He has company there, joining every qb who has ever lived. He’s also had more than his share of dynamic skill players and he had the organization invest and re-invest in restocking them when injuries derailed things with certain guys. Why are we acting like he was his dad on the saints? Eli had a good run here. 2013 onward hasn’t been the best but he shares responsibility there too for some of it.
And to be honest I really don’t give a shit if some of you can’t see my perspective or downright refuse to, but there is something I find a bit irking as an African American to see our fan base slobber all over Eli while trashing Jerry Reese at every opportunity. Reese has for the most part done well by him. I’m not calling anyone a racist though I’m sure some will take it that way, I’m just saying that’s also playing into my sensibilities here. I don’t expect many of you to understand
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He has company there, joining every qb who has ever lived. He’s also had more than his share of dynamic skill players and he had the organization invest and re-invest in restocking them when injuries derailed things with certain guys. Why are we acting like he was his dad on the saints? Eli had a good run here. 2013 onward hasn’t been the best but he shares responsibility there too for some of it.
And to be honest I really don’t give a shit if some of you can’t see my perspective or downright refuse to, but there is something I find a bit irking as an African American to see our fan base slobber all over Eli while trashing Jerry Reese at every opportunity. Reese has for the most part done well by him. I’m not calling anyone a racist though I’m sure some will take it that way, I’m just saying that’s also playing into my sensibilities here. I don’t expect many of you to understand
The Giants were a premiere franchise who were seen as being one of the best run in football even coming off a down 2003. Eli forced his way here to avoid less desirable situations for a reason. We were in the super bowl 4 years before he got here and werent too far removed in the grand scheme of things from winning it twice. He didn’t join the bengals or the browns or the charger franchise he wanted no part of. He joined a franchise with an incredible legacy and he leaves here having contributed to it. Bad run at the end? Sure. Take it in totality though? Playing hardball with San Diego worked out for him, don’t know how anyone can say otherwise
Eli seems like he is a great guy, very good qb, glad to have had him. Don’t feel the need to shit on the Giants to prop him up
The way I remember it the only reason he didn't want to go to San Diego was because of the war between Schottenheimer and AJ Smith - and then Schottenheimer told him that Smith preferred Rivers. Then he said "if that's the case I'd rather not play in San Diego" which Smith then took to the media and turned into a circus.
Who was running our drafts since well before he even officially became the GM. He is also a historic figure in the league for reasons that may not even occur to many of you... All the benefit of the doubt we give afford Eli Manning and the general love he is given should also be afforded to the man who largely built the two Sb winning teams Manning started for. Including the 07 team who people try to downplay credit for....yet he is given zero slack whatsoever for a down stretch which has also included some bad injury luck.
If you can’t see how someone in my position can’t contrast that and feel a certain way, while again not accusing anyone of overt racism, then you are too beyond reach to bother with here.
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He has company there, joining every qb who has ever lived. He’s also had more than his share of dynamic skill players and he had the organization invest and re-invest in restocking them when injuries derailed things with certain guys. Why are we acting like he was his dad on the saints? Eli had a good run here. 2013 onward hasn’t been the best but he shares responsibility there too for some of it.
And to be honest I really don’t give a shit if some of you can’t see my perspective or downright refuse to, but there is something I find a bit irking as an African American to see our fan base slobber all over Eli while trashing Jerry Reese at every opportunity. Reese has for the most part done well by him. I’m not calling anyone a racist though I’m sure some will take it that way, I’m just saying that’s also playing into my sensibilities here. I don’t expect many of you to understand
Are you a bigger fan of Jerry Reese or the Giants?
Who happens to also be incredibly proud of Jerry Reese, the doors he has opened potentially for others, and the class he has conducted himself with as gm of my team. But even above all that, the fact that he has his hands all over two Sb winners. Yet on this thread he is indirectly being painted as a stooge who let Ei down. He has represented us very well. The same people who want to act like it’s sacreigious to do anything other than bow before Eli will knock Jerry Reese every chance they get. They both deserve credit when things go well and blame when they don’t.
