He's been gone since 2015. He has nothing to do with the 2017 Giants. We are 2-8; and are headed for a worse record in a season that TC ever had here. And before anyone tries to say it, I'm not and wasn't a TC defender. I wanted him fired well before 2015, and posters like Britt will confirm that for you, if you don't believe me.
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I know Reese had some bad drafts, but he's also had some pretty good ones lately. He's already been judged on the bad ones that happened a few years ago.
He has not ignored the OL. It just didn't develop as quickly as we all hoped.
Reese gave McAdoo a FB and multiple TEs to help with blocking but they weren't used.
McAdoo has done a very bad job this year. Reese hasn't and I don't give a rat's ass about the color of his skin.
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While he has been the victim of several high picks that sustained career ending/altering injuries he still deserves to be fired. His refusal to adjust to a changing game has wasted several of Eli's prime years. He refused to address the linebacker position for year and he had chances to address the offensive line but he failed to do so.
After they fired Coughlin Mara basically said that Reese would be held accountable if they don't improve. Now that the Giants have gone from SB to contender to a 2-8 mess it is time to make a change. I hope they target Wolf or Decosta as GM and Gruden as HC. Let Gruden choose his franchise QB in the draft and move on from there.
How abt Giants Dan doesn’t want him fired. He has ignored the Oline and Linebacker position almost completely. I’ve never seen a GM do that before. I know tow first round picks Pugh and Flowers but both were out of desperation. Reese should be gone and Mcadoo right behind him.
It's a myth that Reese ignored the Oline. He has been drafting and signing free agents Olinemen for years. Don't confuse ineffective with ignoring. Since forever the Giants prefer to sign free agents Linebackers instead of drafting them in the top 3 rounds. Reese is a good GM and the team would be foolish to fire him.
He ignored the Oline this past offseason when it was a glaring weakness. To me this is inexcusable. Taking his race into condsideration as to whether he should be fired or not is beyond ridiculous.
When evaluating Reese, you really need to take the minority status out of the picture and only look at his body of work. Yes, he was involved and responsible for two Super Bowl victories. However, I do not give him credit for the 2007 Giants' roster. That was Accorsi's roster. Yes, Reese was involved with building it; but he wasn't the final say. The 2011 roster was more Reese's roster. But it still had Snee, McKenzie and Diehl. So, it still really wasn't Reese's O-line. What we see today is Reese's O-line.
As for his drafts, the owner went on record stating he was influencing the selections in a few of the drafts. I believe it. Reese also said that he doesn't have the final say in all draft selections. I believe that, too. That makes it harder to judge Reese on the lousy drafts. He may also not have the final say in the head coach hirings. If any/all of that is true, it certainly complicates matters.
Regardless how much owner interference there is, the owner of the team did say that this mess was on Reese.
1-7 at the mid-way point of this season looks really bad. Ownership can't be happy with that. The team has had a lot of record volatility for a long time now. One season up, the next down, getting blown out in games, looking semi-pro at times, etc.
The stretch of division games coming up will be very telling. If ownership hasn't already made up their minds, how the team looks against division rivals, especially when the Giants are home, will make up their minds. Division games are the ones that MATTER.
It will be very interesting to see how it all plays out once the season concludes.
I agree with the Flowers criticism. He mentions "ROI" but Flowers was 20 when drafted and just starting to come around , one of the better pass blocking LTs in all of football this year. ROI would include long term investment, not just short term.
Also, Apple was 20 when drafted as well. Reese has been awful in rounds 3 through 7 in most of his drafts - that is accurate. Just don't think Flowers and Apple are a good example of Reese being a bad GM.
Flowers cannot play Tackle cannot.... learn it
maybe a guard
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*Say what you will - Reese has 2 Super Bowl rings.
*He is not the actual GM of the team - John Mara is. And then who knows where Chris falls in the pecking order. By the time you get to Reese...he is the face of the decisions, but the Mara's are fully involved in football operations.
*Everyone and their mother thought this was a Super Bowl contender on paper. Now all the sudden Reese put a bad roster together? McAdoo potentially found an OL combination that can play halfway through the season: those players were provided in April. The defense with 6 returning All Pros tanked. Everyone thought we had one of the top secondaries in the league. That's on Reese?
*We essentially lost Odell Beckham in the preseason. The one guy other than Eli we couldn't afford to lose. That took the wind out of the sails BIG TIME, imo. Huge psychological blow to the team.
There's too much evidence this was a good team he put together that was poorly mismanaged and suffered the critical injury it could not afford. McAdoo didn't have the right players on the field with corresponding strategy to their strengths. He is the guy that should pay for this - it's a tough business and he was thrown into the fire without much experience. He was still in the baby steps of being an Offensive Coordinator.
and think he's a very good scout. As a GM, he's made some excellent high round picks, and some of those have been lost not due to anything he's done.
But here's my issue with his drafts. They aren't complete.......too many reaches and picks that don't have any return on value.
