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Pelissero NFL.com: How to fix the Giants: 5 Big Questions

Defenderdawg : 11/18/2017 1:33 pm
“The sense I get is this doesn't need to be a total rebuild, but there are significant personnel issues that went largely unaddressed in the wake of last season's 11-5 finish (including eight wins by seven points or fewer). And while opposing coaches insist the Giants' effort doesn't show up as a problem on tape, there's certainly reason to question whether the right leadership is in place. Even before injuries struck, most notable to star receiver Odell Beckham Jr., the Giants were 0-5. They have to re-evaluate everything, because what they're doing isn't working.

Based on those conversations with people around the NFL, mostly conducted on condition of anonymity for competitive reasons, here's a short list of suggestions for how to get the Giants back on track...”
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Agree with all of this  
PatersonPlank : 11/18/2017 1:38 pm : link
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surprising blurb on  
Les in TO : 11/18/2017 1:47 pm : link
Flowers especially as his play improved
Quote on Flowers  
Defenderdawg : 11/18/2017 2:31 pm : link
“Though Ereck Flowers isn't the reason they're losing this season -- he has minimized how often his deficiencies show up on game day, cutting down on costly plays against him -- I've yet to speak to an opposing scout who believes he's a long-term answer at left tackle. One respected evaluator suggested trying Flowers at guard or right tackle; another exec said he'd just move on.“
Our edge rushers are stong?  
bluepepper : 11/18/2017 2:43 pm : link
Really?
Difference Maker st RB?  
Samiam : 11/18/2017 2:48 pm : link
Fix the OL and the rushing attack will be fine especially with Eli throwing to Beckham, Shep and Engram. Don’t fix the OL and Zeke Eliot wouldn’t do much behind this line.

I liked that remark about the edge rushers. I don’t think he’s watched the team all that much
There's probably a holdout coming with Flowers  
David B. : 11/18/2017 2:56 pm : link
Flowers is a tough kid who plays through injuries and has spent his whole pro career -- for better or worse, and mostly worse, at OLT He's gonna want OLT money, and I don't see how the Giants can give it to him. But then, I didn't think they should have given JPP the contract they did either.

The problem will come if they try to move Flowers to ORT or OG, he's gonna balk at that from both the position and money standpoints. OTOH, I don't know that any team will want to give him OLT money either.

He's the only guy on the OL I think they should try and keep.
They could let him walk, but he could turn into a very good player at a different position -- for either the Giants or someone else.

It's really more like a full rebuild.  
Red Dog : 11/18/2017 2:59 pm : link
In addition to the chronic issues on the OL which could be close to a total rebuild, plus a near total rebuild at LB, they have or will have a long list of other needs.

On defense, these begin with a full-blown rebuild at CB, a continuing need to find a pass-defending Safety who can actually tackle to team with Landon Collins, probably some DT depth, and probably more pass rushing DE depth.

On offense, they are going to need RB help, an effective FB (Smith has yet to prove effectiveness), and effective depth at WR even if they do re-sign Beckham.

And on special teams, they are going to need a return man, a couple of gunners, probably a new punter, possibly a new kicker, and possibly a new long snapper.

This looks more like a total rebuild to me, a task made even more difficult by the fact that they may very well use their first pick next spring on a QB.
RE: It's really more like a full rebuild.  
Sean : 11/18/2017 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13695858 Red Dog said:
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In addition to the chronic issues on the OL which could be close to a total rebuild, plus a near total rebuild at LB, they have or will have a long list of other needs.

On defense, these begin with a full-blown rebuild at CB, a continuing need to find a pass-defending Safety who can actually tackle to team with Landon Collins, probably some DT depth, and probably more pass rushing DE depth.

On offense, they are going to need RB help, an effective FB (Smith has yet to prove effectiveness), and effective depth at WR even if they do re-sign Beckham.

And on special teams, they are going to need a return man, a couple of gunners, probably a new punter, possibly a new kicker, and possibly a new long snapper.

This looks more like a total rebuild to me, a task made even more difficult by the fact that they may very well use their first pick next spring on a QB.


Full rebuilds don’t exist in the NFL. Not the way the league works in 2017. Look at the Jaguars, Rams & Saints.
More realistically it's a mix of  
idiotsavant : 11/18/2017 3:56 pm : link
Positions that really need improvement with those who will function better in a greatly rationalised roster with much better coaching.

But I don't trust current management to see which are which.
Their needs are  
Doomster : 11/18/2017 4:07 pm : link
DE, LB's, FS, CB, PLUS backups at numerous positions, on Defense....

Offense, min of 4 OLmen, RB, #2 WR, and a decision has to be made on what direction we go with QB position.....

In a perfect world, you get replacements for all.....but realistically, you are lucky if you can find half of those guys, and the rest of the positions, you just fill with bodies and hope for the best.....

The big question still is, who is going to make these decisions?
If they don't like Darnold or Rosen  
David B. : 11/18/2017 4:41 pm : link
They could trade down and get a lot more picks -- typically at least 1 and 3 this year, and a 1 next year.

You can fix things quicker that way, but they should probably take Darnold or Rosen. The chance to draft guys like them without giving up the farm don't often.
RE: Our edge rushers are stong?  
81_Great_Dane : 11/18/2017 6:12 pm : link
In comment 13695842 bluepepper said:
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Really?
Very strong. Just not so good at actual, you know, rushing.
RE: RE: It's really more like a full rebuild.  
FStubbs : 11/19/2017 9:38 am : link
In comment 13695860 Sean said:
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In comment 13695858 Red Dog said:


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In addition to the chronic issues on the OL which could be close to a total rebuild, plus a near total rebuild at LB, they have or will have a long list of other needs.

On defense, these begin with a full-blown rebuild at CB, a continuing need to find a pass-defending Safety who can actually tackle to team with Landon Collins, probably some DT depth, and probably more pass rushing DE depth.

On offense, they are going to need RB help, an effective FB (Smith has yet to prove effectiveness), and effective depth at WR even if they do re-sign Beckham.

And on special teams, they are going to need a return man, a couple of gunners, probably a new punter, possibly a new kicker, and possibly a new long snapper.

This looks more like a total rebuild to me, a task made even more difficult by the fact that they may very well use their first pick next spring on a QB.



Full rebuilds don’t exist in the NFL. Not the way the league works in 2017. Look at the Jaguars, Rams & Saints.


The Jaguars and Rams probably count as full rebuilds since they stockpiled highly drafted players for years.
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