I’m not accusing anyone of being overtly racist, but if you can’t see how someone in my position can find this unseemly then you’re just one of those people blind to the feelings of others who don’t share your life experiences. Period
Dude I just checked your profile and every thread in your posting history is an Eli thread. You love him. Good for you. Only hole here is the one in Eli’s backside that you seem to want into
marc ross and chris mara are the two stooges who let us down and that reese just got caught up in trying to keep everyone happy. that way there is one white stooge and one black stooge. not that it's great to have a GM who you regard as being half neutered by the owner but hey, i'm not saying he's a stooge. the giants probably don't win the first SB if he doesn't cut pettigout and slot diehl at OLT.
Let's not pretend the adoration heaped on Coughlin for being a two time SB championship winning coach while giving Reese little or no credit for building those teams is accidental.
Larry Donnell? How about the shitload of premium picks spent on the offensive side of the ball during Reese's tenure? The entire organizational philosophy revolved around drafting big-time playmakers to provide Eli weapons to the point that we've neglected the trenches. Isn't that the popular narrative here? Now it's Reese hasn't given Eli any weapons.
He has company there, joining every qb who has ever lived. He’s also had more than his share of dynamic skill players and he had the organization invest and re-invest in restocking them when injuries derailed things with certain guys. Why are we acting like he was his dad on the saints? Eli had a good run here. 2013 onward hasn’t been the best but he shares responsibility there too for some of it.
And to be honest I really don’t give a shit if some of you can’t see my perspective or downright refuse to, but there is something I find a bit irking as an African American to see our fan base slobber all over Eli while trashing Jerry Reese at every opportunity. Reese has for the most part done well by him. I’m not calling anyone a racist though I’m sure some will take it that way, I’m just saying that’s also playing into my sensibilities here. I don’t expect many of you to understand
I'm more accustomed to these brain-dead comments after losses...
Anyone completely dismissive of the feelings someone in my position can have about this dynamic just doesn’t possess any ability for one second to see a point of view that sits outside your bubble. That’s fine though. I don’t expect you to have any earthly grasp on matters like this and how conversations like this can come off a certain way to certain people. The fact that you are so quick to dismiss them speaks to your own shortcomings
Only thing brain dead here is your ability to grasp any nuanced point. I’m not calling anyone a racist but denying dynamics such as this can exist even on a subconscious level is indeed the new racism
Warrants that loyalty. And his prime years have absolutely been wasted on the likes of Larry Donnell. Excuse me if I could care less if a Donnell gets dumped on while Eki gets defended and celebrated.
Prime years throwing to Donnell? He was throwing to Donnell when he was 35
Where Larry Donnell was our primary receiver. Which year was that again? You know, since you're absolutely sure we wasted so many of Eli's prime years.
Anyone completely dismissive of the feelings someone in my position can have about this dynamic just doesn’t possess any ability for one second to see a point of view that sits outside your bubble. That’s fine though. I don’t expect you to have any earthly grasp on matters like this and how conversations like this can come off a certain way to certain people. The fact that you are so quick to dismiss them speaks to your own shortcomings
Only thing brain dead here is your ability to grasp any nuanced point. I’m not calling anyone a racist but denying dynamics such as this can exist even on a subconscious level is indeed the new racism
Who happens to also be incredibly proud of Jerry Reese, the doors he has opened potentially for others, and the class he has conducted himself with as gm of my team. But even above all that, the fact that he has his hands all over two Sb winners. Yet on this thread he is indirectly being painted as a stooge who let Ei down. He has represented us very well. The same people who want to act like it’s sacreigious to do anything other than bow before Eli will knock Jerry Reese every chance they get. They both deserve credit when things go well and blame when they don’t.
I’m not accusing anyone of being overtly racist, but if you can’t see how someone in my position can find this unseemly then you’re just one of those people blind to the feelings of others who don’t share your life experiences. Period
There we go pulling that Racist card out of your ass because you have nothing else. Seriously what an ignorant ass ploy to use
Where Larry Donnell was our primary receiver. Which year was that again? You know, since you're absolutely sure we wasted so many of Eli's prime years.