He's actually spent high picks on the OL, and they haven't worked out. Now Flowers may get there - but Pugh is always hurt (and a bit overrated in my mind) and Richburg looks like he'll return zero. Other picks on the OL - Brewer and such - were throw away development picks. That caught up to the team which had a deep roster at one time.
If there was any time to go in a new direction and tear down the scouting department, it's now. Eli is almost at the end of his career here - two more years tops you'd think - start to rebuild the franchise under new leadership and go in a different direction.
Reese is a good evaluator - again his #1 picks have been excellent for the most part, but he deserves blame for the
organization under him doing the scouting too which I believe he relies heavily on to make lower round picks.
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I know Reese had some bad drafts, but he's also had some pretty good ones lately. He's already been judged on the bad ones that happened a few years ago.
He has not ignored the OL. It just didn't develop as quickly as we all hoped.
Reese gave McAdoo a FB and multiple TEs to help with blocking but they weren't used.
McAdoo has done a very bad job this year. Reese hasn't and I don't give a rat's ass about the color of his skin.
Whose job is it make sure the right HC is there and that team is built to work with the HC.. Whether BM was JR's call or not.. Its part of JRs job.. either JR hired him or agreed with the ownership and didn't try to convince the owners that this was wrong.. at the end of the day.. JR is the GM and he brought this coach in..
As far as the OL.. there is this thing called timeliness.. its not like he had forever to fix the OL and as long as it was fixed before 2065, JR did his job.. in 2012 we had a horrible OL with an immobile aging QB.. he should have acted accordingly.. why draft projects out of college (Everyone knew Flowers wasn't ready to start for a couple of years)..
We are 8-10 games below .500 since 2012.. with a HoF QB in his prime.. at this point its been long enough that we can judge that our current record is JR's fault as much as anyone else..
His drafts have been terrible after round 2, and even his early round record is spotty. His FA record has been up and down as well.
Philosophically he devalues the OL and LB positions. That’s clear from his drafting record. Early on in his tenure this didn’t matter because he inherited one of the best OL’s in the league and a defense with a legitimate MLB (Pierce). Since that time he’s allowed both aspects of the team to erode due to bad drafting and FA acquisitions, and here we are. It’s time to move on.
He has proven to be a capable GM as evidenced by the fact that he had a huge hand in two Sb winning teams within the past decade. Yes, even the 07 team who people try and dilute his credit for. Did he get dumb at an age well before anyone should be questioning a loss of faculties? Or is it the more logical explanation.....that the draft is a crap shoot prone to luck and variance and that if you do this long enough you will have some dry periods. What’s going on with Ozzie newsome in Baltimore recently? How did bill polian do at the end in Indy when the Manning injury showed us just how much number 18 was covering up for some down offseasons. A few years ago John elway is the toast of the nfl. Now what’s up?
Firing Reese would be dumb. We have someone who is still relatively young that has shown an eye for talent and displayed the ability to compose rosters that sit under confetti in February, and we aren’t far removed from it. Pulling the plug because of a down few years would just be silly
And again some of the disrespect shown for a guy (bum ass bum?) who has done so much for us is sickening. Especially given what he represents to a lot of people
It's dumb not to question a GM that has had drafted badly for 7 years, hasn't found one UDFA who can contribute since Cruz and had to be handed a check for 200 million in order to have a creditable defense. This past off-season, he had a team seriously lacking in speed on offense and added a slug tight end at a multi million dollar contract and a slug wideout with fork sticking out of his back to another multmillion dollar contract. He's a bad GM and should be gone.
Wheeler?
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He has proven to be a capable GM as evidenced by the fact that he had a huge hand in two Sb winning teams within the past decade. Yes, even the 07 team who people try and dilute his credit for. Did he get dumb at an age well before anyone should be questioning a loss of faculties? Or is it the more logical explanation.....that the draft is a crap shoot prone to luck and variance and that if you do this long enough you will have some dry periods. What’s going on with Ozzie newsome in Baltimore recently? How did bill polian do at the end in Indy when the Manning injury showed us just how much number 18 was covering up for some down offseasons. A few years ago John elway is the toast of the nfl. Now what’s up?
Firing Reese would be dumb. We have someone who is still relatively young that has shown an eye for talent and displayed the ability to compose rosters that sit under confetti in February, and we aren’t far removed from it. Pulling the plug because of a down few years would just be silly
And again some of the disrespect shown for a guy (bum ass bum?) who has done so much for us is sickening. Especially given what he represents to a lot of people
It's dumb not to question a GM that has had drafted badly for 7 years, hasn't found one UDFA who can contribute since Cruz and had to be handed a check for 200 million in order to have a creditable defense. This past off-season, he had a team seriously lacking in speed on offense and added a slug tight end at a multi million dollar contract and a slug wideout with fork sticking out of his back to another multmillion dollar contract. He's a bad GM and should be gone.
