dpinzow said:
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you want him in a Gilbride offense


Doesnt have to be a Gilbride offense but I think hed be lethal in a play action heavy offense with a good running game.
RE: To add to that thought, you don't want Rosen in a WCO  
Reb8thVA : 11/18/2017 10:22 pm : link
In comment 13696305 dpinzow said:
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you want him in a Gilbride offense


Good, I want to shitcan McAdoos popgun offense anyway.
RE: Rosen would be like one of those classic mad bomber QBs  
AcidTest : 11/18/2017 10:23 pm : link
In comment 13696304 dpinzow said:
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the Raiders used to have when Al Davis was the owner


Like Daryl Lamonica?
Sorry.....  
Massgman : 11/18/2017 10:24 pm : link
As of right now I say we give Webb a look
RE: I also don't think Darnold fits a west coast offense either  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2017 10:24 pm : link
In comment 13696311 dpinzow said:
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Get a head coach who likes to throw deep with either of these guys


That's going to be key where every they go at the top.

The deep ball and downfield passing is their biggest strength.

But I can see a team taking them and breaking them down and making them play in this 6 yard, quick throw, quick slant offense where they are being restricted and thus, never reach their full potential.

Don't underestimate the amount of bad coaching that exists in the NFL.
Thats the bad with Rosen  
Sammo85 : 11/18/2017 10:24 pm : link
Forcing bad decisions.
RE: #42 on USC defense  
markky : 11/18/2017 10:26 pm : link
In comment 13696298 BigBlueinChicago said:
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is having a nice little game for himself.


Ronnie Lott?
My take from only seeing them this game.  
robbieballs2003 : 11/18/2017 10:28 pm : link
If Rosen is going to succeed he needs a good OL in today's NFL. I like that he stands tall in the pocket but OLs are just not good. There are few OPs in todays NFL that can give Rosen the pocket he needs to succeed. He does a lot of things well though.

I love Darnold's ability to buy time but there is so much he needs to learn like taking a snap under center, working on his drops frok under center, calling a play, etc. The potential is there but he definitely needs another year in college.

To me, I will roll the dice with Webb. I think he is a great combination of both of these QBs in terms of standing tall in the pocket, having a big arm, and being able to buy time when needed. I like Webb's upside.
RE: RE: #42 on USC defense  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2017 10:30 pm : link
In comment 13696325 markky said:
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In comment 13696298 BigBlueinChicago said:


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is having a nice little game for himself.



Ronnie Lott?


Not quite. But his name is Uchenna Nwosu. Combo DE/OLB that was projected last month to be a top 75 pick.

Nwosu  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2017 10:33 pm : link
reminding me a little bit of Osi Umenyiora.
There is no way the Giants are not picking a QB  
Toastt34 : 11/18/2017 10:35 pm : link
in the Top 3 because of Davis Webb.
RE: My take from only seeing them this game.  
AcidTest : 11/18/2017 10:35 pm : link
In comment 13696326 robbieballs2003 said:
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If Rosen is going to succeed he needs a good OL in today's NFL. I like that he stands tall in the pocket but OLs are just not good. There are few OPs in todays NFL that can give Rosen the pocket he needs to succeed. He does a lot of things well though.

I love Darnold's ability to buy time but there is so much he needs to learn like taking a snap under center, working on his drops frok under center, calling a play, etc. The potential is there but he definitely needs another year in college.

To me, I will roll the dice with Webb. I think he is a great combination of both of these QBs in terms of standing tall in the pocket, having a big arm, and being able to buy time when needed. I like Webb's upside.


Excellent analysis. The proliferation of spread offenses in college is destroying OL play in the NFL. None of these guys is guaranteed success. The NFL graveyard is littered with first round QBs who never amounted to anything.

But whether to a first round pick on a QB is the most important decision for the Giants since the trade for Eli. The likelihood of that happening increases with a new regime.
Hard to tell how good  
beatrixkiddo : 11/18/2017 10:35 pm : link
He is with what he is going against though. The LT just blew his assignment and gave him a free trip untouched to the QB, and that wasnt the first time hes done it this game.
RE: There is no way the Giants are not picking a QB  
AcidTest : 11/18/2017 10:38 pm : link
In comment 13696334 Toastt34 said:
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in the Top 3 because of Davis Webb.


I agree they would probably take Rosen or Darnold, but they won't have the chance if Rosen goes #1 to the Browns, and Darnold stays in school.

The Giants may not think any other QB is worth a top five pick.
RE: There is no way the Giants are not picking a QB  
robbieballs2003 : 11/18/2017 10:38 pm : link
In comment 13696334 Toastt34 said:
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in the Top 3 because of Davis Webb.


