He has proven to be a capable GM as evidenced by the fact that he had a huge hand in two Sb winning teams within the past decade. Yes, even the 07 team who people try and dilute his credit for. Did he get dumb at an age well before anyone should be questioning a loss of faculties? Or is it the more logical explanation.....that the draft is a crap shoot prone to luck and variance and that if you do this long enough you will have some dry periods. What’s going on with Ozzie newsome in Baltimore recently? How did bill polian do at the end in Indy when the Manning injury showed us just how much number 18 was covering up for some down offseasons. A few years ago John elway is the toast of the nfl. Now what’s up?
Firing Reese would be dumb. We have someone who is still relatively young that has shown an eye for talent and displayed the ability to compose rosters that sit under confetti in February, and we aren’t far removed from it. Pulling the plug because of a down few years would just be silly
And again some of the disrespect shown for a guy (bum ass bum?) who has done so much for us is sickening. Especially given what he represents to a lot of people
It's dumb not to question a GM that has had drafted badly for 7 years, hasn't found one UDFA who can contribute since Cruz and had to be handed a check for 200 million in order to have a creditable defense. This past off-season, he had a team seriously lacking in speed on offense and added a slug tight end at a multi million dollar contract and a slug wideout with fork sticking out of his back to another multmillion dollar contract. He's a bad GM and should be gone.
Wheeler?
lets have Wheeler play a few games before we put him in Canton
he needs a year in an NFL weightroom and coaching, but he looks good
Especially given what he represents to a lot of people
You really need to stop with this race nonsense. People explained WHY this has nothing to do with race a million times and you continually bring it up. Nobody should be immune to criticism and it’s rather disappointing that you seem to think that Reese should be treated with kids gloves because he’s black. We get it. Many people look up to him and it’s great that he’s been able to possible open doors for other minorities. But that should have zero influence on how people feel about the job he’s done or whether the team decides to keep him or let him go.
It’s true Reese has his hands on the 11 team more than the 07 team, and it’s true accorsi deserves some credit for 07 too. But as I’m sure you realize, Reese didn’t just show up in 07. He was basically running Giants drafts for 4 years before that after being elevated to director of player personnel. He was being eased into being the next GM and the only reason it did not happen sooner is because the Giants had concerns that he wasn’t ready to be the public face (deal with the media etc), and they were probably right about that as he had his missteps early on (see how he handled petitgout in the media when pressed about his release). When it came to big picture decisions like the Eli deal the organization put their heads together and made those kinds of calls, but for the most part Reese was given free reign with the drafts for a few years before 07. This has been widely reported. And of course the 07 draft itself was one of the best one year impact drafts ever for a sb winner, even though it didn’t age out as an amazing haul
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How abt Giants Dan doesn’t want him fired. He has ignored the Oline and Linebacker position almost completely. I’ve never seen a GM do that before. I know tow first round picks Pugh and Flowers but both were out of desperation. Reese should be gone and Mcadoo right behind him.
It's a myth that Reese ignored the Oline. He has been drafting and signing free agents Olinemen for years. Don't confuse ineffective with ignoring. Since forever the Giants prefer to sign free agents Linebackers instead of drafting them in the top 3 rounds. Reese is a good GM and the team would be foolish to fire him.
Very true. he has not ignored the o-line. He has not been very good with the draft choices, FA signings and UDFA signings he has made to build it. I don't see where recognizing an issue and then not competently fixing that issue is any kind of pass.
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It’s true Reese has his hands on the 11 team more than the 07 team, and it’s true accorsi deserves some credit for 07 too. But as I’m sure you realize, Reese didn’t just show up in 07. He was basically running Giants drafts for 4 years before that after being elevated to director of player personnel. He was being eased into being the next GM and the only reason it did not happen sooner is because the Giants had concerns that he wasn’t ready to be the public face (deal with the media etc), and they were probably right about that as he had his missteps early on (see how he handled petitgout in the media when pressed about his release). When it came to big picture decisions like the Eli deal the organization put their heads together and made those kinds of calls, but for the most part Reese was given free reign with the drafts for a few years before 07. This has been widely reported. And of course the 07 draft itself was one of the best one year impact drafts ever for a sb winner, even though it didn’t age out as an amazing haul
Reese doesnt win in 2007 or 2011 with our Ernies pick of Manning
RE: So, Dave... Reese lost his mind in the last 6 years? Â
Or do you have no understanding of how luck and variance can impact draft success? Entering this year many people felt the Giants roster was worthy of Sb consideration on paper at least. Hasn’t worked out, injuries sure haven’t helped either... nor has a coach in over his head who I am skeptical would have been Reese’s top choice
Jerry Reese is a 54 year old man. Unless he has some really earl onset Alzheimer’s I’m gonna let his track record and the fact that someone else would hire him in 5 seconds speak more loudly than some fans lack of understanding for this process. There has never been a gm
Who has ever lived that has not had a down period if he did it long enough
I agree that his track record should speak for itself. That track record has been lousy for seven years now.
