Holyfield was just interviewed on MSG
This thread is only to ask the question and discuss where Holyfield was when Tyson was in his 20's and fighting anyone who was in front of him.
The truth is Holyfield did not come out of hiding to fight Tyson, when he was the youngest Heavyweight Champion at 19yrs old. Holyfield is approximately 5 years older than Tyson. Its safe to say he didn't want to fight Tyson. When he did it was after had taken a series of steroids. During the fight it was Head Butts that gave him the advantage, which were not warned by the Referee. If the fight would have been allowed to continue Holyfield would have kept his head out of the range to head butt. Then we could have seen a battle. Holyfield will never get the same adulation as Tyson.
Tyson peaked early and was not a fighter of longevity, but he was the Best early round Knockout puncher in Boxing History
No one gives Holyfield credit for that fight in Tyson's 30's. Tyson in his 20's would have tore his head off easily.
Holy shit you are deluded...do some research shitbag.
He's not here to be accurate, he's here to troll.
Didn't want it. Also after Tyson got new trainers aside from Rooney, he wasn't practicing the basis skills as much like the Jab and head movement. He was strictly a knock out puncher. Someone also mentioned his marriage and medication, so that's it. Let's get this straight no one could beat him before the Spinks fight.
Find an article - a source - anything showing Holyfield avoided Tyson. There's an article to the contrary posted earlier in this thread and there are dozens of stories talking about how Holyfield had his sights on tyson from early on. Even went up in class instead of dominating at a lower level for an entire career.
Just consistently and terribly wrong on every subject.
Tyson '86-88 against Holyfield '86-88 would've been a silly joke. Holyfield was fighting 25-30 lbs lighter during most of that period. Holyfield is a HOF fighter, but let's not get silly about this.
There are newspaper articles about Holyfield as far back as 1987 where his management team is talking about a future fight with Tyson.
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It took him 10 years to gain 12 pounds to get to 200lb? Then another 5 years to find enough heart, to go through with a fight after Tyson was finished as a fighter. He was done after trainer Rooney left his camp .
By finishing the Cruiser Weight which no one cared about. He didn't want to fight. Anyone except Fatman can see that.
Holyfield was boring as hell and he still is, He started slurring his words back in 1989.
His interview was on MSG was not honest at all. He may be a good person who knows but Tyson beat anyone in the way to the title and Holfield would have been in the way.
Otherwise, the best advice I can give is to shut the fuck up.
Just a complete moron across many different subjects.
Do you read your own threads? There are several other people ON THIS VERY THREAD seeing the same thing. Being dumb intentionally seems like a strange schtick to continue with, but man you are Aces at it.
It took him 10 years to gain 12 pounds to get to 200lb? Then another 5 years to find enough heart, to go through with a fight after Tyson was finished as a fighter.
Huh? Holyfield became a pro in 1985, and became a heavyweight 3 years later. In his first heavyweight fight, he knocked out James Tillis in 5, a guy who took Tyson the distance. He had a verbal agreement to fight Tyson in 1990, but Tyson lost to Buster Douglas, so Holyfield fought Buster instead.
What the hell are you talking about?
Here is the link again
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Yup, Here is a link to a breakdown of his career record. Just take a look at the lack of quality for so many opponents during his first 27 fights leading up to his championship match. Not only their career records but the little boxes of green and red next to the their names show wins and losses in their six fights leading up to their fight with Tyson. A lot of red in those early "dominant" years.
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Holyfield had plenty of opportunity but for some reason he cleaned up cruiserweight division.
Early Tyson would have destroyed anyone. His fights were over after a few minutes is was a fantastic and exciting to experience. To get to the Bar to watch the fight and its over! He fought the best up until his major well documented distractions. Wife, Trainer, Don King etc.
It was too late for Holyfield,not buying it
He waited to long it doesn't count.
When you fight a man his recorded fighting history is not in the ring.
So in reality Tyson was the reasons behind both earlier fights they may have had but never did. Holyfield never ducked him.
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fought the weak class of fighters that was there early in his career. Tyson never beat a top class fighter in his prime.
Yup, Here is a link to a breakdown of his career record. Just take a look at the lack of quality for so many opponents during his first 27 fights leading up to his championship match. Not only their career records but the little boxes of green and red next to the their names show wins and losses in their six fights leading up to their fight with Tyson. A lot of red in those early "dominant" years. Link - ( New Window )
Very common among even the recognized greats.
