But what exactly did they do? All I saw was in an article was the word Improprieties but didnt describe the nature of them
"Atlanta reportedly spent almost $17 million on illegal bonuses during the 2016 international signing period, a source told David O'Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution Tuesday."
Was placed on the permantly ineligible list. Wow, thats some scorched earth stuff right there. Guess they wanted to make sure that someone doesnt do this again.
Was placed on the permantly ineligible list. Wow, thats some scorched earth stuff right there. Guess they wanted to make sure that someone doesnt do this again.
Was placed on the permantly ineligible list. Wow, thats some scorched earth stuff right there. Guess they wanted to make sure that someone doesnt do this again.
Every team does it. Coppy treated everyone like shit though, so in the end he screwed himself and the Braves.
Was placed on the permantly ineligible list. Wow, thats some scorched earth stuff right there. Guess they wanted to make sure that someone doesnt do this again.
Every team does it. Coppy treated everyone like shit though, so in the end he screwed himself and the Braves.
Yes, I feel that the league came down way to hard on Atlanta. They clearly tried to make an example out of them. All 12 prospects can't sign for 2 weeks but I am sure teams have already begun tampering with them while the league will turn a blind eye.
You never want to be the first one caught for a crime
Just opens the door to be the 'example' for punishment and deterrence.
They weren't the first ones caught. The RedSox were caught a couple of years ago.
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Watching the Braves get punished for breaking the rules in Latin America a day after Badler drops his latest piece on which teams are linked to which 15 year olds for next July really is something.
he wrote about how executives around the league agreed that most teams do business in a similar way, but Atlanta is the one that got caught. Sucks for us.
he wrote about how executives around the league agreed that most teams do business in a similar way, but Atlanta is the one that got caught. Sucks for us.
We all know the league is aware of this but chose to keep their heads in the sand. This is why I feel Atlanta was hit way to hard. They should have taken away Maitan and Gutierrez which would have been harsh enough.
by most but another part of the equation (and partially why the league dropped the hammer as they did) was the Braves being caught offering under the table items to draft picks (Drew Water acknowledged he was offered a car) and the league realizes this could be pandoras box.
by most but another part of the equation (and partially why the league dropped the hammer as they did) was the Braves being caught offering under the table items to draft picks (Drew Water acknowledged he was offered a car) and the league realizes this could be pandoras box.
The league could have opened up a can of worms here. Several other prospects from other teams could come forward now in an attempt to try to get a second pay day. What bothers me is how come the players and agents/trainers of these kids weren't reprimanded for their actions? Instead of being punished these kids will be free to receive a second pay day in two weeks.
The Braves farm system is still among the league's best
But Atlanta has focused on drafting pitchers in the amateur draft while they find bats in the international drafts. Now that they lost all those players they are pretty thin in terms of offense. Luckily they already have SS Swanson, 2B Albies, 1B Freeman, CF Inciarte, and RF Acuna as their core moving forward. 3B Austin Riley has more pressure on him to succeed. They really don't have any candidates for LF in the minors as CF's Pache and Waters defensive ability would be wasted in left. Also Pache doesn't have the power to play in left.
being punished I agree with. 15-16 year old kids from (usually) poor situations, what do you expect them to do? Why should they care about the "rules"? Heck, Vlad Jr. comes from a very, very wealthy family and he had a verbal deal with the Blue Jays WELL before 7/2, we all know it happens. I suspect we don't see the Braves fighting this in any way because... at the end of the day there is ownership implication here.
I wonder if the league sent some type of memo in the not too distant past saying we know this shit is happening and we want it to stop?
like the NFL did with spygate and that's why the punishment is what is was.
Yeah except that the Patriots were the only one's doing what they were doing. If this happened to the Mets I am sure that your feelings would be different.
I wonder if the league sent some type of memo in the not too distant past saying we know this shit is happening and we want it to stop?
like the NFL did with spygate and that's why the punishment is what is was.