Ok. And that team doesn’t win in 07 without a bunch of factors Reese had his fingerprints all over as well. That entire roster outside of strahan and Toomer was basically acquired during the window when Reese became empowered
He's been GM for over 10 years, majority of those years - no playoffs.
Bad(mediocre ) drafts. His forte was supposedly able to pick hidden gems in late rounds.
Record over 10 years, at best .500+/-.
He had his run ... time to go.
I doubt the NFL will be knocking down his door with offers.
Ok. And that team doesn’t win in 07 without a bunch of factors Reese had his fingerprints all over as well. That entire roster outside of strahan and Toomer was basically acquired during the window when Reese became empowered
agree Reese 2007 was his best, but what about after?
It’s true Reese has his hands on the 11 team more than the 07 team, and it’s true accorsi deserves some credit for 07 too. But as I’m sure you realize, Reese didn’t just show up in 07. He was basically running Giants drafts for 4 years before that after being elevated to director of player personnel. He was being eased into being the next GM and the only reason it did not happen sooner is because the Giants had concerns that he wasn’t ready to be the public face (deal with the media etc), and they were probably right about that as he had his missteps early on (see how he handled petitgout in the media when pressed about his release). When it came to big picture decisions like the Eli deal the organization put their heads together and made those kinds of calls, but for the most part Reese was given free reign with the drafts for a few years before 07. This has been widely reported. And of course the 07 draft itself was one of the best one year impact drafts ever for a sb winner, even though it didn’t age out as an amazing haul
I agree with you that he was a great director of personnel.. when he could focus solely on drafts.. we were getting studs in later rounds.. Tuck, Jacobs, Gibril Wilson.. but I doubt JR would want to be demoted to that position so he can concentrate of just the draft and players.. GM has many responsibilities.. and as seen by his record over the past 6 years he sucks at the GM job..
It’s true Reese has his hands on the 11 team more than the 07 team, and it’s true accorsi deserves some credit for 07 too. But as I’m sure you realize, Reese didn’t just show up in 07. He was basically running Giants drafts for 4 years before that after being elevated to director of player personnel. He was being eased into being the next GM and the only reason it did not happen sooner is because the Giants had concerns that he wasn’t ready to be the public face (deal with the media etc), and they were probably right about that as he had his missteps early on (see how he handled petitgout in the media when pressed about his release). When it came to big picture decisions like the Eli deal the organization put their heads together and made those kinds of calls, but for the most part Reese was given free reign with the drafts for a few years before 07. This has been widely reported. And of course the 07 draft itself was one of the best one year impact drafts ever for a sb winner, even though it didn’t age out as an amazing haul
Reese doesnt win in 2007 or 2011 with our Ernies pick of Manning
Basically the top 15 players on the giants 2007 team came when Ernie was the GM..
