We have had the discussions about how the NFL has taken a hit and the ratings are suffering which in turn means less revenue.
The number of commercials and the other activities that I see now from the NFL in support of the military is overwhelming. It is obvious that they are trying to win some of their fan base back.
My wife, who never watches any games only catches a glimpse as she walks through the room with the game on.... she even noticed in the little exposure that she has to it.
Yeah I know it's idealistic and simplistic; but it is incumbent on each of us to teach our kids to love each other. If everyone did that the world would be such a better place.
Ok sorry for that interruption. Go back to the bickering!
Logical, that is not.
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even the 1981 New York Giants highlight tape starts off with the Giants standing for the national anthem.
I've even give you a more memorable example... Whitney Houston at Super Bowl XXV. Giants were out there. We all remember it.
Sometimes players were on the sideline for the Anthem - sometimes they weren't. I'd probably guess that for the Super Bowl's the players were because of the ceremonial aspect of the game.
I remember several games in the 80's where the National Anthem would play and then we'd burst out in applause as the team would run out of the tunnel. This idea that the Anthem was sacred to the players is a complete myth. It was done out of tradition and more for the fans than anyone else. The games used to start at 1PM and the National Anthem was usually played while the teams were in the locker room after final warmups and the start of the game.
I really can only remember a handful of times - and there was usually some ceremonial function attached when a regular season game had both teams present for the anthem. For playoffs and Super Bowl's it was another story.
what Marshawn Lynch did Sunday in Mexico undermines the players message as much as Kaepernick wearing pig socks or a Castro shirt.
it shows many of them have no idea what they're protesting which makes it an even more disrespectful form of protest (for those who find it disrespectful).
It's all bullshit. All of it. A narcissistic, petulant, septuagenarian baby carrying a decades old grudge about not being able to buy an NFL team is merely stoking anger within our society as a way to divide Americans into a cultural identity war because it gains him adulation and praise from his fervent non-bot supporters all while distracting the same people from the consequential news that breaks each day.
Also, Paul is incisive AF. 2nd para is spot on and it's both astounding & depressing that such an interpretation is not an outright given for anyone witnessing this utter red herring nonsense coming directly from the top.
It's all bullshit. All of it. A narcissistic, petulant, septuagenarian baby carrying a decades old grudge about not being able to buy an NFL team is merely stoking anger within our society as a way to divide Americans into a cultural identity war because it gains him adulation and praise from his fervent non-bot supporters all while distracting the same people from the consequential news that breaks each day.
Cop out.
it was an issue before him for some people.
All his comments did was bring more attention to it from the players. The people who had an issue with it did before he said a word.
as for faux outrage, I think what you mean is selective outrage, because I believe the outrage for some is absolutely real, and you're probably right it is selecting, but what gives you the right to tell people what they should or shouldn't be outraged about.
Isn't that as bad as telling people how to protest?
I mean is wearing a flag on your clothing (which is really just etiquette that hasn't been deemed offensive in decades) and being offended that people don't stand for the Anthem any more hypocritical than kneeling for the US anthem but standing for Mexico who has one of the worst record for human rights on the globe? Or kneeling for the US Anthem because of civil rights issues and then speaking out in support of Castro or Che Guevara?
I thought keeping it to the lost ratings and revenues and the NFL's response by slamming us with pro military ads was enough to keep the discussion to that topic. We could have been discussing the economics of the NFL and what the lost ratings and revenue could have meant for the future of the league and the next CBA.
Of course, this is BBI and people always then make the leap and transition to pure politics. For some, it is like bringing a bottle of burbon to an AA meeting.
Then sent his #1 to a Colts game just so that he could storm out during the pregame ceremonies.
Except this isn't Capt. Picard and the other guy ain't no Riker.
The selective-- and oh so obviously selective-- outrage is what makes it, by and large, faux outrage.
Again, no one in bars takes off their hats, and stops what they are doing to stand and respect the flag during the national anthem. Even during the Super Bowl when they go all out of the national anthem, people watching on TV carry about their business. In fact, it's common and enjoyable to many of these people to GAMBLE on how long the anthem is going to be-- that the anthem is nothing more than an entertaining prop.
At recent Yankees and Giants games-- during the anthem, a vendor was still calling out "beer, here" and no one bat an eye, the concession stands were operating in full force and many other fans found it an appropriate time to take a piss.
