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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/19/2017 4:23 pm
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Giants played really well  
dpinzow : 11/19/2017 4:23 pm : link
who would have thought it...

It will cost us a draft pick to move up and get a QB though
That was classic Eli balls of steel....  
Britt in VA : 11/19/2017 4:24 pm : link
going deep on 4th and 6. Great catch.
Surprised  
Sammo85 : 11/19/2017 4:24 pm : link
But not upset.

I like wins.

Have to see how they do rest of the year. Could still be very ugly. Weather played big factor today.
Game changer  
XBRONX : 11/19/2017 4:24 pm : link
Keep Reese and Mac.LOL
Good thing  
MookGiants : 11/19/2017 4:24 pm : link
we won that one.

Hard to get excited about any of it. If this game saves anyones job or costs us a top QB that will be disgusting
ok  
giantfan2000 : 11/19/2017 4:24 pm : link
where the hell has this defense been all year?
Rosas redeemed himself.....  
Simms11 : 11/19/2017 4:24 pm : link
and Giants came to play. Nice effort today. Win is always nice.
Agree Britt  
exiled : 11/19/2017 4:24 pm : link
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Best of luck Josh Rosen  
jeff57 : 11/19/2017 4:24 pm : link
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Don’t come in here here thinking you’re  
Rflairr : 11/19/2017 4:25 pm : link
Just going to beat the hell out of us.

Giants showed those bitches

Why were the CBS pbp guys  
BlackLight : 11/19/2017 4:25 pm : link
calling it a questionable decision to kick the FG at the end?
Happy to see our boys play with some guts and pride  
mfsd : 11/19/2017 4:25 pm : link
we’re still getting a high draft pick. I just can’t watch the Giants and root for a loss
Superbowl back on!  
Ryan in Albany : 11/19/2017 4:25 pm : link
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I still dont understand  
yankeeslover : 11/19/2017 4:25 pm : link
Fans whining about a win... let the chips fall as they may.. I hate losing.
RE: Good thing  
TexasGmenFan : 11/19/2017 4:25 pm : link
In comment 13697765 MookGiants said:
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we won that one.

Hard to get excited about any of it. If this game saves anyones job or costs us a top QB that will be disgusting


bingo. i said on the other thread, i think as long as we stay top 3, we should be able to grab Darnold or Rosen going on strong assumption SF doesn't go QB.

*however* if any of these W's, or any potentially remaining, somehow save the jobs of anyone on this staff or the GM, then that's the real fear.
Wins always feel good  
bluepepper : 11/19/2017 4:25 pm : link
nice job Giants.
Flowers and Wheeler  
Danny L : 11/19/2017 4:26 pm : link
Played really well.
RE: Good thing  
Sean : 11/19/2017 4:26 pm : link
In comment 13697765 MookGiants said:
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we won that one.

Hard to get excited about any of it. If this game saves anyones job or costs us a top QB that will be disgusting


Way overstated. Teams trade up all the time if there is a guy that is coveted.
I still think Lewis scored a TD  
kelsto811 : 11/19/2017 4:26 pm : link
By the time he gained possession, he wasn't being touched and wasn't touched after that at all.
RE: Flowers and Wheeler  
Joey in VA : 11/19/2017 4:27 pm : link
In comment 13697784 Danny L said:
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Played really well.
That they did. Wheeler had a few uh ohs but he held up well.
RE: Good thing  
LatHarv83 : 11/19/2017 4:27 pm : link
In comment 13697765 MookGiants said:
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we won that one.

Hard to get excited about any of it. If this game saves anyones job or costs us a top QB that will be disgusting


Yep. Also fuck the chiefs and their pretender asses just dying to lose at home in the playoffs behind an ugly Alex smith performance like this. Not to toot my own horn but I’ve never been a believer at any point with them and the hype this year.

Meaningless win. Hopefully won’t cost us too much. Don’t feel like getting into it with people genuinely stoked about today without the vision to see past this afternoon. If you’re happy right now good for you
Victory!  
Percy : 11/19/2017 4:27 pm : link
Hard-fought, tough game. Excellent to watch the Giants win it. Well-deserved














Tough, hard-fought game. Excellent win. Well-deserved.