If tyree doesn’t make the catch off his helmet? We can play the what if game all we want and alter a lot of legacies, that also goes for people that I’m sure you love more than Reese. What is Eli’s legacy if not for the tyree catch? Or the ball bouncing off the 49ers punt returner? Or a million other plays that were key in those runs. What is Coughlins legacy? Things played out the way they did, history is what it was. He played a key role in building 2 Sb winners. And within the last decade
Down stretch of late for sure. It happens in that position to everyone who is afforded the opportunity to do it long enough. Some gms are better than others and of course there is something to be said for having an eye for talent. But luck and variance also plays a big role. Anyone who tells you the draft is an exact science doesn’t know what they are talking about. A good GM can have a down run. At Reese’s age I have a tough time thinking he’s done
If tyree doesn’t make the catch off his helmet? We can play the what if game all we want and alter a lot of legacies, that also goes for people that I’m sure you love more than Reese. What is Eli’s legacy if not for the tyree catch? Or the ball bouncing off the 49ers punt returner? Or a million other plays that were key in those runs. What is Coughlins legacy? Things played out the way they did, history is what it was. He played a key role in building 2 Sb winners. And within the last decade
Down stretch of late for sure. It happens in that position to everyone who is afforded the opportunity to do it long enough. Some gms are better than others and of course there is something to be said for having an eye for talent. But luck and variance also plays a big role. Anyone who tells you the draft is an exact science doesn’t know what they are talking about. A good GM can have a down run. At Reese’s age I have a tough time thinking he’s done
stop defendinf Reese
he hired ross , makes the picks and is responsible for this team
we changed everything else already sir...take the blinders off
The top 15 players came from when accorsi was gm? Without bothering to debate that point, that doesn’t mean Reese didn’t have a big role in acquiring much if not most of that 15. We know he did. Don’t overestimate the power accorsi had especially near the end. If he had his way Tom Coughlin wouldn’t have been our coach. They had Reese pegged as gm long before they gave him the official title...only reason Reese had to wait as long as he did to get the official title is because they weren’t sure about him being out in the forefront quite yet with the press, compared to accorsi the polished sportswriter. And early on reese absolutely did things to justify those concerns.
I also don’t buy that accorsi picked his successor in Reese. They wouldn’t allow him to pick a coach but they allow him to pick a gm? I’m sure he put in a good word
We are one year removed from an 11-5 season led by the most dynamic young skill player and the most dynamic young defender (of last season at least) in the entire sport, both guys Reese recently drafted. And what happened in the 7th year that you set your cutoff date just before? Oh yea something some gms spend their whole lives trying and failing to accomplish over decades
We have a 54 year old man who has his hands all over two Sb winners within the past decade and people are acting like parting with him is just a no brainer. He has earned the right to at least outlive the aging qb and inept head coach and see if he can get this back on track
The top 15 players came from when accorsi was gm? Without bothering to debate that point, that doesn’t mean Reese didn’t have a big role in acquiring much if not most of that 15. We know he did. Don’t overestimate the power accorsi had especially near the end. If he had his way Tom Coughlin wouldn’t have been our coach. They had Reese pegged as gm long before they gave him the official title...only reason Reese had to wait as long as he did to get the official title is because they weren’t sure about him being out in the forefront quite yet with the press, compared to accorsi the polished sportswriter. And early on reese absolutely did things to justify those concerns.
I also don’t buy that accorsi picked his successor in Reese. They wouldn’t allow him to pick a coach but they allow him to pick a gm? I’m sure he put in a good word
I already talked about the points you mentioned in the earlier post that JR was a great director of Personnel.. May be the new GM can hire him as the Director of Personnel.. Reese sucks as the GM and has been sucking it pretty badly for over 6 years.. time to move on..
We are one year removed from an 11-5 season led by the most dynamic young skill player and the most dynamic young defender (of last season at least) in the entire sport, both guys Reese recently drafted. And what happened in the 7th year that you set your cutoff date just before? Oh yea something some gms spend their whole lives trying and failing to accomplish over decades
We have a 54 year old man who has his hands all over two Sb winners within the past decade and people are acting like parting with him is just a no brainer. He has earned the right to at least outlive the aging qb and inept head coach and see if he can get this back on track
Bahaha try this in business, I had a 6 year down period, do I get to keep my job? LUTZ
Depends. Did you reach the mountaintop of your profession more/as often as anyone in the entire industry within the past decade and are one year removed from a successful campaign?
I have my doubts, sight unseen, buying that you can equate any success you’ve had in whatever your industry is to Reese
We are one year removed from an 11-5 season led by the most dynamic young skill player and the most dynamic young defender (of last season at least) in the entire sport, both guys Reese recently drafted. And what happened in the 7th year that you set your cutoff date just before? Oh yea something some gms spend their whole lives trying and failing to accomplish over decades
We have a 54 year old man who has his hands all over two Sb winners within the past decade and people are acting like parting with him is just a no brainer. He has earned the right to at least outlive the aging qb and inept head coach and see if he can get this back on track
He's been drafting terrible for years now. Beckham alone doesn't change that.