I never said the Giants arent picking a QB because of Webb. I said I am not thrilled with either guy right now. Big difference. I am not drafting a QB just to draft a QB.
Brilliant drive by Rosen after falling down 21-7  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 10:46 pm : link
7 plays, 79 yards in 2:35
To me I like Rosen better then Darnold  
montanagiant : 11/18/2017 10:47 pm : link
That is a beautiful accurate ball he throws
Wow  
adamg : 11/18/2017 10:48 pm : link
What a horrible act by that receiver. He like said something very mean to another player... 15 yards please ref. thanks
RE: Wow  
B in ALB : 11/18/2017 10:50 pm : link
In comment 13696343 adamg said:
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What a horrible act by that receiver. He like said something very mean to another player... 15 yards please ref. thanks


Ridiculous penalty. Rivalry game. He called him a bitch.

Flag.

Gimme a fucking break.
Rosen reminds me a lot...  
wma31 : 11/18/2017 10:50 pm : link
of watching Eli at Ole Miss. Strong arm and presence who was stuck with a poor supporting class.

The kid just knows how to fling it in tight spots. Darnold is impressive, as well. I almost feel though he could use another year in college.

Regardless, both are impressive.
RE: To me I like Rosen better then Darnold  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2017 10:54 pm : link
In comment 13696342 montanagiant said:
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That is a beautiful accurate ball he throws


Rosen appears to be the type of guy who would complete 65% of his passes because of his natural ability as an accurate passer as opposed to being a "system QB" where the kind of throws that are given artificially inflates the numbers.

BTW...there is an incredible talent gap with these two teams. How the hell is this game this close right now?

3RD AND 10  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2017 10:57 pm : link
Rosen has open receiver. Would have had the first down if he would have led him to the ball.

Receiver may have slightly overran the route as Rosen appeared to be throwing to a spot.

RE: RE: To me I like Rosen better then Darnold  
montanagiant : 11/18/2017 10:59 pm : link
In comment 13696348 BigBlueinChicago said:
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In comment 13696342 montanagiant said:


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That is a beautiful accurate ball he throws



Rosen appears to be the type of guy who would complete 65% of his passes because of his natural ability as an accurate passer as opposed to being a "system QB" where the kind of throws that are given artificially inflates the numbers.

BTW...there is an incredible talent gap with these two teams. How the hell is this game this close right now?

And he is so poised while doing it all. Really impressed me in this game
If Rosen looks this good throwing to this #2 WR on their team  
nyjuggernaut2 : 11/18/2017 11:14 pm : link
imagine how good he'll be throwing to Beckham!
Very quiet game for Darnold.  
81_Great_Dane : 11/18/2017 11:23 pm : link
I've been reading he'll stay in school, and off this game that seems like the right decision.
And of course Darnold marches them down the field  
81_Great_Dane : 11/18/2017 11:26 pm : link
with a series of excellent passes.
RE: If Rosen looks this good throwing to this #2 WR on their team  
montanagiant : 11/18/2017 11:41 pm : link
In comment 13696360 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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imagine how good he'll be throwing to Beckham!

Think if he had a running game that was at least average
That Rosen throw to the corner of the end zone  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 11:43 pm : link
as good as it gets
Rosen and the deep ball  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2017 11:43 pm : link
man can he throw that beautifully

I'm in  
adambear : 11/18/2017 11:45 pm : link
on Rosen. Like I said, lol
That was just beautiful  
montanagiant : 11/18/2017 11:45 pm : link
That's our guy, just like Eli he's got that killer ice in his system come crunch time
If it's a Rosen - Darnold conversation  
B in ALB : 11/18/2017 11:49 pm : link
Gimme Rosen.

That said. Big concerns about his durability. And if the party boy rumors are true, NY isn't going to help at all.

Pretty underwhelmed tonight. Plenty of mistakes by both QBs. Plenty of really good plays.

Can't have that trade-off in the nfl.

Not overly impressed by either candidate.
RE: RE: Rosen would be like one of those classic mad bomber QBs  
gtt350 : 11/18/2017 11:54 pm : link
In comment 13696321 AcidTest said:
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In comment 13696304 dpinzow said:


Daryl Lamonica was one of the most entertaining QB's to play the game



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the Raiders used to have when Al Davis was the owner



Like Daryl Lamonica?
Very concerning that Rosen is a loser alongside good talent...  
BurberryManning : 11/19/2017 12:00 am : link
Recruiting rankings (rivals)
2017- 22
2016- 12
2015- 13
2014- 18

The recruiting services demonstrate the quality of athletes that UCLA has consistently brought in, alongside Rosen, however the Bruins are in real danger of ending this season with a losing record. In fact, if UCLA drops their next game it would mark the first consecutive season of losing records in multiple decades. Rosen presided over each....concerning to say the least
RE: Very concerning that Rosen is a loser alongside good talent...  
montanagiant : 11/19/2017 1:00 am : link
In comment 13696384 BurberryManning said:
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Recruiting rankings (rivals)
2017- 22
2016- 12
2015- 13
2014- 18

