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Lamar Jackson

DanMetroMan : 11/18/2017 7:10 pm
Admittedly not a NCAA watcher but dayum... is it a given he can't be a big time NFL QB?
The knock on him is consistent accuracy  
larryflower37 : 11/18/2017 7:17 pm : link
IMO he is going to be a hell of an NFL QB.
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Jay on the Island : 11/18/2017 7:24 pm : link
Can he stay healthy with his style of play? Also how does he compare to Deshaun Watson?
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OdellBeckhamJr : 11/18/2017 7:32 pm : link
In comment 13696019 Jay on the Island said:
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Can he stay healthy with his style of play? Also how does he compare to Deshaun Watson?


Not as good, he's improved a lot as a passer, but his deep ball isn't very accurate. His release is lightning quick
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Jay on the Island : 11/18/2017 7:40 pm : link
In comment 13696023 OdellBeckhamJr said:
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Can he stay healthy with his style of play? Also how does he compare to Deshaun Watson?



Not as good, he's improved a lot as a passer, but his deep ball isn't very accurate. His release is lightning quick

I am not knocking him but I would much rather have Darnold, Rosen, or Mayfield.
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larryflower37 : 11/18/2017 7:44 pm : link
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Can he stay healthy with his style of play? Also how does he compare to Deshaun Watson?



Not as good, he's improved a lot as a passer, but his deep ball isn't very accurate. His release is lightning quick


I am not knocking him but I would much rather have Darnold, Rosen, or Mayfield.


The Mayfield incident today knocked him down in my eyes. I know he is passionate but you don't want your QB acting that way.
RE: Question  
KeoweeFan : 11/18/2017 8:12 pm : link
In comment 13696019 Jay on the Island said:
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Can he stay healthy with his style of play? Also how does he compare to Deshaun Watson?

As a Clemson fan I'm biased, but IMO in head to head games there was no comparison.
Watson's running is a concern, but despite his injury, I don't see him as an RGIII or a Lamar. Running may become LESS a part of his game, but in short yardage the defense will always have to account for him.
In the Clemson Citadel game today (see, I really am a Clemson fan) the announcers made an interesting comment; when Watson rolled out, he was looking to pass - in contrast to Bryant who if he can't pass, runs.
Although Watson was also criticized for accuracy, I don't think that held up in the pros. (I always said that with the Clemson receivers; and more importantly Venables' defense where you were going to get the ball right back, he was instructed to throw 50/50 balls).
Because of Watson's football intelligence and maturity, the fact that he didn't operate under center in college was not a problem.
Many people questioned Watson's accuracy coming out of college too  
djm : 11/18/2017 8:14 pm : link
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None are guaranteed to be good at the next level.  
CV36 : 11/18/2017 8:35 pm : link
If Jackson does he is a very special athlete. I have never been a big fan of run first guys either but the league is changing and so is how offense is played. OBJ, SS, and EE along with a few moves along the OL with Jackson’s threat would be interesting.
Sounds like the QB at Seattle?  
idiotsavant : 11/18/2017 8:38 pm : link
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montanagiant : 11/18/2017 8:44 pm : link
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Can he stay healthy with his style of play? Also how does he compare to Deshaun Watson?



Not as good, he's improved a lot as a passer, but his deep ball isn't very accurate. His release is lightning quick


I am not knocking him but I would much rather have Darnold, Rosen, or Mayfield.



The Mayfield incident today knocked him down in my eyes. I know he is passionate but you don't want your QB acting that way.

You need to take what Mayfield did into context. Kansas had been cheap shotting him and the worse one was where he threw a pass and the KU defender shouldered him in the face 2 secs after the throw.
I think Jackson has elite skills  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/18/2017 9:01 pm : link
But when I've seen him interviewed, he leaves some question marks. Now, I'm willing to concede that a young athlete can be intelligent without being particularly well-spoken, but I think it would require some careful vetting. A lot of great college players have failed to translate their games to the NFL because of the steep learning curve. Paxton Lynch is a recent example (although he doesn't have nearly the physical ability of Jackson).
Jackson  
WillVAB : 11/18/2017 9:07 pm : link
Dumber, smaller, more inaccurate version of Cam Newton.
Any qb labeled good athlete means he is a run first qb, no thanks.  
SterlingArcher : 11/18/2017 9:38 pm : link
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RE: Jackson  
Sarcastic Sam : 11/18/2017 9:49 pm : link
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Dumber, smaller, more inaccurate version of Cam Newton.


I'll take it!

- Jerry Reese, New York Giants
People questioning him are the same people  
Stan in LA : 11/18/2017 9:49 pm : link
Who questioned Watson last year. How'd that turn out?
RE: People questioning him are the same people  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/18/2017 10:02 pm : link
In comment 13696270 Stan in LA said:
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Who questioned Watson last year. How'd that turn out?