He got to outlast the HOF head coach. He doesn't get to outlast another HC, that was named HC with him in charge. 6 years is along time, especially in sports. He's had numerous chances to fix the problems, and has failed miserably for more then a half-decade straight. He had his chances and has been given an extremely long leash. It's over.
You can bet the house that Jerry Reese was not the one who I.D.d diamonds in the rough like David Diehl and Victor Cruz.
That Jerry was very lucky is evident in how badly he misunderstood the basics of football and league trends since then.
When varied posters like reddog and (I think Fatman is down with firing Reese) agree, that speaks volumes.
Harv83 is new...what does that indicate here?
Jerry Reese's addiction for certain types in early rounds (being very circumspect and polite here) has been evident for a long while and lost us 5 years R and D.
I may be new (or new-ish) around here but you can actually follow the Giants independent of this website, as hard as it may be to believe. In fact probably 99% of Giants followers do just that. I seem to see the same 15-25 posters posting all the time but the stadium and tv ratings tell me more people than that are watching these games
Also how did you just pull from your behind who Reese did or didn’t identify without having any access to the room. We know he was in a position of power but apparently had nothing to do with anything positive in that time
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I may be new (or new-ish) around here but you can actually follow the Giants independent of this website, as hard as it may be to believe. In fact probably 99% of Giants followers do just that. I seem to see the same 15-25 posters posting all the time but the stadium and tv ratings tell me more people than that are watching these games
Also how did you just pull from your behind who Reese did or didn’t identify without having any access to the room. We know he was in a position of power but apparently had nothing to do with anything positive in that time
You don’t sound new. You sound pretty knowledgeable and likely posted here before under a different handle.
I’ll take that as a compliment? Lol. You’re right I did have a prior handle I created during the 11 playoffs but if I posted 5 times under it that would be a lot. Went years inactive forgot my info and created this one . Don’t post much under this one either but been pretty active the last few weeks
Way too many variables in football to pin blame on one person. It’s a lot like making a good film, you need a good script to work off and all of the departments working cohesively with the talent in place to pull it off. Which is why I don’t understand everyone picks one person to blame here. Everyone is to blame. Reese has done some good things and bad things. I don’t think he’s as bad as people make him out to be. That said, there has been consistent organizational failures for over half a decade now that I think a complete restructuring and getting new people in place would be good. The offense has been failing the team since mid-2012. The defense was awful for a long time but I think the defense is good enough to win in this league whem they play to their potential. The offense needs a new mindset and bolstering the talent up-front. Another off-season can do that if done smart.
The way in which the Giants won the 2011 Super Bowl led them to being reactive as opposed to proactive. They’ve been trying to catch lightning in the bottle again and it hasn’t worked.
Qualitative argument against Reese, and I think we can and have done that.
Simply juxtapose the leading assumptions inherent in last off seasons decisions and contrast those with this regular seasons realities, for one example.
But even from a point-of -emphasis argument, I think the case has made itself, at this point for a new one, and that case having made itself over ten years. It's not his thing right now ...find someone who has that different point of emphasis and skill set.
I actually would have no problem giving JR the first pick, as he’s been pretty solid with first round picks. The rest? Not so much. What I don’t like about Reese is the way he always seems to be blaming other people. To the extent we take away anything from his rare media appearances this isn’t a guy setting the right tone for leadership. I really lost all respect for JR on TC “retirement” presser. Not because I was some sort of TC fanboy, I was not, but because the whole process leading up to TCs dismissal and then JRs comments left me thinking that JR was a weasel.
He has to go. The record speaks for itself. 2016 was an aberration. The norm has been, for the most part, 6-10. This year is going to be much worse. Does anyone really trust that fuck picking inside the top 5 after he’s blown 2 top 10 picks recently, in Flowers and Apple? Come on man. And for those who say he’d get a GM job immediately: you’re joking right? Zero chance another owner is handing the keys to the castle over to a GM who was the architect of a 2-14 or 3-13 team. Get real.