Marshawn Lynch sitting for the US anthem is about personal grievances he has with the US. The Mexican flag is irrelevant to that.
But this is specifically about the NFL trying to reach out the military and is specifically about the NFL's image with patriotism and the military. In that regard, it's impossible to do since the single biggest reason that this has exploded is because of the most inherently political person in the country.
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to have this discussion without being able to discuss politics.
I thought keeping it to the lost ratings and revenues and the NFL's response by slamming us with pro military ads was enough to keep the discussion to that topic. We could have been discussing the economics of the NFL and what the lost ratings and revenue could have meant for the future of the league and the next CBA.
Of course, this is BBI and people always then make the leap and transition to pure politics. For some, it is like bringing a bottle of burbon to an AA meeting.
The founder of this site, who constantly defends his "no politics" stance, is the one who came on this thread and said that black people are not oppressed in this country based on his anecdotal experience with a few people. Agree or disagree, if that isn't a political statement, I don't know what is.
Someone recently posted that Eric is "too far gone" and I'm beginning to agree. I don't think he's a dummy, so the other options are (1) his blind spot is really that big; or (2) he just doesn't care that he gets to post about his political leanings and others can't respond with their own.
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to have this discussion without being able to discuss politics.
I thought keeping it to the lost ratings and revenues and the NFL's response by slamming us with pro military ads was enough to keep the discussion to that topic. We could have been discussing the economics of the NFL and what the lost ratings and revenue could have meant for the future of the league and the next CBA.
Of course, this is BBI and people always then make the leap and transition to pure politics. For some, it is like bringing a bottle of burbon to an AA meeting.
You can't discuss the ratings without the same crew coming in to tell us how they and all of their family and friends are boycotting the NFL because of the flag business. All the while watching the games and continuing to comment on the NFL.
Perhaps they aren't boycotting but insist that the rest of us do.
Because this shall not stand. Not now. Not ever.
Will the NFL implode? Probably not, however, it's going to be interesting watching guys that choose to kneel, whom haven't signed the big contracts yet, make millions of dollars less then they could have because the revenue isn't there. Too stupid to realize they're slitting their own throats.
It's easy to take a knee and grab attention. It's not so easy spending your time and money on a consistent basis fighting for what you believe in, which I could respect. Unfortunately, I bet a good portion of the kneelers don't do this. Lazy, unpatriotic bums.
They can have their freedom of speech, just like I can. So when I boycott NFL games, it's no different then what they're doing
The selective-- and oh so obviously selective-- outrage is what makes it, by and large, faux outrage.
Again, no one in bars takes off their hats, and stops what they are doing to stand and respect the flag during the national anthem. Even during the Super Bowl when they go all out of the national anthem, people watching on TV carry about their business. In fact, it's common and enjoyable to many of these people to GAMBLE on how long the anthem is going to be-- that the anthem is nothing more than an entertaining prop.
At recent Yankees and Giants games-- during the anthem, a vendor was still calling out "beer, here" and no one bat an eye, the concession stands were operating in full force and many other fans found it an appropriate time to take a piss.
Marshawn Lynch sitting for the US anthem is about personal grievances he has with the US. The Mexican flag is irrelevant to that.
Damn good post.
In fact, the issue was slowly diminishing until Trump decided to say something.
Even today...he wants Lynch suspended by the NFL........
Will the NFL implode? Probably not, however, it's going to be interesting watching guys that choose to kneel, whom haven't signed the big contracts yet, make millions of dollars less then they could have because the revenue isn't there. Too stupid to realize they're slitting their own throats.
It's easy to take a knee and grab attention. It's not so easy spending your time and money on a consistent basis fighting for what you believe in, which I could respect. Unfortunately, I bet a good portion of the kneelers don't do this. Lazy, unpatriotic bums.
They can have their freedom of speech, just like I can. So when I boycott NFL games, it's no different then what they're doing
Like this guy, for instance.
You can't discuss the ratings without the same crew coming in to tell us how they and all of their family and friends are boycotting the NFL because of the flag business.
Well... I tried.
The selective-- and oh so obviously selective-- outrage is what makes it, by and large, faux outrage.