I know nothing about football  
bubba0825 : 11/19/2017 4:27 pm : link
I went to my first game at 3 years old. I’ve watched more football than 99% of the population, and yet I would have bet my first born that the giants would have lost today
if SF  
MookGiants : 11/19/2017 4:27 pm : link
doesn't go QB they will look to trade the pick

Watch this game cost us a QB. That will be awful. If we have to sit through this shit all year, we deserve to get a top QB. I don't want games like today just making the rebuild even longer.
Maybe start thinking about Bradley Chubb  
jeff57 : 11/19/2017 4:27 pm : link
Quentin Nelson and Derwin James.
Excited to win a game that'll cost us draft positioning.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/19/2017 4:27 pm : link
This team fucking sucks.
Opposing TE TD  
mushroom : 11/19/2017 4:28 pm : link
Streak finally snapped!
Happy  
AcidTest : 11/19/2017 4:28 pm : link
the Giants won, regardless of how it affects our draft position.

The wind definitely affected how the game was played, but it was still sloppy by both teams, coupled with questionable play calling.

Thought Wheeler was very good. He lost the edge a few times, but frequently turned his man. Flowers again also played well. The OL as a unit gets a game ball. Eli wasn't sacked.

Hard running by Darkwa.

D was stout, but there was again no pressure. Was it Casillas who had 15 or so tackles?

Wing punted well. Three inside the 20 IIRC. Several excellent holds.

Rosas got it done, despite the missed XP.
Good win, the D played well  
PatersonPlank : 11/19/2017 4:28 pm : link
The young tackles did too. The offense still needs work though. If we had OBJ and Shepard we probably would have won going away.
RE: RE: Flowers and Wheeler  
Danny L : 11/19/2017 4:29 pm : link
In comment 13697792 Joey in VA said:
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Played really well.

That they did. Wheeler had a few uh ohs but he held up well.


Yeah that was expected but all in all he help up pretty well again a good DE
RE: Maybe start thinking about Bradley Chubb  
AcidTest : 11/19/2017 4:30 pm : link
In comment 13697800 jeff57 said:
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Quentin Nelson and Derwin James.


My guess is Chubb, but if its not a QB, I'd like to see a trade down to get more picks this year and next. This team has a lot of holes.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/19/2017 4:30 pm : link
Damn it! I can't use my latest disaster front page picture!
A clear TD for Lewis, cannot believe the call  
gtt350 : 11/19/2017 4:30 pm : link
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mostly  
MookGiants : 11/19/2017 4:31 pm : link
fuck the Chiefs for putting that effort on the field today. They walked in like they thought this was just another bye week.

I want this entire thing blown up and the highest pick possible. Days like today don't help.
I also don't buy winning doesn't help us  
PatersonPlank : 11/19/2017 4:31 pm : link
If we can win some games and Flowers, Wheeler, and some other young guys get confidence, then it will really help us next season. The young guys we have improving and getting confidence helps us more than getting a draft choice 5 spots higher (for example).
RE: ...  
Danny L : 11/19/2017 4:31 pm : link
In comment 13697814 Eric from BBI said:
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Damn it! I can't use my latest disaster front page picture!


I bet you get your chance next week.
could be a blessing in diguise to not draft a QB this draft  
gtt350 : 11/19/2017 4:31 pm : link
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RE: I also don't buy winning doesn't help us  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/19/2017 4:32 pm : link
In comment 13697819 PatersonPlank said:
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If we can win some games and Flowers, Wheeler, and some other young guys get confidence, then it will really help us next season. The young guys we have improving and getting confidence helps us more than getting a draft choice 5 spots higher (for example).


No, it doesn't.
what Mook said  
LG in NYC : 11/19/2017 4:32 pm : link
very conflicted watching this game. I'm programmed to root for them but nothing good about them winning this game.
RE: Maybe start thinking about Bradley Chubb  
Simms11 : 11/19/2017 4:32 pm : link
In comment 13697800 jeff57 said:
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Quentin Nelson and Derwin James.


This^ maybe Webb will show he’s capable of being that guy. We will take BPA and Nelson could be that guy.
RE: I still think Lewis scored a TD  
bradshaw44 : 11/19/2017 4:32 pm : link
In comment 13697788 kelsto811 said:
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By the time he gained possession, he wasn't being touched and wasn't touched after that at all.


That was 100% a touchdown.
Or maybe, we get a stud OL  
yankeeslover : 11/19/2017 4:32 pm : link
roll the dice next year with Eli, and have Webb in the wings..from what I hear on this board, Webb is just as good as any QB coming out this year.. Maybe that stud OL will go a long way.. whats the point of taking a QB and have no line in front of them... ask David Carr how that worked.
or another option would be Mayfield or Jackson... Plenty of options... hate rooting for loses.. enjoy it.
When the Defense and O-Line actually show up  
est1986 : 11/19/2017 4:32 pm : link
Imagine adding Odell, Shepard, Marshall and Saquan Barkley to the mix... this game would have gotten out of hand. Good team win.
RE: Flowers and Wheeler  
Rflairr : 11/19/2017 4:33 pm : link
In comment 13697784 Danny L said:
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Played really well.