How abt Giants Dan doesn’t want him fired. He has ignored the Oline and Linebacker position almost completely. I’ve never seen a GM do that before. I know tow first round picks Pugh and Flowers but both were out of desperation. Reese should be gone and Mcadoo right behind him.
It's a myth that Reese ignored the Oline. He has been drafting and signing free agents Olinemen for years. Don't confuse ineffective with ignoring. Since forever the Giants prefer to sign free agents Linebackers instead of drafting them in the top 3 rounds. Reese is a good GM and the team would be foolish to fire him.
He ignored the Oline this past offseason when it was a glaring weakness. To me this is inexcusable. Taking his race into condsideration as to whether he should be fired or not is beyond ridiculous.
(1) I didn't inject or alluded to race in my discussion. (2) How can you say he ignored the Oline this past off season when he drafted an OT, signed another OT as an UDFA and signed a vet O lineman in free agency?
I’ll take that as a compliment? Lol. You’re right I did have a prior handle I created during the 11 playoffs but if I posted 5 times under it that would be a lot. Went years inactive forgot my info and created this one . Don’t post much under this one either but been pretty active the last few weeks
Do you mentally view every poster as an angry white guy? JFC
How abt Giants Dan doesn’t want him fired. He has ignored the Oline and Linebacker position almost completely. I’ve never seen a GM do that before. I know tow first round picks Pugh and Flowers but both were out of desperation. Reese should be gone and Mcadoo right behind him.
It's a myth that Reese ignored the Oline. He has been drafting and signing free agents Olinemen for years. Don't confuse ineffective with ignoring. Since forever the Giants prefer to sign free agents Linebackers instead of drafting them in the top 3 rounds. Reese is a good GM and the team would be foolish to fire him.
He ignored the Oline this past offseason when it was a glaring weakness. To me this is inexcusable. Taking his race into condsideration as to whether he should be fired or not is beyond ridiculous.
(1) I didn't inject or alluded to race in my discussion. (2) How can you say he ignored the Oline this past off season when he drafted an OT, signed another OT as an UDFA and signed a vet O lineman in free agency?
The Harv guy mentioned race or alluded to it anyway. Drafting a lineman in the 6th round and taking a flyer on a guy who wasn’t considered good and UDFA isn’t addressing a poor offensive line.
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I think Reese is good with the cap and good with the early part of the draft but his later rounds of the draft, never trading down and leaving the Giant's thin year in and year out at linebacker is reason to move on. One playoff in the last five years is not good. The Giant's need to go in another direction IMHO
but I for one am tired of Reese getting a pass when in my opinion he is responsible for most of this mess we're in right now. Its time for him to be held accountable for whats wrong the last few years.........
if Giants fired him , Jerry Reese would instantly get another GM job in NFL .
With 4 - 7 teams calling the next day
Yes because those teams are the Browns, Niners, Bengals and other perennial basement dwellers. They can have him. A bottom-10 GM ahould be out on his ass.
He’s had YEARS to fix this mess. It’s 2017. Aside from a flyke last year, this team has not been competitive with it finally bottoming out this year.
Anyone opposed to his firing is either on the take or delusional.
He's been GM for over 10 years, majority of those years - no playoffs.
Bad(mediocre ) drafts. His forte was supposedly able to pick hidden gems in late rounds.
Record over 10 years, at best .500+/-.
He had his run ... time to go.
I doubt the NFL will be knocking down his door with offers.
Right, and how many of his draft picks from 2012 through 2016 are still playing as compared to other GMs?
As far as the two SBs, let’s be honest, neither of those teams were dominating or overpowering. We had one year of that (2008). Ea h of the 2007 and 2011 teams were fundamentally flawed, but got hot at the right time and overachieved due to a HOF coach that looks like a genius even in his (befuddled) final year as compared to Macadoo.
save me the dog whistle crap
its about results
I'd back up the armored car for Shaw. I love how he organizes and runs his team...
you want Giants pride restored? and Power football? hire Shaw
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He has proven to be a capable GM as evidenced by the fact that he had a huge hand in two Sb winning teams within the past decade. Yes, even the 07 team who people try and dilute his credit for. Did he get dumb at an age well before anyone should be questioning a loss of faculties? Or is it the more logical explanation.....that the draft is a crap shoot prone to luck and variance and that if you do this long enough you will have some dry periods. What’s going on with Ozzie newsome in Baltimore recently? How did bill polian do at the end in Indy when the Manning injury showed us just how much number 18 was covering up for some down offseasons. A few years ago John elway is the toast of the nfl. Now what’s up?
