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College GameDay (Darnold vs. Rosen at 8PM)

Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/18/2017 9:45 am
Sadly, the most important game for Giants fans to watch this weekend is at 8PM tonight when Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen take the field in the same game.
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RE: RE: Mayfield still looks better than these two  
B in ALB : 11/18/2017 10:06 pm : link
In comment 13696282 WillVAB said:
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That being said, these defenses are playing much faster and have more pro potential than some of the B12 joke defenses. Especially USC.

SO Rosen is playing relatively well, while Darnold is slightly behind. Plus, Darnold has better talent around him.

But if anyone thinks any of these guys are plug and play at the next level you're outta your gourd. They're all projects to a point.



Mayfield looks good but I can’t help but think he’s one of these guys that’s a beast in college but sucks in the pros. It’s like he could be Brees at the next level or he could be Colt McCoy.


Could be. It's a shame that there's no clear cut #1 or #2 pick The year that the Giants suck the big white mint. Figures.

I'm not crazy impressed with any of these guys.

If Reese is retained he'll probably pick Chubb anyways.
The USC kicker threw a huge hit  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 10:08 pm : link
to start the 2nd half
That kicker  
adambear : 11/18/2017 10:08 pm : link
tackle was dope.


Gotta be honest, enjoying watching good college QB play, but it's also very weird to be very seriously scouting for our next QB. Gonna miss Eli.
#42 on USC defense  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2017 10:11 pm : link
is having a nice little game for himself.
Y'all see Rosen throw that screen?  
B in ALB : 11/18/2017 10:16 pm : link
Eli would have rifled that shit into the RBs facemask for a pick.
Rosen would be like one of those classic mad bomber QBs  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 10:16 pm : link
the Raiders used to have when Al Davis was the owner
To add to that thought, you don't want Rosen in a WCO  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 10:17 pm : link
you want him in a Gilbride offense
UCLA  
WillVAB : 11/18/2017 10:18 pm : link
Should go to the TE here
RE: #42 on USC defense  
jeff57 : 11/18/2017 10:19 pm : link
In comment 13696298 BigBlueinChicago said:
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is having a nice little game for himself.


Impressive performance.
These official reviews in college are out of hand  
jeff57 : 11/18/2017 10:20 pm : link
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I also don't think Darnold fits a west coast offense either  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 10:20 pm : link
Get a head coach who likes to throw deep with either of these guys
Looked like  
yankeeslover : 11/18/2017 10:21 pm : link
current ELI there
Rosen throws a pick in the end zone  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 10:21 pm : link
crossing pattern; west coast offense type pick
Terrible  
AcidTest : 11/18/2017 10:22 pm : link
throw by Rosen.
RE: UCLA  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2017 10:22 pm : link
In comment 13696308 WillVAB said:
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Should go to the TE here


Rosen was right along with you there. Nice play by the USC defense for the INT.
As of now I would rather have Webb and Barkley  
robbieballs2003 : 11/18/2017 10:22 pm : link
.
We have a long way out before  
AnishPatel : 11/18/2017 10:22 pm : link
all that. We still have to fire and hire people. Let's see what the new coach wants to run.
RE: To add to that thought, you don't want Rosen in a WCO  
WillVAB : 11/18/2017 10:22 pm : link
In comment 13696305 dpinzow said:
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you want him in a Gilbride offense


Doesn’t have to be a Gilbride offense but I think he’d be lethal in a play action heavy offense with a good running game.
RE: To add to that thought, you don't want Rosen in a WCO  
Reb8thVA : 11/18/2017 10:22 pm : link
In comment 13696305 dpinzow said:
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you want him in a Gilbride offense


Good, I want to shitcan McAdoo’s popgun offense anyway.
RE: Rosen would be like one of those classic mad bomber QBs  
AcidTest : 11/18/2017 10:23 pm : link
In comment 13696304 dpinzow said:
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the Raiders used to have when Al Davis was the owner


Like Daryl Lamonica?
Sorry.....  
Massgman : 11/18/2017 10:24 pm : link
As of right now I say we give Webb a look
RE: I also don't think Darnold fits a west coast offense either  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2017 10:24 pm : link
In comment 13696311 dpinzow said:
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Get a head coach who likes to throw deep with either of these guys


That's going to be key where every they go at the top.

