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Brian Baldinger breaks down Giants Offensive Line

BigBlueHens : 11/21/2017 1:50 pm
Some interesting film and breakdowns on the Giants offensive line play this past week. The O line gave Eli time to make his reads and some good throws. Interesting stat is that Eli dropped back 35 times and was hit once all afternoon, according to Baldinger.

The link to his twitter account is posted, where the videos/breakdowns can be found.
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Reese has not been perfect but the Giants would be fools to can him...  
Dry Lightning : 11/21/2017 7:50 pm : link
The players are here. Same players went 11-5. It is the coaches fault for not having the vision to make changes. Brett Jones can play. Fluker should have been put in immediately. Some poor decisions there. In defense of BM, it is hard to make big changes coming of 11-5, but the line was putrid from the preseason well into the schedule. Changes were screaming to be made and he would not do it. Might cost him his job. Lest we forget, young coaches make mistakes. Bill Parcells picking Scott Brunner over Phil Simms comes to mind.
RE: Homer Jones45  
HomerJones45 : 11/21/2017 7:51 pm : link
In comment 13700788 Marty866b said:
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Wheeler was passed over in the draft mainly for off the field issues. I believe he would have been a middle round pick without the issues. He started at left tackle for USC for 3 years and was all conference with good measurables.
of course he was! Another Jerry Reese fire sale special. Just like Nassib, Austen, Moore etc etc etc.

RE: Reese has not been perfect but the Giants would be fools to can him...  
HomerJones45 : 11/21/2017 7:57 pm : link
In comment 13700870 Dry Lightning said:
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The players are here. Same players went 11-5. It is the coaches fault for not having the vision to make changes. Brett Jones can play. Fluker should have been put in immediately. Some poor decisions there. In defense of BM, it is hard to make big changes coming of 11-5, but the line was putrid from the preseason well into the schedule. Changes were screaming to be made and he would not do it. Might cost him his job. Lest we forget, young coaches make mistakes. Bill Parcells picking Scott Brunner over Phil Simms comes to mind.
go
Ahead. Fuck around some more with Jerry Reach. Make excuses for his failure. Waste another two or three years before you get someone in here who knows wtf they are doing

Don't be fooled. Teams with talent aren't 2-8 at this stage. Don't let last year be 1970.
RE: Reese has not been perfect but the Giants would be fools to can him...  
jbeintherockies : 11/21/2017 8:09 pm : link
In comment 13700870 Dry Lightning said:
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The players are here. Same players went 11-5. It is the coaches fault for not having the vision to make changes. Brett Jones can play. Fluker should have been put in immediately. Some poor decisions there. In defense of BM, it is hard to make big changes coming of 11-5, but the line was putrid from the preseason well into the schedule. Changes were screaming to be made and he would not do it. Might cost him his job. Lest we forget, young coaches make mistakes. Bill Parcells picking Scott Brunner over Phil Simms comes to mind.

Who hired McAdoo?
Why should Fluker have been put in immediately  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/21/2017 8:56 pm : link
When he couldn't beat out John Jerry or Bobby Hart in camp or preseason?
RE: RE: Reese has not been perfect but the Giants would be fools to can him...  
blueblood : 11/21/2017 9:17 pm : link
In comment 13700889 jbeintherockies said:
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In comment 13700870 Dry Lightning said:


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The players are here. Same players went 11-5. It is the coaches fault for not having the vision to make changes. Brett Jones can play. Fluker should have been put in immediately. Some poor decisions there. In defense of BM, it is hard to make big changes coming of 11-5, but the line was putrid from the preseason well into the schedule. Changes were screaming to be made and he would not do it. Might cost him his job. Lest we forget, young coaches make mistakes. Bill Parcells picking Scott Brunner over Phil Simms comes to mind.


Who hired McAdoo?