Firing Reese would be dumb. We have someone who is still relatively young that has shown an eye for talent and displayed the ability to compose rosters that sit under confetti in February, and we aren’t far removed from it. Pulling the plug because of a down few years would just be silly
And again some of the disrespect shown for a guy (bum ass bum?) who has done so much for us is sickening. Especially given what he represents to a lot of people
It's dumb not to question a GM that has had drafted badly for 7 years, hasn't found one UDFA who can contribute since Cruz and had to be handed a check for 200 million in order to have a creditable defense. This past off-season, he had a team seriously lacking in speed on offense and added a slug tight end at a multi million dollar contract and a slug wideout with fork sticking out of his back to another multmillion dollar contract. He's a bad GM and should be gone.
Wheeler?
lets have Wheeler play a few games before we put him in Canton
he needs a year in an NFL weightroom and coaching, but he looks good
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Especially given what he represents to a lot of people
You really need to stop with this race nonsense. People explained WHY this has nothing to do with race a million times and you continually bring it up. Nobody should be immune to criticism and it’s rather disappointing that you seem to think that Reese should be treated with kids gloves because he’s black. We get it. Many people look up to him and it’s great that he’s been able to possible open doors for other minorities. But that should have zero influence on how people feel about the job he’s done or whether the team decides to keep him or let him go.
such a stupid arguement
save me the dog whistle crap
its about results
I'd back up the armored car for Shaw. I love how he organizes and runs his team...
you want Giants pride restored? and Power football? hire Shaw
I think highly of Shaw, too. But by all accounts, Shaw's wife loves Palo Alto. And that is a big deal...so unless the Giants move west... ; )
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How abt Giants Dan doesn’t want him fired. He has ignored the Oline and Linebacker position almost completely. I’ve never seen a GM do that before. I know tow first round picks Pugh and Flowers but both were out of desperation. Reese should be gone and Mcadoo right behind him.
It's a myth that Reese ignored the Oline. He has been drafting and signing free agents Olinemen for years. Don't confuse ineffective with ignoring. Since forever the Giants prefer to sign free agents Linebackers instead of drafting them in the top 3 rounds. Reese is a good GM and the team would be foolish to fire him.
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save me the dog whistle crap
its about results
I'd back up the armored car for Shaw. I love how he organizes and runs his team...
you want Giants pride restored? and Power football? hire Shaw
I think highly of Shaw, too. But by all accounts, Shaw's wife loves Palo Alto. And that is a big deal...so unless the Giants move west... ; )
I dont blame her, but if you make him an offer he cant refuse?
Imagine with working with OBJ, it would be perfect
Reese doesnt win in 2007 or 2011 with our Ernies pick of Manning
Jerry Reese is a 54 year old man. Unless he has some really earl onset Alzheimer’s I’m gonna let his track record and the fact that someone else would hire him in 5 seconds speak more loudly than some fans lack of understanding for this process. There has never been a gm
Who has ever lived that has not had a down period if he did it long enough
I would be surprised if Gettleman was not on the speed dial to replace Reese
In Gettleman’s four seasons, the Panthers were 40-23-1 and won three consecutive NFC South titles.
Bad(mediocre ) drafts. His forte was supposedly able to pick hidden gems in late rounds.
Record over 10 years, at best .500+/-.
He had his run ... time to go.
I doubt the NFL will be knocking down his door with offers.
agree Reese 2007 was his best, but what about after?
and if Tyree doesnt make that catch, do we win?
who drafted the starting front 4 in 2007?
when does Reese get judged on his results?
I agree with you that he was a great director of personnel.. when he could focus solely on drafts.. we were getting studs in later rounds.. Tuck, Jacobs, Gibril Wilson.. but I doubt JR would want to be demoted to that position so he can concentrate of just the draft and players.. GM has many responsibilities.. and as seen by his record over the past 6 years he sucks at the GM job..
