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gidiefor : Mod : 11/20/2017 9:31 am
Sorry gang. I know this is not my usual stance, and I did enjoy the win yesterday, but I didn't see anything in the Giants play that gave me any reason to believe they didn't suck.

I really don't think we'll be beating any of the NFCE teams - and the game we're supposed to win - the Cardinals -- well see the 49er's game.

This is a bad team this year -- root for whatever you want -- I never want to see them lose, but they have been losing because they are awful. What did you see that gives you reason to think overwise.

The turnovers yesterday were the difference in the game -- Snacks in the right place at the right time and the ball just lands in his wheelhouse -- look what I found Ma! Jack Rabbit seeing a ball takin astray by the wind and plucking it unchallenged by a KC player within 10 or 15 yds -- look what I found Ma!

Nope KC did not handle the wind well yesterday - and they underestimated the Giants - just like the Bronco's did.

My friends there were many Offensive plays yesterday where the Giants looked like they didn't have a clue, and the usual muffs we've been seeing all season still occurred -- I was not overly impressed with the Defense either. They were inconsistent at best.

Enjoy the win - because more misery is coming.
Last year was fool's gold....  
Britt in VA : 11/20/2017 9:32 am : link
Yesterday was just a single game in an otherwise dismal season. Nobody believes yesterday was a springboard to anything bigger/better.
Et tu  
oldog : 11/20/2017 9:32 am : link
Brute?
Credit to McAdoo....  
Britt in VA : 11/20/2017 9:33 am : link
for having his team ready to play.

I really thought they had quit.
The Broncos flat out suck too  
The_Boss : 11/20/2017 9:33 am : link
They didn’t underestimate anyone.
No such thing as fool’s gold at 2-8  
Sean : 11/20/2017 9:34 am : link
As I’ve said, the Giants were never going 1-15. They will likely stumble into another win or 2 and finish 4-12 which is the same record as 2003.
It was..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/20/2017 9:36 am : link
the same formula as last year. Offense minimizes mistakes, defense shuts down the opponent and we do just enough to eke out a win.

If the defense doesn't play lights out, we don't have a chance. That's what 2017 has shown repeatedly.
RE: Last year was fool's gold....  
Section331 : 11/20/2017 9:36 am : link
In comment 13698816 Britt in VA said:
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Yesterday was just a single game in an otherwise dismal season. Nobody believes yesterday was a springboard to anything bigger/better.


This. Great defensive effort yesterday, but playing a weak armed QB on a windy day helped. The offense still sucks, and that is supposed to be McAdoo's strong suit.
I liked the fire I saw yesterday.  
Beezer : 11/20/2017 9:38 am : link
Might be some things to salvage going forward.

I've never been in the "blow it up" camp, but a few people stepped forward yesterday and made pitches to be a part of positives going forward.

Wheeler, to me, was a smallish big deal. Also thought Darkwa solidified himself as a piece, even if he's a backup. Not a bad one at all.

Don't think I see yesterday's win as anything other than what it was. A better effort, and for a some guys, a good resume-builder.
you're right gidie. and so is Britt  
Victor in CT : 11/20/2017 9:38 am : link
I put this in the post game thread, but I think it's relevant here:

* McAdoo still sucks, as does this offensive scheme.
* where were the trick plays, the calling out individuals for poor play, the desperation in Week 3 when it still mattered?
* the roster is still bereft of any talent at LB, DE (maybe Vernon excepted) RB. Gallman may be something, need to see more. Need more CB and S as well.

Though I can't "root to lose", I think the worst thing that can happen is that they finish strongly enough that Reese survives and McAdoo and staff aren't canned.
ideally those higher up  
TexasGmenFan : 11/20/2017 9:41 am : link
look at the full body of work and don't get fooled by a random W in an otherwise abysmal season.

our 2 W's have come against one team that has equally derailed and would now be picking top 5 also, and the other is against a team that has now lost 4 of 5.

this team is systemically broken and needs sweeping changes. the idea that they should get some props for McAdoo getting them to actually show up and TRY for the first time in a few weeks speaks enough for itself.
The offense is terrible, but the defense is good enough  
CT Charlie : 11/20/2017 9:42 am : link
to beat anybody. The defense has quit sometimes not because they hate the coaches but because they grow tired (literally) of the O's ineptitude. They're only human.
Very windy apparently  
idiotsavant : 11/20/2017 9:44 am : link
May have helped out our d backs.
fool's gold?  
BillKo : 11/20/2017 9:45 am : link
We are 2-8......we won because we had a gut check, sucked it up, and got KC on a bad day.

That's the NFL.

I think we'll win maybe 1 or 2 more games max.
RE: The Broncos flat out suck too  
gidiefor : Mod : 11/20/2017 9:46 am : link
In comment 13698824 The_Boss said:
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They didn’t underestimate anyone.


The Broncos are a much better team than their record - they have a sucky QB and they have learned to believe that the Defense can carry them -- they have a terrific defense -- but the Giants loss sent them on a tailspin -- they should not have lost that game -- just like KC should not have lost yesterday. Both teams forgot who and what they were when they played the Giants.
Defense not only wins championships...  
silverfox : 11/20/2017 9:46 am : link
...it saves the jobs of many a coach.
RE: The offense is terrible, but the defense is good enough  
Victor in CT : 11/20/2017 9:50 am : link
In comment 13698853 CT Charlie said:
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to beat anybody. The defense has quit sometimes not because they hate the coaches but because they grow tired (literally) of the O's ineptitude. They're only human.