The recruiting services demonstrate the quality of athletes that UCLA has consistently brought in, alongside Rosen, however the Bruins are in real danger of ending this season with a losing record. In fact, if UCLA drops their next game it would mark the first consecutive season of losing records in multiple decades. Rosen presided over each....concerning to say the least

I completely disagree. There was an obvious talent differential in this game tonight and the one factor that gave UCLA any chance was Rosen. Rating a signing class without taking into account how they ended up is a bit misleading IMO
Rosen,Darnold,etc.  
Marty866b : 11/19/2017 1:08 am : link
Rosen is far ahead of Darnold at this juncture. He has lots more experience at the position and makes his reads and decisions much faster. As I stated before the game, Rosen throws the ball the way most NFL quarterbacks wished they could. Darnold is more athletic,durable, and from what I read,more coachable. A year behind Eli would be wonderful. Rosen could come in and start,if needed.
For those who are unimpressed with both,these two quarterbacks are much better prospects then any quarterback in last year's draft. Josh Rosen would be a top 5 pick in any draft.
RE: Rosen,Darnold,etc.  
montanagiant : 11/19/2017 1:31 am : link
In comment 13696401 Marty866b said:
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Rosen is far ahead of Darnold at this juncture. He has lots more experience at the position and makes his reads and decisions much faster. As I stated before the game, Rosen throws the ball the way most NFL quarterbacks wished they could. Darnold is more athletic,durable, and from what I read,more coachable. A year behind Eli would be wonderful. Rosen could come in and start,if needed.
For those who are unimpressed with both,these two quarterbacks are much better prospects then any quarterback in last year's draft. Josh Rosen would be a top 5 pick in any draft.

I agree. Good post
RE: Rosen reminds me a lot...  
jeff57 : 11/19/2017 5:40 am : link
In comment 13696347 wma31 said:
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of watching Eli at Ole Miss. Strong arm and presence who was stuck with a poor supporting class.

The kid just knows how to fling it in tight spots. Darnold is impressive, as well. I almost feel though he could use another year in college.

Regardless, both are impressive.


I've compared him to Eli as well.
RE: Very concerning that Rosen is a loser alongside good talent...  
jeff57 : 11/19/2017 5:42 am : link
In comment 13696384 BurberryManning said:
Quote:
Recruiting rankings (rivals)
2017- 22
2016- 12
2015- 13
2014- 18

The recruiting services demonstrate the quality of athletes that UCLA has consistently brought in, alongside Rosen, however the Bruins are in real danger of ending this season with a losing record. In fact, if UCLA drops their next game it would mark the first consecutive season of losing records in multiple decades. Rosen presided over each....concerning to say the least


Their defense is a joke. And Mora's likely to get canned.
RE: My take from only seeing them this game.  
Brown Recluse : 11/19/2017 6:42 am : link
In comment 13696326 robbieballs2003 said:
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If Rosen is going to succeed he needs a good OL in today's NFL. I like that he stands tall in the pocket but OLs are just not good. There are few OPs in todays NFL that can give Rosen the pocket he needs to succeed. He does a lot of things well though.

I love Darnold's ability to buy time but there is so much he needs to learn like taking a snap under center, working on his drops frok under center, calling a play, etc. The potential is there but he definitely needs another year in college.

To me, I will roll the dice with Webb. I think he is a great combination of both of these QBs in terms of standing tall in the pocket, having a big arm, and being able to buy time when needed. I like Webb's upside.


Although Id like to see Webb in action first, I could get behind this. Id try to bring in a few OL via free agency and draft the RB with my first pick.
RE: Very concerning that Rosen is a loser alongside good talent...  
Emil : 11/19/2017 7:09 am : link
In comment 13696384 BurberryManning said:
Quote:
Recruiting rankings (rivals)
2017- 22
2016- 12
2015- 13
2014- 18

The recruiting services demonstrate the quality of athletes that UCLA has consistently brought in, alongside Rosen, however the Bruins are in real danger of ending this season with a losing record. In fact, if UCLA drops their next game it would mark the first consecutive season of losing records in multiple decades. Rosen presided over each....concerning to say the least


