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superspynyg : 11/20/2017 10:32 am
Marlins have received trade offers for Stanton from the Giants, Cardinals, and possibly the Red Sox. Stanton has said he wont go to Sox or Cards. Not sure why not the Cards. They have the trade power with 3 top prospect arms. Not sure who they offered.

JD Martinez agent wants 200 mil for his guy. Martinez is a very good player but not sure he is worth that. He will prob get it though.

MLB and Japan have agreed to extend the posting agreement one year and list Otani under the extension. Just waiting for Players Union to agree to it. I don't see why they would not agree. Due to his age he would have to sign a minor league deal and would be subject just like all other. Rangers have the most money 3.5 mil and the Yanks are just under that with 3.3 mil.

Not sure if any deals will be done before Thanksgiving.
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Wow  
Shecky : 11/21/2017 12:59 pm : link
Hat tip to Capone
..  
Heisenberg : 11/21/2017 1:00 pm : link
Major League Baseball informed multiple Braves international signings today that they will become free agents, multiple sources told Baseball America. Those players include shortstop Kevin Maitan and catcher Abrahan Gutierrez, who received the Braves top two signing bonuses in their 2016 class.

The players will have restrictions on their free agency. BA will update the list of players removed from the organization and the rules regarding their next contracts as that information becomes available.


Read more at https://www.baseballamerica.com/international/mlb-removing-prospects-braves/#SesysMprzOa4Agpc.99
I don't doubt capone heard some things the other day,  
GiantFilthy : 11/21/2017 1:01 pm : link
but for real this has been known for over a month. Us Braves fans have been waiting around for a long time.
RE: Wow  
halfback20 : 11/21/2017 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13700383 Shecky said:
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Hat tip to Capone


Everyone knew the Braves were in trouble and would lose some recent international prospects. He was insinuating or at least presenting the thought that Acuna would be involved and that isn't true as if yet. Acuna was signed by Frank Wren and had nothing to do with the former GM that resigned.
RE: I don't doubt capone heard some things the other day,  
halfback20 : 11/21/2017 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13700388 GiantFilthy said:
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but for real this has been known for over a month. Us Braves fans have been waiting around for a long time.


Ever since Coppy resigned.
RE: Wow  
BigBlue4You09 : 11/21/2017 1:03 pm : link
In comment 13700383 Shecky said:
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Hat tip to Capone


The story broke days before Capone mentioned it here FYI
...  
halfback20 : 11/21/2017 1:04 pm : link
SS/3B Kevin Maitan and C Abrahan Gutierrez are two of the #Braves players who will become free agents, according to @BenBadler: https://t.co/v9GodrbEOS
RE: I don't doubt capone heard some things the other day,  
Shecky : 11/21/2017 1:04 pm : link
In comment 13700388 GiantFilthy said:
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but for real this has been known for over a month. Us Braves fans have been waiting around for a long time.


Its not all out yet
Dave Cameron  
Metnut : 11/21/2017 1:06 pm : link
had Lorenzo Cain and Carlos Santana as his two best FA bargains this season (last year he had Justin Turner and Rich Hill). Mets are at least interested in both.
Their  
DanMetroMan : 11/21/2017 1:12 pm : link
interest in Santana is pretty damning in regard to their view of Dom Smith unless the interest is incorrect.
If the Braves keep Yunior Severino I will be thrilled  
Jay on the Island : 11/21/2017 1:33 pm : link
He hasn't been mentioned yet but he was more impressive than Maitan last year.
RE: If the Braves keep Yunior Severino I will be thrilled  
GiantFilthy : 11/21/2017 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13700446 Jay on the Island said:
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He hasn't been mentioned yet but he was more impressive than Maitan last year.

Absolutely! My hopes are low though.
MLB thread......lots of talk about the Braves  
Greg from LI : 11/21/2017 1:47 pm : link
Something doesn't compute here.
YOU don't compute.  
GiantFilthy : 11/21/2017 1:48 pm : link
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The Braves are losing  
Jay on the Island : 11/21/2017 1:49 pm : link
Severino and Juan Contreras.
RE: MLB thread......lots of talk about the Braves  
Jay on the Island : 11/21/2017 1:50 pm : link
In comment 13700461 Greg from LI said:
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Something doesn't compute here.