Sorry Charlie, but the defense is good enough to beat a flat, inept offense with a weak armed QB on a windy day. They're not good enough to beat a team with a real offense.
RE: RE: The Broncos flat out suck too  
The_Boss : 11/20/2017 9:53 am : link
In comment 13698866 gidiefor said:
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In comment 13698824 The_Boss said:


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They didn’t underestimate anyone.



The Broncos are a much better team than their record - they have a sucky QB and they have learned to believe that the Defense can carry them -- they have a terrific defense -- but the Giants loss sent them on a tailspin -- they should not have lost that game -- just like KC should not have lost yesterday. Both teams forgot who and what they were when they played the Giants.


Be leery of Denver in April. Elway needs a QB badly. He and Lynch are tight. I can definitely see that relationship helping Denver facilitate a trade for the #2 (assuming it plays out Cleveland, SF, NYG) in the draft.
Agree, the offensive game plan sucked again  
ZogZerg : 11/20/2017 10:03 am : link
The Defense made the difference, they didn't suck like they did for most of the year. I'm thinking the wind helped.

Also, KC isn't that good this year.
No shit they’re a bad team  
WillVAB : 11/20/2017 11:06 am : link
That’s why they’re 2-8. Doesn’t mean they’re devoid of talent and require a complete roster overhaul like many clowns suggest.
Nonsense, its real gold. All the way to 8-8 baby!  
PatersonPlank : 11/20/2017 11:12 am : link
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Agree gidie  
Stan in LA : 11/20/2017 11:26 am : link
We have become a trap game for whatever good team we play from now on. Sad.
Agree with gidiefor & FMiC.  
TC : 11/20/2017 11:32 am : link
Love to see the win, but if that forestalls needed change, it just promises ongoing sub-mediocrity.

The Giants D had a major improvement in effort and played better, Wheeler wasn't a disaster and Eli had a better game. But perhaps most notably, the Chiefs didn't play as well as they were playing at the start of the season. And by comparison to those games, actually looked sluggish. And they also made a number of critical bad decisions and mistakes.

There are some decent players on the Giants roster, but a thorough reassessment and rebuilding is needed, with new leadership at both HC and GM. Once TC departed (Who had his own problems.) I've seen nothing from a McAdoo offense to suggest I want him to stick around.
RE: Agree, the offensive game plan sucked again  
jbeintherockies : 11/20/2017 11:50 am : link
In comment 13698909 ZogZerg said:
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The Defense made the difference, they didn't suck like they did for most of the year. I'm thinking the wind helped.

Also, KC isn't that good this year.

Please expand on how the offensive game plan sucked, please.
I agree with the original post  
Matt M. : 11/20/2017 12:10 pm : link
Especially the D, which everyone was touting. I don't think this proves anything about them. This was more the result of the chiefs not handling the wind very well and Andy Reid getting too cute for his own good,.
I love comments like these  
RinR : 11/20/2017 12:17 pm : link
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The turnovers yesterday were the difference in the game -- Snacks in the right place at the right time and the ball just lands in his wheelhouse -- look what I found Ma! Jack Rabbit seeing a ball takin astray by the wind and plucking it unchallenged by a KC player within 10 or 15 yds -- look what I found Ma!


They get criticized even when they are making plays. {smh}
well get used to it for next season  
micky : 11/20/2017 12:20 pm : link
yesterday's win vs a Chiefs team that was 6-3 and what took place this past week with Mara speaking, saved both McAdoo's job and Reese's job. I'm gaurantee

Offense  
Rong5611 : 11/20/2017 1:58 pm : link
Of course it sucks, how are McAdoo & Sullivan supposed to make this mess into a juggernaut? I think they are getting what they can. Injuries have taken a big toll and we didn't think improving the OL before the season was a good idea. Some points to illustrate below:

- The only consistently good WR on the roster is Sterling Shepard, and he didn't play yesterday. No Beckham, no Marshall, no Harris. It is likely none of the current crop that's playing will be back (except Shepard, maybe Lewis & King).

- No Pugh or Richburg yesterday. Richburg is out for the season. Pugh can't stay healthy. These guys were considered to be the best guys we had up front.

- Chad Wheeler is our starting RT currently. Yes, it is a good thing, he looks to have upside. Certainly better than Hart. But, let's not mistake him for Kareem McKensie, at least not yet. He had a tough day in pass protection.
Richburg isn't very good. He's weak. And he's always hurt on top of it  
Victor in CT : 11/20/2017 2:37 pm : link
Pugh is highly overrated on BBI. And he too is always hurt. No way I'd commit biig $$ and years to him.
Success?  
Giantslifer : 11/20/2017 2:37 pm : link
Although season is lost, there can be some fun left

DC team way unstable, we could split- small victory

cowboys are falling apart- too bad they may actually fire garrett and someone could come in and wake them - winnable game - Windy &snow

Only lost to Eagles by fluke kick, maybe they will be resting.

5-11 top 5 pick. See ya next draft day
Bingo  
Bluesbreaker : 11/20/2017 5:14 pm : link
Last year was fool's gold....
Britt in VA : 9:32 am : link : reply
Yesterday was just a single game in an otherwise dismal season. Nobody believes yesterday was a springboard to anything bigger/better.
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