I certainly don't claim to know the ins and outs but from what I have learned from talking to a few people (keep in mind the league themselves hasn't fully divulged everything that happened). It was in part influenced by the growing discussion on the topic (Badler in particular has had a few pieces about the "illegal" deals, Law has been talking about it for a while), part because the Braves were caught red handed offering draft picks additional compensation, part because the Braves were especially brazen (usually you hear whispers of verbal deals a year or so early but Puason is 14!, and yeah everyone knows this stuff happens but the top player in his class already with a verbal deal this far in advance is unusual. The Braves would announce a bonus for X and then give most of that money from an "undeserving" player to another player in order to stay under the cap. 17 million isn't exactly chump change.
being punished I agree with. 15-16 year old kids from (usually) poor situations, what do you expect them to do? Why should they care about the "rules"? Heck, Vlad Jr. comes from a very, very wealthy family and he had a verbal deal with the Blue Jays WELL before 7/2, we all know it happens. I suspect we don't see the Braves fighting this in any way because... at the end of the day there is ownership implication here.
That's true about these kids. I went a little overboard there as I am pretty pissed off about this whole situation. The ownership did all that they could to correct the problem by firing Coppy, Blakeley, and Hart yet they were still hit hard by the league.
I wonder if the league sent some type of memo in the not too distant past saying we know this shit is happening and we want it to stop?
like the NFL did with spygate and that's why the punishment is what is was.
Yeah except that the Patriots were the only one's doing what they were doing. If this happened to the Mets I am sure that your feelings would be different.
If the Mets did this I'd absolutely be upset knowing that this kind of thing happens all over the league and yet the hammer was really, really dropped on the Braves. No denial from me. As I said, only thing I disagree with you with is punishing the kids or expecting them to do the right thing. Why would they?
being punished I agree with. 15-16 year old kids from (usually) poor situations, what do you expect them to do? Why should they care about the "rules"? Heck, Vlad Jr. comes from a very, very wealthy family and he had a verbal deal with the Blue Jays WELL before 7/2, we all know it happens. I suspect we don't see the Braves fighting this in any way because... at the end of the day there is ownership implication here.
That's true about these kids. I went a little overboard there as I am pretty pissed off about this whole situation. The ownership did all that they could to correct the problem by firing Coppy, Blakeley, and Hart yet they were still hit hard by the league.
I have to believe there is even more to the situation than we will ever know ie Coppolella forging documents, lying to the league when questioned etc. I mean it's well known "the leaders to sign...." is taken to mean verbal deal and yet nobody really questions it. I suspect Coppolella went above and beyond at every turn.
It is the severity of the punishment that bothers me. I felt that losing Maitan and Gutierrez, plus a huge fine, banned from signing Puason, and a 2 year ban would have been harsh but fair.
I wonder if the league sent some type of memo in the not too distant past saying we know this shit is happening and we want it to stop?
like the NFL did with spygate and that's why the punishment is what is was.
Yeah except that the Patriots were the only one's doing what they were doing. If this happened to the Mets I am sure that your feelings would be different.
Possibly, but if you believe coaches like Jimmy Johnson and others, all teams video taped the opposing teams sideline. only after the league memo and having a former assistant coach from your team coaching a rival made it easy to "catch" the Patriots.
And sure, I'd feel the same as you if the Mets were busted, but then I'd sound like a Patriots fan too.
And sure, I'd feel the same as you if the Mets were busted, but then I'd sound like a Patriots fan too.
You failed to mention that the Patriots fans felt that the Pats shouldn't have been punished. I haven't seen one Braves conclude that. Again it is the severity of it. Also once again the Patriots were the only team to ignore the league's warning. The Braves were not the only team guilty of these infractions even if the league did send a theoretical warning to every franchise.
what's the theory? that other teams videotaped opposing teams sidelines?
If so, I'm really not interested in dredging up spygate again, but no I live in NE and Pata fans all felt a punishment was justified, just too heavy (like you - because "all teams did it, only the Patriots got caught).
With deflategate, same shit, QB after QB came out and said they do the same thing the Patriots did. almost every Pats fan thought it was bullshit, but "a punishment" would have been fine, but felt the suspension was heavy on top of the draft pick loss, like you feel the Braves suspension was too heavy.
Anyway, when you and GF had commented "all teams do it" and felt the suspension was too much it reminded me of Pats fans.
It is possible MLB had a team caught red handed and decided to make an example of them to end this for all teams, but it's also possible there's a little more to it than we all know. The NFL I guess had reason to be heavy handed with the Patriots, they won all the time, and the other owners felt like it was a good chance to "stick it to them".
braves haven't won in forever, what is MLB's motive to come down excessively hard on the Braves?
what's the theory? that other teams videotaped opposing teams sidelines?