Flowers has been playing at an Elite level for several weeks
lewis catch  
giantfan2000 : 11/19/2017 4:33 pm : link
how is he down when he had not secured the catch until he was free of defensive player

Refs still pissing me off but they let them play  
Bluesbreaker : 11/19/2017 4:34 pm : link
so to speak . Take the win there won't be many more this season . We still need to blow this shit up defense showed
some pride . Flowers again held his own for all the bashing he is earning praise . Wish people would stop complaining about Manning he is still a gamer and he proved it .
Kelce is a tough guy to defend you go low he can jump over you take him high he can run you over .
Jackrabbit showed why he is one of the best in the game .
Snacks is a warrior . Collins we got 3 picks should have been four we zero TD's people knocking the defense needs to stfu ..
RE: Rosas redeemed himself.....  
bradshaw44 : 11/19/2017 4:34 pm : link
In comment 13697767 Simms11 said:
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and Giants came to play. Nice effort today. Win is always nice.


Game doesn’t go to OT if he makes the PAT. He didn’t redeem shit.
This team was never going 1-15..  
Sean : 11/19/2017 4:34 pm : link
anyone who thought that is an idiot. This will likely be 4-12 / 5-11. Remember. We picked 4th in 2004.
Screw the QB....if we keep winning  
Massgman : 11/19/2017 4:34 pm : link
.....games the odds go up that Reese stays
RE: I also don't buy winning doesn't help us  
rocco8112 : 11/19/2017 4:34 pm : link
In comment 13697819 PatersonPlank said:
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If we can win some games and Flowers, Wheeler, and some other young guys get confidence, then it will really help us next season. The young guys we have improving and getting confidence helps us more than getting a draft choice 5 spots higher (for example).


I think this is a good point. But, I also agree that having to watch a season like this should result in a top five pick that gives a chance at the best QB's coming out. In theory the Giants should not be picking that high very often.


I thought Lewis catch and run was a TD.
RE: I also don't buy winning doesn't help us  
LatHarv83 : 11/19/2017 4:35 pm : link
In comment 13697819 PatersonPlank said:
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If we can win some games and Flowers, Wheeler, and some other young guys get confidence, then it will really help us next season. The young guys we have improving and getting confidence helps us more than getting a draft choice 5 spots higher (for example).


It rarely works like that. How did the wins at the end of 2013 help us in 2014? How did the wins at the end of 2014 help us in 2015? And falling apart at the end of 2015 certainly didn’t hurt us in 2016. Each season is unique, impossible to expect carry over with all the roster turnover and regime changes upcoming
RE: A clear TD for Lewis, cannot believe the call  
section125 : 11/19/2017 4:35 pm : link
In comment 13697816 gtt350 said:
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I thought so too, but he still had a finger on the biceps..
i called this win and the Denver win!  
markky : 11/19/2017 4:35 pm : link
I was wrong every other week though
RE: lewis catch  
BlackLight : 11/19/2017 4:35 pm : link
In comment 13697833 giantfan2000 said:
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how is he down when he had not secured the catch until he was free of defensive player


I think the argument is that he had secured the ball while still being contacted by the defender.
RE: Good thing  
mphbullet36 : 11/19/2017 4:35 pm : link
In comment 13697765 MookGiants said:
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we won that one.

Hard to get excited about any of it. If this game saves anyones job or costs us a top QB that will be disgusting


someone gets it
the problem here isnt the draft choice but the  
gtt350 : 11/19/2017 4:36 pm : link
keeping of the staff and GM
RE: ...  
Diver_Down : 11/19/2017 4:37 pm : link
In comment 13697814 Eric from BBI said:
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Damn it! I can't use my latest disaster front page picture!


Save it for the 17th.
First of all  
joeinpa : 11/19/2017 4:37 pm : link
2 wins hardly takes them out of draft position to get a quarterback if they want one.

Secondly, as bad a job as this coaching staff has done this season, in particular MacAdoo. If you aren't willing to give him credit for a win no one thought they had a chance of achieving, then you are not being fair.

For this team to come from the tumult and poor performances of the past two weeks, and play spirited as they did today, the Coach gets the credit, like him or not.

