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mavric : 11/19/2017 11:42 am
Thinking of downloading Kodi to my Smart TV. I have Direct TV and already pay extra for Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon Prime and am tired of not being able to call up a movie I'd like to watch without it costing me 3.99. Simple stuff like "Bad Santa" or "A Million Ways to Die in the West" or "MIB 3". None of the above mentioned pay services has those movies even though I'm paying out the ass for three "movie streaming sites". Always end up on Amazon where they want to rent the movie to me at 3 times the cost of Redbox.

Anyway, for those of you who use or have used Kodi, can you give me a non-salesman's pitch on what exactly it does and is it worth it?
What it does?  
Big Rick in FL : 11/19/2017 11:52 am : link
It shows basically every movie and TV show ever made. Is it worth it? It's free so yeah its worth it. You can stop paying for all those other streaming services.
Entitlement...  
baadbill : 11/19/2017 12:07 pm : link
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... tired of not being able to call up a movie I'd like to watch without it costing me 3.99.


Really?

Kodi is an opensource media player that has an open interface, meaning third parties can (and do) create addons. These addons illegally enable you to watch movies for free.

Stop acting like you are entitled or deserve to watch them. It is most definitely illegal. I'm not moralizing ... go ahead and use the addons - just do it with your eyes open and with full knowledge of what you are - a thief - no different than going to Walmart and sticking a movie under your jacket and walking out without paying.
...  
26.2 : 11/19/2017 12:09 pm : link
Yes its worth it. Its free and awesome. The drawback is that it is not a plug and play thing. The add-ons they run update and change all the time and personally I find myself digging in the forums regularly trying to figure some of it out and/or getting it to work right.
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Danny Kanell : 11/19/2017 12:31 pm : link
In comment 13696702 26.2 said:
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Yes its worth it. Its free and awesome. The drawback is that it is not a plug and play thing. The add-ons they run update and change all the time and personally I find myself digging in the forums regularly trying to figure some of it out and/or getting it to work right.


This
RE: Entitlement...  
Danny Kanell : 11/19/2017 12:32 pm : link
In comment 13696699 baadbill said:
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... tired of not being able to call up a movie I'd like to watch without it costing me 3.99.



Really?

Kodi is an opensource media player that has an open interface, meaning third parties can (and do) create addons. These addons illegally enable you to watch movies for free.

Stop acting like you are entitled or deserve to watch them. It is most definitely illegal. I'm not moralizing ... go ahead and use the addons - just do it with your eyes open and with full knowledge of what you are - a thief - no different than going to Walmart and sticking a movie under your jacket and walking out without paying.


RE: Entitlement...  
tbonfig : 11/19/2017 12:33 pm : link
In comment 13696699 baadbill said:
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... tired of not being able to call up a movie I'd like to watch without it costing me 3.99.



Really?

Kodi is an opensource media player that has an open interface, meaning third parties can (and do) create addons. These addons illegally enable you to watch movies for free.

Stop acting like you are entitled or deserve to watch them. It is most definitely illegal. I'm not moralizing ... go ahead and use the addons - just do it with your eyes open and with full knowledge of what you are - a thief - no different than going to Walmart and sticking a movie under your jacket and walking out without paying.


Wee ooo. Weee ooo. Weee oooo. Moral police coming through.

I want the five second of my life you stole for that shitty diatribe.
Actually..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/19/2017 12:43 pm : link
unless I'm mistaken - it isn't illegal for the end user.

Isn't it just illegal for the developers to make the services streamable?

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Stop acting like you are entitled or deserve to watch them. It is most definitely illegal. I'm not moralizing ... go ahead and use the addons - just do it with your eyes open and with full knowledge of what you are - a thief - no different than going to Walmart and sticking a movie under your jacket and walking out without paying.


