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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/19/2017 4:23 pm
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You guys better start warming up to Josh Allen.  
bceagle05 : 11/19/2017 4:47 pm : link
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RE: RE: funny, Apple wasnt missed at all  
Sarcastic Sam : 11/19/2017 4:47 pm : link
In comment 13697888 EricJ said:
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you are right. I did not even notice that he was not there.


I did, around midway through the 3rd quarter when we weren't getting a PI called against us every defensive drive....
RE: Maybe start thinking about Bradley Chubb  
Carson53 : 11/19/2017 4:51 pm : link
In comment 13697800 jeff57 said:
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Quentin Nelson and Derwin James.
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Why, because they finally won another game?
I am still hoping for a top 3 pick myself.
Glad they at least played with effort today.
That's why they are the Chefs, just when some people
want to buy into them, they become the Chefs.
That team started out 5-0, LOL.
If I was the Chefs, I would move on from Alex Smith,
he is a FA, they drafted a kid, move on.
now I have read it all....  
BillKo : 11/19/2017 4:52 pm : link
we are not mad at the Chiefs for playing lousy football.

SMH.

Good job Giants for hanging in there and getting the W.

Who care about a draft pick........all I know is we got the best player in franchise history drafting #2.
Ray Handley’s final win as an NFL head coach  
Matt in SGS : 11/19/2017 4:52 pm : link
Was a home game vs the KC Chiefs at Giants Stadium. Just sayin’

Glad to see Rosas experience a pressure kick in OT

Carry on
RE: RE: Rosas redeemed himself.....  
Carson53 : 11/19/2017 4:54 pm : link
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and Giants came to play. Nice effort today. Win is always nice.




Game doesn’t go to OT if he makes the PAT. He didn’t redeem shit.


He got experience dealing with the winds at the Meadowlands
in November, not surprising. That was like a bad pitching wedge in golf. Live and learn they say.
Wins are always good.  
idiotsavant : 11/19/2017 4:54 pm : link
There is plenty of reason to switch up the management and coaching, even if we win the rest of the way.

Be glad for less expected pieces like King and the O tackle.
RE: now I have read it all....  
Carson53 : 11/19/2017 4:56 pm : link
In comment 13697909 BillKo said:
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we are not mad at the Chiefs for playing lousy football.

SMH.

Good job Giants for hanging in there and getting the W.

Who care about a draft pick........all I know is we got the best player in franchise history drafting #2.


I look at the big picture, not a little victory.
RE: RE: Flowers and Wheeler  
dpinzow : 11/19/2017 5:01 pm : link
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Played really well.



Flowers has been playing at an Elite level for several weeks


Don't know about an elite level (still takes a few holding penalties to avoid sacks) but he has played a lot better and is at worst a passable left tackle now
RE: RE: This team was never going 1-15..  
Sean : 11/19/2017 5:02 pm : link
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anyone who thought that is an idiot. This will likely be 4-12 / 5-11. Remember. We picked 4th in 2004.



Wait, you watched the team play on the field recently and then added in all of the injuries and thought there was no way they were going 1-15?

They got destroyed by probably the worst team in all of football last week.

Anyone who thins this team is going 4-12 or 4-12 is more of an idiot than someone who thought they would go 1-15.

This team sucks balls, today doesn't change it at all. The ineptitude of the chiefs today coming in here like it was a scrimmage is the only reason the Giants had a chance, that and the wind


It is totally reasonable to think they could win a game against the Redskins & Cardinals.
Jones and Fluker continue to play pretty well  
jeff57 : 11/19/2017 5:08 pm : link
in the run game. I think Richburg has played his last snap with the Giants.
lol  
WillVAB : 11/19/2017 5:15 pm : link
@ people mad the Giants won
RE: Jones and Fluker continue to play pretty well  
Carson53 : 11/19/2017 5:17 pm : link
In comment 13697951 jeff57 said:
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in the run game. I think Richburg has played his last snap with the Giants.
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I wouldn't mind if they move on from Richburg, Jones is a RFA.
The young man Wheeler, held his own today.
Flowers has made some progress, slower than we would like,
but some progress...
Gotta be real proud the way the Giants played today...  
M.S. : 11/19/2017 5:20 pm : link

...it wasn't pretty, but they played tough all day and deserved to win.

Here's three cheers for the men in Blue:

Hip Hip Hooray!
Hip Hip Hooray!!
Hip Hip Hooray!!!
Nice Win. Don't Care About Draft Hypotheticals,  
clatterbuck : 11/19/2017 5:26 pm : link
you play to win. You coach to win. They played hard and with pride. I'll take it. Any chance McAdoo made the FG decision at end to give his rookie kicker a chance to win the game and build some confidence? Also nice to see Alex Smith morph back into Alex Smith.
RE: RE: funny, Apple wasnt missed at all  
bradshaw44 : 11/19/2017 5:26 pm : link
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you are right. I did not even notice that he was not there.