And yes, 6 more efforts like this, with a win against say the Cowboys and the Eagles,, and the Redskins, he might get to stay.
Giants still in the 3 spot  
jeff57 : 11/19/2017 4:37 pm : link
But I could see them winning the final 2 games and ending up 4-12. And picking fifth.
sad part for me is  
GIANTS128 : 11/19/2017 4:37 pm : link
you see a lot of the issues on defense was effort/heart. That is the real shame
The top 3 pick stuff likely won’t happen..  
Sean : 11/19/2017 4:39 pm : link
I can the Giants winning Thursday too. Redskins just had a brutal loss.
RE: This team was never going 1-15..  
MookGiants : 11/19/2017 4:39 pm : link
In comment 13697838 Sean said:
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anyone who thought that is an idiot. This will likely be 4-12 / 5-11. Remember. We picked 4th in 2004.


Wait, you watched the team play on the field recently and then added in all of the injuries and thought there was no way they were going 1-15?

They got destroyed by probably the worst team in all of football last week.

Anyone who thins this team is going 4-12 or 4-12 is more of an idiot than someone who thought they would go 1-15.

This team sucks balls, today doesn't change it at all. The ineptitude of the chiefs today coming in here like it was a scrimmage is the only reason the Giants had a chance, that and the wind
funny, Apple wasnt missed at all  
gtt350 : 11/19/2017 4:39 pm : link
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I would not mind  
section125 : 11/19/2017 4:40 pm : link
Quentin Nelson 1st round. Watched he and McGlinchey yesterday. Think McGlinchey is a bit too slow, but Nelson can motor.
RE: Giants still in the 3 spot  
mphbullet36 : 11/19/2017 4:41 pm : link
In comment 13697853 jeff57 said:
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But I could see them winning the final 2 games and ending up 4-12. And picking fifth.


they could easily win next week too. WAS blew a huge lead in NO and they are quitting on there coach too and a short week we have the momentum.

We could easily end with 5 wins now and could cost us 5 or 6 spots in draft position.

would be catastrophic and set the franchise back even longer!
RE: Wins always feel good  
mphbullet36 : 11/19/2017 4:42 pm : link
In comment 13697782 bluepepper said:
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nice job Giants.


not on april 26th comes and you are mad we are picking an eli apple instead of jake conklin...
RE: RE: This team was never going 1-15..  
section125 : 11/19/2017 4:45 pm : link
In comment 13697857 MookGiants said:
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In comment 13697838 Sean said:


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anyone who thought that is an idiot. This will likely be 4-12 / 5-11. Remember. We picked 4th in 2004.



Wait, you watched the team play on the field recently and then added in all of the injuries and thought there was no way they were going 1-15?

They got destroyed by probably the worst team in all of football last week.

Anyone who thins this team is going 4-12 or 4-12 is more of an idiot than someone who thought they would go 1-15.

This team sucks balls, today doesn't change it at all. The ineptitude of the chiefs today coming in here like it was a scrimmage is the only reason the Giants had a chance, that and the wind


Geez Mook, it was effort that cost games and bad coaching. 4-12 is not crazy any more than 1-15 would be. Personally, 4 wins is likely max because I doubt they play this hard again. But if they do they have a chance to win 2 more.
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christian : 11/19/2017 4:45 pm : link
2-14 and win against a collapsing Chiefs team isn't saving anyone's job.

Giants aren't likely to lose more than the 9ers or Browns without a major absolutely quitting on the field. They are talented enough to win games against average teams.

If there is a QB the new GM desires he'll move it up and get him if necessary.
RE: funny, Apple wasnt missed at all  
EricJ : 11/19/2017 4:46 pm : link
In comment 13697859 gtt350 said:
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you are right. I did not even notice that he was not there.
RE: RE: This team was never going 1-15..  
rocco8112 : 11/19/2017 4:47 pm : link
In comment 13697857 MookGiants said:
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In comment 13697838 Sean said:


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anyone who thought that is an idiot. This will likely be 4-12 / 5-11. Remember. We picked 4th in 2004.



Wait, you watched the team play on the field recently and then added in all of the injuries and thought there was no way they were going 1-15?

They got destroyed by probably the worst team in all of football last week.

Anyone who thins this team is going 4-12 or 4-12 is more of an idiot than someone who thought they would go 1-15.

This team sucks balls, today doesn't change it at all. The ineptitude of the chiefs today coming in here like it was a scrimmage is the only reason the Giants had a chance, that and the wind


Yeah, this is true.
You guys better start warming up to Josh Allen.  
bceagle05 : 11/19/2017 4:47 pm : link
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RE: RE: funny, Apple wasnt missed at all  
Sarcastic Sam : 11/19/2017 4:47 pm : link
In comment 13697888 EricJ said:
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you are right. I did not even notice that he was not there.