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It’s true Reese has his hands on the 11 team more than the 07 team, and it’s true accorsi deserves some credit for 07 too. But as I’m sure you realize, Reese didn’t just show up in 07. He was basically running Giants drafts for 4 years before that after being elevated to director of player personnel. He was being eased into being the next GM and the only reason it did not happen sooner is because the Giants had concerns that he wasn’t ready to be the public face (deal with the media etc), and they were probably right about that as he had his missteps early on (see how he handled petitgout in the media when pressed about his release). When it came to big picture decisions like the Eli deal the organization put their heads together and made those kinds of calls, but for the most part Reese was given free reign with the drafts for a few years before 07. This has been widely reported. And of course the 07 draft itself was one of the best one year impact drafts ever for a sb winner, even though it didn’t age out as an amazing haul
Reese doesnt win in 2007 or 2011 with our Ernies pick of Manning
Basically the top 15 players on the giants 2007 team came when Ernie was the GM..
Down stretch of late for sure. It happens in that position to everyone who is afforded the opportunity to do it long enough. Some gms are better than others and of course there is something to be said for having an eye for talent. But luck and variance also plays a big role. Anyone who tells you the draft is an exact science doesn’t know what they are talking about. A good GM can have a down run. At Reese’s age I have a tough time thinking he’s done
Down stretch of late for sure. It happens in that position to everyone who is afforded the opportunity to do it long enough. Some gms are better than others and of course there is something to be said for having an eye for talent. But luck and variance also plays a big role. Anyone who tells you the draft is an exact science doesn’t know what they are talking about. A good GM can have a down run. At Reese’s age I have a tough time thinking he’s done
stop defendinf Reese
he hired ross , makes the picks and is responsible for this team
we changed everything else already sir...take the blinders off
I also don’t buy that accorsi picked his successor in Reese. They wouldn’t allow him to pick a coach but they allow him to pick a gm? I’m sure he put in a good word
We have a 54 year old man who has his hands all over two Sb winners within the past decade and people are acting like parting with him is just a no brainer. He has earned the right to at least outlive the aging qb and inept head coach and see if he can get this back on track
I also don’t buy that accorsi picked his successor in Reese. They wouldn’t allow him to pick a coach but they allow him to pick a gm? I’m sure he put in a good word
I already talked about the points you mentioned in the earlier post that JR was a great director of Personnel.. May be the new GM can hire him as the Director of Personnel.. Reese sucks as the GM and has been sucking it pretty badly for over 6 years.. time to move on..
We have a 54 year old man who has his hands all over two Sb winners within the past decade and people are acting like parting with him is just a no brainer. He has earned the right to at least outlive the aging qb and inept head coach and see if he can get this back on track
Bahaha try this in business, I had a 6 year down period, do I get to keep my job? LUTZ
I have my doubts, sight unseen, buying that you can equate any success you’ve had in whatever your industry is to Reese
We have a 54 year old man who has his hands all over two Sb winners within the past decade and people are acting like parting with him is just a no brainer. He has earned the right to at least outlive the aging qb and inept head coach and see if he can get this back on track
He's been drafting terrible for years now. Beckham alone doesn't change that.
He got to outlast the HOF head coach. He doesn't get to outlast another HC, that was named HC with him in charge. 6 years is along time, especially in sports. He's had numerous chances to fix the problems, and has failed miserably for more then a half-decade straight. He had his chances and has been given an extremely long leash. It's over.
That Jerry was very lucky is evident in how badly he misunderstood the basics of football and league trends since then.
When varied posters like reddog and (I think Fatman is down with firing Reese) agree, that speaks volumes.
Harv83 is new...what does that indicate here?
Jerry Reese's addiction for certain types in early rounds (being very circumspect and polite here) has been evident for a long while and lost us 5 years R and D.
Also how did you just pull from your behind who Reese did or didn’t identify without having any access to the room. We know he was in a position of power but apparently had nothing to do with anything positive in that time
Also how did you just pull from your behind who Reese did or didn’t identify without having any access to the room. We know he was in a position of power but apparently had nothing to do with anything positive in that time
You don’t sound new. You sound pretty knowledgeable and likely posted here before under a different handle.
With 4 - 7 teams calling the next day
Good, lets hope it's a divisional rival so he can plow their team into the ground
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if Giants fired him , Jerry Reese would instantly get another GM job in NFL .