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fought the weak class of fighters that was there early in his career. Tyson never beat a top class fighter in his prime.
Yup, Here is a link to a breakdown of his career record. Just take a look at the lack of quality for so many opponents during his first 27 fights leading up to his championship match. Not only their career records but the little boxes of green and red next to the their names show wins and losses in their six fights leading up to their fight with Tyson. A lot of red in those early "dominant" years. Link - ( New Window )
Very common among even the recognized greats.
Sure common for many fighter in there early fights but not sure as common for there to be as many easier fight as he did early on. But that wasn't even the point. Simply was pointing it out as a contradiction the assertion that " He fought best up until his major well documented distractions. Wife, Trainer, Don King etc."
He unified the 3 Championship belts
youngest Champion ever!
That said...'could never'?
That's too absolute. I would venture a guess that even iron mike and hollyfield might be humbler and more flexible regarding the question than some here including you.
What if you had posed it as a question ('who ya got') as opposed to an absolutist position?
That might make for better, more lively and lasting convo.
He unified the 3 Championship belts
youngest Champion ever!
You don't actually ever want to engage in a conversation on here. It happens in every one of your threads. You post whatever brain droppings you're experiencing that day and then make absolutely no effort to even read the posts that others write that contradict your take, despite the fact that they often use things like sources and facts, which you don't.
I'm mostly convinced that you're just a troll, which makes it all the more annoying that you're allowed to continue posting here. But in the event that you're not a troll, I think that's just sad. Because that means you really are the way you come across on here.
Either way, I feel sorry for you.
Maybe if we all practice posing our positions while leaving open the counter possibilities:
"Could it be the case that", " do you guys think it's possible"
"What do you people think?"
And the counter arguments. Instead of "your an idiot" (well, I am the idiot, true) maybe we could try
"Consider this" or something.
Maybe if we all practice posing our positions while leaving open the counter possibilities:
"Could it be the case that", " do you guys think it's possible"
"What do you people think?"
And the counter arguments. Instead of "your an idiot" (well, I am the idiot, true) maybe we could try
"Consider this" or something.
Slightly ironic? Just because I've never learned anything from your three-at-a-time stream of consciousness posts doesn't mean I haven't learned a lot on this board or haven't been open to differing viewpoints. Suffering fools lightly doesn't equate to learning.
Neither is the case with Mobster.
which is " If you live a life of Disrespect you should consider you will Disrespected in return"
You are trying to talk like your above everything and talking down like God does. You don't impress me at all.
I feel sorry for you, because obviously if you think I'm taking any nonsense from You, or Fatman who is narrow minded bigot (Archie Bunker type) with only an opinion himself, then you are seriously injured. This is a thread about Tyson and how he missed fighting Tyson in his prime before he unified the 3 belts in the Heavyweight division and he had couldn't fight him before the titles.
Dunk you could never Dunk or score a TD. You sound un-athletic, and you seem to have a bad temper but you cant really do anything about it, when things don't go your way. You make underhanded comments that are totally false to serve some purpose. I have been a Giant fan since Csonka , LT and Simms. According to you everyone is a troll. That doesn't mean anything. I put you and Fatman in the same boat, I hope your job isn't to go around and Hate all day like Fatman, because only people with no talent make a living like that.
Each thread always gets back to ME, I'm the Star it seems!
Well, now it all makes sense.
And now it doesn't again.
The sooner you're gone from this board, the better off we'll all be.
Every time someone points out that his claims are completely unsubstantiated, don't make sense, or are just flat out bullshit, he refuses to acknowledge any of that and rather decides to double and triple-down on them.
Can't prove most of the diarrhea being spouted, doesn't seem to care. Then wonders why posters wind up piling-on or calling him out. Good stuff.
So perhaps that is the more interesting question - could Holyfield have taken Tyson without that layoff?
I was always in the camp that Tyson had great timing - fighting in his prime when the heavyweight division was way down in quality. He destroyed a lot of mediocre or over-the-hill fighters.
In my eyes, the key is Holyfield had a great chin, and could really take a punch. So I think he could have fought Tyson straight up without being intimidated, which was one of Tyson’s great attributes. And when you can stand up to a bully, goods things always seem to happen. Thus, I think Holyfield was technically sound and tough enough to beat Tyson at any point in Tyson’s career.