UCLA's defense gives up 300 yards a game on the ground. It's amazing they even have 5 wins. I have not watched all of UCLA's games, but if you go back to the first game of the season again Texas A&M (the 34pt comeback game) you'll see how Rosen has been overcoming the weaknesses of what is a very incomplete football team.
having Rosen the face of the NY Football Giants for 10 years  
gtt350 : 11/19/2017 7:23 am : link
will be hard to tske. shots on the sidelines will be lampooned
RE: Very concerning that Rosen is a loser alongside good talent...  
Jon in NYC : 11/19/2017 7:29 am : link
In comment 13696384 BurberryManning said:
Quote:
Recruiting rankings (rivals)
2017- 22
2016- 12
2015- 13
2014- 18

The recruiting services demonstrate the quality of athletes that UCLA has consistently brought in, alongside Rosen, however the Bruins are in real danger of ending this season with a losing record. In fact, if UCLA drops their next game it would mark the first consecutive season of losing records in multiple decades. Rosen presided over each....concerning to say the least


I'd be careful equating talent with recruiting rankings.
RE: I'm Jewish  
NikkiMac : 11/19/2017 7:35 am : link
In comment 13696080 adambear said:
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and would love a jewish player to root for. It's pretty simple lol
f

Thats nice to know Im catholic Im pretty sure Rosen isnt Jewish !
I want a Buddist  
Doomster : 11/19/2017 8:03 am : link
for a QB, since Mac may still be here.....

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RE: RE: I'm Jewish  
Jon in NYC : 11/19/2017 8:26 am : link
In comment 13696434 NikkiMac said:
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and would love a jewish player to root for. It's pretty simple lol

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Thats nice to know Im catholic Im pretty sure Rosen isnt Jewish !


A simple google search would prove you wrong.
Just don't see Rosen taking the 16-week pounding  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/19/2017 9:18 am : link
Especially behind this offensive line.

You can see where Darnold needs work, especially on out balls from the far hash. Long-term I still see him as the better prospect.

Still think the Giants take Chubb or Arden Key.
RE: RE: Very concerning that Rosen is a loser alongside good talent...  
BurberryManning : 11/19/2017 9:26 am : link
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Recruiting rankings (rivals)
2017- 22
2016- 12
2015- 13
2014- 18

The recruiting services demonstrate the quality of athletes that UCLA has consistently brought in, alongside Rosen, however the Bruins are in real danger of ending this season with a losing record. In fact, if UCLA drops their next game it would mark the first consecutive season of losing records in multiple decades. Rosen presided over each....concerning to say the least


I completely disagree. There was an obvious talent differential in this game tonight and the one factor that gave UCLA any chance was Rosen. Rating a signing class without taking into account how they ended up is a bit misleading IMO

Sure, we could view UCLAs talent within the context of their competition- the P12 South or the broader P12. Im a fan of a particular P12 South school, not located within the state of California, so Im familiar with the talent levels typical at each school. The perception of UCLA has been that its a place where great talent goes to languish in mediocrity. Its probably an indictment of Mora more than anything else but other than USC and perhaps Washington, any team in the conference would gladly take the talent that UCLA brings in every year. Youre just not going to convince any fans of ASU, Arizona, Colorado, or Utah that their talent is in the same zip code as UCLA. Not to mention the perennial bottom feeders in the North. Simply put, Rosen is typically throwing to, getting blocked for, and handing the ball off to better athletes than his counterparts on any given Saturday.
My opinion is that Rosen is a legitimate 1st Rounder  
PatersonPlank : 11/19/2017 9:30 am : link
Outside of him, when all is said and done in my opinion, I think its possible that the others aren't even considered 1st rounders. If we don't get Rosen I would rather get Barkley in Rd 1 and then cross our fingers/toes for the OT from Texas, the OT from ND, or the G in the ND high in the 2nd. I could live with Rosen even though we have Webb, even though I still don't like spending top picks in back to back drafts on a QB who will just do nothing but sit. We have a lot of holes
RE: RE: Very concerning that Rosen is a loser alongside good talent...  
BurberryManning : 11/19/2017 9:32 am : link
In comment 13696433 Jon in NYC said:
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Recruiting rankings (rivals)
2017- 22
2016- 12
2015- 13
2014- 18

The recruiting services demonstrate the quality of athletes that UCLA has consistently brought in, alongside Rosen, however the Bruins are in real danger of ending this season with a losing record. In fact, if UCLA drops their next game it would mark the first consecutive season of losing records in multiple decades. Rosen presided over each....concerning to say the least



I'd be careful equating talent with recruiting rankings.
Recruiting rankings are clearly not the end all, be all...otherwise the championships would be awarded each February (although many fan bases make it seem that way)...but I dont think anyone would suggest that there is not a strong correlation between recruiting rankings and results. At the end of the day, if a particular school is filling their roster with players that chose that particular institution over many others that have offered (a huge input into the rankings) then its intuitive to expect that school to have better talent.
Might deserve its own thread, but UCLA fires Mora Jr  
dpinzow : 11/19/2017 2:08 pm : link
Just now
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