Must have been during the years we where we had the best running game in the NFL for half a decade
From 2004-2010 the Giants ran for 14,972 yards. The only team who ran for more yards was Atlanta because their qb was a once in a lifetime
Scrambler. The Giants also led the nfl in ypc in that span at 4.62
That’s actually 7 seasons, longer than half a decade. Yet idiots who have heir head so far up Eli’s ass won’t even concede facts. Facts are in this span our qb was a secondary fear for opposing defenses
There is no need to participate in this any further. I know the demo around here, I know how that demo can be regarding any conversation that even injects any shred of race even tangentially. Fact is the flagrant disrespect shown to Jerry Reese here is absolutely deplorable considering what he has done for the franchise. The same people who get on their high horse about a critical syllable uttered about Eli are all about the bash Reese bandwagon including ignoring blatant facts. I’ve been called a crackheas and an idiot for simply stating factually that the Giants running game in the first 6-7 years of Eli’s career was amazing. I’ve heard before Beckham he never had a wr other than play. Or that the defense that carried us in 2 Sb runs has sucked. Poor Eli getting hamstrung by the idiot Jerry Reese. People keep telling on themselves
Chris Mara gets just as much sh-t as Reese for his hand in the drafting. Ben McAdoo gets an equal amount of sh-t.
Reese was great and nobody ever gave him sh-t prior to 2012. Remember "In Reese We Trust"? That was a motto that was repeated here nearly unanimously for years.
When the O-line went to sh-t, so did the team.
Ernie Accorsi built the line that we rode to two championships if you want to talk facts. Jerry Reese did not draft or free agent sign a single one of those guys that contributed to the 14,000 rushing yards offensive line you referenced earlier.
Reese gets sh-t on for his job performance. For you to bring race into the equation is nothing more than a witch hunt. Ridiculous.
You're actually the deplorable one for making a sweeping accusation Â
but for building the trenches, where I believe football games are won and lost, he has been poor.
IMO, the Giants decline is directly associated with the decline of the offensive line, and the defensive line ain't been that great in awhile either, until the massive spending spree a season ago.
That is directly where Reese failed. And it has NOTHING to do with his skin color.
If you think Reese didn’t start making draft day calls Â
And have personnel Input prior to 2007, then you simply don’t know a damn thing about the inner workings of the Giants in that time period. From
About 2003 onward he was running the draft, well before he was named GM. That’s pretty common knowledge.
And telling me that mcadoo gets crap doesn’t say anything. He’s never accomplished a damn thing for the franchise, I like the two time Sb winning gm who we like to trash at every turn and deny history just to prop up your hero. Your Eli worship in particular is a bit creepy Britt
He's a two time winning coach. He got plenty of sh-t on his way out, during the time period from 2012 to 2015.
You're accusation doesn't hold water. Over half the damn team is black, and we love them, but we hate Reese because he's black?
Get the f-ck out of here. Jerry Reese was highly, HIGHLY regarded around here for a long time. But all of the sudden we realized he was black so now we don't like him?
You think you're identifying closet racists over their disdain... Â
I said as a black man I cant help but feel a certain way about some of the dialogue surrounding him. Does make me uncomfortable. Don’t expect you to understand. Don’t give a shit if you do. There’s a large gap between that though and calling people racists for being critical of Reese. I can be critical of him too. The way people lose their shit over someone of a different background voicing these sensibilities and sentiments says a lot to be honest. I’m proud of Reese as the gm of my team and his significant place in history as something of a pioneer along with guys like Ozzie newsome. Just the way it is. To you he’s just a gm
And nah I still think your Eli man crush far dwarfs anything here in terms of creepiness
You seem to keep ignoring the fact that Reese was pretty Â
Few, a sizeable contingent here have credited the success we've had to Accorsi. The rest credit Coughlin. I know, because I've been fighting this battle on BBI for years.
