The KC game is literally the first game this year that the Giants team that everyone was expecting actually showed up -
it was a very similar win to last year's team .. opportunistic defense , mistake free offense - Eli being clutch at end.
Last year we did have OBJ and more dynamic passing game
but this year with Sully calling plays our run game is much better
(If Giants run for 100 yard tomorrow It will be first time since 2012 Giants have had four 100 yard running games in a row )
looking at the last 6 games - we could easily win 4 games
it could be even more games If Eagles have clinched division by our match .
Is there a number where either McAdoo or Reese saves their jobs ?
if we win out and go 8-8?
or is the die cast already ?
It will be a much more nuanced and wholistic review and will cover a lot of ground that is unknown to fans.
but do you really think that Giants would pull the trigger on letting Mcadoo and Resse go if Giants win out and end up with 8 - 8 record?
btw I personally think that we end up 4 - 12
The biggest mistake Mac and his coaches made was, from the first preseason game, they had tunnel vision, that this team would take off and play like last year(outside of the GB game), with the same players in place.......following the same path.....we had a FB and a blocking TE, which we did not utilize effectively in the running game, and for some strange reason, we did not use play action much in the first 5 games either, maybe because the OL stunk, and Perkins was not Perkins...
Solari screwed up with his assessment of the OL, not making changes, not experimenting in preseason....Perkins was not the same runner as last year, but the job was still given to him until he was hurt....Marshall was a huge mistake.....and Engram had his growing pains.....OBj was hurt, and this offense just did not click without him......
So yes, injuries did play a big part, even in the first 5 games.....but Mac is guilty of following the same course as last season, instead of making the necessary adjustments. He tried to force his players to be something they weren't, and run an offense that they did not excel at.....
While there were injuries, the coaching staff made the situation worse, by not putting these players in a position to win.....morale on this team steadily dropped, game by game......until, they hit rock bottom against a winless team....
The players are playing for themselves now......but this offense is not capable of scoring points.....there are too many weak links in this offense, that make it shoot itself in the foot, time after time.....the defense played like it's capable of last week.....whether they can continue to play at that level is a huge question mark.....
What a decent finish might do is save Reese's job. It would show that he did acquire talent which was just not used correctly by BM.
Hopefully they will not finish very strong. 6-10 or something like that would suck....and ruin the draft.
I believe the defense played for themselves.
Btw we scored 12 points in almost 5 quarters not a ringing endorsement for an offensive coach
None of the “improvements” are due to better coaching or smart moves by the GM. So I say they should be gone.
By the way, as I started to write this, I thought “yes things are looking up” then I realized that my outlook was way too hopeful.
is this a personnel issue or a coaching issue? do they can Reese or McAdoo but not both?
or is it an overall culture issue and they decide to start fresh with a blank page?
as much as I want that I can't envision it... as bad and dysfunctional as we are, the Maras are so slow to react. I think they pick one this year and let the other survive on a short lease.
i doubt we win more than 2 more games anyway... so I am not too worried about 8-8... but regardless I can't see this ownership blowing everything up at once.
Redskins have injuries but a potent offense and a defense that can attack. Raiders have a bad defense and WRs who can’t seem to catch, but our offense is much worse right now. Cowboys despite key losses still are better and more sound than us. Cardinals have a good defense to match up regardless of who plays QB for them. Skins game the end of the year will be more important for the Skins than us even if they’re eliminated already.
Four games? You are out of your mind. Eagles won’t take us lightly. They’ll want to embarrass us horribly regardless of whether they’ve clinched the division. They also want and need home field throughout the NFC so they have at least three more weeks before they could even consider taking the foot off the pedal anyway.
I predict 3-13.
As for Reese, he should have already been gone. He has consistently neglected specific positions on the team until they are so bad he has no choice but to address them with expensive FAs or high round draft picks (OL, LB, Safety, TE, RB).
This team and its fans deserve better.
It will buy them another year.
We have seen it before with Coughlin, gets meaningless wins
later in the season, saves his job. I mean, it took four straight years of not making the playoffs, to move on finally.
I wish I could say I trust Mara, but I really don't!
A lot here wanted Adam Gase, Todd Bowles, etc. Firing the GM/HC isn’t a given it will work. Oh, everyone couldn’t stand Accorsi either.
I’d want Mike Smith if a change is made.
Anything worse than 7-9 means that the team has posted double digit losses in three out of the last four seasons, which is hideous. At that point, Reese has to go and there's no sense in not letting the new GM pick his own coach.
I personally think the team is headed toward 3-13 at best, and I hope the owners are putting together a short list of new GMs because they'll need to hit the ground running as soon as the offseason starts.