I did, around midway through the 3rd quarter when we weren't getting a PI called against us every defensive drive....
RE: Maybe start thinking about Bradley Chubb  
Carson53 : 11/19/2017 4:51 pm : link
In comment 13697800 jeff57 said:
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Quentin Nelson and Derwin James.
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Why, because they finally won another game?
I am still hoping for a top 3 pick myself.
Glad they at least played with effort today.
That's why they are the Chefs, just when some people
want to buy into them, they become the Chefs.
That team started out 5-0, LOL.
If I was the Chefs, I would move on from Alex Smith,
he is a FA, they drafted a kid, move on.
now I have read it all....  
BillKo : 11/19/2017 4:52 pm : link
we are not mad at the Chiefs for playing lousy football.

SMH.

Good job Giants for hanging in there and getting the W.

Who care about a draft pick........all I know is we got the best player in franchise history drafting #2.
Ray Handley’s final win as an NFL head coach  
Matt in SGS : 11/19/2017 4:52 pm : link
Was a home game vs the KC Chiefs at Giants Stadium. Just sayin’

Glad to see Rosas experience a pressure kick in OT

Carry on
RE: RE: Rosas redeemed himself.....  
Carson53 : 11/19/2017 4:54 pm : link
In comment 13697836 bradshaw44 said:
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and Giants came to play. Nice effort today. Win is always nice.




Game doesn’t go to OT if he makes the PAT. He didn’t redeem shit.


He got experience dealing with the winds at the Meadowlands
in November, not surprising. That was like a bad pitching wedge in golf. Live and learn they say.
Wins are always good.  
idiotsavant : 11/19/2017 4:54 pm : link
There is plenty of reason to switch up the management and coaching, even if we win the rest of the way.

Be glad for less expected pieces like King and the O tackle.
RE: now I have read it all....  
Carson53 : 11/19/2017 4:56 pm : link
In comment 13697909 BillKo said:
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we are not mad at the Chiefs for playing lousy football.

SMH.

Good job Giants for hanging in there and getting the W.

Who care about a draft pick........all I know is we got the best player in franchise history drafting #2.


I look at the big picture, not a little victory.
RE: RE: Flowers and Wheeler  
dpinzow : 11/19/2017 5:01 pm : link
In comment 13697831 Rflairr said:
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Played really well.



Flowers has been playing at an Elite level for several weeks


Don't know about an elite level (still takes a few holding penalties to avoid sacks) but he has played a lot better and is at worst a passable left tackle now
RE: RE: This team was never going 1-15..  
Sean : 11/19/2017 5:02 pm : link
In comment 13697857 MookGiants said:
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anyone who thought that is an idiot. This will likely be 4-12 / 5-11. Remember. We picked 4th in 2004.



Wait, you watched the team play on the field recently and then added in all of the injuries and thought there was no way they were going 1-15?

They got destroyed by probably the worst team in all of football last week.

Anyone who thins this team is going 4-12 or 4-12 is more of an idiot than someone who thought they would go 1-15.

This team sucks balls, today doesn't change it at all. The ineptitude of the chiefs today coming in here like it was a scrimmage is the only reason the Giants had a chance, that and the wind


It is totally reasonable to think they could win a game against the Redskins & Cardinals.
Jones and Fluker continue to play pretty well  
jeff57 : 11/19/2017 5:08 pm : link
in the run game. I think Richburg has played his last snap with the Giants.
lol  
WillVAB : 11/19/2017 5:15 pm : link
@ people mad the Giants won
RE: Jones and Fluker continue to play pretty well  
Carson53 : 11/19/2017 5:17 pm : link
In comment 13697951 jeff57 said:
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in the run game. I think Richburg has played his last snap with the Giants.
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I wouldn't mind if they move on from Richburg, Jones is a RFA.
The young man Wheeler, held his own today.
Flowers has made some progress, slower than we would like,
but some progress...
Gotta be real proud the way the Giants played today...  
M.S. : 11/19/2017 5:20 pm : link

...it wasn't pretty, but they played tough all day and deserved to win.

Here's three cheers for the men in Blue:

Hip Hip Hooray!
Hip Hip Hooray!!
Hip Hip Hooray!!!
Nice Win. Don't Care About Draft Hypotheticals,  
clatterbuck : 11/19/2017 5:26 pm : link
you play to win. You coach to win. They played hard and with pride. I'll take it. Any chance McAdoo made the FG decision at end to give his rookie kicker a chance to win the game and build some confidence? Also nice to see Alex Smith morph back into Alex Smith.
RE: RE: funny, Apple wasnt missed at all  
bradshaw44 : 11/19/2017 5:26 pm : link
In comment 13697888 EricJ said:
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you are right. I did not even notice that he was not there.