Again, no one in bars takes off their hats, and stops what they are doing to stand and respect the flag during the national anthem. Even during the Super Bowl when they go all out of the national anthem, people watching on TV carry about their business. In fact, it's common and enjoyable to many of these people to GAMBLE on how long the anthem is going to be-- that the anthem is nothing more than an entertaining prop.
At recent Yankees and Giants games-- during the anthem, a vendor was still calling out "beer, here" and no one bat an eye, the concession stands were operating in full force and many other fans found it an appropriate time to take a piss.
Marshawn Lynch sitting for the US anthem is about personal grievances he has with the US. The Mexican flag is irrelevant to that.
Even if it is selective, and I agree it is, what gives you the right to say this:
I know you don't need me to point out examples of how all the people kneeling are also exhibiting faux outrage. I know you can recognize and realize many worse atrocities, some even in conflict with their issues being protested, that aren't being protested. How is it different?
In this day and age people get to pick what offends them, no matter how hypocritical or misguided it may be, on either side of the aisle and without prejudice.
It's their inalienable right as citizens.
Where did I say that people who don't share my world view are dim wits? I actually specifically said that I don't think Eric is a dummy....
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Just won't keep politics out of sports? I'm sure there are groups on both sides of the political spectrum that would simply prefer to not see it, considering it's shoved in everyone's face on a daily basis, again, no matter what side.
Will the NFL implode? Probably not, however, it's going to be interesting watching guys that choose to kneel, whom haven't signed the big contracts yet, make millions of dollars less then they could have because the revenue isn't there. Too stupid to realize they're slitting their own throats.
It's easy to take a knee and grab attention. It's not so easy spending your time and money on a consistent basis fighting for what you believe in, which I could respect. Unfortunately, I bet a good portion of the kneelers don't do this. Lazy, unpatriotic bums.
They can have their freedom of speech, just like I can. So when I boycott NFL games, it's no different then what they're doing
Like this guy, for instance.
Forgot to mention attention grabbing ill informed drama queens
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to have this discussion without being able to discuss politics.
I thought keeping it to the lost ratings and revenues and the NFL's response by slamming us with pro military ads was enough to keep the discussion to that topic. We could have been discussing the economics of the NFL and what the lost ratings and revenue could have meant for the future of the league and the next CBA.
Of course, this is BBI and people always then make the leap and transition to pure politics. For some, it is like bringing a bottle of burbon to an AA meeting.
The founder of this site, who constantly defends his "no politics" stance, is the one who came on this thread and said that black people are not oppressed in this country based on his anecdotal experience with a few people. Agree or disagree, if that isn't a political statement, I don't know what is.
Someone recently posted that Eric is "too far gone" and I'm beginning to agree. I don't think he's a dummy, so the other options are (1) his blind spot is really that big; or (2) he just doesn't care that he gets to post about his political leanings and others can't respond with their own.
Mike, a really novel thought, if you don't like it don't come here?
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In comment 13699175 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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to have this discussion without being able to discuss politics.
I thought keeping it to the lost ratings and revenues and the NFL's response by slamming us with pro military ads was enough to keep the discussion to that topic. We could have been discussing the economics of the NFL and what the lost ratings and revenue could have meant for the future of the league and the next CBA.
Of course, this is BBI and people always then make the leap and transition to pure politics. For some, it is like bringing a bottle of burbon to an AA meeting.
The founder of this site, who constantly defends his "no politics" stance, is the one who came on this thread and said that black people are not oppressed in this country based on his anecdotal experience with a few people. Agree or disagree, if that isn't a political statement, I don't know what is.
Someone recently posted that Eric is "too far gone" and I'm beginning to agree. I don't think he's a dummy, so the other options are (1) his blind spot is really that big; or (2) he just doesn't care that he gets to post about his political leanings and others can't respond with their own.
Mike, a really novel thought, if you don't like it don't come here?
Where did I say I don't like it here?
The the outrage on the other side is a direct response to that. It's an anger is against disrespecting the flag/anthem. But why is that outrage ONLY directed at a very select group of people? Why is it only what the (black) athletes are doing who are the ones that need to be admonished for disrespecting the flag/anthem?
There isn't outrage at the people talking during the anthem, on their phones, at the concession stands, drinking beer, holding their dicks-- none of that draws outrage. Just the players.