If so, I'm really not interested in dredging up spygate again, but no I live in NE and Pata fans all felt a punishment was justified, just too heavy (like you - because "all teams did it, only the Patriots got caught).
With deflategate, same shit, QB after QB came out and said they do the same thing the Patriots did. almost every Pats fan thought it was bullshit, but "a punishment" would have been fine, but felt the suspension was heavy on top of the draft pick loss, like you feel the Braves suspension was too heavy.
Anyway, when you and GF had commented "all teams do it" and felt the suspension was too much it reminded me of Pats fans.
It is possible MLB had a team caught red handed and decided to make an example of them to end this for all teams, but it's also possible there's a little more to it than we all know. The NFL I guess had reason to be heavy handed with the Patriots, they won all the time, and the other owners felt like it was a good chance to "stick it to them".
braves haven't won in forever, what is MLB's motive to come down excessively hard on the Braves?
what's the theory? that other teams videotaped opposing teams sidelines?
If so, I'm really not interested in dredging up spygate again, but no I live in NE and Pata fans all felt a punishment was justified, just too heavy (like you - because "all teams did it, only the Patriots got caught).
With deflategate, same shit, QB after QB came out and said they do the same thing the Patriots did. almost every Pats fan thought it was bullshit, but "a punishment" would have been fine, but felt the suspension was heavy on top of the draft pick loss, like you feel the Braves suspension was too heavy.
Anyway, when you and GF had commented "all teams do it" and felt the suspension was too much it reminded me of Pats fans.
It is possible MLB had a team caught red handed and decided to make an example of them to end this for all teams, but it's also possible there's a little more to it than we all know. The NFL I guess had reason to be heavy handed with the Patriots, they won all the time, and the other owners felt like it was a good chance to "stick it to them".
braves haven't won in forever, what is MLB's motive to come down excessively hard on the Braves?
No, not spygate I don't have any argument there. I was referring to you stating that the league sent a memo to teams in MLB. The league came down hard on the Braves to send a message without harming any of the big market teams. Of course they would be more willing to come punish a mid market team rather than a big market team like the Dodgers, Sox, Yankees, or Cubs.
what's the theory? that other teams videotaped opposing teams sidelines?
If so, I'm really not interested in dredging up spygate again, but no I live in NE and Pata fans all felt a punishment was justified, just too heavy (like you - because "all teams did it, only the Patriots got caught).
With deflategate, same shit, QB after QB came out and said they do the same thing the Patriots did. almost every Pats fan thought it was bullshit, but "a punishment" would have been fine, but felt the suspension was heavy on top of the draft pick loss, like you feel the Braves suspension was too heavy.
Anyway, when you and GF had commented "all teams do it" and felt the suspension was too much it reminded me of Pats fans.
It is possible MLB had a team caught red handed and decided to make an example of them to end this for all teams, but it's also possible there's a little more to it than we all know. The NFL I guess had reason to be heavy handed with the Patriots, they won all the time, and the other owners felt like it was a good chance to "stick it to them".
braves haven't won in forever, what is MLB's motive to come down excessively hard on the Braves?
Again my suggestion is more than fair punishment. Maitan was the biggest IFA prospect since Sano and Miguel Cabrera. Guiterrez was the top catching prospect that received the second largest bonus from Venezuela after Maitan. Maitan alone would have reportedly been in discussion for last years 1st overall pick in the amateur draft if he was eligible according to guys like Law. So how is the Patriots losing the final pick in the 1st round equivalent to that?
what's the theory? that other teams videotaped opposing teams sidelines?
If so, I'm really not interested in dredging up spygate again, but no I live in NE and Pata fans all felt a punishment was justified, just too heavy (like you - because "all teams did it, only the Patriots got caught).
With deflategate, same shit, QB after QB came out and said they do the same thing the Patriots did. almost every Pats fan thought it was bullshit, but "a punishment" would have been fine, but felt the suspension was heavy on top of the draft pick loss, like you feel the Braves suspension was too heavy.
Anyway, when you and GF had commented "all teams do it" and felt the suspension was too much it reminded me of Pats fans.
It is possible MLB had a team caught red handed and decided to make an example of them to end this for all teams, but it's also possible there's a little more to it than we all know. The NFL I guess had reason to be heavy handed with the Patriots, they won all the time, and the other owners felt like it was a good chance to "stick it to them".
braves haven't won in forever, what is MLB's motive to come down excessively hard on the Braves?