I’ve seen him referred to a loser. That is tough to take. The entire organization deserves blame for the recent bad years & obviously a lot falls on Reese. But this idea that Reese is incompetent is absurd. Reese will absolutely get another GM job in this league quickly if a change is made. And lousy offensive line play is not unique to the Giants, this is a league wide issue.
pretty much a universal motto here from 2007-2012.
Right. And the moment we let Steve Smith walk down the NJ Turnpike and put on the shitty green uniform, the slogan changed to "Reese's Pieces".
If so, it had to do with the roster move, not his skin color. People didn't like the roster move. It was proven to be the right move.
I didn't suggest that is was.
The blame for the organizational failures the last several years is shared. Reese deserves a good part of the blame for drafting poorly. Coughlin for coaching poorly. Eli for QB poorly. Ownership for bringing in a guy who wasn't ready and promoting him to HC. Keep going...
However, if you stay on the site long enough, you'll find a slew of posters not only ready to absolve Coughlin and Eli but throw out nonsensical shit like, "If only Reese had given Eli some weapons."
I love Eli but he threw for 200 yards and the offense needed overtime to score 12 points....12 fucking points We won because the defense did not quit because of the offensive ineptitude yesterday. Let's not prop up the offense.
pretty much a universal motto here from 2007-2012.
Right. And the moment we let Steve Smith walk down the NJ Turnpike and put on the shitty green uniform, the slogan changed to "Reese's Pieces".
If so, it had to do with the roster move, not his skin color. People didn't like the roster move. It was proven to be the right move.
I didn't suggest that is was.
The blame for the organizational failures the last several years is shared. Reese deserves a good part of the blame for drafting poorly. Coughlin for coaching poorly. Eli for QB poorly. Ownership for bringing in a guy who wasn't ready and promoting him to HC. Keep going...
However, if you stay on the site long enough, you'll find a slew of posters not only ready to absolve Coughlin and Eli but throw out nonsensical shit like, "If only Reese had given Eli some weapons."
Mind boggling.
Buy you agree with the guy who does say it's related to his race.
It's not. It has to do with people's opinions on who's responsible for what, and philosophies on how a roster should be built.
My opinion is pretty simple. The GM is responsible for the roster. The team went to sh-t when the O-line went to sh-t. Therefore, I'm annoyed at the GM, and his failure over the course of 6 years and counting to put just an average o-line out there. Period.
And I should say that I'm annoyed at the GM above everybody else.... Â
including Coughlin and Eli, as it pertains to the conversation, because I personally believe that the poor O-line hamstrung them.
It all goes back to that. Race never even crossed my mind.
I agree that it's curious who's blamed and absolved of blame. I don't pretend to know what goes on in the heads of other posters. I don't know.
I do find it difficult to believe that Coughlin had zero input in who was drafted during his tenure. I'd bet he played a big role in the war room on draft days and I bet you banged his fist on the table for game changing threats on the offensive side of the ball considering the type of offense he preffered.
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including Coughlin and Eli, as it pertains to the conversation, because I personally believe that the poor O-line hamstrung them.
It all goes back to that. Race never even crossed my mind.
I agree that it's curious who's blamed and absolved of blame. I don't pretend to know what goes on in the heads of other posters. I don't know.
I do find it difficult to believe that Coughlin had zero input in who was drafted during his tenure. I'd bet he played a big role in the war room on draft days and I bet you banged his fist on the table for game changing threats on the offensive side of the ball considering the type of offense he preffered.
And IF that's true, he was held accountable and ultimately fired.
Are you implying that Reese is unfairly treated if he receives the same at the end of the season, or as it pertains to this conversation, that posters want him to be held accountable now?
including Coughlin and Eli, as it pertains to the conversation, because I personally believe that the poor O-line hamstrung them.
It all goes back to that. Race never even crossed my mind.
I agree that it's curious who's blamed and absolved of blame. I don't pretend to know what goes on in the heads of other posters. I don't know.
