I’m absolutely positive that with some it does, you are being naive to suggest otherwise. I don’t find that to be the case for the majority of his detractors though. I’m just saying as a black man who views Jerry Reese in a light beyond that as just a football GM I do think he deserves more respect than I’ve seen him get here, forget the fact that he’s black his accomplishments speak for themselves and he’s have another job in 5 minutes. Any gm can have a down run. Injuries have also hurt
Some of you just aren’t going to understand, period. And that’s fine. Am I sensitive when it comes to criticism of him? Maybe. Do I think he’s above it? Nope. But I’m immensely proud of his place in history as one of the initial pioneers in an executive position in this sport, and the success he has had. He is a dope opener along with guys like Ozzie newsome (another example of someone who shows that if you do this long enough, you can have a down period). He is helping to normalize a position in this industry for people who don’t all look like bill polian, and that’s not a bad thing. Some of you will just always see him as a football gm and no more. I don’t expect you to have feelings beyond that. But yes it pisses me off to see him trashed and painted as an albatross Eli has had to work around
In my experience those who are quick to accuse you of accusing others of being racist or accuse you of playing the “race card” just because of the mere mention of race to shut down any conversation..... well I’ll just leave it there. Not all mentions of race are “playing the race” card. I’m half white. I have a beautiful white wife. I don’t walk around thinking the worst of all white people. Far from it.... But those who are trigger happy to shut down any dialogue regarding even the mention of race... ok. Me mentioning that my race gives me a soft spot for Reese given his historic position and how I can sometimes find the piling on a bit unseemly isn’t playing the race card. Didn’t accuse anyone of being racist. All I did was voice my sensibilities, sensibilities that are going to be difficult to understand for a lot of people
I guess we can’t criticize Reese because he’s black and you have a soft spot for him? Are you listening to yourself? He gets a lifetime job because you feel he opened doors? Come on man. Nobody is criticizing Reese because he’s black and he’s certainly not Teflon because he’s black either.
There are people that think Reese should be fired. There are people that think he should stay. There are also people that shit all over Ernie Accorsi during his tenure and he was pretty successful too, no?
And for crying out loud, stop telling us all that we will never understand. You’ve said that 1000 times in this thread. What we do understand is that Reese is NOT being judged on his color and we aren’t going to give him a pass because of his color either. We all appreciate what’s he’s done as far as opening doors. But that is not what this should be all about and I’m kind of surprised that you want it be.
Within the last decade. You want him fired? Fine I guess. He will have another job in 5 seconds. Lots of things go into being a successful gm and with all of those moving parts that are involved if you preside over a team long enough you will have some dry periods. Look around at anyone who has done it for a long enough time. None of them crank out infinite success. The draft is a crapshoot. Some are better at it than others but it is prone to variance. Guys get injured too and that doesn’t help. Did Reese suddenly get stupid at an age well before we should be questioning his faculties?
Luckily I think the Giants don’t see it the way you do and will opt for stability with him at the helm and allow him to keep doing this
My participation in this thread has never been about “don’t fire Jerry Reese because he’s some hero”. It’s about having his back when other posters paint him as an albatross Eli has had to work around. That’s nonsense.
We kill Reese for his performances, but some who do refuse to apply that same standard to Eli. They make excuses for him left and right.
I love Eli. I'm so happy about the win. I'm glad for Eli that he got another win and another game winning drive. He's all class and that's great.
But the offense sucks, and Eli is the biggest part of that suckitude. I think it's only fair to point that out, in the same way that it's fair to point out Reese's failures during his span as GM.
Where LatHarv83 has a point is that it appears some are applying a double standard, and it would be absurd to think that 100% of those who apply that double-standard are free of racial bias in doing so. It happens elsewhere, why not here?
Coughlin and Eli are seen each week, with their faces most palpably associated with success. Reese is in the background. I think that's why we have much more affection for them than Reese.
I've been 'hard' on Eli (as his diehards will think) and I wanted TC fired before he actually got fired. I didn't start to come down on Reese until this season. I pretty much gave him a pass from 2012-2016, but that ends this season. So, it ain't race for me.
He's a terrible quote and routinely makes mistakes when he makes public statements about players and he's never gotten more polished at that.