Wheeler?
lets have Wheeler play a few games before we put him in Canton
he needs a year in an NFL weightroom and coaching, but he looks good
Especially given what he represents to a lot of people
You really need to stop with this race nonsense. People explained WHY this has nothing to do with race a million times and you continually bring it up. Nobody should be immune to criticism and it’s rather disappointing that you seem to think that Reese should be treated with kids gloves because he’s black. We get it. Many people look up to him and it’s great that he’s been able to possible open doors for other minorities. But that should have zero influence on how people feel about the job he’s done or whether the team decides to keep him or let him go.
It’s true Reese has his hands on the 11 team more than the 07 team, and it’s true accorsi deserves some credit for 07 too. But as I’m sure you realize, Reese didn’t just show up in 07. He was basically running Giants drafts for 4 years before that after being elevated to director of player personnel. He was being eased into being the next GM and the only reason it did not happen sooner is because the Giants had concerns that he wasn’t ready to be the public face (deal with the media etc), and they were probably right about that as he had his missteps early on (see how he handled petitgout in the media when pressed about his release). When it came to big picture decisions like the Eli deal the organization put their heads together and made those kinds of calls, but for the most part Reese was given free reign with the drafts for a few years before 07. This has been widely reported. And of course the 07 draft itself was one of the best one year impact drafts ever for a sb winner, even though it didn’t age out as an amazing haul
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How abt Giants Dan doesn’t want him fired. He has ignored the Oline and Linebacker position almost completely. I’ve never seen a GM do that before. I know tow first round picks Pugh and Flowers but both were out of desperation. Reese should be gone and Mcadoo right behind him.
It's a myth that Reese ignored the Oline. He has been drafting and signing free agents Olinemen for years. Don't confuse ineffective with ignoring. Since forever the Giants prefer to sign free agents Linebackers instead of drafting them in the top 3 rounds. Reese is a good GM and the team would be foolish to fire him.
Very true. he has not ignored the o-line. He has not been very good with the draft choices, FA signings and UDFA signings he has made to build it. I don't see where recognizing an issue and then not competently fixing that issue is any kind of pass.
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It’s true Reese has his hands on the 11 team more than the 07 team, and it’s true accorsi deserves some credit for 07 too. But as I’m sure you realize, Reese didn’t just show up in 07. He was basically running Giants drafts for 4 years before that after being elevated to director of player personnel. He was being eased into being the next GM and the only reason it did not happen sooner is because the Giants had concerns that he wasn’t ready to be the public face (deal with the media etc), and they were probably right about that as he had his missteps early on (see how he handled petitgout in the media when pressed about his release). When it came to big picture decisions like the Eli deal the organization put their heads together and made those kinds of calls, but for the most part Reese was given free reign with the drafts for a few years before 07. This has been widely reported. And of course the 07 draft itself was one of the best one year impact drafts ever for a sb winner, even though it didn’t age out as an amazing haul
Reese doesnt win in 2007 or 2011 with our Ernies pick of Manning
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Or do you have no understanding of how luck and variance can impact draft success? Entering this year many people felt the Giants roster was worthy of Sb consideration on paper at least. Hasn’t worked out, injuries sure haven’t helped either... nor has a coach in over his head who I am skeptical would have been Reese’s top choice
Jerry Reese is a 54 year old man. Unless he has some really earl onset Alzheimer’s I’m gonna let his track record and the fact that someone else would hire him in 5 seconds speak more loudly than some fans lack of understanding for this process. There has never been a gm
Who has ever lived that has not had a down period if he did it long enough
I agree that his track record should speak for itself. That track record has been lousy for seven years now.
Ok. And that team doesn’t win in 07 without a bunch of factors Reese had his fingerprints all over as well. That entire roster outside of strahan and Toomer was basically acquired during the window when Reese became empowered
He's been GM for over 10 years, majority of those years - no playoffs.
Bad(mediocre ) drafts. His forte was supposedly able to pick hidden gems in late rounds.
Record over 10 years, at best .500+/-.
He had his run ... time to go.
I doubt the NFL will be knocking down his door with offers.
Ok. And that team doesn’t win in 07 without a bunch of factors Reese had his fingerprints all over as well. That entire roster outside of strahan and Toomer was basically acquired during the window when Reese became empowered
agree Reese 2007 was his best, but what about after?
It’s true Reese has his hands on the 11 team more than the 07 team, and it’s true accorsi deserves some credit for 07 too. But as I’m sure you realize, Reese didn’t just show up in 07. He was basically running Giants drafts for 4 years before that after being elevated to director of player personnel. He was being eased into being the next GM and the only reason it did not happen sooner is because the Giants had concerns that he wasn’t ready to be the public face (deal with the media etc), and they were probably right about that as he had his missteps early on (see how he handled petitgout in the media when pressed about his release). When it came to big picture decisions like the Eli deal the organization put their heads together and made those kinds of calls, but for the most part Reese was given free reign with the drafts for a few years before 07. This has been widely reported. And of course the 07 draft itself was one of the best one year impact drafts ever for a sb winner, even though it didn’t age out as an amazing haul
I agree with you that he was a great director of personnel.. when he could focus solely on drafts.. we were getting studs in later rounds.. Tuck, Jacobs, Gibril Wilson.. but I doubt JR would want to be demoted to that position so he can concentrate of just the draft and players.. GM has many responsibilities.. and as seen by his record over the past 6 years he sucks at the GM job..