No, they're not the same people.

Stick to your sharp evaluation of Lonzo.
Shut up Staaaaanley  
B in ALB : 11/18/2017 10:03 pm : link
How's that stain Ball doing?

Score another 2 points, play no defense and not back up his teammates?

Guy's a turd just like you.
Needs to bulk up  
adambear : 11/18/2017 10:05 pm : link
like Russell Wilson to have a chance. Otherwise he's RG3... which means a couple big hits will end it all for him.
RE: Needs to bulk up  
B in ALB : 11/18/2017 10:09 pm : link
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like Russell Wilson to have a chance. Otherwise he's RG3... which means a couple big hits will end it all for him.


He is bigger than Bob, more durable than Bob and a better passer than Bob ever was - now, as a college junior.

He's got a really good chance to be an excellent pro.
If I'm making the pick, it's Jackson  
Go Terps : 11/18/2017 10:57 pm : link
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You'reMyBoyBlue!! : 11/18/2017 11:52 pm : link
His frame scares me. Not thick at all. That doesn't really hold up in the NFL
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Mdgiantsfan : 11/19/2017 9:03 am : link
It’s a bit puzzling how so little consideration is being given to his prospects as a pro. Reminds me somewhat of the treatment of Watson. After having played well against easily the toughest D college football could offer, there were still ???s. Yet Mitch Trubisky goes ahead of him?
Slight frame...maybe but he’s 6’3 205 and Rosen’s 6’4 210 but I haven’t heard concerns about his frame.



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Gatorade Dunk : 11/19/2017 9:19 am : link
In comment 13696472 Mdgiantsfan said:
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It’s a bit puzzling how so little consideration is being given to his prospects as a pro. Reminds me somewhat of the treatment of Watson. After having played well against easily the toughest D college football could offer, there were still ???s. Yet Mitch Trubisky goes ahead of him?
Slight frame...maybe but he’s 6’3 205 and Rosen’s 6’4 210 but I haven’t heard concerns about his frame.

In fairness, frame matters a lot more for a running QB than for a pocket passer, but the point is well taken.

If I remember correctly, most of the concerns about Watson centered on arm strength - he had the lowest throwing velocity at the combine (and if I'm not mistaken, the lowest velocity in years). If anything, Watson's success shows how much intangibles matter in addition to physical attributes. But let's also not ignore the fact that Watson has a very limited sample size in the NFL thus far.

I don't see the comparison of concerns about Watson as all that similar to Jackson, unless you're saying that running QB prospects are just undervalued in general.
RE: If I'm making the pick, it's Jackson  
Sean : 11/19/2017 9:49 am : link
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You have made the point that you want QB to be a revolving position. So, you’d invest a top 5 pick in a QB you wouldn’t give a second contract?
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BigBlueShock : 11/19/2017 10:17 am : link
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You have made the point that you want QB to be a revolving position. So, you’d invest a top 5 pick in a QB you wouldn’t give a second contract?

Terps isn't giving a second contract to anybody he picks in the top 5 unless they are top 5 players in the NFL so it really wouldn't matter which position he takes.
Next to Rosen  
jeff57 : 11/19/2017 10:19 am : link
Jackson would be the QB I would take.
RE: If I'm making the pick, it's Jackson  
RDJR : 11/19/2017 10:50 am : link
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I agree. I’ve been a Jackson proponent for two years now. Not changing.



When McDaniels is the Head Coach  
larryflower37 : 11/19/2017 11:41 am : link
He will draft L.Jackson and build an offense around him like he wanted to do with Tebow.
Partial sarcasm but I do think this is going to come down to the new GM and Coach.
I am a Jackson fan and would love to see a mobile QB that can create with his feet and a more modern offense. Bring some excitement.
But are the Giants going to hire the same stuffed shirts they have always have or do they break the mold and go young and inventive???
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arcarsenal : 11/19/2017 12:05 pm : link
Jackson has the highest ceiling easily. He won't be the safest pick, but he'd be the most exciting.

I'd have to really believe that his accuracy could improve but the skillset is just too tempting to pass on. The potential is immense.
RE: RE: If I'm making the pick, it's Jackson  
Go Terps : 11/19/2017 12:09 pm : link
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You have made the point that you want QB to be a revolving position. So, you’d invest a top 5 pick in a QB you wouldn’t give a second contract?


Sure. If Jackson is the best player, why not?
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WillVAB : 11/19/2017 2:49 pm : link
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You have made the point that you want QB to be a revolving position. So, you’d invest a top 5 pick in a QB you wouldn’t give a second contract?



Sure. If Jackson is the best player, why not?


Taking Jackson top 3 would be a disaster.
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