There haven't been talking heads crucifying stadiums and teams for selling concessions during the anthem or at the stadium/security for checking people in during the anthem, or bars for carrying on during the anthem.
And if it's kneeling, then why hasn't any vocal protester said ONE WORD about all the photographers on their knees on the field during the anthem taking pictures?
There may be some well-meaning people who are bothered by people kneeling during the anthem. But this fever pitch out outrage matches the same undercurrent of the stupid MAGA ideology.
There isn't outrage at the people talking during the anthem, on their phones, at the concession stands, drinking beer, holding their dicks-- none of that draws outrage. Just the players.
There haven't been talking heads crucifying stadiums and teams for selling concessions during the anthem or at the stadium/security for checking people in during the anthem, or bars for carrying on during the anthem.
I think one could even argue that those examples show less respect for the anthem than someone who values it enough as a symbol that they believe sitting for it will make a point.
The the outrage on the other side is a direct response to that. It's an anger is against disrespecting the flag/anthem. But why is that outrage ONLY directed at a very select group of people? Why is it only what the (black) athletes are doing who are the ones that need to be admonished for disrespecting the flag/anthem?
There isn't outrage at the people talking during the anthem, on their phones, at the concession stands, drinking beer, holding their dicks-- none of that draws outrage. Just the players.
There haven't been talking heads crucifying stadiums and teams for selling concessions during the anthem or at the stadium/security for checking people in during the anthem, or bars for carrying on during the anthem.
And if it's kneeling, then why hasn't any vocal protester said ONE WORD about all the photographers on their knees on the field during the anthem taking pictures?
There may be some well-meaning people who are bothered by people kneeling during the anthem. But this fever pitch out outrage matches the same undercurrent of the stupid MAGA ideology.
I'm not here to defend it, just explain it.
Most stadiums I'm in if someone is talking or sitting or wearing a hat during the Anthem people yell at them to stand, shut up or take their hat off. Sort of a crowd sourced form of enforcement. That's what I typically see, sounds like you don't see that.
but, and it's a big but, those acts are usually not done out of malice or protest, they are done out of ignorance or indifference.
If you can't see the distinction then you don't want to see the distinction in how one of those two scenarios is more offensive (to some).
People in their houses or bars or any other place you mention is the real false equivalency because there has never been a tradition ever for people to stand in their homes or bars or anywhere other than at the game out of respect for the Anthem.
The selective-- and oh so obviously selective-- outrage is what makes it, by and large, faux outrage.
Again, no one in bars takes off their hats, and stops what they are doing to stand and respect the flag during the national anthem. Even during the Super Bowl when they go all out of the national anthem, people watching on TV carry about their business. In fact, it's common and enjoyable to many of these people to GAMBLE on how long the anthem is going to be-- that the anthem is nothing more than an entertaining prop.
At recent Yankees and Giants games-- during the anthem, a vendor was still calling out "beer, here" and no one bat an eye, the concession stands were operating in full force and many other fans found it an appropriate time to take a piss.
Marshawn Lynch sitting for the US anthem is about personal grievances he has with the US. The Mexican flag is irrelevant to that.
There are many factors in that...quality of the game has deteriorated, over-saturation, new CBA, rule changes, too many commercials. But mixing politics with sports was stupid. The NFL doesn't know its audience or chose to ignore it. The NFL could have easily avoided this whole thing. You see the same thing with ESPN, who is now set for another round of layoffs.
I disagree.
I've watched less and less football myself, this year and year's prior.
Why?
The product is poor, I can watch as many NHL games as I want (something not around when I grew up).
Heck, if anything the athletes taking a knee would make me watch MORE just to see that.
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People in their houses or bars or any other place you mention is the real false equivalency because there has never been a tradition ever for people to stand in their homes or bars or anywhere other than at the game out of respect for the Anthem.
The US Flag code only requires those present to stand - not if you watch remotely:
During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should render the military salute at the first note of the anthem and retain this position until the last note. When the flag is not displayed, those present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed there.
Yet my dad who is a WWII vet will stand in his living room when it is played. He can't stomach the players that kneel but says he's not gonna let a few assholes stop him from watching the Giants.
But, suddenly, indifference to the anthem doesn't draw the their ire?
Respect for the flag and anthem is of such life and death importance, but not when you hear it in your house through the television?
I know you are explanining the stance rather than defend it, but the further one defends it, the more the argument unravels.
