Question regarding MacAdoo and probable dismissal

Mind, but I can definitely see both remaining if they win 4 or 5 from here.

I wouldn't be shocked if Reese stays even if they finish 2-14.

IF (and it's a BIG if) they go 5-2 the rest of the way, if the offense continues to struggle so badly, it's going to be hard to find reasons to bring him back.

most likely be fired or retained, not by the outcome of the remainder of the season, but how his answers to ownership's questions and how his actions are perceived by them.

He's going to have to convince them that there is a specific plan for improvement to address the shortcomings that have surfaced, and we have to trust ownership will make the right decision.

I can't see them retaining him, but if they do, I hope he's got a plan to score 24 points in a game at least a couple times a year.....

it might give me pause if they went on a run, but the offense has been putrid, and he's an offensive coach, so I guess I'd say I still would want him gone. It would give me pause, though.

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He will... FatMan in Charlotte : 3:44 pm : link : reply most likely be fired or retained

Disagree.

during the season, it's hard to see how they bring him back even if we win a few more games. At least that's how I see it. X's and O's are one thing, the team quitting on the coach is another.

I think he is over his head a little, especially with regard to evaluating player readiness for game day.

Performs is a good point

I dont even think the players playing hard for him the final 6 games should have any bearing on it either. Are players progressing under his tutelage? Has the offense gotten better(his supposed area of expertise)? Can he handle the media?

My question is, what part of coaching does McAdoo actually excel at? He doesn't inspire the fan base. He hasnt made the offense better. He is constantly throwing players under the bus. He isnt great at managing the game. What would be the reasoning behind the Mara's bringing him back?

this was supposed to be a team ready to contend for a Super Bowl and it ended up a dumpster fire and the offense has been bad even when OBJ played (unless we are all impressed with the 300 yards total offense and 12 points they put up yesterday on a Chiefs defense that was 28th in the NFL in yards allowed and passing yards allowed).

Let's not be fooled. He needs to go and Reese out the door with him.

Anything at this point is lipstick on the proverbial pig.

It's going to take a lot more than squeaking by a struggling KC team to convince me that McAdoo has any staying power.

The Denver win looked impressive, too - until we saw what happened to the Broncos in each game since then.

Turns out they stink.

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After an unexpected spirited effort and improbable victory from his team ...

That happened against the Broncos, too. what did the Giants do after that? Not much. Let's see how they fare against a division rival. Those are the games that REALLY matter.

Beating an AFC team that you face once every four years doesn't do much for me.

the offense starts averaging 20-25 points a game and the defense plays strong, then there's a chance they might give Mac a third season on a very short leash.

If the offense doesn't come around, then I'd guess he's toast.

In comment 13699485 Britt in VA said:

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it might give me pause if they went on a run, but the offense has been putrid, and he's an offensive coach, so I guess I'd say I still would want him gone. It would give me pause, though.

Putrid for almost two full seasons now.

In comment 13699485 Britt in VA said:

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it might give me pause if they went on a run, but the offense has been putrid, and he's an offensive coach, so I guess I'd say I still would want him gone. It would give me pause, though.

Agree with everything, except having pause.

Two years its been his offense alone, without any influcence from Tom Coughlin, and the team is just subpar most Sunday's.

Combine that with the OL issues provided by the Front Office- despite using multiple/premium picks - a tear down of the front office and coaching staff is appropriate. It's the perfect time, considering Eli is at the end of his career here.

There's enough talent on this team where you bring in a new voice at the top, the turnaround can be immediate (meaning competing again) and also providing a stepping stone to the future with a potentially a young QB to wait in the wings.

but, if the Giants go 6-10 / 7-9 and play tough down the stretch, you could argue that McAdoo has had one helluva learning experience.

I was thinking today- what if McAdoo took the Eagle job and we had Pederson? Would things be so different as they currently are?

for his next assistant gig

In comment 13699521 hitdog42 said:

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for his next assistant gig

All the info I need - thanks.

considering what happened last week, there's no doubt Mac will be back along with Reese. Mara lives on a "no-knee=jerk" reactions and wants continuity and to stay the course.

Only changes people looking for, would be the draft class of 2018...that's it.

In comment 13699524 micky said:

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considering what happened last week, there's no doubt Mac will be back along with Reese. Mara lives on a "no-knee=jerk" reactions and wants continuity and to stay the course. Only changes people looking for, would be the draft class of 2018...that's it.

There is absolutely no merit behind this statement.

for the most part, the gameplans have been good enough. The offensive line sunk the team early as did Eli's inability to play behind it (put me in the camp that thinks Eli has more to do with the offense's dysfunction than any other person in the organization, be it McAdoo, Reese, Flowers, Jerry, etc.). I would like to see what McAdoo can do with a functional quarterback (whether it be Eli behind a better line or someone else).