Wouldn't it be more like going to YouTube and watching the content on their site that are running? The end user is basically just going to an address and watching the content.
Yes  
XBRONX : 11/19/2017 12:45 pm : link
like baadbill never shoplifted something. LOL
RE: RE: Entitlement...  
baadbill : 11/19/2017 12:46 pm : link
In comment 13696743 tbonfig said:
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In comment 13696699 baadbill said:


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... tired of not being able to call up a movie I'd like to watch without it costing me 3.99.



Really?

Kodi is an opensource media player that has an open interface, meaning third parties can (and do) create addons. These addons illegally enable you to watch movies for free.

Stop acting like you are entitled or deserve to watch them. It is most definitely illegal. I'm not moralizing ... go ahead and use the addons - just do it with your eyes open and with full knowledge of what you are - a thief - no different than going to Walmart and sticking a movie under your jacket and walking out without paying.



Wee ooo. Weee ooo. Weee oooo. Moral police coming through.

I want the five second of my life you stole for that shitty diatribe.


Hey, I've used it. Like I said - not moralizing (or, if I am, then I've been guilty too). His post just bothered me ... when he says he's tired of paying $3.99 for a movie... all I'm saying is ... know straight up you are a thief (as I was when I used it). Guilty as charged. But stop with the entitlement bullshit. You're about as entitled as an everyday shoplifter.
Fair enough man  
tbonfig : 11/19/2017 12:49 pm : link
I think society today is full of entitlement. I just view these things on a spectrum and this is one of the least moral-challenging issues for me.
RE: RE: Entitlement...  
TheGhostofBlueGuy : 11/19/2017 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13696743 tbonfig said:
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In comment 13696699 baadbill said:


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... tired of not being able to call up a movie I'd like to watch without it costing me 3.99.



Really?

Kodi is an opensource media player that has an open interface, meaning third parties can (and do) create addons. These addons illegally enable you to watch movies for free.

Stop acting like you are entitled or deserve to watch them. It is most definitely illegal. I'm not moralizing ... go ahead and use the addons - just do it with your eyes open and with full knowledge of what you are - a thief - no different than going to Walmart and sticking a movie under your jacket and walking out without paying.



Wee ooo. Weee ooo. Weee oooo. Moral police coming through.

I want the five second of my life you stole for that shitty diatribe.


Shit, I though is a waaaaaaaaambulance.
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mavric : 11/19/2017 1:19 pm : link
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Hey, I've used it. Like I said - not moralizing (or, if I am, then I've been guilty too). His post just bothered me ... when he says he's tired of paying $3.99 for a movie... all I'm saying is ... know straight up you are a thief (as I was when I used it). Guilty as charged. But stop with the entitlement bullshit. You're about as entitled as an everyday shoplifter.


When you pay for Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon Prime for "free movies", but they don't have most of the "A" movies, but swamp you with "B" movies, it gets a little frustrating. Regardless, I agree with the others that the "end user" is not doing anything wrong - just using the internet. Heck, I even use ad blockers to go to sites so that they can't advertise me to death. I guess that's stealing as well...lol
RE: RE: RE: Entitlement...  
UConn4523 : 11/19/2017 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13696756 baadbill said:
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In comment 13696743 tbonfig said:


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In comment 13696699 baadbill said:


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... tired of not being able to call up a movie I'd like to watch without it costing me 3.99.



Really?

Kodi is an opensource media player that has an open interface, meaning third parties can (and do) create addons. These addons illegally enable you to watch movies for free.

Stop acting like you are entitled or deserve to watch them. It is most definitely illegal. I'm not moralizing ... go ahead and use the addons - just do it with your eyes open and with full knowledge of what you are - a thief - no different than going to Walmart and sticking a movie under your jacket and walking out without paying.



Wee ooo. Weee ooo. Weee oooo. Moral police coming through.

I want the five second of my life you stole for that shitty diatribe.



Hey, I've used it. Like I said - not moralizing (or, if I am, then I've been guilty too). His post just bothered me ... when he says he's tired of paying $3.99 for a movie... all I'm saying is ... know straight up you are a thief (as I was when I used it). Guilty as charged. But stop with the entitlement bullshit. You're about as entitled as an everyday shoplifter.