Again my suggestion is more than fair punishment. Maitan was the biggest IFA prospect since Sano and Miguel Cabrera. Guiterrez was the top catching prospect that received the second largest bonus from Venezuela after Maitan. Maitan alone would have reportedly been in discussion for last years 1st overall pick in the amateur draft if he was eligible according to guys like Law. So how is the Patriots losing the final pick in the 1st round equivalent to that?
You really cannot equate the NFL draft with MLB IFA signings. the NFL draft is really the most economically feasible way to build your team. We've seen time and time again, you cannot build your team through and studies have shown repeatedly that 1st round NFL picks are by a long shot more successful than any other round (common sense?).
anyway, I'm not comparing the punishments per se, simply the fans reactions.
And I'm not even saying if the punishment was commensurate with the crime, I honestly don't know the extent of what they did, if they were warned, if they in some pay put MLB in jeopardy of being liable for something, etc.
simply comparing the fan reactions, which sound similar to me, warranted in either case or not.
these kids are allowed to resign with the Braves. Didn't expect that. However there is a catch. They would have to wait until some time next year and not be allowed to take a second signing bonus. In other words, that ain't happening.
these kids are allowed to resign with the Braves. Didn't expect that. However there is a catch. They would have to wait until some time next year and not be allowed to take a second signing bonus. In other words, that ain't happening.
Yes they can sign with the Braves after June 1st but for zero bonus.
You really cannot equate the NFL draft with MLB IFA signings. the NFL draft is really the most economically feasible way to build your team. We've seen time and time again, you cannot build your team through and studies have shown repeatedly that 1st round NFL picks are by a long shot more successful than any other round (common sense?).
anyway, I'm not comparing the punishments per se, simply the fans reactions.
And I'm not even saying if the punishment was commensurate with the crime, I honestly don't know the extent of what they did, if they were warned, if they in some pay put MLB in jeopardy of being liable for something, etc.
simply comparing the fan reactions, which sound similar to me, warranted in either case or not.
PJ I get what you're saying but an organization like Atlanta can't contend with the big market teams on the FA market so the Braves are forced to build via the amateur draft and international scouting. Once Wren was fired and Hart and Coppy took over they rebuilt the Braves scouting and developing department bringing back some of the old scouts and personnel that helped them become a perennial contender. Since they knew that they couldn't outbid most teams in FA they decided to spend some more money on player development. Losing these young athletic players hurts teams like the Braves much more than it would a team like Boston, NY, etc. We aren't upset about being punished all fans knew it was coming and understood it.
is a top 10 national market. if they choose to act like a small market team it's because of lack of fan support (revenue) or by choice.
like the Mets in some regards.
but when you consider NY has two teams, CHI has two teams, LA has two teams, ATL should be able to compete with them having one team.
BOS and ATL are nearly identical in market size.
Atlanta also has arguably the worst TV contract in the league. That is what limits their budget. They will reportedly spend more soon once the rebuild is finished. I am not expecting them to spend like the Yankees or Dodgers but I am hoping they are willing to go in the 150 million dollar range. Having all this cheap young talent will certainly help them.
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"Atlanta reportedly spent almost $17 million on illegal bonuses during the 2016 international signing period, a source told David O'Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution Tuesday."
permantly = permanently
Every team does it. Coppy treated everyone like shit though, so in the end he screwed himself and the Braves.
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Was placed on the permantly ineligible list. Wow, thats some scorched earth stuff right there. Guess they wanted to make sure that someone doesnt do this again.
Every team does it. Coppy treated everyone like shit though, so in the end he screwed himself and the Braves.
Yes, I feel that the league came down way to hard on Atlanta. They clearly tried to make an example out of them. All 12 prospects can't sign for 2 weeks but I am sure teams have already begun tampering with them while the league will turn a blind eye.
They weren't the first ones caught. The RedSox were caught a couple of years ago.
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Watching the Braves get punished for breaking the rules in Latin America a day after Badler drops his latest piece on which teams are linked to which 15 year olds for next July really is something.
We all know the league is aware of this but chose to keep their heads in the sand. This is why I feel Atlanta was hit way to hard. They should have taken away Maitan and Gutierrez which would have been harsh enough.