Do you own Properties what ? Are you just a Troll of this site. A Vulture crowding every written line looking for a typographic error? Arc you come with more Bullshit than anyone because you work here. You see most new people who visit this site don't realize that BBI is in the business of Advertising. Its a business of keeping thread levels down because of the cost vs the advertising that's paid for at the top of the page, and on the side of the page. That's what clowns like Fatman and Dunk are for to discourage money paid out vs the cash coming in. This theory has to be true in some capacity. About some of the advertising, by the way is good and targeted to the average person. Not many Maserati advertisements.
Again I'm the Star. I think the last gentleman to comment was possibly correct in saying Holyfield had a good chin
but, he would have ran into a world wind. Holyfield had style similar to Frank Bruno.
Holyfield began his professional career less than 4 months before Tyson did. He weighed 177 lbs. Tyson weighed 214.
As has been pointed out several times, Holyfield was scheduled to fight Tyson in 1990 (then Tyson lost his title). Then it was rescheduled for November 1991, before Tyson got injured and dropped out. Then he went to jail for a few years. Got out in 1995, finally fought Holyfield in November 1996.
Not a single word of this paragraph is accurate. Not only are your personal assertions off-base (as usual), but you also demonstrate a pretty severe lack of understanding for how digital marketing and ad networks function.
Keep telling yourself that you're the star though. That's much more productive than trying to produce a cogent thought.
Such is the average Mobster post. I'm not even sure what his insults mean? Dunk and I don't have driving licences? We don't work in the USA?
Ummm.. OK
The premise of the thread was the fact that Holyfield started his boxing career years before Tyson turned Pro.
The fact that Tyson Unified all 3 titles and Holyfield could not find a way to make enough noise to fight Tyson through out Tyson's early boxing career in his 20's being the youngest Champion to ever acquire the Belts.
This is a span of approximately 15 years. No matter how you slice it, the belts were all unified and Holyfield only needed like 10 pounds to be a heavyweight and even while dosing up on Steroids did not enter into the picture. Tyson rose fast but was not a fighter of longevity, is All I'm saying. The great Muhammed Ali fought a guy named Bob Foster who was underweight but Foster gets credit for having the courage to test himself.
Not Holyfield
Yet again, you don't even read the posts in this thread except for the ones that mock you, which further reinforces that you're only here to troll. It's hard to understand what could possibly be enjoyable about that, but it takes all kinds I guess.
It has been pointed out to you numerous times that Holyfield and Tyson had a bout scheduled in 1990 but it was Tyson that lost the title, which then caused Holyfield to fight Douglas instead. After that it was Tyson who pulled out of Holyfield's title defense in 1991.
And it's only a handful of posts above yours that you were corrected on the timeline of Holyfield and Tyson's respective starts to their careers: they were less than four months apart.
Why are you so allergic to reality and facts? Holyfield never ducked Tyson.
What makes you an expert? You are wrong about my Giant fan interest.
This is my opinion, Holyfield somehow didn't show up to fight Tyson who fought once a month at one time, to fight.
they finally fought when they were boxing OLD. The fight was reminiscent to Tommy Hearns and Sugar Ray second fight. They we both after the heyday
Do you own Properties what ? Are you just a Troll of this site. A Vulture crowding every written line looking for a typographic error? Arc you come with more Bullshit than anyone because you work here. You see most new people who visit this site don't realize that BBI is in the business of Advertising. Its a business of keeping thread levels down because of the cost vs the advertising that's paid for at the top of the page, and on the side of the page. That's what clowns like Fatman and Dunk are for to discourage money paid out vs the cash coming in. This theory has to be true in some capacity. About some of the advertising, by the way is good and targeted to the average person. Not many Maserati advertisements.
Again I'm the Star. I think the last gentleman to comment was possibly correct in saying Holyfield had a good chin
but, he would have ran into a world wind. Holyfield had style similar to Frank Bruno.
I wouldn't consider English "one of my languages" of 80% of my sentences were grammatically incorrect.
"Do you own Properties what?"
What the fuck does this even mean?
Also, since when do I work here? I'm employed by Eric?
That's news to me!
You're a clown.
Derp.
I don't think he's a dupe/troll but I like to imagine he is.
That would be some fucking high art.
Eat some Turkey
I Love You guys Happy Thanksgiving!!!!!!
Love you also Mobby. Happy holidays ....whomever you really are.
Advise study up on Hagler v Hearns and Hagler v Leonard, if you want to see greats in their prime going at it.
Otherwise we are stuck in hypothetical land.