I noticed he wasn’t there. Because I noticed not noticing a DB being way out of position during big plays.
RE: RE: I still think Lewis scored a TD  
Bill in Del : 11/19/2017 6:02 pm : link
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By the time he gained possession, he wasn't being touched and wasn't touched after that at all.



That was 100% a touchdown.


Just got done watching the replay...!00% correct that was a TD...I thought the refs sucked in this game.
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yankees78 : 11/19/2017 6:09 pm : link
eh
Agree on some of the calls......  
Doomster : 11/19/2017 6:13 pm : link
I felt Lewis did not have possession when he was touched...

Also disagree on the PI against Engram.....while he did extend his hand, it was not a push off of the defender....it looked that way because he was breaking to the sideline while the defender went straight....
It's a small point but if Roasa made the extra point  
12aob : 11/19/2017 6:14 pm : link
The Chiefs likely don't kick their 3rd FG but go for it on 4h down. Maybe we hold and win in regulation but maybe they make it and score TD and we lose.
**Rosas  
12aob : 11/19/2017 6:15 pm : link
I hate typing on my phone
RE: could be a blessing in diguise to not draft a QB this draft  
Matt M. : 11/19/2017 6:15 pm : link
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That's what I've been saying. This was not the year to be angling cor a QB and I wouldn't draft one just because we have a high pick. Top 5 pick doesn't automatically equal franchise AN.

That said, they are still fairly likely to be in position for 1 and maybe 2 of the top 3, plus Mayfield for sure. This will be interesting.


And I will say this...i don't care if they win every single remaining game. I still want the GM, HC, entire coaching staff, and a good portion of the scouting dept. gone.
Does anyone else have the same gut feeling  
Matt M. : 11/19/2017 6:22 pm : link
that Rosas' missed PAT may actually be the reason we won? Had they been up 10-6 and a FG was no longer an option for the Chiefs, I keep getting this feeling they would have scored the TD. That said, of course, another missed kick by Rosas is a cause of concern.

He is a rookie, so some patience must be used. I wouldn't cut him now, as some people have been calling for, especially with the season already lost. But, I would, at the very least, have another PK in for competition in the off season.
Here's to hoping Wheeler plays the rest of the season  
Matt M. : 11/19/2017 6:23 pm : link
and progresses. With Flowers playing better each week, we may have bookend OTs for the next few years. They may not be the best, but if it is even a decent pair, they have more flexibility with the rest of the OL.
Andy Reid got too cute for his own good  
Matt M. : 11/19/2017 6:25 pm : link
and possibly cost his team the game. A position player already threw one INT today and the wind was a problem. So, calling for a trick play with Kelce throwing deep may not have been the best decision.
RE: Does anyone else have the same gut feeling  
section125 : 11/19/2017 6:29 pm : link
In comment 13698106 Matt M. said:
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that Rosas' missed PAT may actually be the reason we won? Had they been up 10-6 and a FG was no longer an option for the Chiefs, I keep getting this feeling they would have scored the TD. That said, of course, another missed kick by Rosas is a cause of concern.

He is a rookie, so some patience must be used. I wouldn't cut him now, as some people have been calling for, especially with the season already lost. But, I would, at the very least, have another PK in for competition in the off season.


The wind killed that PAT. I don't know if he got under it, but man that thing just died. Like hitting a 180 yard club on a 130 yard hole and it ends up short...
And by the way, Eli is still the man  
Matt M. : 11/19/2017 6:44 pm : link
That was a grewat play on 4th and 6. And all day, he stood tall in the pocket and avoided the rush when it was there, including a nice run for a 1st down.
RE: Andy Reid got too cute for his own good  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/19/2017 7:12 pm : link
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and possibly cost his team the game. A position player already threw one INT today and the wind was a problem. So, calling for a trick play with Kelce throwing deep may not have been the best decision.


This was the worst coached game I've ever seen from an Andy Reid team.
RE: RE: funny, Apple wasnt missed at all  
RottenApple : 11/19/2017 7:28 pm : link
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you are right. I did not even notice that he was not there.