It’s true Reese has his hands on the 11 team more than the 07 team, and it’s true accorsi deserves some credit for 07 too. But as I’m sure you realize, Reese didn’t just show up in 07. He was basically running Giants drafts for 4 years before that after being elevated to director of player personnel. He was being eased into being the next GM and the only reason it did not happen sooner is because the Giants had concerns that he wasn’t ready to be the public face (deal with the media etc), and they were probably right about that as he had his missteps early on (see how he handled petitgout in the media when pressed about his release). When it came to big picture decisions like the Eli deal the organization put their heads together and made those kinds of calls, but for the most part Reese was given free reign with the drafts for a few years before 07. This has been widely reported. And of course the 07 draft itself was one of the best one year impact drafts ever for a sb winner, even though it didn’t age out as an amazing haul
Reese doesnt win in 2007 or 2011 with our Ernies pick of Manning
Basically the top 15 players on the giants 2007 team came when Ernie was the GM..
If tyree doesn’t make the catch off his helmet? We can play the what if game all we want and alter a lot of legacies, that also goes for people that I’m sure you love more than Reese. What is Eli’s legacy if not for the tyree catch? Or the ball bouncing off the 49ers punt returner? Or a million other plays that were key in those runs. What is Coughlins legacy? Things played out the way they did, history is what it was. He played a key role in building 2 Sb winners. And within the last decade
Down stretch of late for sure. It happens in that position to everyone who is afforded the opportunity to do it long enough. Some gms are better than others and of course there is something to be said for having an eye for talent. But luck and variance also plays a big role. Anyone who tells you the draft is an exact science doesn’t know what they are talking about. A good GM can have a down run. At Reese’s age I have a tough time thinking he’s done
If tyree doesn’t make the catch off his helmet? We can play the what if game all we want and alter a lot of legacies, that also goes for people that I’m sure you love more than Reese. What is Eli’s legacy if not for the tyree catch? Or the ball bouncing off the 49ers punt returner? Or a million other plays that were key in those runs. What is Coughlins legacy? Things played out the way they did, history is what it was. He played a key role in building 2 Sb winners. And within the last decade
Down stretch of late for sure. It happens in that position to everyone who is afforded the opportunity to do it long enough. Some gms are better than others and of course there is something to be said for having an eye for talent. But luck and variance also plays a big role. Anyone who tells you the draft is an exact science doesn’t know what they are talking about. A good GM can have a down run. At Reese’s age I have a tough time thinking he’s done
stop defendinf Reese
he hired ross , makes the picks and is responsible for this team
we changed everything else already sir...take the blinders off
The top 15 players came from when accorsi was gm? Without bothering to debate that point, that doesn’t mean Reese didn’t have a big role in acquiring much if not most of that 15. We know he did. Don’t overestimate the power accorsi had especially near the end. If he had his way Tom Coughlin wouldn’t have been our coach. They had Reese pegged as gm long before they gave him the official title...only reason Reese had to wait as long as he did to get the official title is because they weren’t sure about him being out in the forefront quite yet with the press, compared to accorsi the polished sportswriter. And early on reese absolutely did things to justify those concerns.
I also don’t buy that accorsi picked his successor in Reese. They wouldn’t allow him to pick a coach but they allow him to pick a gm? I’m sure he put in a good word
We are one year removed from an 11-5 season led by the most dynamic young skill player and the most dynamic young defender (of last season at least) in the entire sport, both guys Reese recently drafted. And what happened in the 7th year that you set your cutoff date just before? Oh yea something some gms spend their whole lives trying and failing to accomplish over decades
We have a 54 year old man who has his hands all over two Sb winners within the past decade and people are acting like parting with him is just a no brainer. He has earned the right to at least outlive the aging qb and inept head coach and see if he can get this back on track
The top 15 players came from when accorsi was gm? Without bothering to debate that point, that doesn’t mean Reese didn’t have a big role in acquiring much if not most of that 15. We know he did. Don’t overestimate the power accorsi had especially near the end. If he had his way Tom Coughlin wouldn’t have been our coach. They had Reese pegged as gm long before they gave him the official title...only reason Reese had to wait as long as he did to get the official title is because they weren’t sure about him being out in the forefront quite yet with the press, compared to accorsi the polished sportswriter. And early on reese absolutely did things to justify those concerns.
I also don’t buy that accorsi picked his successor in Reese. They wouldn’t allow him to pick a coach but they allow him to pick a gm? I’m sure he put in a good word
I already talked about the points you mentioned in the earlier post that JR was a great director of Personnel.. May be the new GM can hire him as the Director of Personnel.. Reese sucks as the GM and has been sucking it pretty badly for over 6 years.. time to move on..