The league could have opened up a can of worms here. Several other prospects from other teams could come forward now in an attempt to try to get a second pay day. What bothers me is how come the players and agents/trainers of these kids weren't reprimanded for their actions? Instead of being punished these kids will be free to receive a second pay day in two weeks.
I wonder if the league sent some type of memo in the not too distant past saying we know this shit is happening and we want it to stop?
like the NFL did with spygate and that's why the punishment is what is was.
I wonder if the league sent some type of memo in the not too distant past saying we know this shit is happening and we want it to stop?
like the NFL did with spygate and that's why the punishment is what is was.
Yeah except that the Patriots were the only one's doing what they were doing. If this happened to the Mets I am sure that your feelings would be different.
I wonder if the league sent some type of memo in the not too distant past saying we know this shit is happening and we want it to stop?
like the NFL did with spygate and that's why the punishment is what is was.
I wouldn't be surprised if the league did and the arrogrant Coppy completely ignored the warning.
I wonder if the league sent some type of memo in the not too distant past saying we know this shit is happening and we want it to stop?
like the NFL did with spygate and that's why the punishment is what is was.
I certainly don't claim to know the ins and outs but from what I have learned from talking to a few people (keep in mind the league themselves hasn't fully divulged everything that happened). It was in part influenced by the growing discussion on the topic (Badler in particular has had a few pieces about the "illegal" deals, Law has been talking about it for a while), part because the Braves were caught red handed offering draft picks additional compensation, part because the Braves were especially brazen (usually you hear whispers of verbal deals a year or so early but Puason is 14!, and yeah everyone knows this stuff happens but the top player in his class already with a verbal deal this far in advance is unusual. The Braves would announce a bonus for X and then give most of that money from an "undeserving" player to another player in order to stay under the cap. 17 million isn't exactly chump change.
That's true about these kids. I went a little overboard there as I am pretty pissed off about this whole situation. The ownership did all that they could to correct the problem by firing Coppy, Blakeley, and Hart yet they were still hit hard by the league.
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a lot like Patriots fans.
I wonder if the league sent some type of memo in the not too distant past saying we know this shit is happening and we want it to stop?
like the NFL did with spygate and that's why the punishment is what is was.
Yeah except that the Patriots were the only one's doing what they were doing. If this happened to the Mets I am sure that your feelings would be different.
If the Mets did this I'd absolutely be upset knowing that this kind of thing happens all over the league and yet the hammer was really, really dropped on the Braves. No denial from me. As I said, only thing I disagree with you with is punishing the kids or expecting them to do the right thing. Why would they?
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being punished I agree with. 15-16 year old kids from (usually) poor situations, what do you expect them to do? Why should they care about the "rules"? Heck, Vlad Jr. comes from a very, very wealthy family and he had a verbal deal with the Blue Jays WELL before 7/2, we all know it happens. I suspect we don't see the Braves fighting this in any way because... at the end of the day there is ownership implication here.
That's true about these kids. I went a little overboard there as I am pretty pissed off about this whole situation. The ownership did all that they could to correct the problem by firing Coppy, Blakeley, and Hart yet they were still hit hard by the league.
I have to believe there is even more to the situation than we will ever know ie Coppolella forging documents, lying to the league when questioned etc. I mean it's well known "the leaders to sign...." is taken to mean verbal deal and yet nobody really questions it. I suspect Coppolella went above and beyond at every turn.
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a lot like Patriots fans.
I wonder if the league sent some type of memo in the not too distant past saying we know this shit is happening and we want it to stop?
like the NFL did with spygate and that's why the punishment is what is was.
Yeah except that the Patriots were the only one's doing what they were doing. If this happened to the Mets I am sure that your feelings would be different.
Possibly, but if you believe coaches like Jimmy Johnson and others, all teams video taped the opposing teams sideline. only after the league memo and having a former assistant coach from your team coaching a rival made it easy to "catch" the Patriots.
And sure, I'd feel the same as you if the Mets were busted, but then I'd sound like a Patriots fan too.
And sure, I'd feel the same as you if the Mets were busted, but then I'd sound like a Patriots fan too.
You failed to mention that the Patriots fans felt that the Pats shouldn't have been punished. I haven't seen one Braves conclude that. Again it is the severity of it. Also once again the Patriots were the only team to ignore the league's warning. The Braves were not the only team guilty of these infractions even if the league did send a theoretical warning to every franchise.
what's the theory? that other teams videotaped opposing teams sidelines?