I like that he benched two key players with good reason even though he's on the hot seat. I think he's a good, young coach in his second year who will improve. He gets compared to "that coach we don't speak of," but I think those comparisons are junk due to their respective ages at the time they got the HC job and the fact that McAdoo coached an 11-win team and made the playoffs in year 1. I think McAdoo was dealt a bad hand in year 2 - a well-past-his-prime QB and a marginal line were a recipe for disaster. You can't give a coach the worst quarterback in the division and expect him to win it (credit to McAdoo for working around this last year). I do think he can get it fixed.

up in smoke. I know I don't.

0-2 when it meant something. bye Ben. And take Jerry with you.

can make book that Mara has reached out , via third parties , to coaches like Saban to see if there is any interest in coaching the Giants. George Young got caught doing that once. The person he approached (to canvass Howard Schellenberger) worked for an agency that also had ties to Parcells. And that was how their relationship permanently ruptured. Bill never forgave him for doing that during the brutal 83 season. If I recall correctly Parcells lost both his parents that year and an assistant coach (Ledbetter ?), who was one of his best friends.

So let's say Saban, Gruden and,of course, Cowher are not interested . Then where do you go? They can't go the coordinator promotion route so now you are compiling the Who Is Better Than Mike Smith List.

Therefore,I think McAdoo has a realistic shot at returning . So does Reese for various reasons . Don't be surprised if they both return .

Recently Jerruh stayed with Garrett following a 3-13 that is not that disimilar to the Giants 18. They went early in the draft . They rebounded . Might happen here .

result in him coming back...well, I give up.

If we win 3or 4 more games McAdoo and Spags stay, Reese still goes.

If we don't win more that 2 more games everyone must go.

I would be okay with McAdoo before Reese. I don't want to have everyone learn a new offense this late in Eli's career. I believe that he has at least two good years left after this season if he stays relatively health. We don't need to hope for losses and a top 3 pick to grab the next QB if Eli is capable of playing and we like Webb.

If anyone has to go it's Reese. He has been convincing ownership to fire coaches that really had no chance with the lack of talent on the roster. He has been told year after year to fix the OL, find a LB, quit drafting injured guys because you think you got a bargain. I think the man is arrogant. I think that he will not do what needs to be done here. We need new blood. Someone who will let Pugh & Richburg walk because their lack of effectiveness is made worse by the fact that they are injury prone with a history of concussions. They get no push and they can't hold their ground. Time to let someone else buy the groceries.

The Midgets need a complete housecleaning starting with Reese, Ross, and McAdoo. All of them have to go, and that's just the start.

Blow out the Eagles? Epic for the players and fans.

Unlikely and still won't save staff.

Maybe spags.....maaaybe.

Very unlikely scenario though.

He said "It means that we are 1-5 instead of 0-6".

I don't think Mara was impressed with one or even 2 wins. Or more. I truly think he is looking for serious results and they haven't been forthcoming as of yet.

But one point I will agree on, Thursday night's game is BIG for McAdoo's chances. If they fail to show up on national TV on Thanksgiving, McAdoo will be done.

They all need to go and I am not sure if Reese will go which I think he should . I still think that we will not see that effort every game if it gets out of hand early players are
not gonna rick injury and I don't blame them .

change his on field coaching style. Yesterday he displayed some emotion and his face wasn't behind the play-sheet all the time. Give him credit for that, but if the team again puts out a shit effort, whether they win or lose he's history.

wonder if the Giants just find a new GM that is willing to take him? For some reason I see the ownership as spineless and to scared to start over. In a way it masks their incompetence as they can blame it on others (GM, coach) as they always need a scapegoat. After seeing some players realize they not have jobs due to quitting on the field they will make McAdoo seem like a guy that can weather the storm and blame it on injuries and Reese. After all the coach was their choice and had to own sending TC out of the building?

where was this defensive effort last week, against a winless team?

As for the offense, 9 points just does not cut it....

If Reese, Ross and Chris Mara aren't fired or reassigned, it almost doesn't matter.

don't mean anything. This has been a great run for Reese, but he needs to go and a total house cleaning should follow.

making any decision. If the team continues to play inspired football, he might be back, but I would say that he will be given an ultimatum in my opinion and next year will be put up or shut up. I also think they will force him to hire an experienced OC and come up with an improved offense. This shitshow has been going on far too long.

In comment 13699636 Doomster said:

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where was this defensive effort last week, against a winless team? As for the offense, 9 points just does not cut it....