I do find it difficult to believe that Coughlin had zero input in who was drafted during his tenure. I'd bet he played a big role in the war room on draft days and I bet you banged his fist on the table for game changing threats on the offensive side of the ball considering the type of offense he preffered.
And IF that's true, he was held accountable and ultimately fired.
Are you implying that Reese is unfairly treated if he receives the same at the end of the season, or as it pertains to this conversation, that posters want him to be held accountable now?
Not at all. I think I've seen enough at this point to favor firing everyone on down the line and replacing them.
And to be honest I really don’t give a shit if some of you can’t see my perspective or downright refuse to, but there is something I find a bit irking as an African American to see our fan base slobber all over Eli while trashing Jerry Reese at every opportunity. Reese has for the most part done well by him. I’m not calling anyone a racist though I’m sure some will take it that way, I’m just saying that’s also playing into my sensibilities here. I don’t expect many of you to understand
And to be honest I really don’t give a shit if some of you can’t see my perspective or downright refuse to, but there is something I find a bit irking as an African American to see our fan base slobber all over Eli while trashing Jerry Reese at every opportunity. Reese has for the most part done well by him. I’m not calling anyone a racist though I’m sure some will take it that way, I’m just saying that’s also playing into my sensibilities here. I don’t expect many of you to understand
Holy shitfuck...
Eli seems like he is a great guy, very good qb, glad to have had him. Don’t feel the need to shit on the Giants to prop him up
The way I remember it the only reason he didn't want to go to San Diego was because of the war between Schottenheimer and AJ Smith - and then Schottenheimer told him that Smith preferred Rivers. Then he said "if that's the case I'd rather not play in San Diego" which Smith then took to the media and turned into a circus.
If you can’t see how someone in my position can’t contrast that and feel a certain way, while again not accusing anyone of overt racism, then you are too beyond reach to bother with here.
And to be honest I really don’t give a shit if some of you can’t see my perspective or downright refuse to, but there is something I find a bit irking as an African American to see our fan base slobber all over Eli while trashing Jerry Reese at every opportunity. Reese has for the most part done well by him. I’m not calling anyone a racist though I’m sure some will take it that way, I’m just saying that’s also playing into my sensibilities here. I don’t expect many of you to understand
Are you a bigger fan of Jerry Reese or the Giants?
I’m not accusing anyone of being overtly racist, but if you can’t see how someone in my position can find this unseemly then you’re just one of those people blind to the feelings of others who don’t share your life experiences. Period
Larry Donnell? How about the shitload of premium picks spent on the offensive side of the ball during Reese's tenure? The entire organizational philosophy revolved around drafting big-time playmakers to provide Eli weapons to the point that we've neglected the trenches. Isn't that the popular narrative here? Now it's Reese hasn't given Eli any weapons.
I wonder what team some of you guys are watching.
As for who’s hotter, if I had to be gay for a day neither would be on the short list lol
And to be honest I really don’t give a shit if some of you can’t see my perspective or downright refuse to, but there is something I find a bit irking as an African American to see our fan base slobber all over Eli while trashing Jerry Reese at every opportunity. Reese has for the most part done well by him. I’m not calling anyone a racist though I’m sure some will take it that way, I’m just saying that’s also playing into my sensibilities here. I don’t expect many of you to understand
I'm more accustomed to these brain-dead comments after losses...
Anyone completely dismissive of the feelings someone in my position can have about this dynamic just doesn’t possess any ability for one second to see a point of view that sits outside your bubble. That’s fine though. I don’t expect you to have any earthly grasp on matters like this and how conversations like this can come off a certain way to certain people. The fact that you are so quick to dismiss them speaks to your own shortcomings
Only thing brain dead here is your ability to grasp any nuanced point. I’m not calling anyone a racist but denying dynamics such as this can exist even on a subconscious level is indeed the new racism
Prime years throwing to Donnell? He was throwing to Donnell when he was 35
Anyone completely dismissive of the feelings someone in my position can have about this dynamic just doesn’t possess any ability for one second to see a point of view that sits outside your bubble. That’s fine though. I don’t expect you to have any earthly grasp on matters like this and how conversations like this can come off a certain way to certain people. The fact that you are so quick to dismiss them speaks to your own shortcomings
Only thing brain dead here is your ability to grasp any nuanced point. I’m not calling anyone a racist but denying dynamics such as this can exist even on a subconscious level is indeed the new racism
Hell of a crutch you have there.