If so, I'm really not interested in dredging up spygate again, but no I live in NE and Pata fans all felt a punishment was justified, just too heavy (like you - because "all teams did it, only the Patriots got caught).
With deflategate, same shit, QB after QB came out and said they do the same thing the Patriots did. almost every Pats fan thought it was bullshit, but "a punishment" would have been fine, but felt the suspension was heavy on top of the draft pick loss, like you feel the Braves suspension was too heavy.
Anyway, when you and GF had commented "all teams do it" and felt the suspension was too much it reminded me of Pats fans.
It is possible MLB had a team caught red handed and decided to make an example of them to end this for all teams, but it's also possible there's a little more to it than we all know. The NFL I guess had reason to be heavy handed with the Patriots, they won all the time, and the other owners felt like it was a good chance to "stick it to them".
braves haven't won in forever, what is MLB's motive to come down excessively hard on the Braves?
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You state a theory you have as a fact.
what's the theory? that other teams videotaped opposing teams sidelines?
If so, I'm really not interested in dredging up spygate again, but no I live in NE and Pata fans all felt a punishment was justified, just too heavy (like you - because "all teams did it, only the Patriots got caught).
With deflategate, same shit, QB after QB came out and said they do the same thing the Patriots did. almost every Pats fan thought it was bullshit, but "a punishment" would have been fine, but felt the suspension was heavy on top of the draft pick loss, like you feel the Braves suspension was too heavy.
Anyway, when you and GF had commented "all teams do it" and felt the suspension was too much it reminded me of Pats fans.
It is possible MLB had a team caught red handed and decided to make an example of them to end this for all teams, but it's also possible there's a little more to it than we all know. The NFL I guess had reason to be heavy handed with the Patriots, they won all the time, and the other owners felt like it was a good chance to "stick it to them".
braves haven't won in forever, what is MLB's motive to come down excessively hard on the Braves?
sorry, this:
Braves suspension
should be:
Braves punishment
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You state a theory you have as a fact.
what's the theory? that other teams videotaped opposing teams sidelines?
If so, I'm really not interested in dredging up spygate again, but no I live in NE and Pata fans all felt a punishment was justified, just too heavy (like you - because "all teams did it, only the Patriots got caught).
With deflategate, same shit, QB after QB came out and said they do the same thing the Patriots did. almost every Pats fan thought it was bullshit, but "a punishment" would have been fine, but felt the suspension was heavy on top of the draft pick loss, like you feel the Braves suspension was too heavy.
Anyway, when you and GF had commented "all teams do it" and felt the suspension was too much it reminded me of Pats fans.
It is possible MLB had a team caught red handed and decided to make an example of them to end this for all teams, but it's also possible there's a little more to it than we all know. The NFL I guess had reason to be heavy handed with the Patriots, they won all the time, and the other owners felt like it was a good chance to "stick it to them".
braves haven't won in forever, what is MLB's motive to come down excessively hard on the Braves?
No, not spygate I don't have any argument there. I was referring to you stating that the league sent a memo to teams in MLB. The league came down hard on the Braves to send a message without harming any of the big market teams. Of course they would be more willing to come punish a mid market team rather than a big market team like the Dodgers, Sox, Yankees, or Cubs.
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You state a theory you have as a fact.
what's the theory? that other teams videotaped opposing teams sidelines?
If so, I'm really not interested in dredging up spygate again, but no I live in NE and Pata fans all felt a punishment was justified, just too heavy (like you - because "all teams did it, only the Patriots got caught).
With deflategate, same shit, QB after QB came out and said they do the same thing the Patriots did. almost every Pats fan thought it was bullshit, but "a punishment" would have been fine, but felt the suspension was heavy on top of the draft pick loss, like you feel the Braves suspension was too heavy.
Anyway, when you and GF had commented "all teams do it" and felt the suspension was too much it reminded me of Pats fans.
It is possible MLB had a team caught red handed and decided to make an example of them to end this for all teams, but it's also possible there's a little more to it than we all know. The NFL I guess had reason to be heavy handed with the Patriots, they won all the time, and the other owners felt like it was a good chance to "stick it to them".
braves haven't won in forever, what is MLB's motive to come down excessively hard on the Braves?