It's kind of a big story.
Shouldn't we be discussing actual major league teams?  
Greg from LI : 11/21/2017 1:50 pm : link
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RE: YOU don't compute.  
Heisenberg : 11/21/2017 1:50 pm : link
In comment 13700464 GiantFilthy said:
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Welp, there we go.  
GiantFilthy : 11/21/2017 1:51 pm : link
Such an awesome signing class that year. Then again, without shady shit there is a chance that Coppy wouldn't have been able to grab these guys anyways.
P Yelfi Del Rosario  
Jay on the Island : 11/21/2017 1:57 pm : link
Is the last big name left. If they keep him or Yenci Pena it will sting less.
RE: Welp, there we go.  
Jay on the Island : 11/21/2017 2:16 pm : link
In comment 13700472 GiantFilthy said:
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Such an awesome signing class that year. Then again, without shady shit there is a chance that Coppy wouldn't have been able to grab these guys anyways.

I am wondering if the Padres will be investigated. They spent the most amount of money in that years IFA market and signed most of the top 30 prospects.
RE: Shouldn't we be discussing actual major league teams?  
BrettNYG10 : 11/21/2017 2:27 pm : link
In comment 13700468 Greg from LI said:
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Still sour over this?
Braves - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Shouldn't we be discussing actual major league teams?  
GiantFilthy : 11/21/2017 2:29 pm : link
In comment 13700502 BrettNYG10 said:
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Still sour over this? Braves - ( New Window )

Of course they are. Yankee fans have been waiting for 60 years to be able to get revenge for that but fate has yet to bring both teams together again for that shot. Sad.
It gets worse  
Jay on the Island : 11/21/2017 3:20 pm : link
The Braves also lose P Yefri Del Rosario and SS Livan Soto. They will also reportedly lose their 3rd round pick this year and face harsh restrictions over the next two IFA markets.
12 prospects in total.  
GiantFilthy : 11/21/2017 3:37 pm : link
Shit this hurts. This can really damage the team in a couple of years.
Judge had his shoulder scoped today  
Greg from LI : 11/21/2017 3:49 pm : link
So he was indeed playing through an injury in the second half when we'd see him flexing his shoulder during games and wearing a giant ice pack after games.
in other news - per RAB, Aaron Judge had arthroscopic surgery  
Del Shofner : 11/21/2017 3:49 pm : link
on his left shoulder today, and will be ready for spring training. Apparently he was indeed banged up this year.
geez ... I'm starting to think like Greg, that's scary  
Del Shofner : 11/21/2017 3:50 pm : link
:-)
RE: Welp, there we go.  
halfback20 : 11/21/2017 3:53 pm : link
In comment 13700472 GiantFilthy said:
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Such an awesome signing class that year. Then again, without shady shit there is a chance that Coppy wouldn't have been able to grab these guys anyways.


Don't a lot of teams do the shady shit, they just don't treat everyone like crap in the process?

RE: RE: Welp, there we go.  
Jay on the Island : 11/21/2017 4:03 pm : link
In comment 13700604 halfback20 said:
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In comment 13700472 GiantFilthy said:


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Such an awesome signing class that year. Then again, without shady shit there is a chance that Coppy wouldn't have been able to grab these guys anyways.



Don't a lot of teams do the shady shit, they just don't treat everyone like crap in the process?

Yes if Coppy wasn't such an asshole the Braves would be sitting pretty right now. They also had an agreement in place with 14 year old Robert Puason who is the top prospect for the 2020 signing period. They we now banned from signing him.
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DanMetroMan : 11/21/2017 4:10 pm : link
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Breaking: MLB announces former #Braves GM John Coppolella has been permanently banned from baseball.
anyone link  
RasputinPrime : 11/21/2017 4:14 pm : link
to the 12 new FAs?
wow  
Greg from LI : 11/21/2017 4:15 pm : link
There's something you don't see every day. The Cardinals guy from the hacking scandal was banned, but I can't think of too many other front office guys who have been banned.
Maitan  
RasputinPrime : 11/21/2017 4:18 pm : link
is going to get to pick where he wants to go. Apparently this doesn't impact Acuna.
RE: RE: RE: Welp, there we go.  
halfback20 : 11/21/2017 4:46 pm : link
In comment 13700622 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13700472 GiantFilthy said:


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Such an awesome signing class that year. Then again, without shady shit there is a chance that Coppy wouldn't have been able to grab these guys anyways.



Don't a lot of teams do the shady shit, they just don't treat everyone like crap in the process?



Yes if Coppy wasn't such an asshole the Braves would be sitting pretty right now. They also had an agreement in place with 14 year old Robert Puason who is the top prospect for the 2020 signing period. They we now banned from signing him.


So if everyone's doing it, Coppy was banned for life because he is a dick?
RE: Maitan  
Jay on the Island : 11/21/2017 4:58 pm : link
In comment 13700651 RasputinPrime said:
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is going to get to pick where he wants to go. Apparently this doesn't impact Acuna.