I’m not accusing anyone of being overtly racist, but if you can’t see how someone in my position can find this unseemly then you’re just one of those people blind to the feelings of others who don’t share your life experiences. Period
There we go pulling that Racist card out of your ass because you have nothing else. Seriously what an ignorant ass ploy to use
Must have been during the years we where we had the best running game in the NFL for half a decade
From 2004-2010 the Giants ran for 14,972 yards. The only team who ran for more yards was Atlanta because their qb was a once in a lifetime
Scrambler. The Giants also led the nfl in ypc in that span at 4.62
That’s actually 7 seasons, longer than half a decade. Yet idiots who have heir head so far up Eli’s ass won’t even concede facts. Facts are in this span our qb was a secondary fear for opposing defenses
Reese was great and nobody ever gave him sh-t prior to 2012. Remember "In Reese We Trust"? That was a motto that was repeated here nearly unanimously for years.
When the O-line went to sh-t, so did the team.
Ernie Accorsi built the line that we rode to two championships if you want to talk facts. Jerry Reese did not draft or free agent sign a single one of those guys that contributed to the 14,000 rushing yards offensive line you referenced earlier.
Reese gets sh-t on for his job performance. For you to bring race into the equation is nothing more than a witch hunt. Ridiculous.
IMO, the Giants decline is directly associated with the decline of the offensive line, and the defensive line ain't been that great in awhile either, until the massive spending spree a season ago.
That is directly where Reese failed. And it has NOTHING to do with his skin color.
About 2003 onward he was running the draft, well before he was named GM. That’s pretty common knowledge.
And telling me that mcadoo gets crap doesn’t say anything. He’s never accomplished a damn thing for the franchise, I like the two time Sb winning gm who we like to trash at every turn and deny history just to prop up your hero. Your Eli worship in particular is a bit creepy Britt
You're accusation doesn't hold water. Over half the damn team is black, and we love them, but we hate Reese because he's black?
Get the f-ck out of here. Jerry Reese was highly, HIGHLY regarded around here for a long time. But all of the sudden we realized he was black so now we don't like him?
And nah I still think your Eli man crush far dwarfs anything here in terms of creepiness
This is a football message board where people are discussing/being critical of the person responsible for the roster of their favorite team.
In regards to Eli, the discussion is about the failure to protect the franchise quarterback in what should have been the prime years of his career.
Quite frankly, race has no place in this discussion. You injected it. Additionally, you are doing Reese a disservice by doing so.
We're all Giants fans here.
This is a football message board where people are discussing/being critical of the person responsible for the roster of their favorite team.
Few, a sizeable contingent BBI credited those two SB victories to Accorsi. I know, because I've been fighting that battle here for years.
In regards to Eli, the discussion is about the failure to protect the franchise quarterback in what should have been the prime years of his career.
Quite frankly, race has no place in this discussion. You injected it. Additionally, you are doing Reese a disservice by doing so.
You keep playing the race card, well step up and show us this offensive stuff.
Right. And the moment we let Steve Smith walk down the NJ Turnpike and put on the shitty green uniform, the slogan changed to "Reese's Pieces".
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pretty much a universal motto here from 2007-2012.
Right. And the moment we let Steve Smith walk down the NJ Turnpike and put on the shitty green uniform, the slogan changed to "Reese's Pieces".
If so, it had to do with the roster move, not his skin color. People didn't like the roster move. It was proven to be the right move.
Manning is wildly disrespected and has his handful of "creepy" defenders.