I noticed he wasn’t there. Because I noticed not noticing a DB being way out of position during big plays.
RE: RE: I still think Lewis scored a TD  
Bill in Del : 11/19/2017 6:02 pm : link
In comment 13697826 bradshaw44 said:
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By the time he gained possession, he wasn't being touched and wasn't touched after that at all.



That was 100% a touchdown.


Just got done watching the replay...!00% correct that was a TD...I thought the refs sucked in this game.
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yankees78 : 11/19/2017 6:09 pm : link
eh
Agree on some of the calls......  
Doomster : 11/19/2017 6:13 pm : link
I felt Lewis did not have possession when he was touched...

Also disagree on the PI against Engram.....while he did extend his hand, it was not a push off of the defender....it looked that way because he was breaking to the sideline while the defender went straight....
It's a small point but if Roasa made the extra point  
12aob : 11/19/2017 6:14 pm : link
The Chiefs likely don't kick their 3rd FG but go for it on 4h down. Maybe we hold and win in regulation but maybe they make it and score TD and we lose.
**Rosas  
12aob : 11/19/2017 6:15 pm : link
I hate typing on my phone
RE: could be a blessing in diguise to not draft a QB this draft  
Matt M. : 11/19/2017 6:15 pm : link
In comment 13697822 gtt350 said:
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That's what I've been saying. This was not the year to be angling cor a QB and I wouldn't draft one just because we have a high pick. Top 5 pick doesn't automatically equal franchise AN.

That said, they are still fairly likely to be in position for 1 and maybe 2 of the top 3, plus Mayfield for sure. This will be interesting.


And I will say this...i don't care if they win every single remaining game. I still want the GM, HC, entire coaching staff, and a good portion of the scouting dept. gone.
Does anyone else have the same gut feeling  
Matt M. : 11/19/2017 6:22 pm : link
that Rosas' missed PAT may actually be the reason we won? Had they been up 10-6 and a FG was no longer an option for the Chiefs, I keep getting this feeling they would have scored the TD. That said, of course, another missed kick by Rosas is a cause of concern.

He is a rookie, so some patience must be used. I wouldn't cut him now, as some people have been calling for, especially with the season already lost. But, I would, at the very least, have another PK in for competition in the off season.
Here's to hoping Wheeler plays the rest of the season  
Matt M. : 11/19/2017 6:23 pm : link
and progresses. With Flowers playing better each week, we may have bookend OTs for the next few years. They may not be the best, but if it is even a decent pair, they have more flexibility with the rest of the OL.
Andy Reid got too cute for his own good  
Matt M. : 11/19/2017 6:25 pm : link
and possibly cost his team the game. A position player already threw one INT today and the wind was a problem. So, calling for a trick play with Kelce throwing deep may not have been the best decision.
RE: Does anyone else have the same gut feeling  
section125 : 11/19/2017 6:29 pm : link
In comment 13698106 Matt M. said:
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that Rosas' missed PAT may actually be the reason we won? Had they been up 10-6 and a FG was no longer an option for the Chiefs, I keep getting this feeling they would have scored the TD. That said, of course, another missed kick by Rosas is a cause of concern.

He is a rookie, so some patience must be used. I wouldn't cut him now, as some people have been calling for, especially with the season already lost. But, I would, at the very least, have another PK in for competition in the off season.


The wind killed that PAT. I don't know if he got under it, but man that thing just died. Like hitting a 180 yard club on a 130 yard hole and it ends up short...
And by the way, Eli is still the man  
Matt M. : 11/19/2017 6:44 pm : link
That was a grewat play on 4th and 6. And all day, he stood tall in the pocket and avoided the rush when it was there, including a nice run for a 1st down.
RE: Andy Reid got too cute for his own good  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/19/2017 7:12 pm : link
In comment 13698112 Matt M. said:
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and possibly cost his team the game. A position player already threw one INT today and the wind was a problem. So, calling for a trick play with Kelce throwing deep may not have been the best decision.


This was the worst coached game I've ever seen from an Andy Reid team.
RE: RE: funny, Apple wasnt missed at all  
RottenApple : 11/19/2017 7:28 pm : link
In comment 13697888 EricJ said:
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you are right. I did not even notice that he was not there.