We are one year removed from an 11-5 season led by the most dynamic young skill player and the most dynamic young defender (of last season at least) in the entire sport, both guys Reese recently drafted. And what happened in the 7th year that you set your cutoff date just before? Oh yea something some gms spend their whole lives trying and failing to accomplish over decades
We have a 54 year old man who has his hands all over two Sb winners within the past decade and people are acting like parting with him is just a no brainer. He has earned the right to at least outlive the aging qb and inept head coach and see if he can get this back on track
Bahaha try this in business, I had a 6 year down period, do I get to keep my job? LUTZ
Depends. Did you reach the mountaintop of your profession more/as often as anyone in the entire industry within the past decade and are one year removed from a successful campaign?
I have my doubts, sight unseen, buying that you can equate any success you’ve had in whatever your industry is to Reese
We are one year removed from an 11-5 season led by the most dynamic young skill player and the most dynamic young defender (of last season at least) in the entire sport, both guys Reese recently drafted. And what happened in the 7th year that you set your cutoff date just before? Oh yea something some gms spend their whole lives trying and failing to accomplish over decades
We have a 54 year old man who has his hands all over two Sb winners within the past decade and people are acting like parting with him is just a no brainer. He has earned the right to at least outlive the aging qb and inept head coach and see if he can get this back on track
He's been drafting terrible for years now. Beckham alone doesn't change that.
He got to outlast the HOF head coach. He doesn't get to outlast another HC, that was named HC with him in charge. 6 years is along time, especially in sports. He's had numerous chances to fix the problems, and has failed miserably for more then a half-decade straight. He had his chances and has been given an extremely long leash. It's over.
You can bet the house that Jerry Reese was not the one who I.D.d diamonds in the rough like David Diehl and Victor Cruz.
That Jerry was very lucky is evident in how badly he misunderstood the basics of football and league trends since then.
When varied posters like reddog and (I think Fatman is down with firing Reese) agree, that speaks volumes.
Harv83 is new...what does that indicate here?
Jerry Reese's addiction for certain types in early rounds (being very circumspect and polite here) has been evident for a long while and lost us 5 years R and D.
I may be new (or new-ish) around here but you can actually follow the Giants independent of this website, as hard as it may be to believe. In fact probably 99% of Giants followers do just that. I seem to see the same 15-25 posters posting all the time but the stadium and tv ratings tell me more people than that are watching these games
Also how did you just pull from your behind who Reese did or didn’t identify without having any access to the room. We know he was in a position of power but apparently had nothing to do with anything positive in that time
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I may be new (or new-ish) around here but you can actually follow the Giants independent of this website, as hard as it may be to believe. In fact probably 99% of Giants followers do just that. I seem to see the same 15-25 posters posting all the time but the stadium and tv ratings tell me more people than that are watching these games
Also how did you just pull from your behind who Reese did or didn’t identify without having any access to the room. We know he was in a position of power but apparently had nothing to do with anything positive in that time
You don’t sound new. You sound pretty knowledgeable and likely posted here before under a different handle.
I’ll take that as a compliment? Lol. You’re right I did have a prior handle I created during the 11 playoffs but if I posted 5 times under it that would be a lot. Went years inactive forgot my info and created this one . Don’t post much under this one either but been pretty active the last few weeks
You HAVE to get that right. If Reese can't figure that out after a decade as Eli's GM he should be fired.
I know Reese had some bad drafts, but he's also had some pretty good ones lately. He's already been judged on the bad ones that happened a few years ago.
He has not ignored the OL. It just didn't develop as quickly as we all hoped.
Reese gave McAdoo a FB and multiple TEs to help with blocking but they weren't used.
McAdoo has done a very bad job this year. Reese hasn't and I don't give a rat's ass about the color of his skin.
Get that bum ass bum out of this organization now!!!
I put 75% of our blame on JR and 25% on McAdoodoo!
And 0% on the players?
After they fired Coughlin Mara basically said that Reese would be held accountable if they don't improve. Now that the Giants have gone from SB to contender to a 2-8 mess it is time to make a change. I hope they target Wolf or Decosta as GM and Gruden as HC. Let Gruden choose his franchise QB in the draft and move on from there.
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How abt Giants Dan doesn’t want him fired. He has ignored the Oline and Linebacker position almost completely. I’ve never seen a GM do that before. I know tow first round picks Pugh and Flowers but both were out of desperation. Reese should be gone and Mcadoo right behind him.
It's a myth that Reese ignored the Oline. He has been drafting and signing free agents Olinemen for years. Don't confuse ineffective with ignoring. Since forever the Giants prefer to sign free agents Linebackers instead of drafting them in the top 3 rounds. Reese is a good GM and the team would be foolish to fire him.
He ignored the Oline this past offseason when it was a glaring weakness. To me this is inexcusable. Taking his race into condsideration as to whether he should be fired or not is beyond ridiculous.