The Maras hire the head coach. Thats pretty much the way it has worked on the Giants.
RE: There’s some pretty good analysis  
Ira : 11/21/2017 10:09 pm : link
In comment 13700837 Simms11 said:
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in here on Wheeler, Flowers and Fluker.

It’s a shame that Fluker is out now with a toe injury because I really think he worked well with Wheeler. Right side was less of a liability last Sunday. Link - ( New Window )


Thanks for the link. That's definitely a must see.
It’s becoming pretty clear to me  
bigbluehoya : 11/21/2017 10:21 pm : link
That letting Richburg walk is a no-brainer. I’m also starting to think that they’re better off letting Pugh walk rather than pay top of the market UFA dollars. He’s seems to be a talented, versatile player and a hard worker, but to me not a difference maker to the tune of $10M+/year.
RE: Why should Fluker have been put in immediately  
SHO'NUFF : 11/22/2017 12:44 am : link
In comment 13700917 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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When he couldn't beat out John Jerry or Bobby Hart in camp or preseason?


You really trust the ability of the coaching staff to properly evaluate anybody at this point? 2 guys that are seeing playing time now only due to injury are playing better than the incumbents. If no injuries, no playing time. See how that works?
The line played better but don't let that lull you into thinking  
Brown Recluse : 11/22/2017 7:07 am : link
it still doesn't need a great deal of attention this coming offseason.

RE: Lots of good to see with this OL...  
Bramton1 : 11/22/2017 7:31 am : link
In comment 13700501 Dan in the Springs said:
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in the Chiefs game.

Interesting comment about Flowers though. We all hate it when he drops his hands and leads with his head, but maybe his problem is that he's trying to do something unnatural. Perhaps as Baldy points out, as long as he ends up with his hands inside, feet set, locked out against the DE and can control his man he's okay.

Either way, it's clear that after all this time, the coaching that he should keep his hands and head up, lead with the punch first in a traditional pass set, isn't working. He may never be able to consistently do that, so as Baldy alludes - perhaps the coaching should change to just encourage him to do it using his own style.

Can't believe I'm writing that. Methinks a better DE would have a field day with a LT who leads with his head. I'm going to watch this closely the rest of the year - will give me something to review games for anyway.


Apparently, there is a term among some football linemen in some circles, where a guy who leads with his head is called a Giuseppe, because he'll eventually end up on his knees.
This is very brutal...  
M.S. : 11/22/2017 10:17 am : link
2011 1 Prince Amukamara
2011 2 Marvin Austin
2011 3 Jerrel Jernigan
2011 4 James Brewer
2011 6 Greg Jones
2011 6 Tyler Sash
2011 6 Jacquian Williams
2011 7 Da'Rel Scott

2012 1 David Wilson
2012 2 Rueben Randle
2012 3 Jayron Hosley
2012 4 Adrien Robinson
2012 4 Brandon Mosley
2012 6 Matt McCants
2012 7 Markus Kuhn
RE: RE: Why should Fluker have been put in immediately  
jbeintherockies : 11/22/2017 11:52 am : link
In comment 13701018 SHO'NUFF said:
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In comment 13700917 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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When he couldn't beat out John Jerry or Bobby Hart in camp or preseason?

You really trust the ability of the coaching staff to properly evaluate anybody at this point? 2 guys that are seeing playing time now only due to injury are playing better than the incumbents. If no injuries, no playing time. See how that works?


I think some of you are being a little ridiculous with your praise.

I don't think Jones has been that spectacular and Wheeler has played one game.

How did Bobby Hart look in his first start? Probably good. He went down hill from there.

As for Fluker, he first had to learn the playbook. That takes time. Maybe that is why you didn't see him as quickly as you would have liked.

RE: Why should Fluker have been put in immediately  
Jimmy Googs : 11/22/2017 12:04 pm : link
In comment 13700917 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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When he couldn't beat out John Jerry or Bobby Hart in camp or preseason?


Who says there was a competition that was taken seriously by these coaches?
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