The deep ball and downfield passing is their biggest strength.

But I can see a team taking them and breaking them down and making them play in this 6 yard, quick throw, quick slant offense where they are being restricted and thus, never reach their full potential.

Don't underestimate the amount of bad coaching that exists in the NFL.
That’s the bad with Rosen  
Sammo85 : 11/18/2017 10:24 pm : link
Forcing bad decisions.
RE: #42 on USC defense  
markky : 11/18/2017 10:26 pm : link
In comment 13696298 BigBlueinChicago said:
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is having a nice little game for himself.


Ronnie Lott?
My take from only seeing them this game.  
robbieballs2003 : 11/18/2017 10:28 pm : link
If Rosen is going to succeed he needs a good OL in today's NFL. I like that he stands tall in the pocket but OLs are just not good. There are few OPs in todays NFL that can give Rosen the pocket he needs to succeed. He does a lot of things well though.

I love Darnold's ability to buy time but there is so much he needs to learn like taking a snap under center, working on his drops frok under center, calling a play, etc. The potential is there but he definitely needs another year in college.

To me, I will roll the dice with Webb. I think he is a great combination of both of these QBs in terms of standing tall in the pocket, having a big arm, and being able to buy time when needed. I like Webb's upside.
RE: RE: #42 on USC defense  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2017 10:30 pm : link
In comment 13696325 markky said:
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is having a nice little game for himself.



Ronnie Lott?


Not quite. But his name is Uchenna Nwosu. Combo DE/OLB that was projected last month to be a top 75 pick.

Nwosu  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2017 10:33 pm : link
reminding me a little bit of Osi Umenyiora.
There is no way the Giants are not picking a QB  
Toastt34 : 11/18/2017 10:35 pm : link
in the Top 3 because of Davis Webb.
RE: My take from only seeing them this game.  
AcidTest : 11/18/2017 10:35 pm : link
In comment 13696326 robbieballs2003 said:
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If Rosen is going to succeed he needs a good OL in today's NFL. I like that he stands tall in the pocket but OLs are just not good. There are few OPs in todays NFL that can give Rosen the pocket he needs to succeed. He does a lot of things well though.

I love Darnold's ability to buy time but there is so much he needs to learn like taking a snap under center, working on his drops frok under center, calling a play, etc. The potential is there but he definitely needs another year in college.

To me, I will roll the dice with Webb. I think he is a great combination of both of these QBs in terms of standing tall in the pocket, having a big arm, and being able to buy time when needed. I like Webb's upside.


Excellent analysis. The proliferation of spread offenses in college is destroying OL play in the NFL. None of these guys is guaranteed success. The NFL graveyard is littered with first round QBs who never amounted to anything.

But whether to a first round pick on a QB is the most important decision for the Giants since the trade for Eli. The likelihood of that happening increases with a new regime.
Hard to tell how good  
beatrixkiddo : 11/18/2017 10:35 pm : link
He is with what he is going against though. The LT just blew his assignment and gave him a free trip untouched to the QB, and that wasn’t the first time he’s done it this game.
RE: There is no way the Giants are not picking a QB  
AcidTest : 11/18/2017 10:38 pm : link
In comment 13696334 Toastt34 said:
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in the Top 3 because of Davis Webb.


I agree they would probably take Rosen or Darnold, but they won't have the chance if Rosen goes #1 to the Browns, and Darnold stays in school.

The Giants may not think any other QB is worth a top five pick.
RE: There is no way the Giants are not picking a QB  
robbieballs2003 : 11/18/2017 10:38 pm : link
In comment 13696334 Toastt34 said:
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in the Top 3 because of Davis Webb.