This massive, divisive issue is either very important because the national anthem is sacrosanct or it isn't.
It seems to me that this cause celebre is more a chance to be on team MAGA and criticize these successful (black) athletes for being ungrateful.
And while anecdotal, I think this picture reflects how many feel of the ones railing against the NFL and their players.
It's a free country, and as long as they are acting within the law should be free to do what they want. Does forcing someone to stand for an anthem make this a better country? I'd say it goes against the values of the country in the first place.
1st....people historically came to America because it was a vast, airable piece of land that was undeveloped and underserved. Western Europe has been developed for thousands of years-many were fleeing overcrowding.
2nd..many did not come voluntarily. many were forced here via slavery. Others were basically rounded up and sent to America in the same manner vagrants are sent to jail.
3rd..today...many of the people coming here are fleeing horrible 3rd world conditions, for slighlty better racially oppressed conditions as non-legal and thus highly vulnerable people.
I applaud the athletes for taking a knee.
For many, it is not insincere.
I read an article last month, after the Iggles-Skins game ended at midnight several Iggles players got up at 5 AM to go to Harrisburg and meet with state legislators to help pass the 'Clean Slate' law.
Although many are not blatant racists, we have a system historically that has been racially and socioeconomically biased-unless you are a good football player or a doctor.
Ever wonder why HealthCare is tied to the employer instead of by birthright (because jobs could discriminate against certain people)?
Or why you get a tax break on your mortgage interest-but not your rent or your student loans?
Why can you refinance a home, discharge a home loan, but not a student loan-the same loan many need to have skills to get a job?
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As flag etiquette has evolved it has become supportive and patriotic to wear flag clothing, not disrespectful.
this is according to the American Legion, not some random hack opinion.
And the indifference to the Anthem IMO isn't condoned, but it's not blatant disdain, that's why it's less offensive. Usually when informed of their ignorance or indifference a person will adhere to accepted norms.
I know a lot of people say veterans fought for the right for people to protest and they'll say most veterans are not offended by the protests, but in my job and through various civic organizations I belong to I speak with a lot of veterans, many don't give a shit, but most that I talk to actually do find the form of protest offensive and they feel like the protests target the wrong group. You know, consider your audience.
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My football watching is pretty much limited to the Giants now. I used to be an NFL junkie. Not anymore.
There are many factors in that...quality of the game has deteriorated, over-saturation, new CBA, rule changes, too many commercials. But mixing politics with sports was stupid. The NFL doesn't know its audience or chose to ignore it. The NFL could have easily avoided this whole thing. You see the same thing with ESPN, who is now set for another round of layoffs.
I disagree.
I've watched less and less football myself, this year and year's prior.
Why?
The product is poor, I can watch as many NHL games as I want (something not around when I grew up).
Heck, if anything the athletes taking a knee would make me watch MORE just to see that.
Just think about all the teams that now become your favorite teams!
Plus it doesn't help that a bunch of famous, black millionaire athletes in a league that is 80% black are complaining that their race is oppressed and can't succeed in this country.
Yeah I know it's idealistic and simplistic; but it is incumbent on each of us to teach our kids to love each other. If everyone did that the world would be such a better place.
Ok sorry for that interruption. Go back to the bickering!
+1
The selective-- and oh so obviously selective-- outrage is what makes it, by and large, faux outrage.
Again, no one in bars takes off their hats, and stops what they are doing to stand and respect the flag during the national anthem. Even during the Super Bowl when they go all out of the national anthem, people watching on TV carry about their business. In fact, it's common and enjoyable to many of these people to GAMBLE on how long the anthem is going to be-- that the anthem is nothing more than an entertaining prop.
At recent Yankees and Giants games-- during the anthem, a vendor was still calling out "beer, here" and no one bat an eye, the concession stands were operating in full force and many other fans found it an appropriate time to take a piss.
Marshawn Lynch sitting for the US anthem is about personal grievances he has with the US. The Mexican flag is irrelevant to that.
You stated "faux outrage" as fact when, in truth, it's difficult to know a person's motivation. Evidence is needed to make your case.
Plus it doesn't help that a bunch of famous, black millionaire athletes in a league that is 80% black are complaining that their race is oppressed and can't succeed in this country.
Your post couldn't be more wrong.
