http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2017/11/how_giants_play-calling_is_better_and_worse_since.html
Short version: some good, some bad, mostly mixed results. On pace for a -136 point differential.
They include formations used and percentages of use too.
With whoever is calling the plays next year I'd like to have some of Petrino's route isolation's worked into the mix. Guys like Odell, Shepard and Engram are such mismatches but we never really scheme to get guys open. Even with all our wide receivers healthy, how often have we seen a guy just running wide open? It's just basic dagger and hi-low passing concepts.
OBJ was not hurt until game 5
Sheppard has played 1 game for Sully
I think Sully offense is way more dynamic
Our run game was dead last at week 5 now we are inching toward LOWER part of middle of pack .
Why didn’t someone ask Mac why he refused to try?
Disagree. A lot of Odell getting open is due to his route running skill. We don't really see any disguises that leave a guy wide open.
Shepard from the slot and over the middle is a mismatch.
But if you had a track star WR, then yeah you scheme to get him the ball on a WR screen because he might not be the best route runner or know how to beat coverage, but he can outrun the field.
It seems like everything McAdoo does is to get that slant open. Very little motion, and until recently, very few bunch formations.
But if you had a track star WR, then yeah you scheme to get him the ball on a WR screen because he might not be the best route runner or know how to beat coverage, but he can outrun the field.
Ben's scheme involving Odell is a lot like Melo. His play designs don't run other WR's off of Odell well and use him to get other guys open. It's a lot of isolation to Odell and if he's not open everyone else is sitting down at a spot.
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Guys like Odell, Shepard and Engram are such mismatches but we never really scheme to get guys open.
It seems like everything McAdoo does is to get that slant open. Very little motion, and until recently, very few bunch formations.
Right and it really is only effective when Odell gets upfield. Defenses know that's coming because the first read for nearly two years is 80% of the time the slant, dig or drag.
They got nothing else to write about. This season is such a disaster.
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I don't think a coach is thinking about playing games with plays to get him open. You would do that for limited players with a specific skill set, not a guy like Odell. You expect him to beat any corner.
But if you had a track star WR, then yeah you scheme to get him the ball on a WR screen because he might not be the best route runner or know how to beat coverage, but he can outrun the field.
Ben's scheme involving Odell is a lot like Melo. His play designs don't run other WR's off of Odell well and use him to get other guys open. It's a lot of isolation to Odell and if he's not open everyone else is sitting down at a spot.
His presence on the field is what gets other guys open. If opposing DCs want to play Odell straight up and take their chances, you would welcome that. Coverages roll towards Odell nearly all the time.
Regarding emphasizing the Slant route: If they can't stop it, what's the issue? Michael Irvin made his living and the Hall of Fame destroying teams on the slant route. He's the first one to tell you that. It's not a criticism. When you have a great talent, let him work.
OBJ was not hurt until game 5
Sheppard has played 1 game for Sully
I think Sully offense is way more dynamic
Our run game was dead last at week 5 now we are inching toward LOWER part of middle of pack .
Take it further, we lost Marshall and Sheppard in game with Chargers too. So we basically had a couple of games with NOBODY at WR.Also, our Oline became even more depleted and our defense started to really tank, thus putting the offense in a very difficult situation.
Funny that the defense started to tank right after that.
McAdoo was just a bad hire. He needs to go (along with Reese)
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I don't think a coach is thinking about playing games with plays to get him open. You would do that for limited players with a specific skill set, not a guy like Odell. You expect him to beat any corner.
But if you had a track star WR, then yeah you scheme to get him the ball on a WR screen because he might not be the best route runner or know how to beat coverage, but he can outrun the field.
Ben's scheme involving Odell is a lot like Melo. His play designs don't run other WR's off of Odell well and use him to get other guys open. It's a lot of isolation to Odell and if he's not open everyone else is sitting down at a spot.
His presence on the field is what gets other guys open. If opposing DCs want to play Odell straight up and take their chances, you would welcome that. Coverages roll towards Odell nearly all the time.
Regarding emphasizing the Slant route: If they can't stop it, what's the issue? Michael Irvin made his living and the Hall of Fame destroying teams on the slant route. He's the first one to tell you that. It's not a criticism. When you have a great talent, let him work.
Teams have stopped it though, that was the issue earlier in the year. Odell wasn't there to take that slant 20 yards or to the house and teams limited it short pickups or broke it up.
Yes, Odell's presence gets guys open but you haven't taken full advantage of it. It's fairly obvious to defenses when Odell is the first read on plays. They should start using stack and triangle lineups of the WR's more often and force teams into banjo coverage. Most NFL secondaries struggle. Make guys have to commit and make a decision on who they're picking up off the line, our route combinations the past two years have been too telegraphed and too obvious.
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In comment 13700201 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I don't think a coach is thinking about playing games with plays to get him open. You would do that for limited players with a specific skill set, not a guy like Odell. You expect him to beat any corner.
But if you had a track star WR, then yeah you scheme to get him the ball on a WR screen because he might not be the best route runner or know how to beat coverage, but he can outrun the field.
Ben's scheme involving Odell is a lot like Melo. His play designs don't run other WR's off of Odell well and use him to get other guys open. It's a lot of isolation to Odell and if he's not open everyone else is sitting down at a spot.
His presence on the field is what gets other guys open. If opposing DCs want to play Odell straight up and take their chances, you would welcome that. Coverages roll towards Odell nearly all the time.
Regarding emphasizing the Slant route: If they can't stop it, what's the issue? Michael Irvin made his living and the Hall of Fame destroying teams on the slant route. He's the first one to tell you that. It's not a criticism. When you have a great talent, let him work.
Teams have stopped it though, that was the issue earlier in the year. Odell wasn't there to take that slant 20 yards or to the house and teams limited it short pickups or broke it up.
Yes, Odell's presence gets guys open but you haven't taken full advantage of it. It's fairly obvious to defenses when Odell is the first read on plays. They should start using stack and triangle lineups of the WR's more often and force teams into banjo coverage. Most NFL secondaries struggle. Make guys have to commit and make a decision on who they're picking up off the line, our route combinations the past two years have been too telegraphed and too obvious.
Odell was playing hurt, I think that's pretty clear. The times he's legitimately been take out of games by defense are countable on one hand since 2014. I don't interpret what he did on the field in 2017 a result of teams suddenly figuring out how to play defense against him.