Completely agree. People can do whatever hey want but it’s tiresome to hear people wanting the benefit of a service without paying for it.
How is the end user doing nothing wrong?  
UConn4523 : 11/19/2017 1:23 pm : link
You are viewing content for free that you should override be paying for. How is that doing nothing wrong?
Thief here...  
Knineteen : 11/19/2017 1:40 pm : link
Start providing common-sense content/ delivery or else people will steal it. Ask the late 90's music industry how it felt.
Hollywood has created so many problems and inconsistencies for the end-user with the current film and video market. The dozens of examples that I could go through…

On the Kodi legality front, I'm still not certain what liability the end-user has. If the add-on utilizes a torrent style delivery system, the end-user is definitely opening them up to prosecution. If it's a simple feed, then the liability probably plummets.
A VPN would definitely help to abate this, but they possess their own liabilities.
So it’s not available how you want it to be  
UConn4523 : 11/19/2017 1:44 pm : link
and somehow you feel that justifies stealing? Like the OP I’ve done it and I’m not playing morality police, but stop making excuses. It’s wrong, you do it anyway, simple as that.
For the thousandth time  
Bockman : 11/19/2017 1:47 pm : link
watching a stream is not illegal. Grey area? Maybe. Grey areas aren't illegal though.

Kodi is awesome not just for streaming too, by the way. My entire house runs on Kodi for all my local content. I've ripped all my DVDs and CDs to my computer which acts as a server. I can do awesome things like this:




Happy to answer any questions you have.
Not sure why my pics didn't show  
Bockman : 11/19/2017 1:49 pm : link
.  
Bockman : 11/19/2017 1:50 pm : link
RE: RE: RE: Entitlement...  
Knineteen : 11/19/2017 1:51 pm : link
In comment 13696756 baadbill said:
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But stop with the entitlement bullshit. You're about as entitled as an everyday shoplifter.

It's not about "entitlement". It's about getting pricing more favorable for the end-user.
If everyone had your mentality, we'd still be paying $17 for a music album in order to get one song off that album.
Now I pay $15/month to lease tens of thousands of tracks...and I can share access with my entire family! All legal. I can't remember the last time I pirated a song.
RE: For the thousandth time  
UConn4523 : 11/19/2017 1:59 pm : link
In comment 13697037 Bockman said:
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watching a stream is not illegal. Grey area? Maybe. Grey areas aren't illegal though.

Kodi is awesome not just for streaming too, by the way. My entire house runs on Kodi for all my local content. I've ripped all my DVDs and CDs to my computer which acts as a server. I can do awesome things like this:




Happy to answer any questions you have.


It’s a technicality. It’s wrong, and whether that means something to you or not is the question.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Entitlement...  
UConn4523 : 11/19/2017 2:00 pm : link
In comment 13697051 Knineteen said:
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In comment 13696756 baadbill said:


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But stop with the entitlement bullshit. You're about as entitled as an everyday shoplifter.


It's not about "entitlement". It's about getting pricing more favorable for the end-user.
If everyone had your mentality, we'd still be paying $17 for a music album in order to get one song off that album.
Now I pay $15/month to lease tens of thousands of tracks...and I can share access with my entire family! All legal. I can't remember the last time I pirated a song.


Yeah it’s legal because you are paying for the service...
RE: So it’s not available how you want it to be  
Knineteen : 11/19/2017 2:01 pm : link
In comment 13697028 UConn4523 said:
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It’s wrong, you do it anyway, simple as that.

It's wrong because the laws that Hollywood paid for, say it's wrong.
The only reason DRV'ing isn't wrong is because Hollywood couldn't convince the government that VHS recording should be illegal.

I'm not arguing legality, just saying that what content providers have bought and paid for is wrong for the end-user as well.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Entitlement...  
Knineteen : 11/19/2017 2:03 pm : link
In comment 13697097 UConn4523 said:
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Yeah it’s legal because you are paying for the service...