I noticed. I didn’t see a baby on the sideline asking for his pacifier.
I know they don’t come here often  
LatHarv83 : 11/19/2017 7:32 pm : link
And haven’t been in 12 years now, but kinda fascinating the Chiefs have still never won a road game against the Giants. Ever. They’re 0-7 now.
I don't care right now that it drops the Giants draft position.  
FStubbs : 11/19/2017 7:45 pm : link
A win always feels good.
RE: Ray Handley’s final win as an NFL head coach  
FStubbs : 11/19/2017 7:52 pm : link
In comment 13697910 Matt in SGS said:
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Was a home game vs the KC Chiefs at Giants Stadium. Just sayin’

Glad to see Rosas experience a pressure kick in OT

Carry on


Okay you win this thread. Hats off.
RE: I know they don’t come here often  
japanhead : 11/19/2017 8:33 pm : link
In comment 13698219 LatHarv83 said:
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And haven’t been in 12 years now, but kinda fascinating the Chiefs have still never won a road game against the Giants. Ever. They’re 0-7 now.


that is really interesting i never knew that until today. i like folklore.
but the chiefs  
japanhead : 11/19/2017 8:34 pm : link
have lost 4 out of their last 5 games and looking to be trending downward. i maintain that alex smith is a phony QB, propped up by andy reid and his system.
Hard to be unhappy about a win  
TJ : 11/19/2017 9:42 pm : link
But it's hard to be happy about a win.
It Doesn't Matter Where You PIck  
Jim in NH : 11/19/2017 9:54 pm : link
But it matters a lot who does the picking.

The next Tom Brady is out there. So is the next Ryan Leaf.
WE found our Bookend tackles and center  
spike : 11/19/2017 10:29 pm : link
for the next decade. Now just fill in the two guards
RE: but the chiefs  
spike : 11/19/2017 10:29 pm : link
In comment 13698295 japanhead said:
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have lost 4 out of their last 5 games and looking to be trending downward. i maintain that alex smith is a phony QB, propped up by andy reid and his system.


Eli would ve taken that team to the championship game.
They've got two fucking wins  
djm : 11/19/2017 10:43 pm : link
And some of you are actually cursing the Giants out for winning too many games this year? Two!!! ??

They are gonna go 4-12 or so. That's a terrible win total. And some of you are gonna hang on every win and go nuts like the Giants just sabatoged their future with a negative performance. That's so unfair and this coming from someone who wants mcadoo fired and wants the first pick. We all do. But You guys don't get it. They can't NOT TRY! What the hell do you want?

If the Giants win 2-3-4 more games fucking deal with it. You can't lose on purpose and you can't not try or you will get your head taking off. Mcadoo and spags are coaching for their livelihoods. You wanna sulk fine but to actually blast the team is weak. And again, we're talking 2-8 here people not 4-6. This isnt dreaded middle ground territory here this is shit show territory. It's still a train wreck and probably stays that way.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 11/20/2017 12:14 am : link
Complain when they lose because they weren't competitive enough.

Complain when they win because win totals

Complain complain complain.
Players  
Dragon : 11/20/2017 12:35 am : link
As a team all areas did what was required to obtain a win. Now as a coach it’s hard not to shake your in disgust because if these guys want to perform they are very talented on defense. On offense the rhythm was good and I believe only one delay of game penalty. It’s not the coaches it’s these players who have to want to win on the field.
Feel good about the win.  
Giant John : 11/20/2017 1:19 am : link
Changed my Sunday afternoon for the better. I agreed with the Lewis call. Good catch but no TD.
RE: Feel good about the win.  
Matt M. : 11/20/2017 5:38 am : link
In comment 13698607 Giant John said:
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Changed my Sunday afternoon for the better. I agreed with the Lewis call. Good catch but no TD.
Me too. I thought it was quite obvious he was down by contact. They would have needed irrefutable evidence to rule it a TD. That evidence just wasn't there.
RE: They've got two fucking wins  
Matt M. : 11/20/2017 5:43 am : link
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And some of you are actually cursing the Giants out for winning too many games this year? Two!!! ??

They are gonna go 4-12 or so. That's a terrible win total. And some of you are gonna hang on every win and go nuts like the Giants just sabatoged their future with a negative performance. That's so unfair and this coming from someone who wants mcadoo fired and wants the first pick. We all do. But You guys don't get it. They can't NOT TRY! What the hell do you want?

If the Giants win 2-3-4 more games fucking deal with it. You can't lose on purpose and you can't not try or you will get your head taking off. Mcadoo and spags are coaching for their livelihoods. You wanna sulk fine but to actually blast the team is weak. And again, we're talking 2-8 here people not 4-6. This isnt dreaded middle ground territory here this is shit show territory. It's still a train wreck and probably stays that way.
Overall, I agree. However, I'm not so sure about 4 wins. I'm assuming you think they'll beat Washington once and Dallas? Maybe, but there isn't a game on the schedule, with this team that I expect the Giants to win.