The protest didn't fail, and it didn't backfire. It became a huge national story. Most of the time that it's brought up in the news, the reason behind it is mentioned. A protest that fails and backfires is one that nobody pays attention to.
The "anyone" you refer to in "...all anyone is talking about..." are only the people in your echo chamber. It's obvious you don't spend much time outside of your bubble, since you haven't heard any other type of discussion regarding this.
And your last paragraph is the typical, tone-deaf (and telling) response of many (certain) people, who will never, ever, ever get it. Your use of the term "complaining" alone is pretty repulsive, when you consider what they're "complaining" about.
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I think most players have realized this and is why there are only a handful left doing it. Instead of helping their cause of "black oppression and police brutality", all anyone is talking about is whether or not their kneeling is anti-American and disrespectful to veterans. When you have to keep explaining what your protest is about and pleading that you are not protesting the flag, the country and its veterans its obviously not working.
Plus it doesn't help that a bunch of famous, black millionaire athletes in a league that is 80% black are complaining that their race is oppressed and can't succeed in this country.
Your post couldn't be more wrong.
The protest didn't fail, and it didn't backfire. It became a huge national story. Most of the time that it's brought up in the news, the reason behind it is mentioned. A protest that fails and backfires is one that nobody pays attention to.
The "anyone" you refer to in "...all anyone is talking about..." are only the people in your echo chamber. It's obvious you don't spend much time outside of your bubble, since you haven't heard any other type of discussion regarding this.
And your last paragraph is the typical, tone-deaf (and telling) response of many (certain) people, who will never, ever, ever get it. Your use of the term "complaining" alone is pretty repulsive, when you consider what they're "complaining" about.
The only time that topic of "police brutality and oppression" comes up now is when a player like Eric Reid goes on the View show to explain they aren't protesting the flag/country. Like I said, not a good protest if what you're protesting has to be explained over and over. BTW he said he wants the laws changed so that police can't use lethal force if someone is unarmed. So if an unarmed suspect resists arrest, attacks a cop and tries strangling him or taking his weapon as in the Michael Brown case a cop can't use lethal force?? GTFO
And BTW you may want to look up the definition of protest:
protest
verb
gerund or present participle: protesting
prəˈtest,prōˈtest/Submit
1.
express an objection to what someone has said or done.
"she wouldn't let him pay, and he didn't protest"
synonyms: express opposition, object, dissent, take issue, make/take a stand, put up a fight, kick, take exception, complain, express disapproval, disagree, demur, remonstrate, make a fuss
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I think most players have realized this and is why there are only a handful left doing it. Instead of helping their cause of "black oppression and police brutality", all anyone is talking about is whether or not their kneeling is anti-American and disrespectful to veterans. When you have to keep explaining what your protest is about and pleading that you are not protesting the flag, the country and its veterans its obviously not working.
Plus it doesn't help that a bunch of famous, black millionaire athletes in a league that is 80% black are complaining that their race is oppressed and can't succeed in this country.
Your post couldn't be more wrong.
The protest didn't fail, and it didn't backfire. It became a huge national story. Most of the time that it's brought up in the news, the reason behind it is mentioned. A protest that fails and backfires is one that nobody pays attention to.
The "anyone" you refer to in "...all anyone is talking about..." are only the people in your echo chamber. It's obvious you don't spend much time outside of your bubble, since you haven't heard any other type of discussion regarding this.
And your last paragraph is the typical, tone-deaf (and telling) response of many (certain) people, who will never, ever, ever get it. Your use of the term "complaining" alone is pretty repulsive, when you consider what they're "complaining" about.
The only time that topic of "police brutality and oppression" comes up now is when a player like Eric Reid goes on the View show to explain they aren't protesting the flag/country. Like I said, not a good protest if what you're protesting has to be explained over and over. BTW he said he wants the laws changed so that police can't use lethal force if someone is unarmed. So if an unarmed suspect resists arrest, attacks a cop and tries strangling him or taking his weapon as in the Michael Brown case a cop can't use lethal force?? GTFO
And BTW you may want to look up the definition of protest:
protest
verb
gerund or present participle: protesting
prəˈtest,prōˈtest/Submit
1.
express an objection to what someone has said or done.