9 pts. That's the indictment of Jerry Reese (oline, etc, etc).

of this season? Get out of here. These players are at the point where they are no longer playing for McAdoo. They are playing for themselves and their future. McAdoo's press conferences, his lack of offensive production, his lack of creativity, his stubborness, his arrogance, etc. This guy meeds to be gone as soon as possible.

For those that think he should stay, please, list his positive traits. I would love to see that list. His success has been almost strictly connected to our defense. And by his own admittance he wasn't needed by them when he was calling plays because that was his excuse cod giving up playcalling. So, what does he do well?

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If the team continues to play inspired football

How is winning 12-9 inspired football? Is the bar really set that low?

I'm in the minority but I think right now it's 50/50 that Mac is back.

I think ownership sees the piss poor effort by some of the players and has to factor that in. How much they blame that on Mac is the big question.

They might mandate some changes, but I'm betting he gets one more year.

It needs a good, thorough cleaning, and it should happen this off season. They should be looking for a GM right now, and that person should be brought in with 3 games left to play, so they can see all the players in a regular season practice weeks. Oh they won't do that. Fuck, makes me sick to think they might even keep Reese. Sick. Loyalty and patience are great when they produce results. The Giants have been .455 since they won the Super Bowl in 2011/12. Coughlin has already taken a bullet for some bad years, so to keep Reese would be beyond any defensible logic. CLEAN HOUSE. Would rather go 2-14 next season knowing the team had a focused direction and approach, rather than the hit or miss, tail chasing general management of Jerry Reese with a bunch of holdovers from previous coaching regimes. Cuz you know Quinn will still be here if they dont clean house. Enough.

yesterday was a signature win in the mcadoo era.

A good owner is going to look at the season as a whole and all phase of the game.
McAdoo
Did he maximize the talent present?
Did he build a good coaching staff?
Play calling?
Game management?
player management ?

Reese
Talent by position?
How was his draft?
Free Agents?
Cap control?
Dealt with injuries?
Coaching staff?

If I look at it this way I think Reese will survive and McAdoo will be fired.
I hope they both go..

Were the final nails in the coffin.

but 1) Reese is probably gone either way, and 2) the new GM will probably get the chance to choose the next coach, with input from the owners and Eli Manning, unless the new GM is going to get rid of him.

Reese's only chance to survive is probably for Wheeler to play like a stud the rest of the season, and for the linebackers to get healthy, and for Eli Apple to come back clear-headed and playing great, and for Gallman to run wild, and for Webb to look brilliant if and when he gets on the field. Basically for all the question marks to turn into exclamation points.

and that results in a pivot as to whether we retain the Head Coach or not??

He should be a goner for this game almost as much as the first 9...

In comment 13699521 hitdog42 said:

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for his next assistant gig

This post gives me some small sense of inner peace.

there is very little that can move the needle for me on keeping McAdoo and Reese. Remember this was a franchise that thought they had a Super Bowl contender om their hands this year. Instead the team is a joke.


Reese should have been gone two seasons ago, but was given a pass and "put on notice". Well, the Giants are now bottom feeders it is time for change in the front office. Any new quality GM would want to hire their own coach. McAdoo has HC has the Giants as bottom of the barrell offensively and needs big time defensive performances to have a chance to win. He also has players quit on him and the specials still suck.

Now he gets to stay based on a wind aided 12 - 9 win over a collapsing team? Think of how far the Giants have fallen that this past Sunday os viewed as some signature win. It is way past time for a full house cleaning.

I root for the Giants to win and enjoyed Sunday's win. My fear is not draft position, but that wins will save Reese yet again. He has his shots and has failed.

they win a 4 or 5 more games this season and they retain both him and reese. I could actually see the Giants doing this with the old " They are on notice" line thrown out there after ownership makes the call. Somehow they pull the stupid, you have to change your coordinators bit and this crapfest drags on down the road for 2 or 3 more years....ugh.

This team could finish 8-8... And he's still gone... He has mismanaged games, mismanaged the locker room and mismanaged the media.

At this point, players are playing for their jobs. You think Jenkins turned it on because he wants to save McAdoo? He wants to make sure that whoever the head coach is can't part with Jackrabbit at corner.

DRC too... They save something like 6 Mil by cutting him next year... But if he plays lights out, he might stick or at the very least, get another 2 year deal before hanging up his cleats...

You're going to see a different mcadoo at the podium... And the team is going to show up every week. But McAdoo will be a coordinator in '18...

The difficult thing to stomach is with the O-Line performing better of late... Reese has more bounce in his step... That is a travesty because... Reese should have been relieved of his post and Tom should still be running the show.