Some interesting film and breakdowns on the Giants offensive line play this past week. The O line gave Eli time to make his reads and some good throws. Interesting stat is that Eli dropped back 35 times and was hit once all afternoon, according to Baldinger.
The link to his twitter account is posted, where the videos/breakdowns can be found.
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Been with the organization since 1994 & contributed towards 2 SB titles? Does that count?
Singing, but signing
I recall in preseason interview that he surfs a lot and does yoga. You can see how that helps his balance.
He was 1st team ALL AMERICA (Campus Insiders) in 2016, so he does have proven talent competing against PAC-12 teams.
Now he needs to get NFL strong and more experience.
Interesting comment about Flowers though. We all hate it when he drops his hands and leads with his head, but maybe his problem is that he's trying to do something unnatural. Perhaps as Baldy points out, as long as he ends up with his hands inside, feet set, locked out against the DE and can control his man he's okay.
Either way, it's clear that after all this time, the coaching that he should keep his hands and head up, lead with the punch first in a traditional pass set, isn't working. He may never be able to consistently do that, so as Baldy alludes - perhaps the coaching should change to just encourage him to do it using his own style.
Can't believe I'm writing that. Methinks a better DE would have a field day with a LT who leads with his head. I'm going to watch this closely the rest of the year - will give me something to review games for anyway.
Reese should get all of the credit, hands down.
If Pugh and Hart hadn't got hurt, Fluker and Wheeler wouldn't have got a shot.
McAddo would have played the old "Consistency Card" all the way to a 1-15 record. Now Fluker's hurt, that's a real shame, he's a very good on-the-field teacher for Wheeler.
Looking at next year, #1 priority is Center; Richburg is a flop.
For all the griping you guys do about officiating, we got away with two right there.
There were guys to get. Castoffs that nobody thought much of. Which is exactly what the Vikings paid for with guys like Remmers.
The argument this offseason should be not going after an old but good player like Whitworth, not wildly overpaying for guys with bad track records then playing the hindsight game when they get a decent line out of it.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile - cautiously optimistic about Wheeler but it is only 1 game.
If Pugh and Hart hadn't got hurt, Fluker and Wheeler wouldn't have got a shot.
McAddo would have played the old "Consistency Card" all the way to a 1-15 record. Now Fluker's hurt, that's a real shame, he's a very good on-the-field teacher for Wheeler.
Looking at next year, #1 priority is Center; Richburg is a flop.
For all the griping you guys do about officiating, we got away with two right there.
You do realize that the refs could call holding on just about every single play, right? Every OL does it. Its about being smart about it, and getting your hands inside.
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told us there were no OL out there to get this off season. Meanwhile the Vikings signed five starting OL and look at them now. Reese needs to go
There were guys to get. Castoffs that nobody thought much of. Which is exactly what the Vikings paid for with guys like Remmers.
The argument this offseason should be not going after an old but good player like Whitworth, not wildly overpaying for guys with bad track records then playing the hindsight game when they get a decent line out of it.
Accorsi did a great job signing offensive line castoffs: O'Hara, Glenn Parker, Zeigler, Lomas Brown, Kareem McKenzie to name a few.
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Mr. #9 pick is holding his man, which Baldinger says he is, and it's a lb that Mr #9 outweighs by 80 lb. He's moved from "sucks" to "not quite sucks." The UDFA is "mauling" his man by holding him while the RB gets a whole 2 yards. BFD.
For all the griping you guys do about officiating, we got away with two right there.
You do realize that the refs could call holding on just about every single play, right? Every OL does it. Its about being smart about it, and getting your hands inside.
Definitely a hold and it could be argued that the DT being held could have made the play if he wasn't being held. That seems to influence when the umpire throws the holding flag.
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Can you clarify please?
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Been with the organization since 1994 & contributed towards 2 SB titles? Does that count?
Here are all of Reese's picks from when he became GM. In case you don't want to go through them all, they are pretty bad...
2007 1 Aaron Ross
2007 2 Steve Smith
2007 3 Jay Alford
2007 4 Zak DeOssie
2007 5 Kevin Boss
2007 6 Adam Koets
2007 7 Michael Johnson
2007 7 Ahmad Bradshaw
2008 1 Kenny Phillips
2008 2 Terrell Thomas
2008 3 Mario Manningham
2008 4 Bryan Kehl
2008 5 Jonathan Goff
2008 6 Andre Woodson
2008 6 Robert Henderson
2009 1 Hakeem Nicks
2009 2 Clint Sintim
2009 2 Will Beatty
2009 3 Ramses Barden
2009 3 Travis Beckum
2009 4 Andre Brown
2009 5 Rhett Bomar
2009 6 DeAndre Wright
2009 7 Stoney Woodson
2010 1 Jason Pierre-Paul
2010 2 Linval Joseph
2010 3 Chad Jones
2010 4 Phillip Dillard
2010 5 Mitch Petrus
2010 6 Adrian Tracy
2010 7 Matt Dodge
2011 1 Prince Amukamara
2011 2 Marvin Austin
2011 3 Jerrel Jernigan
2011 4 James Brewer
2011 6 Greg Jones
2011 6 Tyler Sash
2011 6 Jacquian Williams
2011 7 Da'Rel Scott
2012 1 David Wilson
2012 2 Rueben Randle
2012 3 Jayron Hosley
2012 4 Adrien Robinson
2012 4 Brandon Mosley
2012 6 Matt McCants
2012 7 Markus Kuhn
2013 1 Justin Pugh
2013 2 Johnathan Hankins
2013 3 Damontre Moore
2013 4 Ryan Nassib
2013 5 Cooper Taylor
2013 7 Eric Herman
2013 7 Michael Cox
2014 1 Odell Beckham
2014 2 Weston Richburg
2014 3 Jay Bromley
2014 4 Andre Williams
2014 5 Nat Berhe
2014 5 Devon Kennard
2014 6 Bennett Jackson
2015 1 Ereck Flowers
2015 2 Landon Collins
2015 3 Owamagbe Odighizuwa
2015 5 Mykkele Thompson
2015 6 Geremy Davis
2015 7 Bobby Hart
2016 1 Eli Apple
2016 2 Sterling Shepard
2016 3 Darian Thompson
2016 4 B.J. Goodson
2016 5 Paul Perkins
2016 6 Jerell Adams
2017 1 Evan Engram
2017 2 Dalvin Tomlinson
2017 3 Davis Webb
2017 4 Wayne Gallman
2017 5 Avery Moss
2017 6 Adam Bisnowaty
Flowers really has two major flaws that if corrected can turn him into an excellent tackle. That dip of the head out of his stance and his hand placement. When he's inside a guys shoulder pads and locked out he's very good. He's just inconsistent in both those areas.
