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| Students in a humanities class at Reed College blasted the inclusion of the ancient skit in their coursework, branding it a vile example of cultural appropriation — as they demanded that it be removed entirely. “That’s like somebody … making a song just littered with the n-word everywhere,” a member of Reedies Against Racism told the student newspaper, according to The Atlantic. The student called the performance, which includes African-Americans clad in faux ancient Egyptian attire, as racist. “The gold face of the saxophone dancer leaving its tomb is an exhibition of blackface,” the incensed student told The Atlantic. |
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In comment 13700372 GiantFilthy said:
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GF - apparently you are not familiar with the definition of a Baby Boomer. They would be the grandparents of these millenials...
Millenials go all the way back to 1982, so no, plenty of baby boomer parents of 80's kids.
Fair enough. A blend of Boomer and Gen X parents.
What I find amusing is the lumping of the entire generation of Boomers into some sort monolithic force that had the same experiences and benefits. All you have to do is look what the early Boomers (1946-1950) will have paid in and will get paid out from Social Security in comparison to what late Boomers (1960-1964) will to realize that that concept is a myth.
She's in her 50s now but still looks damned good.
Welllll, I didn't know you wanted to get involved in the discussion, Mr. Helper!
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GF - apparently you are not familiar with the definition of a Baby Boomer. They would be the grandparents of these millenials...
Year ranges for generations differ depending on the source, but Boomers are pretty universally defined as 1946-1964. The range for Millennials is is less universal, but 1982-1996 or so is the most common. So the majority of Millennials were born to Boomers.
Dat side glance.
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Who the eff cares? Trust me. No Egyptian Americans I know care. Hell, when the Bangles were singing that song in the 80s I wasn't offended either. Teasing got annoying but who cares. Besides, Susanna Hoffs was HAWWWT!
She's in her 50s now but still looks damned good.
Hoffs is 58. That can't be a very recent picture of her. If she looks like that knocking on 60's door, then she is really ridiculous.
Social mores change. If you were in college in the 80's like I was, you probably cringed at some older cultural pieces and how they treated African or Native Americans. That's what is happening here, we're just getting old!
That's all, have a good day!
You see this all the time. Someone makes an outrageous statement. He's associated with a certain population. That population is all crazy.
BTW - in fourth grade I always brought this 45 record in and was always chosen to be played!!!!!!!
It's meant to be funny and may pick on something sensitive........deal with it.
Apu was when the show started in the late 80s, really the only prominent Indian character on a mainstream North American TV show - and he came across as a buffoon who sold expired food and ripped off customers with his "thank you come again" heavily accented slogan. It led to some stereotypes of south Asians and in the case of the future surgeon general, Hasan Minhaj, he was bullied and taunted by other kids who called him Apu. Relative to other racial/ethnic minorities on the show, the stereotypes with Apu were especially pronounced.
Today, there is a broader representation of Indian-American actors in pop culture, but at the time, Apu was the only mainstream character.
WTF?
An immigrant, hard working self-employed business owner, good dad, good citizen, but that's a terrible stereotype?
I get the bodega/convenience store thing, but why is that bad? sometimes stereotypes are created based on actual commonalities among a group and aren't always bad.
As the article you posted highlights, there isn't so much a groundswell of backlash as there is a documentary coming out on TruTV by an Indian-American comic (Hari Kondabolu) who examines the Apu character. It seems that he wrestles with the idea that The Simpsons is his favorite show, but the Apu character hits the marks for minstrel characters, especially in the context that Apu was pretty much the only representation of Indians in entertainment for a long time. He interviews current Indian-Americans in entertainment and the effect that Apu has had on them growing up. It also interviews people affiliated with The Simpsons about the character as well.
I think it'll be an interesting documentary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGzvEqBvkP8 - ( New Window )
Here's a more balanced look at what's actually happening at Reed. As usual, it's a small group of agitators who dominate the conversation.
The Surprising Revolt at the Most Liberal College in the Country - ( New Window )
WTF?
An immigrant, hard working self-employed business owner, good dad, good citizen, but that's a terrible stereotype?
I get the bodega/convenience store thing, but why is that bad? sometimes stereotypes are created based on actual commonalities among a group and aren't always bad.
Apu was when the show started in the late 80s, really the only prominent Indian character on a mainstream North American TV show - and he came across as a buffoon who sold expired food and ripped off customers with his "thank you come again" heavily accented slogan. It led to some stereotypes of south Asians and in the case of the future surgeon general, Hasan Minhaj, he was bullied and taunted by other kids who called him Apu. Relative to other racial/ethnic minorities on the show, the stereotypes with Apu were especially pronounced.
Today, there is a broader representation of Indian-American actors in pop culture, but at the time, Apu was the only mainstream character.
God, I hope no one finds out about Short Circuit...
Some college class discussion at a liberal college in portland is in no way a barometer on how the country is.
I'm still laughing and need to check out more classic 70's/80's SNL skits on YouTube.
Here's a more balanced look at what's actually happening at Reed. As usual, it's a small group of agitators who dominate the conversation. The Surprising Revolt at the Most Liberal College in the Country - ( New Window )
Actually that article is more concerning than protesting King Tut. You have a group of students disrupting classes with impunity. Or as the author, and this is The Atlantic not Breibart, wrote
And Middlebury Lite, they confronted and created health problems for a lecturer who they knew suffered from PTSD. How are those thugs still in school?