As for his drafts, the owner went on record stating he was influencing the selections in a few of the drafts. I believe it. Reese also said that he doesn't have the final say in all draft selections. I believe that, too. That makes it harder to judge Reese on the lousy drafts. He may also not have the final say in the head coach hirings. If any/all of that is true, it certainly complicates matters.
Regardless how much owner interference there is, the owner of the team did say that this mess was on Reese.
1-7 at the mid-way point of this season looks really bad. Ownership can't be happy with that. The team has had a lot of record volatility for a long time now. One season up, the next down, getting blown out in games, looking semi-pro at times, etc.
The stretch of division games coming up will be very telling. If ownership hasn't already made up their minds, how the team looks against division rivals, especially when the Giants are home, will make up their minds. Division games are the ones that MATTER.
It will be very interesting to see how it all plays out once the season concludes.
Also, Apple was 20 when drafted as well. Reese has been awful in rounds 3 through 7 in most of his drafts - that is accurate. Just don't think Flowers and Apple are a good example of Reese being a bad GM.
Flowers cannot play Tackle cannot.... learn it
maybe a guard
agree
*He is not the actual GM of the team - John Mara is. And then who knows where Chris falls in the pecking order. By the time you get to Reese...he is the face of the decisions, but the Mara's are fully involved in football operations.
*Everyone and their mother thought this was a Super Bowl contender on paper. Now all the sudden Reese put a bad roster together? McAdoo potentially found an OL combination that can play halfway through the season: those players were provided in April. The defense with 6 returning All Pros tanked. Everyone thought we had one of the top secondaries in the league. That's on Reese?
*We essentially lost Odell Beckham in the preseason. The one guy other than Eli we couldn't afford to lose. That took the wind out of the sails BIG TIME, imo. Huge psychological blow to the team.
There's too much evidence this was a good team he put together that was poorly mismanaged and suffered the critical injury it could not afford. McAdoo didn't have the right players on the field with corresponding strategy to their strengths. He is the guy that should pay for this - it's a tough business and he was thrown into the fire without much experience. He was still in the baby steps of being an Offensive Coordinator.
If Flowers-Jerry-Jones-Fluker-Pugh maybe Dallas and Detroit are different ball games but apparently there was no camp competition to earn your spot.
The worst thing Reese did that past offseason was sign Brandon Marshall and that was widely praised here on BBI.
you are kidding yourself about Flowers
he's awful...
Period.
reese has blown draft after draft
Hilarious.
And spare us the race card BS.
Agree with this 100%
But here's my issue with his drafts. They aren't complete.......too many reaches and picks that don't have any return on value.
He's actually spent high picks on the OL, and they haven't worked out. Now Flowers may get there - but Pugh is always hurt (and a bit overrated in my mind) and Richburg looks like he'll return zero. Other picks on the OL - Brewer and such - were throw away development picks. That caught up to the team which had a deep roster at one time.
If there was any time to go in a new direction and tear down the scouting department, it's now. Eli is almost at the end of his career here - two more years tops you'd think - start to rebuild the franchise under new leadership and go in a different direction.
Reese is a good evaluator - again his #1 picks have been excellent for the most part, but he deserves blame for the
organization under him doing the scouting too which I believe he relies heavily on to make lower round picks.
I know Reese had some bad drafts, but he's also had some pretty good ones lately. He's already been judged on the bad ones that happened a few years ago.
He has not ignored the OL. It just didn't develop as quickly as we all hoped.
Reese gave McAdoo a FB and multiple TEs to help with blocking but they weren't used.
McAdoo has done a very bad job this year. Reese hasn't and I don't give a rat's ass about the color of his skin.
Whose job is it make sure the right HC is there and that team is built to work with the HC.. Whether BM was JR's call or not.. Its part of JRs job.. either JR hired him or agreed with the ownership and didn't try to convince the owners that this was wrong.. at the end of the day.. JR is the GM and he brought this coach in..
As far as the OL.. there is this thing called timeliness.. its not like he had forever to fix the OL and as long as it was fixed before 2065, JR did his job.. in 2012 we had a horrible OL with an immobile aging QB.. he should have acted accordingly.. why draft projects out of college (Everyone knew Flowers wasn't ready to start for a couple of years)..
We are 8-10 games below .500 since 2012.. with a HoF QB in his prime.. at this point its been long enough that we can judge that our current record is JR's fault as much as anyone else..
Philosophically he devalues the OL and LB positions. That’s clear from his drafting record. Early on in his tenure this didn’t matter because he inherited one of the best OL’s in the league and a defense with a legitimate MLB (Pierce). Since that time he’s allowed both aspects of the team to erode due to bad drafting and FA acquisitions, and here we are. It’s time to move on.
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He has proven to be a capable GM as evidenced by the fact that he had a huge hand in two Sb winning teams within the past decade. Yes, even the 07 team who people try and dilute his credit for. Did he get dumb at an age well before anyone should be questioning a loss of faculties? Or is it the more logical explanation.....that the draft is a crap shoot prone to luck and variance and that if you do this long enough you will have some dry periods. What’s going on with Ozzie newsome in Baltimore recently? How did bill polian do at the end in Indy when the Manning injury showed us just how much number 18 was covering up for some down offseasons. A few years ago John elway is the toast of the nfl. Now what’s up?