Coughlin was wildly disrespected and had his handful of defenders.
Reese? No different.
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pretty much a universal motto here from 2007-2012.
Right. And the moment we let Steve Smith walk down the NJ Turnpike and put on the shitty green uniform, the slogan changed to "Reese's Pieces".
If so, it had to do with the roster move, not his skin color. People didn't like the roster move. It was proven to be the right move.
I didn't suggest that is was.
The blame for the organizational failures the last several years is shared. Reese deserves a good part of the blame for drafting poorly. Coughlin for coaching poorly. Eli for QB poorly. Ownership for bringing in a guy who wasn't ready and promoting him to HC. Keep going...
However, if you stay on the site long enough, you'll find a slew of posters not only ready to absolve Coughlin and Eli but throw out nonsensical shit like, "If only Reese had given Eli some weapons."
Mind boggling.
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pretty much a universal motto here from 2007-2012.
Right. And the moment we let Steve Smith walk down the NJ Turnpike and put on the shitty green uniform, the slogan changed to "Reese's Pieces".
If so, it had to do with the roster move, not his skin color. People didn't like the roster move. It was proven to be the right move.
I didn't suggest that is was.
The blame for the organizational failures the last several years is shared. Reese deserves a good part of the blame for drafting poorly. Coughlin for coaching poorly. Eli for QB poorly. Ownership for bringing in a guy who wasn't ready and promoting him to HC. Keep going...
However, if you stay on the site long enough, you'll find a slew of posters not only ready to absolve Coughlin and Eli but throw out nonsensical shit like, "If only Reese had given Eli some weapons."
Mind boggling.
Buy you agree with the guy who does say it's related to his race.
It's not. It has to do with people's opinions on who's responsible for what, and philosophies on how a roster should be built.
My opinion is pretty simple. The GM is responsible for the roster. The team went to sh-t when the O-line went to sh-t. Therefore, I'm annoyed at the GM, and his failure over the course of 6 years and counting to put just an average o-line out there. Period.
It all goes back to that. Race never even crossed my mind.
It all goes back to that. Race never even crossed my mind.
I agree that it's curious who's blamed and absolved of blame. I don't pretend to know what goes on in the heads of other posters. I don't know.
I do find it difficult to believe that Coughlin had zero input in who was drafted during his tenure. I'd bet he played a big role in the war room on draft days and I bet you banged his fist on the table for game changing threats on the offensive side of the ball considering the type of offense he preffered.
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including Coughlin and Eli, as it pertains to the conversation, because I personally believe that the poor O-line hamstrung them.
It all goes back to that. Race never even crossed my mind.
I agree that it's curious who's blamed and absolved of blame. I don't pretend to know what goes on in the heads of other posters. I don't know.
I do find it difficult to believe that Coughlin had zero input in who was drafted during his tenure. I'd bet he played a big role in the war room on draft days and I bet you banged his fist on the table for game changing threats on the offensive side of the ball considering the type of offense he preffered.
And IF that's true, he was held accountable and ultimately fired.
Are you implying that Reese is unfairly treated if he receives the same at the end of the season, or as it pertains to this conversation, that posters want him to be held accountable now?
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including Coughlin and Eli, as it pertains to the conversation, because I personally believe that the poor O-line hamstrung them.
It all goes back to that. Race never even crossed my mind.
I agree that it's curious who's blamed and absolved of blame. I don't pretend to know what goes on in the heads of other posters. I don't know.
I do find it difficult to believe that Coughlin had zero input in who was drafted during his tenure. I'd bet he played a big role in the war room on draft days and I bet you banged his fist on the table for game changing threats on the offensive side of the ball considering the type of offense he preffered.
And IF that's true, he was held accountable and ultimately fired.
Are you implying that Reese is unfairly treated if he receives the same at the end of the season, or as it pertains to this conversation, that posters want him to be held accountable now?
Not at all. I think I've seen enough at this point to favor firing everyone on down the line and replacing them.
The question is who do we replace them with?