A lot here wanted Adam Gase, Todd Bowles, etc. Firing the GM/HC isn’t a given it will work. Oh, everyone couldn’t stand Accorsi either.
I’d want Mike Smith if a change is made.
I didn't want TC fired after 2006, not 'everybody' felt that way. I did want him fired after 2013 though!
I guess I might have been right on that one, just saying.
I think you can pencil in Jones just because he is a RFA. The Giants aren't going to tender him at the 1st or 2nd round level, but they will extend a tender. While that doesn't stop him from being courted by other teams, we will have right of first refusal. If he does sign elsewhere despite the tender, we won't receive any draft pick compensation as he was not drafted but signed as a FA from the CFL.
OK. My guess:
Reese & Co. are likely 90% gone; oddly any 2 of: Wheeler andFluker playing well together... and EF playing at the the current level or better..the locker room being restored...and 4 wins with good performances against Philly/Dallas keeps Mc here. Especially the locker room and the OL improving.
Absolutely, they still only scored 9 points in reg., that's not gonna win ya many games.
Link - ( New Window )
Link - ( New Window )
If the team goes 8-8 with this depleted roster, and shows the toughness and fight they showed last week, McAdoo stays in the mix...
If the team goes 8-8 with this depleted roster, and shows the toughness and fight they showed last week, McAdoo stays in the mix...
God help us.
McAdoo should not be trusted to build this franchise or maintain it. He might be ok as a sort of caretaker, like he was in 2016. But the guy can't build a team. He can't identify talent. He's lost. I don't even have to conjure that mess of an offense he has presided over for 3-4 years now.
Please....I'm telling you this guy will wreck this franchise if he's here beyond this season. He's barely learning on the fly how to coach and mold a team. How long will this learning curve last? five years? No thanks.
I'm scared.
I'm scared.
Let me be clear, I'm not pro-McAdoo. I'm just trying to imagine what the thinking would be at Jints Central if they finish a 7 game run...They may think that's a reflection of McAdoo, how he kept the team in tact, how he kept them motivated, etc, etc...
So no change occurs.
Quote:
not this guy. We already went through this with Fassel except Fassel was even better than this guy.
I'm scared.
Let me be clear, I'm not pro-McAdoo. I'm just trying to imagine what the thinking would be at Jints Central if they finish a 7 game run...They may think that's a reflection of McAdoo, how he kept the team in tact, how he kept them motivated, etc, etc...
So no change occurs.
I hear you. That's my thinking as well. Observing this franchise for over 35 years I have learned that they are as pragmatic and patient as any franchise can possibly be. Sometimes to our benefit...sometimes not. In this case I think showing patience with Ben would not be a good thing.
One of the reasons why Accorsi's track record improved so was because Fassel was replaced by Coughlin. Coughlin, for all his flaws is a smart football mind. He knows how to build a team from the ground up. Fassel was never that kind of personality and it showed. Ernie and Fassel always seemed a day late and a dollar short. It would be even worse with Reese and Ben or Ben and any other GM working together. No. Just no. Please.
2. If not for an amazing performance by the defense last year, this team under his watch would be a disaster since 2012
3. The offensive struggles particularly on the offensive line have been something that he has been unable to fix since 2012. He had ONE draft pick that has masked the sub par talent level of our offense... ONE. Without OBJ, we are near the bottom of the league in offense.
4. McAdoo has done nothing for our offense since he came to the team as OC.
5. As a head coach, McAdoo is getting out coached by the opposition.
6. McAdoo cannot steer the ship during adversity. It is easy to stand up there and give a game winning speech.
7. Horrible decision making by McAdoo way too often. One of the most telling things is that he could not see that HE was part of the problem with the offense and was forced to give up the play calling.
Great article. Thanks.
If either one stays, this team will become a perennial bottom feeder like the Browns.
Mac would be gone at the end of the season regardless. He did not put the best players/combinations on the field until forced by injuries.
Gone.
Need to find a good GM who hires a HC with a new coaching staff. Mara needs to grow a pair and stop being so conservative.
ok now this is not true on the defensive side of the ball. He has drafted guys and dont forget bringing in Snacks and Vernon.
Quote:
Reese has neglected both lines since 2012.
ok now this is not true on the defensive side of the ball. He has drafted guys and dont forget bringing in Snacks and Vernon.
It's also not true on the offensive line. He has used two 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick (in addition to several late round picks and free agents) to try to reinforce the offensive line. Did he hit on all of his picks and signings? No, and that's definitely a concern. But the whole neglect narrative is false.
100% this