Again my suggestion is more than fair punishment. Maitan was the biggest IFA prospect since Sano and Miguel Cabrera. Guiterrez was the top catching prospect that received the second largest bonus from Venezuela after Maitan. Maitan alone would have reportedly been in discussion for last years 1st overall pick in the amateur draft if he was eligible according to guys like Law. So how is the Patriots losing the final pick in the 1st round equivalent to that?
Stop it or...if you think THAT was heavy wait until
you see what we do to YOUR organization!!'.
Manfred himself said the punishment was not enough.
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You state a theory you have as a fact.
what's the theory? that other teams videotaped opposing teams sidelines?
If so, I'm really not interested in dredging up spygate again, but no I live in NE and Pata fans all felt a punishment was justified, just too heavy (like you - because "all teams did it, only the Patriots got caught).
With deflategate, same shit, QB after QB came out and said they do the same thing the Patriots did. almost every Pats fan thought it was bullshit, but "a punishment" would have been fine, but felt the suspension was heavy on top of the draft pick loss, like you feel the Braves suspension was too heavy.
Anyway, when you and GF had commented "all teams do it" and felt the suspension was too much it reminded me of Pats fans.
It is possible MLB had a team caught red handed and decided to make an example of them to end this for all teams, but it's also possible there's a little more to it than we all know. The NFL I guess had reason to be heavy handed with the Patriots, they won all the time, and the other owners felt like it was a good chance to "stick it to them".
braves haven't won in forever, what is MLB's motive to come down excessively hard on the Braves?
Again my suggestion is more than fair punishment. Maitan was the biggest IFA prospect since Sano and Miguel Cabrera. Guiterrez was the top catching prospect that received the second largest bonus from Venezuela after Maitan. Maitan alone would have reportedly been in discussion for last years 1st overall pick in the amateur draft if he was eligible according to guys like Law. So how is the Patriots losing the final pick in the 1st round equivalent to that?
You really cannot equate the NFL draft with MLB IFA signings. the NFL draft is really the most economically feasible way to build your team. We've seen time and time again, you cannot build your team through and studies have shown repeatedly that 1st round NFL picks are by a long shot more successful than any other round (common sense?).
anyway, I'm not comparing the punishments per se, simply the fans reactions.
And I'm not even saying if the punishment was commensurate with the crime, I honestly don't know the extent of what they did, if they were warned, if they in some pay put MLB in jeopardy of being liable for something, etc.
simply comparing the fan reactions, which sound similar to me, warranted in either case or not.
Yes they can sign with the Braves after June 1st but for zero bonus.
You really cannot equate the NFL draft with MLB IFA signings. the NFL draft is really the most economically feasible way to build your team. We've seen time and time again, you cannot build your team through and studies have shown repeatedly that 1st round NFL picks are by a long shot more successful than any other round (common sense?).
anyway, I'm not comparing the punishments per se, simply the fans reactions.
And I'm not even saying if the punishment was commensurate with the crime, I honestly don't know the extent of what they did, if they were warned, if they in some pay put MLB in jeopardy of being liable for something, etc.
simply comparing the fan reactions, which sound similar to me, warranted in either case or not.
PJ I get what you're saying but an organization like Atlanta can't contend with the big market teams on the FA market so the Braves are forced to build via the amateur draft and international scouting. Once Wren was fired and Hart and Coppy took over they rebuilt the Braves scouting and developing department bringing back some of the old scouts and personnel that helped them become a perennial contender. Since they knew that they couldn't outbid most teams in FA they decided to spend some more money on player development. Losing these young athletic players hurts teams like the Braves much more than it would a team like Boston, NY, etc. We aren't upset about being punished all fans knew it was coming and understood it.
like the Mets in some regards.
but when you consider NY has two teams, CHI has two teams, LA has two teams, ATL should be able to compete with them having one team.
BOS and ATL are nearly identical in market size.
Agree, but that's a choice, not a competitive limitation. that was my only point.
like the Mets in some regards.
but when you consider NY has two teams, CHI has two teams, LA has two teams, ATL should be able to compete with them having one team.
BOS and ATL are nearly identical in market size.
Atlanta also has arguably the worst TV contract in the league. That is what limits their budget. They will reportedly spend more soon once the rebuild is finished. I am not expecting them to spend like the Yankees or Dodgers but I am hoping they are willing to go in the 150 million dollar range. Having all this cheap young talent will certainly help them.
I miss those days. When they had a hole on the team they were willing to spend to fix it.