Firing Reese would be dumb. We have someone who is still relatively young that has shown an eye for talent and displayed the ability to compose rosters that sit under confetti in February, and we aren’t far removed from it. Pulling the plug because of a down few years would just be silly
And again some of the disrespect shown for a guy (bum ass bum?) who has done so much for us is sickening. Especially given what he represents to a lot of people
It's dumb not to question a GM that has had drafted badly for 7 years, hasn't found one UDFA who can contribute since Cruz and had to be handed a check for 200 million in order to have a creditable defense. This past off-season, he had a team seriously lacking in speed on offense and added a slug tight end at a multi million dollar contract and a slug wideout with fork sticking out of his back to another multmillion dollar contract. He's a bad GM and should be gone.
Wheeler?
save me the dog whistle crap
its about results
I'd back up the armored car for Shaw. I love how he organizes and runs his team...
you want Giants pride restored? and Power football? hire Shaw
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He has proven to be a capable GM as evidenced by the fact that he had a huge hand in two Sb winning teams within the past decade. Yes, even the 07 team who people try and dilute his credit for. Did he get dumb at an age well before anyone should be questioning a loss of faculties? Or is it the more logical explanation.....that the draft is a crap shoot prone to luck and variance and that if you do this long enough you will have some dry periods. What’s going on with Ozzie newsome in Baltimore recently? How did bill polian do at the end in Indy when the Manning injury showed us just how much number 18 was covering up for some down offseasons. A few years ago John elway is the toast of the nfl. Now what’s up?
Firing Reese would be dumb. We have someone who is still relatively young that has shown an eye for talent and displayed the ability to compose rosters that sit under confetti in February, and we aren’t far removed from it. Pulling the plug because of a down few years would just be silly
And again some of the disrespect shown for a guy (bum ass bum?) who has done so much for us is sickening. Especially given what he represents to a lot of people
It's dumb not to question a GM that has had drafted badly for 7 years, hasn't found one UDFA who can contribute since Cruz and had to be handed a check for 200 million in order to have a creditable defense. This past off-season, he had a team seriously lacking in speed on offense and added a slug tight end at a multi million dollar contract and a slug wideout with fork sticking out of his back to another multmillion dollar contract. He's a bad GM and should be gone.
Wheeler?
lets have Wheeler play a few games before we put him in Canton
he needs a year in an NFL weightroom and coaching, but he looks good
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Especially given what he represents to a lot of people
You really need to stop with this race nonsense. People explained WHY this has nothing to do with race a million times and you continually bring it up. Nobody should be immune to criticism and it’s rather disappointing that you seem to think that Reese should be treated with kids gloves because he’s black. We get it. Many people look up to him and it’s great that he’s been able to possible open doors for other minorities. But that should have zero influence on how people feel about the job he’s done or whether the team decides to keep him or let him go.
such a stupid arguement
save me the dog whistle crap
its about results
I'd back up the armored car for Shaw. I love how he organizes and runs his team...
you want Giants pride restored? and Power football? hire Shaw
I think highly of Shaw, too. But by all accounts, Shaw's wife loves Palo Alto. And that is a big deal...so unless the Giants move west... ; )
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How abt Giants Dan doesn’t want him fired. He has ignored the Oline and Linebacker position almost completely. I’ve never seen a GM do that before. I know tow first round picks Pugh and Flowers but both were out of desperation. Reese should be gone and Mcadoo right behind him.
It's a myth that Reese ignored the Oline. He has been drafting and signing free agents Olinemen for years. Don't confuse ineffective with ignoring. Since forever the Giants prefer to sign free agents Linebackers instead of drafting them in the top 3 rounds. Reese is a good GM and the team would be foolish to fire him.
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to coach this team, with a NEW GM
save me the dog whistle crap
its about results
I'd back up the armored car for Shaw. I love how he organizes and runs his team...
you want Giants pride restored? and Power football? hire Shaw
I think highly of Shaw, too. But by all accounts, Shaw's wife loves Palo Alto. And that is a big deal...so unless the Giants move west... ; )
I dont blame her, but if you make him an offer he cant refuse?
Imagine with working with OBJ, it would be perfect
Reese doesnt win in 2007 or 2011 with our Ernies pick of Manning
Jerry Reese is a 54 year old man. Unless he has some really earl onset Alzheimer’s I’m gonna let his track record and the fact that someone else would hire him in 5 seconds speak more loudly than some fans lack of understanding for this process. There has never been a gm
Who has ever lived that has not had a down period if he did it long enough
I would be surprised if Gettleman was not on the speed dial to replace Reese
In Gettleman’s four seasons, the Panthers were 40-23-1 and won three consecutive NFC South titles.