And Middlebury Lite, they confronted and created health problems for a lecturer who they knew suffered from PTSD. How are those thugs still in school?
(a) Rich parents
(b) Ethnic quota
(c) No one gives a crap about humanities
God, I hope no one finds out about Short Circuit...
Two Wild and Crazy Guys - ( New Window )
"what the hell is wrong with you!"
"what the hell is wrong with you!"
HATE CRIME!
Becoming Idocracy? We are there. Just didn't take 500 years.
If it was up to these pussies .... we would all be speaking German right now.
Some college class discussion at a liberal college in portland is in no way a barometer on how the country is.
My older son goes to NYU. He’s middle
Of the road libertarian. This is by no means some small solitary type of reaction.
I hear you.
I loved the name of his group--The Toot Uncommons.
Here's a quiz, kiddies:
1) what is the difference between ancient cultural appropriation and archaeology?
2) Is it better to know absolutely nothing about ancient civilizations (and what happened before them) than to risk cultural appropriation?
3) Can one fight for civil rights and still have a sense of humor?
WTF?
An immigrant, hard working self-employed business owner, good dad, good citizen, but that's a terrible stereotype?
I get the bodega/convenience store thing, but why is that bad? sometimes stereotypes are created based on actual commonalities among a group and aren't always bad.
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was that it was that the joke was a statement about the commercialization of Tut and his traveling exhibition...
Context is irrelevant when people are offended.
As is woefully evident in this thread.
It’s a shame that anyone has given these particular fuckwits the time of day. There’s probably a gray area somewhere where an interesting debate can take place about whether people should be even remotely offended by something. Far be it from me to decide where exactly that gray area lies, but the fact that this specific incident isnt considered to be clearly on the “not harmful” side is what’s lamentable to me.
These are upper classmen, er classpeople, disrupting a freshman course.
True .... maybe they should teach the truth about how N.A. and Mexico was stolen from the native people of the lands using genocide and war vs the fairly tale currently taught. Then go into how religion has been used as a tool by zealots and people only out for personal control, gain and wealth vs trying to paint the Muslim faith as something evil.
Japanese interment camps, US terrorist acts on US citizens .... yeah teaching the real truth would be ideal ...
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for their Apu character being too much of a negative stereotype.
WTF?
An immigrant, hard working self-employed business owner, good dad, good citizen, but that's a terrible stereotype?
I get the bodega/convenience store thing, but why is that bad? sometimes stereotypes are created based on actual commonalities among a group and aren't always bad.
Is it really backlash?I know there is an Indian comedian who has a film out about why Apu is bad. He does it as a documentary and interviews other Indian actors and comedians. I think it is done very tongue in cheek.
Did you read the link, it's not tongue and cheek.
and for the overreacting self-loathing middle-aged white men on here calling out other middle aged white men for being hypocritical with their outrage, I'm not outraged - not many more overused words these days than outrage - simply surprised and even a little saddened.
you can't comment on anything anymore without being outraged.
tangentially related, Brooklyn college is taking steps to remove NYPD from being on campus, using bathrooms and policing because their mere appearance triggers students and "makes safe spaces seem not so safe". Incidents like this are not as isolated or rare as some think and commenting on them with an opposing opinion is not outrage. It's discussion and how society works.
They'd all curl up in the fetal position until someone took them to their safe space. The sad part is somewhere, a wealthy parent is paying for this shit, only to have these losers ending up in the basement.
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for their Apu character being too much of a negative stereotype.
WTF?
An immigrant, hard working self-employed business owner, good dad, good citizen, but that's a terrible stereotype?
I get the bodega/convenience store thing, but why is that bad? sometimes stereotypes are created based on actual commonalities among a group and aren't always bad.
Is it really backlash?I know there is an Indian comedian who has a film out about why Apu is bad. He does it as a documentary and interviews other Indian actors and comedians. I think it is done very tongue in cheek.
Did you read the link, it's not tongue and cheek.
and for the overreacting self-loathing middle-aged white men on here calling out other middle aged white men for being hypocritical with their outrage, I'm not outraged - not many more overused words these days than outrage - simply surprised and even a little saddened.
you can't comment on anything anymore without being outraged.
tangentially related, Brooklyn college is taking steps to remove NYPD from being on campus, using bathrooms and policing because their mere appearance triggers students and "makes safe spaces seem not so safe". Incidents like this are not as isolated or rare as some think and commenting on them with an opposing opinion is not outrage. It's discussion and how society works.
criticism.
As for your other comment, I didn't criticize anyone about being outraged.
I read the Brooklyn college story yesterday. I thought it was very strange. How does a police officer using the restroom on campus make you feel unsafe? It seems like a very misguided form of protest.
Personally, I would be very proud if one or both of my kids volunteered. Damn right I would.
That said, the baby momma probably signed up to say 'no visits'...and there is not a
-damn- thing I can do about it.
There have been any number of fairly extreme and one sided partisan communications from the schools. As an independent voter I would appreciate more objectivity or more focus on the process of civic discourse rarher than the granted assumption that we are all on a percieved "side".
But. Would I raise my voice? Hell no. Anything less than abject demonstrations of hate for the current leadership ees flatly verboten.
Who is oppressing whom here.
Smug, self-satisfied, petty, angry, incurious and dismissive of most thoughts that they hadn't held for decades.
I never thought it would happen to us!
The people saying this is some outlernare ignorant or intellectually dishonest