"she wouldn't let him pay, and he didn't protest"
synonyms: express opposition, object, dissent, take issue, make/take a stand, put up a fight, kick, take exception, complain, express disapproval, disagree, demur, remonstrate, make a fuss
It has to be explained over and over again because duderheads such yourself, and certain television personalities continue to muddle the issue by injecting their own super patriotism and expecting everyone else to feel the same way. Why? I suspect it's because you care not to address either the symptoms or root causes of what these players are protesting.
And when all else fails, claim that you know a black guy that doesn't like the protests either or that he's never witnessed or been the target of unlawful frisking or been affected by discrimination. Then when that fails, claim that these guys don't even actually know what they're protesting cause they're stupid.
However, many like Eric cannot get past the optic of men not standing for the flag.
My father is a WWII vet who fought in the Pacific, and honestly, the protest rubs me the wrong way even though I believe the players who State they are not trying to disrespect the military.
But the protest forum is misguided and is hurting the product. No employee has the right to do that to their employer without suffering consequences.
Let s see how players react when the protest begins to impact their personal finances.
It's all bullshit. All of it. A narcissistic, petulant, septuagenarian baby carrying a decades old grudge about not being able to buy an NFL team is merely stoking anger within our society as a way to divide Americans into a cultural identity war because it gains him adulation and praise from his fervent non-bot supporters all while distracting the same people from the consequential news that breaks each day.
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I think you're making a false equivalency. The players protesting one thing (racial oppression) does not require them to protest against all injustices in the country. That would be impossible. They are focusing their protest on the most personal issue to them and are using their voices to highlight that issue.
The the outrage on the other side is a direct response to that. It's an anger is against disrespecting the flag/anthem. But why is that outrage ONLY directed at a very select group of people? Why is it only what the (black) athletes are doing who are the ones that need to be admonished for disrespecting the flag/anthem?
There isn't outrage at the people talking during the anthem, on their phones, at the concession stands, drinking beer, holding their dicks-- none of that draws outrage. Just the players.
There haven't been talking heads crucifying stadiums and teams for selling concessions during the anthem or at the stadium/security for checking people in during the anthem, or bars for carrying on during the anthem.
And if it's kneeling, then why hasn't any vocal protester said ONE WORD about all the photographers on their knees on the field during the anthem taking pictures?
There may be some well-meaning people who are bothered by people kneeling during the anthem. But this fever pitch out outrage matches the same undercurrent of the stupid MAGA ideology.
I'm not here to defend it, just explain it.
Most stadiums I'm in if someone is talking or sitting or wearing a hat during the Anthem people yell at them to stand, shut up or take their hat off. Sort of a crowd sourced form of enforcement. That's what I typically see, sounds like you don't see that.
but, and it's a big but, those acts are usually not done out of malice or protest, they are done out of ignorance or indifference.
If you can't see the distinction then you don't want to see the distinction in how one of those two scenarios is more offensive (to some).
People in their houses or bars or any other place you mention is the real false equivalency because there has never been a tradition ever for people to stand in their homes or bars or anywhere other than at the game out of respect for the Anthem.
B) If as a business you decide to play the anthem - then you open it up to being used by your employees to address political protest. IMO it is an instance of repression if you do this and issue penalties to those who would have differing views and act on them.
C) The NFL opened up this can of worms by intermixing state and private business. They wouldn't have to do damage control if they didn't want to use phony patriotism either in the first place; or to respond to heat generated by an inappropriate president and fans who do not understand what freedom really means.
The stanza we've adopted is the question in the proclamation.
Key is asking the question, as he observes the tattered flag over, as if to ask are we both a land of freedom and bravery.
That's an important posit in this debate. The author determines we are equally both of these qualities as a nation - and that the beaten flag is a just metaphor for both the wars we fight with bombs and battle for freedom among us.
The poem ends answering the question affirmatively:
Between their loved home and the wars desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heavn rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: In God is our trust.
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
Oer the land of the free and the home of the brave!
I would challenge us all to remember the anthem we celebrate is in honor of the bravery of those who fight to preserve and in the freedoms we are afforded - not only because of the war-time battles we fight, but for the noble cause for freedom we all might strive for daily.
However you feel about protest, the nature of the protest, the eloquence of the protest - it might be wise to remember protest is fundamental to our American view of freedom, and freedom is the Yin to the Yang of bravery in the anthem.