I never said the Giants arent picking a QB because of Webb. I said I am not thrilled with either guy right now. Big difference. I am not drafting a QB just to draft a QB.
Brilliant drive by Rosen after falling down 21-7  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 10:46 pm : link
7 plays, 79 yards in 2:35
To me I like Rosen better then Darnold  
montanagiant : 11/18/2017 10:47 pm : link
That is a beautiful accurate ball he throws
Wow  
adamg : 11/18/2017 10:48 pm : link
What a horrible act by that receiver. He like said something very mean to another player... 15 yards please ref. thanks
RE: Wow  
B in ALB : 11/18/2017 10:50 pm : link
In comment 13696343 adamg said:
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What a horrible act by that receiver. He like said something very mean to another player... 15 yards please ref. thanks


Ridiculous penalty. Rivalry game. He called him a bitch.

Flag.

Gimme a fucking break.
Rosen reminds me a lot...  
wma31 : 11/18/2017 10:50 pm : link
of watching Eli at Ole Miss. Strong arm and presence who was stuck with a poor supporting class.

The kid just knows how to fling it in tight spots. Darnold is impressive, as well. I almost feel though he could use another year in college.

Regardless, both are impressive.
RE: To me I like Rosen better then Darnold  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2017 10:54 pm : link
In comment 13696342 montanagiant said:
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That is a beautiful accurate ball he throws


Rosen appears to be the type of guy who would complete 65% of his passes because of his natural ability as an accurate passer as opposed to being a "system QB" where the kind of throws that are given artificially inflates the numbers.

BTW...there is an incredible talent gap with these two teams. How the hell is this game this close right now?

3RD AND 10  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2017 10:57 pm : link
Rosen has open receiver. Would have had the first down if he would have led him to the ball.

Receiver may have slightly overran the route as Rosen appeared to be throwing to a spot.

RE: RE: To me I like Rosen better then Darnold  
montanagiant : 11/18/2017 10:59 pm : link
In comment 13696348 BigBlueinChicago said:
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That is a beautiful accurate ball he throws



Rosen appears to be the type of guy who would complete 65% of his passes because of his natural ability as an accurate passer as opposed to being a "system QB" where the kind of throws that are given artificially inflates the numbers.

BTW...there is an incredible talent gap with these two teams. How the hell is this game this close right now?

And he is so poised while doing it all. Really impressed me in this game
If Rosen looks this good throwing to this #2 WR on their team  
nyjuggernaut2 : 11/18/2017 11:14 pm : link
imagine how good he'll be throwing to Beckham!
Very quiet game for Darnold.  
81_Great_Dane : 11/18/2017 11:23 pm : link
I've been reading he'll stay in school, and off this game that seems like the right decision.
And of course Darnold marches them down the field  
81_Great_Dane : 11/18/2017 11:26 pm : link
with a series of excellent passes.
RE: If Rosen looks this good throwing to this #2 WR on their team  
montanagiant : 11/18/2017 11:41 pm : link
In comment 13696360 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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imagine how good he'll be throwing to Beckham!

Think if he had a running game that was at least average
That Rosen throw to the corner of the end zone  
dpinzow : 11/18/2017 11:43 pm : link
as good as it gets
Rosen and the deep ball  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/18/2017 11:43 pm : link
man can he throw that beautifully

I'm in  
adambear : 11/18/2017 11:45 pm : link
on Rosen. Like I said, lol
That was just beautiful  
montanagiant : 11/18/2017 11:45 pm : link
That's our guy, just like Eli he's got that killer ice in his system come crunch time
If it's a Rosen - Darnold conversation  
B in ALB : 11/18/2017 11:49 pm : link
Gimme Rosen.

That said. Big concerns about his durability. And if the party boy rumors are true, NY isn't going to help at all.

Pretty underwhelmed tonight. Plenty of mistakes by both QBs. Plenty of really good plays.

Can't have that trade-off in the nfl.

Not overly impressed by either candidate.
RE: RE: Rosen would be like one of those classic mad bomber QBs  
gtt350 : 11/18/2017 11:54 pm : link
In comment 13696321 AcidTest said:
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In comment 13696304 dpinzow said:


Daryl Lamonica was one of the most entertaining QB's to play the game



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the Raiders used to have when Al Davis was the owner



Like Daryl Lamonica?
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