I'm with you,though,about the wins in general. It would be far worse to tank the season. More than any other sport, in football that gets people hurt. It doesn't really happen.

Plus, at this point forget the first lick. They've pretty much cemented that the best they can do is the 3rd pick, given the competition.
Don’t let yesterday fool you  
Sammo85 : 11/20/2017 6:46 am : link
This team is still very bad. Giants got very lucky with the weather and the fact the Chiefs clearly didn’t come to play and take us seriously. Chiefs had no pass rushers in the game. No Hali or Bailey. Also had two other of their best defenders out.

They earned the win by simply coming to play. As I said I always love a win but let’s not pretend this changes anything about how ugly this team has been and behaved and the incompetence of the coaches.

I could see them giving a fight to the Cowboys in that game but there’s really no margin for error. Even the Raiders are a bad matchup problem for us even with their struggles. Even the last game of the year will be a needed game now for the Skins to have any playoff shot.

I think they win one more game, possibly either the Cowboys or Cards game.
RE: RE: funny, Apple wasnt missed at all  
Jimmy Googs : 11/20/2017 7:34 am : link
In comment 13697888 EricJ said:
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you are right. I did not even notice that he was not there.


The way you can tell he wasn't on the field is there were no blown coverage assignments in the secondary...
RE: WE found our Bookend tackles and center  
Jimmy Googs : 11/20/2017 7:35 am : link
In comment 13698471 spike said:
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for the next decade. Now just fill in the two guards



Love these types of comments...
Players keep referring to...  
2ndroundKO : 11/20/2017 7:35 am : link
guys getting called out and guys getting benched. But who was benched? Was it Apple? Because I thought that was due to his mom's surgery.
meh. nice to get a win (I think), some good things showed up  
Victor in CT : 11/20/2017 8:55 am : link
* Flowers continues to improve
* just 1 game, but Wheeler was encouraging.
* Jones improving, and battles

so, OL MIGHT not be as bad as we think going forward and letting both Richburg and Pugh go is plausible.

on the other hand:

* JPP sucks and is showing why paying him was a mistake and as Eric put it, he is a "coach killer".
* McAdoo still sucks, as does this offensive scheme.
* where were the trick plays, the calling out individuals for poor play, the despertation in Week 3 when it still mattered?
* the roster is still bereft of any talent at LB, DE (maybe Vernon excepted) RB. Gallman may be something, need to see more. Need more CB and S as well.

Though I can't "root to lose", I think the worst thing that can happen is that they finish strongly enough that Reese survives and McAdoo and staff aren't canned.


RE: RE: They've got two fucking wins  
djm : 11/20/2017 9:49 am : link
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And some of you are actually cursing the Giants out for winning too many games this year? Two!!! ??

They are gonna go 4-12 or so. That's a terrible win total. And some of you are gonna hang on every win and go nuts like the Giants just sabatoged their future with a negative performance. That's so unfair and this coming from someone who wants mcadoo fired and wants the first pick. We all do. But You guys don't get it. They can't NOT TRY! What the hell do you want?

If the Giants win 2-3-4 more games fucking deal with it. You can't lose on purpose and you can't not try or you will get your head taking off. Mcadoo and spags are coaching for their livelihoods. You wanna sulk fine but to actually blast the team is weak. And again, we're talking 2-8 here people not 4-6. This isnt dreaded middle ground territory here this is shit show territory. It's still a train wreck and probably stays that way.

Overall, I agree. However, I'm not so sure about 4 wins. I'm assuming you think they'll beat Washington once and Dallas? Maybe, but there isn't a game on the schedule, with this team that I expect the Giants to win.

I'm with you,though,about the wins in general. It would be far worse to tank the season. More than any other sport, in football that gets people hurt. It doesn't really happen.

Plus, at this point forget the first lick. They've pretty much cemented that the best they can do is the 3rd pick, given the competition.


Yeah you're probably right but the Giants didn't look absolutely terrible yesterday and have no won two games out of the last five or so. With that in mind I could see them sneaking two more wins out of the remaining 6 but it's probably more likely they win one more.

Can we please beat Dallas and all but end their season? We aren't beating Philly...but Dallas has holes. It would be nice to see them come in to Jersey desperate for a win and have the Giants knock them out.

Gun to my head I'll say 4-12 but 3-13 is a good bet too. The Raiders aren't any good. Dallas as mentioned. Skins? I'd give them the edge in both games but they are flawed and just lost Thompson.

I've shifted my attention to Eli's well being and legacy. We're getting a good draft pick no matter what.
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