And it exists only because people stole that content for years...
GREAT job  
NoPeanutz : 11/19/2017 2:12 pm : link
by Collins. Got back the step he lost.
so...  
NoPeanutz : 11/19/2017 2:15 pm : link
a 10 second possession? And KC makes up yardage?
ah  
NoPeanutz : 11/19/2017 2:19 pm : link
im on the wrong thread. sorry!
Whatever you say  
UConn4523 : 11/19/2017 2:26 pm : link
keep fighting the good fight. One day everything will be free and no one will have to pay for anything.
Ironic  
Knineteen : 11/19/2017 3:05 pm : link
coming from someone who directly benefits from that fight.

I'll retract that statement if you buy $17 albums.
Not illegal  
Sackrecord92 : 11/19/2017 3:38 pm : link
I've been using it since 2015. I have 3 firesticks and they are awesome. Screw Hollywood hahah.
RE: Ironic  
UConn4523 : 11/19/2017 3:50 pm : link
In comment 13697387 Knineteen said:
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coming from someone who directly benefits from that fight.

I'll retract that statement if you buy $17 albums.


I don’t download music, it’s been about a decade since I’ve done that. But if I did, what’s that got to do with any of this? It would still be wrong for me to do. You seem to be making every excuse in the book to justify your stealing, great job. Wish I had your view on life, keep stealing until they make it legal (which still isn’t even the case with music).
It is most certainly illegal,  
Bramton1 : 11/19/2017 4:42 pm : link
and I say this as a Kodi user. It's just that presently, Hollywood is going after the providers instead of the end user. So they go after the add on creators and the sites that host them.

I use Kodi, but not extensively. I pay for Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon Prime. When Game of Thrones or Outlander is on HBO or Starz, my wife is paying for HBO Now or Starz Play.

But even with all those paid services, I still don't have access to a lot of things. Sports are a tough area and very hit or miss. CBS is pushing their own streaming service, so if I wanted to watch Star Trek Discovery, I'd have to pay for that. Soon enough, I'd have to pay if I want to watch anything Disney/Marvel/Star Wars. People cut the cord because of the crazy cost of cable, so Hollywood is looking for new ways to price-gouge their customers. Hence, people turn to Kodi.
It is not illegal..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/19/2017 5:29 pm : link
unless something recently changed. The onus is on the providers. Unless there is an active "lock out" feature for end users, they are not technically doing anything illegal. It is like I said above if you go to YouTube and view material.

There are technically illegal videos put on YouTube all the time. The onus is on YouTube to police this and take down the material, and it isn't illegal for a user to view it.

Same applies to Kodi - and for those playing the "A technicality is still bad" line, I sure hope you are as eager to rail against other things that are technically bad like jaywalking or over estimating tax deductions. Just to be consistent.
RE: RE: Ironic  
Knineteen : 11/19/2017 6:18 pm : link
In comment 13697609 UConn4523 said:
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I don’t download music, it’s been about a decade since I’ve done that. But if I did, what’s that got to do with any of this? It would still be wrong for me to do. You seem to be making every excuse in the book to justify your stealing, great job. Wish I had your view on life, keep stealing until they make it legal (which still isn’t even the case with music).

Sigh. OK, I'm done trying to walk you through this exercise. Really not hard logic.
FMiC  
UConn4523 : 11/19/2017 6:56 pm : link
My only point has remained that people bragging about not paying for something they should be paying for is wrong. That’s it. I don’t know how anyone can think it’s ok to get something for free using a loophole (that’s really what Kodi is) and beat their chest about how they should be able to do it because they don’t want to pay $2.99 for a movie.

Knineteen, I understand every word of your posts but you are telling me things I already l know. My point above is all I have to say on the matter. If you think you are entitled to not pay for something because the cost of an album is too much than you are part of the problem.
Kodi  
Mike in NJ : 11/19/2017 8:50 pm : link
I don’t know if it’s just me, but I’ve noticed over the last several months it’s more difficult to find high quality streams of movies. Usually there will be a few that are “HD” but they don’t look nearly as crisp as renting through Amazon or Netflix.