I noticed. I didn’t see a baby on the sideline asking for his pacifier.
I know they don’t come here often  
LatHarv83 : 11/19/2017 7:32 pm : link
And haven’t been in 12 years now, but kinda fascinating the Chiefs have still never won a road game against the Giants. Ever. They’re 0-7 now.
I don't care right now that it drops the Giants draft position.  
FStubbs : 11/19/2017 7:45 pm : link
A win always feels good.
RE: Ray Handley’s final win as an NFL head coach  
FStubbs : 11/19/2017 7:52 pm : link
In comment 13697910 Matt in SGS said:
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Was a home game vs the KC Chiefs at Giants Stadium. Just sayin’

Glad to see Rosas experience a pressure kick in OT

Carry on


Okay you win this thread. Hats off.
RE: I know they don’t come here often  
japanhead : 11/19/2017 8:33 pm : link
In comment 13698219 LatHarv83 said:
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And haven’t been in 12 years now, but kinda fascinating the Chiefs have still never won a road game against the Giants. Ever. They’re 0-7 now.


that is really interesting i never knew that until today. i like folklore.
but the chiefs  
japanhead : 11/19/2017 8:34 pm : link
have lost 4 out of their last 5 games and looking to be trending downward. i maintain that alex smith is a phony QB, propped up by andy reid and his system.
Hard to be unhappy about a win  
TJ : 11/19/2017 9:42 pm : link
But it's hard to be happy about a win.
It Doesn't Matter Where You PIck  
Jim in NH : 11/19/2017 9:54 pm : link
But it matters a lot who does the picking.

The next Tom Brady is out there. So is the next Ryan Leaf.
WE found our Bookend tackles and center  
spike : 11/19/2017 10:29 pm : link
for the next decade. Now just fill in the two guards
RE: but the chiefs  
spike : 11/19/2017 10:29 pm : link
In comment 13698295 japanhead said:
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have lost 4 out of their last 5 games and looking to be trending downward. i maintain that alex smith is a phony QB, propped up by andy reid and his system.


Eli would ve taken that team to the championship game.
They've got two fucking wins  
djm : 11/19/2017 10:43 pm : link
And some of you are actually cursing the Giants out for winning too many games this year? Two!!! ??

They are gonna go 4-12 or so. That's a terrible win total. And some of you are gonna hang on every win and go nuts like the Giants just sabatoged their future with a negative performance. That's so unfair and this coming from someone who wants mcadoo fired and wants the first pick. We all do. But You guys don't get it. They can't NOT TRY! What the hell do you want?

If the Giants win 2-3-4 more games fucking deal with it. You can't lose on purpose and you can't not try or you will get your head taking off. Mcadoo and spags are coaching for their livelihoods. You wanna sulk fine but to actually blast the team is weak. And again, we're talking 2-8 here people not 4-6. This isnt dreaded middle ground territory here this is shit show territory. It's still a train wreck and probably stays that way.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 11/20/2017 12:14 am : link
Complain when they lose because they weren't competitive enough.

Complain when they win because win totals

Complain complain complain.
Players  
Dragon : 11/20/2017 12:35 am : link
As a team all areas did what was required to obtain a win. Now as a coach it’s hard not to shake your in disgust because if these guys want to perform they are very talented on defense. On offense the rhythm was good and I believe only one delay of game penalty. It’s not the coaches it’s these players who have to want to win on the field.
Feel good about the win.  
Giant John : 11/20/2017 1:19 am : link
Changed my Sunday afternoon for the better. I agreed with the Lewis call. Good catch but no TD.
RE: Feel good about the win.  
Matt M. : 11/20/2017 5:38 am : link
In comment 13698607 Giant John said:
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Changed my Sunday afternoon for the better. I agreed with the Lewis call. Good catch but no TD.
Me too. I thought it was quite obvious he was down by contact. They would have needed irrefutable evidence to rule it a TD. That evidence just wasn't there.
RE: They've got two fucking wins  
Matt M. : 11/20/2017 5:43 am : link
In comment 13698483 djm said:
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And some of you are actually cursing the Giants out for winning too many games this year? Two!!! ??

They are gonna go 4-12 or so. That's a terrible win total. And some of you are gonna hang on every win and go nuts like the Giants just sabatoged their future with a negative performance. That's so unfair and this coming from someone who wants mcadoo fired and wants the first pick. We all do. But You guys don't get it. They can't NOT TRY! What the hell do you want?

If the Giants win 2-3-4 more games fucking deal with it. You can't lose on purpose and you can't not try or you will get your head taking off. Mcadoo and spags are coaching for their livelihoods. You wanna sulk fine but to actually blast the team is weak. And again, we're talking 2-8 here people not 4-6. This isnt dreaded middle ground territory here this is shit show territory. It's still a train wreck and probably stays that way.
Overall, I agree. However, I'm not so sure about 4 wins. I'm assuming you think they'll beat Washington once and Dallas? Maybe, but there isn't a game on the schedule, with this team that I expect the Giants to win.