Bad(mediocre ) drafts. His forte was supposedly able to pick hidden gems in late rounds.
Record over 10 years, at best .500+/-.
He had his run ... time to go.
I doubt the NFL will be knocking down his door with offers.
agree Reese 2007 was his best, but what about after?
and if Tyree doesnt make that catch, do we win?
who drafted the starting front 4 in 2007?
when does Reese get judged on his results?
I agree with you that he was a great director of personnel.. when he could focus solely on drafts.. we were getting studs in later rounds.. Tuck, Jacobs, Gibril Wilson.. but I doubt JR would want to be demoted to that position so he can concentrate of just the draft and players.. GM has many responsibilities.. and as seen by his record over the past 6 years he sucks at the GM job..
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It’s true Reese has his hands on the 11 team more than the 07 team, and it’s true accorsi deserves some credit for 07 too. But as I’m sure you realize, Reese didn’t just show up in 07. He was basically running Giants drafts for 4 years before that after being elevated to director of player personnel. He was being eased into being the next GM and the only reason it did not happen sooner is because the Giants had concerns that he wasn’t ready to be the public face (deal with the media etc), and they were probably right about that as he had his missteps early on (see how he handled petitgout in the media when pressed about his release). When it came to big picture decisions like the Eli deal the organization put their heads together and made those kinds of calls, but for the most part Reese was given free reign with the drafts for a few years before 07. This has been widely reported. And of course the 07 draft itself was one of the best one year impact drafts ever for a sb winner, even though it didn’t age out as an amazing haul
Reese doesnt win in 2007 or 2011 with our Ernies pick of Manning
Basically the top 15 players on the giants 2007 team came when Ernie was the GM..
Down stretch of late for sure. It happens in that position to everyone who is afforded the opportunity to do it long enough. Some gms are better than others and of course there is something to be said for having an eye for talent. But luck and variance also plays a big role. Anyone who tells you the draft is an exact science doesn’t know what they are talking about. A good GM can have a down run. At Reese’s age I have a tough time thinking he’s done
Down stretch of late for sure. It happens in that position to everyone who is afforded the opportunity to do it long enough. Some gms are better than others and of course there is something to be said for having an eye for talent. But luck and variance also plays a big role. Anyone who tells you the draft is an exact science doesn’t know what they are talking about. A good GM can have a down run. At Reese’s age I have a tough time thinking he’s done
stop defendinf Reese
he hired ross , makes the picks and is responsible for this team
we changed everything else already sir...take the blinders off
I also don’t buy that accorsi picked his successor in Reese. They wouldn’t allow him to pick a coach but they allow him to pick a gm? I’m sure he put in a good word
We have a 54 year old man who has his hands all over two Sb winners within the past decade and people are acting like parting with him is just a no brainer. He has earned the right to at least outlive the aging qb and inept head coach and see if he can get this back on track
I also don’t buy that accorsi picked his successor in Reese. They wouldn’t allow him to pick a coach but they allow him to pick a gm? I’m sure he put in a good word
I already talked about the points you mentioned in the earlier post that JR was a great director of Personnel.. May be the new GM can hire him as the Director of Personnel.. Reese sucks as the GM and has been sucking it pretty badly for over 6 years.. time to move on..
We have a 54 year old man who has his hands all over two Sb winners within the past decade and people are acting like parting with him is just a no brainer. He has earned the right to at least outlive the aging qb and inept head coach and see if he can get this back on track
Bahaha try this in business, I had a 6 year down period, do I get to keep my job? LUTZ
I have my doubts, sight unseen, buying that you can equate any success you’ve had in whatever your industry is to Reese
We have a 54 year old man who has his hands all over two Sb winners within the past decade and people are acting like parting with him is just a no brainer. He has earned the right to at least outlive the aging qb and inept head coach and see if he can get this back on track
He's been drafting terrible for years now. Beckham alone doesn't change that.
He got to outlast the HOF head coach. He doesn't get to outlast another HC, that was named HC with him in charge. 6 years is along time, especially in sports. He's had numerous chances to fix the problems, and has failed miserably for more then a half-decade straight. He had his chances and has been given an extremely long leash. It's over.
That Jerry was very lucky is evident in how badly he misunderstood the basics of football and league trends since then.
When varied posters like reddog and (I think Fatman is down with firing Reese) agree, that speaks volumes.
Harv83 is new...what does that indicate here?
Jerry Reese's addiction for certain types in early rounds (being very circumspect and polite here) has been evident for a long while and lost us 5 years R and D.
Also how did you just pull from your behind who Reese did or didn’t identify without having any access to the room. We know he was in a position of power but apparently had nothing to do with anything positive in that time
Also how did you just pull from your behind who Reese did or didn’t identify without having any access to the room. We know he was in a position of power but apparently had nothing to do with anything positive in that time
You don’t sound new. You sound pretty knowledgeable and likely posted here before under a different handle.
With 4 - 7 teams calling the next day
Good, lets hope it's a divisional rival so he can plow their team into the ground