If there is a movie that I really want to see then I don’t mind paying the $4.99 or whatever it is to rent it, I tend to only use Kodi for things that I would never watch otherwise. The new Baywatch is the perfect example, there is no way in hell I would ever pay to see that, if Kodi weren’t an option I would just wait until it eventually showed up on HBO, Showtime or something similar.
WoW  
Howyadoin : 11/20/2017 12:37 am : link
Just WoW...What a crew we have here.
The illegality..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/20/2017 8:39 am : link
aspect happens when one takes ownership of material. The reason Napster and the music file sharing services were illegal is because people actually downloaded the content and kept it on a device. If you rent a movie from Redbox, even if you paid, you can't burn copies of it - that's the illegal part.

Same with Kodi. Viewing the material isn't illegal - owning it is. So if you start recording the shows - that's constitute ownership, regardless of if you plan on reselling the material.
It's not illegal to view this stuff, at least in the sense that there  
Heisenberg : 11/20/2017 9:05 am : link
is no chance that you will be prosecuted. But it is enough that your ISP can and may send you a nasty gram telling you to stop and they will also throttle your bandwidth down and make your internet really slow. They could even cancel your agreement if they want to (I don't think they usually do).

So, it's not a big deal to do it and there are usually few consequences. But let's not pretend it's hunky dory for consumers to do it, either.
The UK recently legislated some draconian penalties  
NoPeanutz : 11/21/2017 5:55 pm : link
against Kodi users who share and view copyrighted material. Apparently, Kodi is huge over there.
As a result, many of the major go to libraries have made a "business decision" to shut down entirely.
That is why you've recently been having trouble finding content in your go to apps. Some of them have gone dark indefinitely.
As you know, Europe and UK are not friendly environments for media sharing technology.
There is a movie theater in town...  
Dan in the Springs : 11/21/2017 6:04 pm : link
with no lock on one of its doors. I have to choose whether to pay and go through the front, or go through the back.

Screw Hollywood, I'm not paying $10 for a movie if I can go in the back for free. I work hard for my money, why should they screw me out of it just because I want to see their movie?

By the way, it's on the theater to fix their door if they want to prevent my behavior. Nothing wrong with my behavior, right?

FWIW, the above is not true. Just something to think about. And yes, I'm guilty of watching things that I haven't paid for. Key word there is guilty.
RE: There is a movie theater in town...  
UConn4523 : 11/21/2017 6:25 pm : link
In comment 13700784 Dan in the Springs said:
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with no lock on one of its doors. I have to choose whether to pay and go through the front, or go through the back.

Screw Hollywood, I'm not paying $10 for a movie if I can go in the back for free. I work hard for my money, why should they screw me out of it just because I want to see their movie?

By the way, it's on the theater to fix their door if they want to prevent my behavior. Nothing wrong with my behavior, right?

FWIW, the above is not true. Just something to think about. And yes, I'm guilty of watching things that I haven't paid for. Key word there is guilty.


There is plenty wrong with your behavior. A reasonable person would make the building aware of the issue and do a good deed. It’s also foolish and incredibly short sighted to think your $10 just goes to Hollywood. What about the people who work at the theater and have a job because it’s in business?

I’ve done all the stuff on this thread, but it’s uolarious to see you guys make excuses. You are stealing, plain and simple. You may not be “owning” the material but you are still stealing. Just own it.
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TJ : 11/21/2017 6:36 pm : link
In comment 13696702 26.2 said:
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Yes its worth it. Its free and awesome. The drawback is that it is not a plug and play thing. The add-ons they run update and change all the time and personally I find myself digging in the forums regularly trying to figure some of it out and/or getting it to work right.


I agree.
I'm running it on OSMC on a pi. It is kind of high maintenance. But the OSMC/Kodi combo is a pretty cool media platform and I stream music and video from internet & a home server share.
Yes watching copyrighted or licensed content is "stealing" whether it's actually illegal or not. But I've done so occasionally.
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