I'm with you,though,about the wins in general. It would be far worse to tank the season. More than any other sport, in football that gets people hurt. It doesn't really happen.

Plus, at this point forget the first lick. They've pretty much cemented that the best they can do is the 3rd pick, given the competition.
Don’t let yesterday fool you  
Sammo85 : 11/20/2017 6:46 am : link
This team is still very bad. Giants got very lucky with the weather and the fact the Chiefs clearly didn’t come to play and take us seriously. Chiefs had no pass rushers in the game. No Hali or Bailey. Also had two other of their best defenders out.

They earned the win by simply coming to play. As I said I always love a win but let’s not pretend this changes anything about how ugly this team has been and behaved and the incompetence of the coaches.

I could see them giving a fight to the Cowboys in that game but there’s really no margin for error. Even the Raiders are a bad matchup problem for us even with their struggles. Even the last game of the year will be a needed game now for the Skins to have any playoff shot.

I think they win one more game, possibly either the Cowboys or Cards game.
RE: RE: funny, Apple wasnt missed at all  
Jimmy Googs : 11/20/2017 7:34 am : link
In comment 13697888 EricJ said:
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you are right. I did not even notice that he was not there.


The way you can tell he wasn't on the field is there were no blown coverage assignments in the secondary...
RE: WE found our Bookend tackles and center  
Jimmy Googs : 11/20/2017 7:35 am : link
In comment 13698471 spike said:
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for the next decade. Now just fill in the two guards



Love these types of comments...
Players keep referring to...  
2ndroundKO : 11/20/2017 7:35 am : link
guys getting called out and guys getting benched. But who was benched? Was it Apple? Because I thought that was due to his mom's surgery.
meh. nice to get a win (I think), some good things showed up  
Victor in CT : 11/20/2017 8:55 am : link
* Flowers continues to improve
* just 1 game, but Wheeler was encouraging.
* Jones improving, and battles

so, OL MIGHT not be as bad as we think going forward and letting both Richburg and Pugh go is plausible.

on the other hand:

* JPP sucks and is showing why paying him was a mistake and as Eric put it, he is a "coach killer".
* McAdoo still sucks, as does this offensive scheme.
* where were the trick plays, the calling out individuals for poor play, the despertation in Week 3 when it still mattered?
* the roster is still bereft of any talent at LB, DE (maybe Vernon excepted) RB. Gallman may be something, need to see more. Need more CB and S as well.

Though I can't "root to lose", I think the worst thing that can happen is that they finish strongly enough that Reese survives and McAdoo and staff aren't canned.


RE: RE: They've got two fucking wins  
djm : 11/20/2017 9:49 am : link
In comment 13698624 Matt M. said:
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And some of you are actually cursing the Giants out for winning too many games this year? Two!!! ??

They are gonna go 4-12 or so. That's a terrible win total. And some of you are gonna hang on every win and go nuts like the Giants just sabatoged their future with a negative performance. That's so unfair and this coming from someone who wants mcadoo fired and wants the first pick. We all do. But You guys don't get it. They can't NOT TRY! What the hell do you want?

If the Giants win 2-3-4 more games fucking deal with it. You can't lose on purpose and you can't not try or you will get your head taking off. Mcadoo and spags are coaching for their livelihoods. You wanna sulk fine but to actually blast the team is weak. And again, we're talking 2-8 here people not 4-6. This isnt dreaded middle ground territory here this is shit show territory. It's still a train wreck and probably stays that way.

Overall, I agree. However, I'm not so sure about 4 wins. I'm assuming you think they'll beat Washington once and Dallas? Maybe, but there isn't a game on the schedule, with this team that I expect the Giants to win.

I'm with you,though,about the wins in general. It would be far worse to tank the season. More than any other sport, in football that gets people hurt. It doesn't really happen.

Plus, at this point forget the first lick. They've pretty much cemented that the best they can do is the 3rd pick, given the competition.


Yeah you're probably right but the Giants didn't look absolutely terrible yesterday and have no won two games out of the last five or so. With that in mind I could see them sneaking two more wins out of the remaining 6 but it's probably more likely they win one more.

Can we please beat Dallas and all but end their season? We aren't beating Philly...but Dallas has holes. It would be nice to see them come in to Jersey desperate for a win and have the Giants knock them out.

Gun to my head I'll say 4-12 but 3-13 is a good bet too. The Raiders aren't any good. Dallas as mentioned. Skins? I'd give them the edge in both games but they are flawed and just lost Thompson.

I've shifted my attention to Eli's well being and legacy. We're getting a good draft pick no matter what.
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