I don't know why anyone mentions Acuna. He was signed years ago by a different regime.
RE: RE: Maitan  
RasputinPrime : 11/21/2017 5:23 pm : link
In comment 13700725 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13700651 RasputinPrime said:


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is going to get to pick where he wants to go. Apparently this doesn't impact Acuna.


I don't know why anyone mentions Acuna. He was signed years ago by a different regime.


Because he is their top prospect and many baseball fans don't follow the Braves enough to know when or by whom he was signed.
How does  
mitch300 : 11/21/2017 6:05 pm : link
The GM of the team John Hart not get penalized.
RE: How does  
GiantFilthy : 11/21/2017 6:11 pm : link
In comment 13700787 mitch300 said:
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The GM of the team John Hart not get penalized.

MLB investigation found no wrongdoing on his part. He wasn't the acting GM. Question is, how could he not have known? Either he is lying and got away with it or he was completely oblivious. Either way I'm glad he is gone. Time for new blood.
Didn't the Yankees fire their top Latin America guy a while back  
yatqb : 11/21/2017 6:20 pm : link
(maybe Nardi Contreras) for some similar crap?
Coppy got his start with the Yankees.  
GiantFilthy : 11/21/2017 6:22 pm : link
Obviously he learned this stuff from them.
RE: Coppy got his start with the Yankees.  
yatqb : 11/21/2017 6:33 pm : link
In comment 13700801 GiantFilthy said:
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Obviously he learned this stuff from them.



I do seem to recall someone (maybe a buscone) being fired by the Yanks. Does anyone remember that?

And my beloved Yankees would never cheat, Filthy. Only a Braves (or Mets) fan would insinuate such a shanda.
Get to work, Cashman  
Ryan in Albany : 11/21/2017 6:45 pm : link
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Source: Tentative agreement reached among NPB, MLB, Players Association on posting system to cover this offseason, then 3-yr deal moving forward. going to be 10 days until owners ratify, earliest Ohtani posted next Friday.
RE: Coppy got his start with the Yankees.  
Jay on the Island : 11/21/2017 6:47 pm : link
In comment 13700801 GiantFilthy said:
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Obviously he learned this stuff from them.

Blakeley who was fired with Coppy also came from the Yankees.
RE: How does  
Jay on the Island : 11/21/2017 6:49 pm : link
In comment 13700787 mitch300 said:
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The GM of the team John Hart not get penalized.

Hart was the president Coppy was the GM. Hart re-signed reportedly due to the investigation. He either knew about all of this and did nothing to stop it or he was unaware of what was happening right under his nose. Either way Hart looks bad. With that said Hart played a huge part in the rebuild and I personally am sad to see him go despite the fact that he was more of a consultant than an actual president.
Jay,  
GiantFilthy : 11/21/2017 7:54 pm : link
I've been wanting to get past the Braves way for years. I'm delighted, and surprised, that they picked a GM who doesn't have ties to the old guard.
RE: Jay,  
Jay on the Island : 11/22/2017 9:13 am : link
In comment 13700875 GiantFilthy said:
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I've been wanting to get past the Braves way for years. I'm delighted, and surprised, that they picked a GM who doesn't have ties to the old guard.

I am glad as well but it wasn't for a lack of trying. They tried desperately to get former Braves exec Dayton Moore to come over as GM but the Royals wouldn't allow it. AA was the fallback option. I am very happy that they didn't bring in Moore as I am not a fan of his. Let's just hope that Anthopoulos isn't pressure to make a big trade in a lame attempt to raise fan morale while giving up several top prospects.
Teams  
DanMetroMan : 11/22/2017 9:16 am : link
can use 2018 pool money on the Braves 13 (but can't combine pools) so if the Mets don't pursue them there is no excuse.
RE: RE: Jay,  
halfback20 : 11/22/2017 10:00 am : link
In comment 13701108 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13700875 GiantFilthy said:


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I've been wanting to get past the Braves way for years. I'm delighted, and surprised, that they picked a GM who doesn't have ties to the old guard.


I am glad as well but it wasn't for a lack of trying. They tried desperately to get former Braves exec Dayton Moore to come over as GM but the Royals wouldn't allow it. AA was the fallback option. I am very happy that they didn't bring in Moore as I am not a fan of his. Let's just hope that Anthopoulos isn't pressure to make a big trade in a lame attempt to raise fan morale while giving up several top prospects.


I think AA will do a good job.
Don't  
DanMetroMan : 11/22/2017 3:47 pm : link
dislike Shaw but buyer beware


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It wouldn't be surprising if the Mets moved soon on bullpen. One name I keep hearing: Bryan Shaw.
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