With 4 - 7 teams calling the next day
Good, lets hope it's a divisional rival so he can plow their team into the ground
I agree , Reese has run out his string in NY
Simply juxtapose the leading assumptions inherent in last off seasons decisions and contrast those with this regular seasons realities, for one example.
But even from a point-of -emphasis argument, I think the case has made itself, at this point for a new one, and that case having made itself over ten years. It's not his thing right now ...find someone who has that different point of emphasis and skill set.
He's not at fault for players quitting on field and etc.
He has to go. The record speaks for itself. 2016 was an aberration. The norm has been, for the most part, 6-10. This year is going to be much worse. Does anyone really trust that fuck picking inside the top 5 after he’s blown 2 top 10 picks recently, in Flowers and Apple? Come on man. And for those who say he’d get a GM job immediately: you’re joking right? Zero chance another owner is handing the keys to the castle over to a GM who was the architect of a 2-14 or 3-13 team. Get real.
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How abt Giants Dan doesn’t want him fired. He has ignored the Oline and Linebacker position almost completely. I’ve never seen a GM do that before. I know tow first round picks Pugh and Flowers but both were out of desperation. Reese should be gone and Mcadoo right behind him.
It's a myth that Reese ignored the Oline. He has been drafting and signing free agents Olinemen for years. Don't confuse ineffective with ignoring. Since forever the Giants prefer to sign free agents Linebackers instead of drafting them in the top 3 rounds. Reese is a good GM and the team would be foolish to fire him.
He ignored the Oline this past offseason when it was a glaring weakness. To me this is inexcusable. Taking his race into condsideration as to whether he should be fired or not is beyond ridiculous.
(1) I didn't inject or alluded to race in my discussion. (2) How can you say he ignored the Oline this past off season when he drafted an OT, signed another OT as an UDFA and signed a vet O lineman in free agency?
Do you mentally view every poster as an angry white guy? JFC
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In comment 13701292 cokeduplt said:
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How abt Giants Dan doesn’t want him fired. He has ignored the Oline and Linebacker position almost completely. I’ve never seen a GM do that before. I know tow first round picks Pugh and Flowers but both were out of desperation. Reese should be gone and Mcadoo right behind him.
It's a myth that Reese ignored the Oline. He has been drafting and signing free agents Olinemen for years. Don't confuse ineffective with ignoring. Since forever the Giants prefer to sign free agents Linebackers instead of drafting them in the top 3 rounds. Reese is a good GM and the team would be foolish to fire him.
He ignored the Oline this past offseason when it was a glaring weakness. To me this is inexcusable. Taking his race into condsideration as to whether he should be fired or not is beyond ridiculous.
(1) I didn't inject or alluded to race in my discussion. (2) How can you say he ignored the Oline this past off season when he drafted an OT, signed another OT as an UDFA and signed a vet O lineman in free agency?
The Harv guy mentioned race or alluded to it anyway. Drafting a lineman in the 6th round and taking a flyer on a guy who wasn’t considered good and UDFA isn’t addressing a poor offensive line.
Go look at Minnesota’s roster and say Reese has been just as good. You’re delusional.
Someone needs to tell Reese you can actually find impact players after round 2.
With 4 - 7 teams calling the next day
Yes because those teams are the Browns, Niners, Bengals and other perennial basement dwellers. They can have him. A bottom-10 GM ahould be out on his ass.
He’s had YEARS to fix this mess. It’s 2017. Aside from a flyke last year, this team has not been competitive with it finally bottoming out this year.
Anyone opposed to his firing is either on the take or delusional.
Bad(mediocre ) drafts. His forte was supposedly able to pick hidden gems in late rounds.
Record over 10 years, at best .500+/-.
He had his run ... time to go.
I doubt the NFL will be knocking down his door with offers.
Right, and how many of his draft picks from 2012 through 2016 are still playing as compared to other GMs?
As far as the two SBs, let’s be honest, neither of those teams were dominating or overpowering. We had one year of that (2008). Ea h of the 2007 and 2011 teams were fundamentally flawed, but got hot at the right time and overachieved due to a HOF coach that looks like a genius even in his (befuddled) final year as compared to Macadoo.