not playing fluker as a starting point... terrible idea
team could not run because of the OL choices... and the QB is immobile... so teams could just tee off on us.
we also were doing things like play action on 2nd and 12... and other nonsense.
so the scheme/coaching has improved a bit and we have players in better spots to allow the team to succeed.
the OL needs to add 1 stud via 1st round pick or FA... and we have 4 other players that would put together a solid OL.
Tra-la-la.
the OL needs to add 1 stud via 1st round pick or FA... and we have 4 other players that would put together a solid OL.
Completely agree. 1 OL via high draft or talented FA paired with the best 4-5 guys we have, will make this a solid OL.
Reese should get all of the credit, hands down.
Haha don't say that too loud!
Flowers really has two major flaws that if corrected can turn him into an excellent tackle. That dip of the head out of his stance and his hand placement. When he's inside a guys shoulder pads and locked out he's very good. He's just inconsistent in both those areas.
Do you guys ever get tired of puffing up prospects? Herman, Bisnowaty, Hart etc etc etc etc these guys are all budding stars until cold reality sets in 2 or 3 years down the road. Wheeler was passed on by 32 teams for 6 rounds. We, who have not found a decent UDFA since Victor Cruz sign him and he's now "manhandling" veterans. Hopefully they get him out of there before other teams have some film on him, learn his weaknesses and kick his ass all over the field.
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Not when he was initially signed from the Jets.
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Kareem McKenzie was not a castoff.He was one of the highest paid offensive tackles in the NFL.
Not when he was initially signed from the Jets.
For all the griping you guys do about officiating, we got away with two right there.
There’s holding on almost every play in the NFL, but it’s all a matter of how to do it without the refs calling it.
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The argument this offseason should be not going after an old but good player like Whitworth, not wildly overpaying for guys with bad track records then playing the hindsight game when they get a decent line out of it.
Can you clarify please?
There was a very legitimate discussion this offseason whether the Giants should have gone after Andrew Whitworth. Very good, highly regarded tackle. 36 years old.
In this thread, someone mentioned the Vikings signing a bunch of free agent linemen and now having a good line. The players they signed for a lot of money are players who have bounced around the league for a handful of teams, coming off mediocre individual seasons. I'm contending it's a bad point to make that the Giants should have known to sign such players.
Regardless, I still feel Accorsi did a good job signing offensive linemen that contributed and were not embarrassments. Accorsi could build an offensive line; Reese can't.
Grey Ruegamer was another guy that comes to mind. He was a very solid backup that started games for the Giants during their 2007 Super Bowl run.
I don't get it. Did someone suggest he was a castoff?
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The argument this offseason should be not going after an old but good player like Whitworth, not wildly overpaying for guys with bad track records then playing the hindsight game when they get a decent line out of it.
Can you clarify please?
There was a very legitimate discussion this offseason whether the Giants should have gone after Andrew Whitworth. Very good, highly regarded tackle. 36 years old.
In this thread, someone mentioned the Vikings signing a bunch of free agent linemen and now having a good line. The players they signed for a lot of money are players who have bounced around the league for a handful of teams, coming off mediocre individual seasons. I'm contending it's a bad point to make that the Giants should have known to sign such players.
Ok, I understand now. Agreed, hind-sight is 20-20. Two things:
1. I really think Reese wanted them to play the guys they had. He wanted to see if they could do it. I really believe that.
2. One of the points I was trying to make is Accorsi did a great job signing offensive linemen that no one wanted and were relatively cheap (except McKenzie). But the guys he signed were all productive. Glenn Parker (KC) and Lomas Brown (DET), for example, were at the end of their careers. No one wanted them. But they came in a played well; they contributed. And they didn't break the bank doing it.
Signing expensive free agents that can come in and produce ... anyone can do that. You and I can do that.
Maybe times are different now then they were ten years ago. Maybe offensive linemen are more expensive now because there are fewer of them. But I doubt it. I still think if you know what to look for you can find productive offensive linemen that won't cost an arm-and-a-leg.
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Kareem McKenzie was not a castoff.He was one of the highest paid offensive tackles in the NFL.
I don't get it. Did someone suggest he was a castoff?
I did at 3:18pm. I was incorrect.
It’s a shame that Fluker is out now with a toe injury because I really think he worked well with Wheeler. Right side was less of a liability last Sunday.
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