I understand why people don't care for him, he's not exactly likable. That combined with what we can think of as his team-building philosophies, it's understandable that he doesn't have a large number of people willing to come to his defense
We kill Reese for his performances, but some who do refuse to apply that same standard to Eli. They make excuses for him left and right.
I love Eli. I'm so happy about the win. I'm glad for Eli that he got another win and another game winning drive. He's all class and that's great.
But the offense sucks, and Eli is the biggest part of that suckitude. I think it's only fair to point that out, in the same way that it's fair to point out Reese's failures during his span as GM.
Where LatHarv83 has a point is that it appears some are applying a double standard, and it would be absurd to think that 100% of those who apply that double-standard are free of racial bias in doing so. It happens elsewhere, why not here?
Wait a minute... You think Eli is the BIGGEST thing that's wrong with the offense? Not the offensive line, not the piss poor running game over the past five years, not the street free agent WR's playing right now, but Eli is the BIGGEST thing that's wrong?
I bet you'd have a hard time finding the biggest Eli bashers... Â
Some of you just aren’t going to understand, period. And that’s fine. Am I sensitive when it comes to criticism of him? Maybe. Do I think he’s above it? Nope. But I’m immensely proud of his place in history as one of the initial pioneers in an executive position in this sport, and the success he has had. He is a dope opener along with guys like Ozzie newsome (another example of someone who shows that if you do this long enough, you can have a down period). He is helping to normalize a position in this industry for people who don’t all look like bill polian, and that’s not a bad thing. Some of you will just always see him as a football gm and no more. I don’t expect you to have feelings beyond that. But yes it pisses me off to see him trashed and painted as an albatross Eli has had to work around
I didn't even feel compelled to respond until you started accusing people of "telling on themselves". What were they telling, exactly?
In my experience those who are quick to accuse you of accusing others of being racist or accuse you of playing the “race card” just because of the mere mention of race to shut down any conversation..... well I’ll just leave it there. Not all mentions of race are “playing the race” card. I’m half white. I have a beautiful white wife. I don’t walk around thinking the worst of all white people. Far from it.... But those who are trigger happy to shut down any dialogue regarding even the mention of race... ok. Me mentioning that my race gives me a soft spot for Reese given his historic position and how I can sometimes find the piling on a bit unseemly isn’t playing the race card. Didn’t accuse anyone of being racist. All I did was voice my sensibilities, sensibilities that are going to be difficult to understand for a lot of people
There are people that think Reese should be fired. There are people that think he should stay. There are also people that shit all over Ernie Accorsi during his tenure and he was pretty successful too, no?
And for crying out loud, stop telling us all that we will never understand. You’ve said that 1000 times in this thread. What we do understand is that Reese is NOT being judged on his color and we aren’t going to give him a pass because of his color either. We all appreciate what’s he’s done as far as opening doors. But that is not what this should be all about and I’m kind of surprised that you want it be.
Luckily I think the Giants don’t see it the way you do and will opt for stability with him at the helm and allow him to keep doing this
Get em boys..
I love Eli. I'm so happy about the win. I'm glad for Eli that he got another win and another game winning drive. He's all class and that's great.
But the offense sucks, and Eli is the biggest part of that suckitude. I think it's only fair to point that out, in the same way that it's fair to point out Reese's failures during his span as GM.
Where LatHarv83 has a point is that it appears some are applying a double standard, and it would be absurd to think that 100% of those who apply that double-standard are free of racial bias in doing so. It happens elsewhere, why not here?
I understand why people don't care for him, he's not exactly likable. That combined with what we can think of as his team-building philosophies, it's understandable that he doesn't have a large number of people willing to come to his defense
I love Eli. I'm so happy about the win. I'm glad for Eli that he got another win and another game winning drive. He's all class and that's great.
But the offense sucks, and Eli is the biggest part of that suckitude. I think it's only fair to point that out, in the same way that it's fair to point out Reese's failures during his span as GM.
Where LatHarv83 has a point is that it appears some are applying a double standard, and it would be absurd to think that 100% of those who apply that double-standard are free of racial bias in doing so. It happens elsewhere, why not here?
Wait a minute... You think Eli is the BIGGEST thing that's wrong with the offense? Not the offensive line, not the piss poor running game over the past five years, not the street free agent WR's playing right now, but Eli is the BIGGEST thing that's wrong?